Wednesday, March 17, 2010

Re: [Yasmin_discussions] cross modal

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On Mar 16, 2010, at 5:16 PM, Alicemary M. Sprickman wrote:

>
> On Mar 16, 2010, at 1:26 PM, Travis Kirton wrote:
>
>> Roger
>>
>> I followed up from your post, to Artsinteractive / Thill, and
>> suggested the inclusion of Christa Sommerer & Laurent Mignonneau
>> to the list of artists with patents.
>>
>> Together they have created many works that are rooted in biology
>> and artificial life.
>>
>>> From their website:
>> In 1992 Sommerer and Mignonneau met at the Institute for New Media
>> at the Staedelschule in Frankfurt where they teamed up and started
>> their collaboration in the area of interactive computer
>> installations. Mignonneau and Sommerer's artworks have been called
>> "epoch making" (Toshiharu Itoh, NTT-ICC museum) for developing
>> natural and intuitive interfaces and for often applying scientific
>> principles such as artificial life, complexity and generative
>> systems to their innovative interface designs.
>>
>> Patent information I found:
>> http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?
>> DB=EPODOC&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20091119&CC=WO&NR=2009
>> 137856A1&KC=A1
>> http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?
>> DB=EPODOC&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20071115&CC=JP&NR=2007
>> 299434A&KC=A
>> http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?
>> DB=EPODOC&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20041118&CC=JP&NR=2004
>> 326188A&KC=A
>>
>> Thanks again for the artsactive link, hadn't run into it before.
>>
>> Travis
>>
>> On 2010-03-13, at 4:44 AM, roger malina wrote:
>>
>>> Ian
>>>
>>> well i was drinking red wine when i read your scotch influenced
>>> discussion
>>> with richard:
>>>
>>> There are a couple of things that Richard and I talked about over
>>> a scotch
>>> the other night
>>>
>>> 1. This dicusssion doesn't have a linear trajectory - in science
>>> we tend to
>>> work somewhat directionally - circularity might be initially
>>> interesting but
>>> in the end only raises issues and doesnt take us onwards - do you
>>> folk think
>>> 'onwards'?.
>>>
>>> 2. We see science contributing to the artistic world. Is the
>>> opposite
>>> happening?
>>>
>>> Ian
>>>
>>> a) on the non linear trajectory of yasmin discussions= indeed the
>>> open list
>>> discussion mode favors discursive
>>> modes rather than tightly reasoned argument= its more like a
>>> stone soup
>>> model, where each person
>>> contributes a stone and you end up with vegetable soup ( or rather
>>> ratatouille or bouillabaisse in this
>>> part of the world)
>>>
>>> b) re the question of science contributing to the art world
>>> versus art
>>> contributing to the science
>>> world= well thats the gauntlet !! as roy ascott famously said -
>>> in todays
>>> society it is science
>>> that is in trouble ( most people on the planet dont believe that
>>> science is
>>> reliable= check the
>>> stats on the theory of evolution and the minority of the planet that
>>> believes its a good
>>> reliable explanation !! roy encapsulated this with " ask not what
>>> science
>>> can do for art,
>>> ask what art can do for science"0
>>>
>>> perhaps using the cross-modal sensory discussion metaphor we
>>> should point
>>> out that
>>> art and science are both intrinsic parts of human culture and its
>>> not
>>> possible logically
>>> or philosophically to separate them.
>>>
>>> why are we interested in cognition and neurobiology as a
>>> science ? almost
>>> none of the
>>> universe has the kind of neuronal structures that humans have=
>>> ( most life
>>> is organised
>>> in different ways and most of the universe is non living) - so if
>>> we were
>>> running the universe
>>> had to decide which science to invest in, cognition and
>>> neurobiology would
>>> be one of the
>>> last= as these systems have almost no impact on the dominant
>>> processes in
>>> the universe=
>>> we are interested in them because human beings have these
>>> systems= we create
>>> art
>>> for human beings and we use science to understand the physical
>>> processes we
>>> us.
>>>
>>> more seriously (yes its half a bottle of wine now) art and
>>> science are
>>> carried out
>>> with different goals, methodologies and institutional structures=
>>> so the
>>> question
>>> you ask is at least socially meaningful.
>>>
>>> indeed science and technology have had a huge impact on the arts
>>> ( most
>>> importantly through the way that physics and quantum mechanics
>>> led to semi
>>> conductors led to the digal computer etc) and the are now
>>> numerous new art
>>> forms
>>> enabled by the digital revolution)( and the new bio arts are
>>> building on
>>> genetic
>>> science etc)
>>>
>>> the opposite is also happening with the work of artists
>>> influencing science
>>> and technology ( in methods, goals, approaches), robert thrill
>>> has a growing
>>> list of examples of patents filed by artists:
>>> http://www.artsactive.net/en/resources/patents/
>>> (I encourage yasminers to add to his list: "Robert Thill"
>>> <robert.thil lAT
>>> gmail.com>,
>>> and there are numerous examples of art science collaborations
>>> leading to
>>> scientific
>>> papers with the artists as co authors- the one i always like to
>>> cite is the
>>> work
>>> of david dunn and jim crutchfield on bio accoustic ecology
>>>
>>> http://www.acousticecology.org/science.html
>>>
>>> and i just started a twine with examples of scientific papers co
>>> authored
>>> by artists
>>> and scientists= send me additions to rmalina AT alum.mit.edu if
>>> you have a
>>> science paper
>>> co authored by an artist and scientist
>>>
>>> ian and richard= back to you and the wine hands over non
>>> linearily to the
>>> scotch
>>>
>>> roger
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