Tuesday, March 16, 2010

Re: [Yasmin_discussions] cross modal

On Mar 16, 2010, at 1:26 PM, Travis Kirton wrote:

> Roger
>
> I followed up from your post, to Artsinteractive / Thill, and
> suggested the inclusion of Christa Sommerer & Laurent Mignonneau to
> the list of artists with patents.
>
> Together they have created many works that are rooted in biology
> and artificial life.
>
>> From their website:
> In 1992 Sommerer and Mignonneau met at the Institute for New Media
> at the Staedelschule in Frankfurt where they teamed up and started
> their collaboration in the area of interactive computer
> installations. Mignonneau and Sommerer's artworks have been called
> "epoch making" (Toshiharu Itoh, NTT-ICC museum) for developing
> natural and intuitive interfaces and for often applying scientific
> principles such as artificial life, complexity and generative
> systems to their innovative interface designs.
>
> Patent information I found:
> http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?
> DB=EPODOC&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20091119&CC=WO&NR=20091
> 37856A1&KC=A1
> http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?
> DB=EPODOC&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20071115&CC=JP&NR=20072
> 99434A&KC=A
> http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?
> DB=EPODOC&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20041118&CC=JP&NR=20043
> 26188A&KC=A
>
> Thanks again for the artsactive link, hadn't run into it before.
>
> Travis
>
> On 2010-03-13, at 4:44 AM, roger malina wrote:
>
>> Ian
>>
>> well i was drinking red wine when i read your scotch influenced
>> discussion
>> with richard:
>>
>> There are a couple of things that Richard and I talked about over
>> a scotch
>> the other night
>>
>> 1. This dicusssion doesn't have a linear trajectory - in science
>> we tend to
>> work somewhat directionally - circularity might be initially
>> interesting but
>> in the end only raises issues and doesnt take us onwards - do you
>> folk think
>> 'onwards'?.
>>
>> 2. We see science contributing to the artistic world. Is the opposite
>> happening?
>>
>> Ian
>>
>> a) on the non linear trajectory of yasmin discussions= indeed the
>> open list
>> discussion mode favors discursive
>> modes rather than tightly reasoned argument= its more like a stone
>> soup
>> model, where each person
>> contributes a stone and you end up with vegetable soup ( or rather
>> ratatouille or bouillabaisse in this
>> part of the world)
>>
>> b) re the question of science contributing to the art world versus
>> art
>> contributing to the science
>> world= well thats the gauntlet !! as roy ascott famously said - in
>> todays
>> society it is science
>> that is in trouble ( most people on the planet dont believe that
>> science is
>> reliable= check the
>> stats on the theory of evolution and the minority of the planet that
>> believes its a good
>> reliable explanation !! roy encapsulated this with " ask not what
>> science
>> can do for art,
>> ask what art can do for science"0
>>
>> perhaps using the cross-modal sensory discussion metaphor we
>> should point
>> out that
>> art and science are both intrinsic parts of human culture and its not
>> possible logically
>> or philosophically to separate them.
>>
>> why are we interested in cognition and neurobiology as a science ?
>> almost
>> none of the
>> universe has the kind of neuronal structures that humans have=
>> ( most life
>> is organised
>> in different ways and most of the universe is non living) - so if
>> we were
>> running the universe
>> had to decide which science to invest in, cognition and
>> neurobiology would
>> be one of the
>> last= as these systems have almost no impact on the dominant
>> processes in
>> the universe=
>> we are interested in them because human beings have these systems=
>> we create
>> art
>> for human beings and we use science to understand the physical
>> processes we
>> us.
>>
>> more seriously (yes its half a bottle of wine now) art and science
>> are
>> carried out
>> with different goals, methodologies and institutional structures=
>> so the
>> question
>> you ask is at least socially meaningful.
>>
>> indeed science and technology have had a huge impact on the arts
>> ( most
>> importantly through the way that physics and quantum mechanics led
>> to semi
>> conductors led to the digal computer etc) and the are now numerous
>> new art
>> forms
>> enabled by the digital revolution)( and the new bio arts are
>> building on
>> genetic
>> science etc)
>>
>> the opposite is also happening with the work of artists
>> influencing science
>> and technology ( in methods, goals, approaches), robert thrill has
>> a growing
>> list of examples of patents filed by artists:
>> http://www.artsactive.net/en/resources/patents/
>> (I encourage yasminers to add to his list: "Robert Thill"
>> <robert.thil lAT
>> gmail.com>,
>> and there are numerous examples of art science collaborations
>> leading to
>> scientific
>> papers with the artists as co authors- the one i always like to
>> cite is the
>> work
>> of david dunn and jim crutchfield on bio accoustic ecology
>>
>> http://www.acousticecology.org/science.html
>>
>> and i just started a twine with examples of scientific papers co
>> authored
>> by artists
>> and scientists= send me additions to rmalina AT alum.mit.edu if
>> you have a
>> science paper
>> co authored by an artist and scientist
>>
>> ian and richard= back to you and the wine hands over non linearily
>> to the
>> scotch
>>
>> roger
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