Saturday, March 13, 2010

[Yasmin_discussions] cross modal


well i was drinking red wine when i read your scotch influenced discussion
with richard:

There are a couple of things that Richard and I talked about over a scotch
the other night

1. This dicusssion doesn't have a linear trajectory - in science we tend to
work somewhat directionally - circularity might be initially interesting but
in the end only raises issues and doesnt take us onwards - do you folk think

2. We see science contributing to the artistic world. Is the opposite


a) on the non linear trajectory of yasmin discussions= indeed the open list
discussion mode favors discursive
modes rather than tightly reasoned argument= its more like a stone soup
model, where each person
contributes a stone and you end up with vegetable soup ( or rather
ratatouille or bouillabaisse in this
part of the world)

b) re the question of science contributing to the art world versus art
contributing to the science
world= well thats the gauntlet !! as roy ascott famously said - in todays
society it is science
that is in trouble ( most people on the planet dont believe that science is
reliable= check the
stats on the theory of evolution and the minority of the planet that
believes its a good
reliable explanation !! roy encapsulated this with " ask not what science
can do for art,
ask what art can do for science"0

perhaps using the cross-modal sensory discussion metaphor we should point
out that
art and science are both intrinsic parts of human culture and its not
possible logically
or philosophically to separate them.

why are we interested in cognition and neurobiology as a science ? almost
none of the
universe has the kind of neuronal structures that humans have= ( most life
is organised
in different ways and most of the universe is non living) - so if we were
running the universe
had to decide which science to invest in, cognition and neurobiology would
be one of the
last= as these systems have almost no impact on the dominant processes in
the universe=
we are interested in them because human beings have these systems= we create
for human beings and we use science to understand the physical processes we

more seriously (yes its half a bottle of wine now) art and science are
carried out
with different goals, methodologies and institutional structures= so the
you ask is at least socially meaningful.

indeed science and technology have had a huge impact on the arts ( most
importantly through the way that physics and quantum mechanics led to semi
conductors led to the digal computer etc) and the are now numerous new art
enabled by the digital revolution)( and the new bio arts are building on
science etc)

the opposite is also happening with the work of artists influencing science
and technology ( in methods, goals, approaches), robert thrill has a growing
list of examples of patents filed by artists:
(I encourage yasminers to add to his list: "Robert Thill" <robert.thil lAT>,
and there are numerous examples of art science collaborations leading to
papers with the artists as co authors- the one i always like to cite is the
of david dunn and jim crutchfield on bio accoustic ecology

and i just started a twine with examples of scientific papers co authored
by artists
and scientists= send me additions to rmalina AT if you have a
science paper
co authored by an artist and scientist

ian and richard= back to you and the wine hands over non linearily to the

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