Tuesday, March 16, 2010

Re: [Yasmin_discussions] cross modal

Roger

I followed up from your post, to Artsinteractive / Thill, and suggested the inclusion of Christa Sommerer & Laurent Mignonneau to the list of artists with patents.

Together they have created many works that are rooted in biology and artificial life.

>From their website:
In 1992 Sommerer and Mignonneau met at the Institute for New Media at the Staedelschule in Frankfurt where they teamed up and started their collaboration in the area of interactive computer installations. Mignonneau and Sommerer's artworks have been called "epoch making" (Toshiharu Itoh, NTT-ICC museum) for developing natural and intuitive interfaces and for often applying scientific principles such as artificial life, complexity and generative systems to their innovative interface designs.

Patent information I found:
http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20091119&CC=WO&NR=2009137856A1&KC=A1
http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20071115&CC=JP&NR=2007299434A&KC=A
http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20041118&CC=JP&NR=2004326188A&KC=A

Thanks again for the artsactive link, hadn't run into it before.

Travis

On 2010-03-13, at 4:44 AM, roger malina wrote:

> Ian
>
> well i was drinking red wine when i read your scotch influenced discussion
> with richard:
>
> There are a couple of things that Richard and I talked about over a scotch
> the other night
>
> 1. This dicusssion doesn't have a linear trajectory - in science we tend to
> work somewhat directionally - circularity might be initially interesting but
> in the end only raises issues and doesnt take us onwards - do you folk think
> 'onwards'?.
>
> 2. We see science contributing to the artistic world. Is the opposite
> happening?
>
> Ian
>
> a) on the non linear trajectory of yasmin discussions= indeed the open list
> discussion mode favors discursive
> modes rather than tightly reasoned argument= its more like a stone soup
> model, where each person
> contributes a stone and you end up with vegetable soup ( or rather
> ratatouille or bouillabaisse in this
> part of the world)
>
> b) re the question of science contributing to the art world versus art
> contributing to the science
> world= well thats the gauntlet !! as roy ascott famously said - in todays
> society it is science
> that is in trouble ( most people on the planet dont believe that science is
> reliable= check the
> stats on the theory of evolution and the minority of the planet that
> believes its a good
> reliable explanation !! roy encapsulated this with " ask not what science
> can do for art,
> ask what art can do for science"0
>
> perhaps using the cross-modal sensory discussion metaphor we should point
> out that
> art and science are both intrinsic parts of human culture and its not
> possible logically
> or philosophically to separate them.
>
> why are we interested in cognition and neurobiology as a science ? almost
> none of the
> universe has the kind of neuronal structures that humans have= ( most life
> is organised
> in different ways and most of the universe is non living) - so if we were
> running the universe
> had to decide which science to invest in, cognition and neurobiology would
> be one of the
> last= as these systems have almost no impact on the dominant processes in
> the universe=
> we are interested in them because human beings have these systems= we create
> art
> for human beings and we use science to understand the physical processes we
> us.
>
> more seriously (yes its half a bottle of wine now) art and science are
> carried out
> with different goals, methodologies and institutional structures= so the
> question
> you ask is at least socially meaningful.
>
> indeed science and technology have had a huge impact on the arts ( most
> importantly through the way that physics and quantum mechanics led to semi
> conductors led to the digal computer etc) and the are now numerous new art
> forms
> enabled by the digital revolution)( and the new bio arts are building on
> genetic
> science etc)
>
> the opposite is also happening with the work of artists influencing science
> and technology ( in methods, goals, approaches), robert thrill has a growing
> list of examples of patents filed by artists:
> http://www.artsactive.net/en/resources/patents/
> (I encourage yasminers to add to his list: "Robert Thill" <robert.thil lAT
> gmail.com>,
> and there are numerous examples of art science collaborations leading to
> scientific
> papers with the artists as co authors- the one i always like to cite is the
> work
> of david dunn and jim crutchfield on bio accoustic ecology
>
> http://www.acousticecology.org/science.html
>
> and i just started a twine with examples of scientific papers co authored
> by artists
> and scientists= send me additions to rmalina AT alum.mit.edu if you have a
> science paper
> co authored by an artist and scientist
>
> ian and richard= back to you and the wine hands over non linearily to the
> scotch
>
> roger
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