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<br> 1. ISEA 2022 BARCELONA (YASMIN DISCUSSIONS)
<br> 2. welcoming uncertainty and future pandemic- lets get to work
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<br>Hello,
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<br>My name is Andrea Garc?a, and i would like to share with you ISEA 2022
<br>BARCELONA call for submissions
<br>
<br>ISEA2022 Barcelona invites artists, designers, scholars, researchers,
<br>educators, innovators and creators to contribute to this growing discussion
<br>about our world of possibles ?not only opening up an unfinished world of
<br>futures, but also the possible presents and pasts? and to address it
<br>through following sub-themes:
<br>
<br>Humans and Non-humans
<br>Natures and Worlds
<br>Futures and Heritages
<br>Educations and Societies
<br>
<br><a href="https://isea2022.isea-international.org/submit-your-proposal/">https://isea2022.isea-international.org/submit-your-proposal/</a>
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<br>
<br>SUBMISSION DEADLINES
<br>
<br>- October 20th 2021
<br>Full and short papers
<br>Posters
<br>Panel discussions
<br>
<br>- October 22th 2021
<br>Artist Talks
<br>Institutional presentations
<br>Workshops
<br>Tutorials
<br>
<br>- October 30th 2021
<br>Artwork Proposals
<br>
<br>Best Regards,
<br>
<br>Andrea Garc?a
<br>Universtitat Oberta de Catalunya
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<br>Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] welcoming uncertainty and future
<br> pandemic- lets get to work
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<br>YASMINERS
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<br>
<br>In November 2021 the French consulate in san Francisco is sponsoring a
<br>hybrid seminar moderated by biologist Helen Berman.
<br>She is asking our community of practice questions that we would like to ask
<br>the panel- the topic is:
<br>
<br>T*he Arts and Sciences to Understand the Molecular Basis of Human Health
<br>and Disease*
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<br> The scientific community is asking for help of artscientists given the
<br>failure of anticipation and of reactivity to the pandemic.
<br>
<br>Panelist Ruth West has put on the list of questions:
<br>
<br>a) how can we welcome uncertainty and overcome our uncomfortableness often
<br>with uncertainty- how can we explain ideas of causality in complex systems ?
<br>
<br>
<br>SO WHAT QUESTION WOULD YOU LIKE TO ASK ?
<br>
<br>
<br>The panel will examine how different disciplines in arts and sciences
<br>converge to solve problems in biology and medicine. The panelists are
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>David Goodsell <a href="mailto:goodsell@scripps.edu">goodsell@scripps.edu</a> The Scripps Research Institute, leader
<br>in visualization of molecular processes involved in disease
<br>
<br>Alex McDowell <a href="mailto:alexmcdowell1@mac.com">alexmcdowell1@mac.com</a> School of Cinematic Arts University of
<br>Southern California, World Building and use of immersive media to
<br>understand biomedicine
<br>
<br>Roger Malina <a href="mailto:rxm116130@utdallas.edu">rxm116130@utdallas.edu</a> School of Arts, Technology and Emerging
<br>Communication, University of Texas, Dallas Paris born, ran a large group in
<br>Marseille for many years, co leads Leonardo OLATS in Paris
<br>
<br>Michael Nilges <a href="mailto:michael.nilges@pasteur.fr">michael.nilges@pasteur.fr</a> Institute Pasteur, Department of
<br>Structural Biology and Chemistry, Paris France , integrative methods for
<br>understanding biological processes (Visiting Professor UCSF 2011)
<br>
<br>Ruth West <a href="mailto:ruth.west@unt.edu">ruth.west@unt.edu</a> College of Arts and Design, College of
<br>Engineering, College of Arts and Sciences, University of North Texas,
<br>multidisciplinary approaches to problems in biology and medicine
<br>
<br>Helen Berman <a href="mailto:helen.berman@ucsf.edu">helen.berman@ucsf.edu</a> Rutgers University, USC and UCSF,
<br>Moderator
<br>
<br> *Notes*
<br>
<br>Luis Vuitton Moet Hennesey (LVMH) Science for Art Prize (Stanley Prusiner
<br>was a recipient in 1997.) Perhaps ask French Consulate to invite LVMH to
<br>panel
<br>
<br> this email from : <a href="mailto:rmalina@alum.mit.edu">rmalina@alum.mit.edu</a>
<br>
<br>Roger in Dallas, please phone/txt/ +15108532007 if urgent
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<br>yasminers
<br>our discussion list has gone quiet
<br>this article caught my attention
<br><a href="https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/10778004211042356">https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/10778004211042356</a>
<br>
<br>The Forest That Walks: Digital Fieldwork and Distributions of Site
<br>Jennifer Gabrys1 Abstract Walking is a practice that often centers
<br>humans as moving and experiencing subjects. Whether on solitary
<br>rambles or in collective social and political engagements, people are
<br>central to understanding places on the move. However, multiple
<br>organisms and environments are also involved in moving practices. This
<br>article decenters human movement to ask: How does the forest walk? In
<br>a time when forest sites might also be inaccessible to multiple people
<br>who are remote from forest locations, this article further considers
<br>how digital fieldwork becomes a way to tune into moving forests and
<br>the relations they activate and sustain. Digital technologies
<br>differently constitute and mobilize environments in ways that can have
<br>consequences for how forests and people move, and for how
<br>environmental change is configured and addressed.
<br>
<br><a href="https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/10778004211042356">https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/10778004211042356</a>
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<br>roger malina
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<br> 1. The illustrated principles of Nuovo Abitare (YASMIN DISCUSSIONS)
<br> 2. CFP - Piksel21 - November 18 - 21 (YASMIN DISCUSSIONS)
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<br>The illustrated principles of Nuovo Abitare
<br>
<br>Some time ago we gave a keynote presentation to Cumulus' Rome gathering
<br>called Design Cultures, about the principles of what we're calling Nuovo
<br>Abitare which, in our definition, is a substantial part of our contemporary
<br>condition, in which so many of our rights and freedoms depend on data and
<br>computation.
<br>
<br>The keynote became an article which you can find here:
<br>
<br><a href="https://xdxd-vs-xdxd.medium.com/the-illustrated-principles-of-nuovo-abitare-5f2e63bbb9fc">https://xdxd-vs-xdxd.medium.com/the-illustrated-principles-of-nuovo-abitare-5f2e63bbb9fc</a>
<br>
<br>We have described some principles for Nuovo Abitarre, and they are shown in
<br>the article through a series of practical projects that implement them in
<br>some way
<br>
<br>We would really like to open discussions about these definitions and
<br>principles, also because around October we will be opening the Nuovo
<br>Abitare Foundation in Rome, and there might be chances for collaboration if
<br>you're interested
<br>
<br>Thank you all for the kind attention
<br>Salvatore Iaconesi
<br>
<br>--
<br>Art is Open Source - <a href="https://www.artisopensource.net">https://www.artisopensource.net</a>
<br>Nuovo Abitare - <a href="https://abitare.xyz/">https://abitare.xyz/</a>
<br>Human Ecosystems Relazioni - <a href="https://www.he-r.it/">https://www.he-r.it/</a>
<br>Ubiquitous Commons - <a href="http://www.ubiquitouscommons.org">http://www.ubiquitouscommons.org</a>
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<br>Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] CFP - Piksel21 - November 18 - 21
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<br>Sorry for x-posting...
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<br>Piksel21
<br>November 18-21 2021
<br>Bergen, Norway
<br>
<br>Deadline September 1st
<br>Piksel21 is scheduled for November 18-21 2021.
<br>
<br>Dear friends,
<br>
<br>we are glad to announce the open call for projects to Piksel Festival
<br>2021 in the hope that the Covid-19 vaccinations makes it possible for
<br>some artists to travel in November when the festival takes place.
<br>
<br>We are aware that the vaccination is not evenly distributed in every
<br>country and therefore we will keep the hybrid format and do a double
<br>call.
<br>
<br>One is for artists who can travel to Bergen. Please check the rules to
<br>enter Norway here:
<br><a href="https://www.helsenorge.no/en/coronavirus/international-travels">https://www.helsenorge.no/en/coronavirus/international-travels</a> The
<br>rules will change in the next months.
<br>
<br>The other one is for artists (who can not travel to Bergen) whose
<br>artworks can be presented either virtually/online (Mozilla Hubs,
<br>PikselSavers, online concerts, presentations and workshops) or
<br>physically at the exhibition where the Piksel technical team will
<br>follow the artists instructions to setup the works.
<br>
<br>Please feel free to submit your projects to anyone of the open tracks:
<br>Presentations, workshops, concerts, PikselSavers and installations.
<br>
<br>Deadline is 1st of September.
<br>Please use the online submit form at: <a href="https://pretalx.com/piksel21/cfp">https://pretalx.com/piksel21/cfp</a>
<br>
<br>Piksel21 is supported by the Municipality of Bergen, Arts Council
<br>Norway, Vestland fylkeskommune and others.
<br>
<br>more info: <a href="http://www.piksel.no">www.piksel.no</a>
<br>
<br>Piksel is an international festival for electronic art and
<br>technological freedom. Part workshop, part festival, it is organised in
<br>Bergen, Norway, and involves participants from more than a dozen
<br>countries exchanging ideas, coding, presenting art and software
<br>projects, doing workshops, performances and discussions on the
<br>aesthetics and politics of art and free technologies.
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<br>Call for applications: 4 Assistant Professor posts in the Department of
<br>Digital Arts and Cinema at the University of Athens (NKUA)
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<br>The Department of Digital Arts and Cinema of National and Kapodistrian
<br>University of Athens (NKUA) was established in 2019 and its mission is to
<br>educate outstanding artists and professionals within the context of Art and
<br>Technology and more specifically in the fields of interactive arts,
<br>audiovisual arts and cinema in the digital age. The University is located in
<br>the island of Evia in the scenic Mount Dirfys, an hour away from the Athens
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<br>The Department of Digital Arts and Cinema of National and Kapodestrian
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<br>1) Film direction and cinematography (Assistant/Associate Professor)
<br><a href="https://www.dcarts.uoa.gr/anakoinoseis_kai_ekdiloseis/proboli_anakoinosis/pr">https://www.dcarts.uoa.gr/anakoinoseis_kai_ekdiloseis/proboli_anakoinosis/pr</a>
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<br>Makes me think of the questions raised by the artist Marija Bozinovska
<br>Jones:
<br>
<br>1) in her contribution to 'Playbour ? Work, Pleasure, Survival', a 2018
<br>exhibition at Furtherfield gallery in London
<br>(<a href="https://www.furtherfield.org/playbour-work-pleasure-survival/">https://www.furtherfield.org/playbour-work-pleasure-survival/</a>);
<br>
<br>2) in a related interview with Regine Debatty, ?Treebour: Do We Pay
<br>Trees Fairly For the Immaterial Labour They Perform For Us??, We Make
<br>Money Not Art, August 6, 2018
<br>(<a href="https://we-make-money-not-art.com/treebour-do-we-pay-trees-fairly-for-the-immaterial-labour-they-perform-for-us/">https://we-make-money-not-art.com/treebour-do-we-pay-trees-fairly-for-the-immaterial-labour-they-perform-for-us/</a>).
<br>
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<br>Her questions include: should we pay trees for the immaterial labour
<br>they perform for us?
<br>
<br>One issue for me would be: does the asking of such questions risk
<br>involving us in imposing (democratic?) political and legal strictures
<br>that are designed for humans onto trees and plants? In paying trees for
<br>their labour and giving plants the vote would we be maintaining and
<br>reinforcing the modernist ontological separation between human and
<br>nonhuman or destablizing it?
<br>
<br>Gary
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<br>Director of the Centre for Postdigital Cultures, Faculty of Arts & Humanities, Coventry University:
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<br>Latest:
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<br>Book (open access): A Stubborn Fury: How Writing Works in Elitist Britain:
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<br>Chapter (open access): ?Postdigital Politics?, in Cornelia Sollfrank, Shuhsa Niederberger and Felix Stalder, eds, Aesthetics of the Commons:
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<br>Video: 'Can We Unlearn Liberal Individualism: Gary Hall in Conversation with Carolina Rito About A Stubborn Fury: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CQiRCib_AU">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CQiRCib_AU</a>
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<br>Blog post: 'Combinatorial Books - Gathering Flowers', with Janneke Adema and Gabriela M?ndez Cota: <a href="https://copim.pubpub.org/pub/combinatorial-books-gathering-flowers-part-i/release/1">https://copim.pubpub.org/pub/combinatorial-books-gathering-flowers-part-i/release/1</a>
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<br>On 07/06/2021 18:13, YASMIN DISCUSSIONS wrote:
<br>> yasminers
<br>>
<br>> at the end of June Jonathon Keats will be working with us on
<br>> his ideas for how to re-invent democracy to confront the coming
<br>> disasters provoked by climate change- Jonathon's provocation is to figure
<br>> out how to give the plants a vote
<br>>
<br>> the US government has just appointed a new Science Director of the Department
<br>> of Energy : <a href="https://www.aip.org/fyi/2021/soil-scientist-asmeret-berhe-picked-lead-doe-science-office">https://www.aip.org/fyi/2021/soil-scientist-asmeret-berhe-picked-lead-doe-science-office</a>
<br>>
<br>> She recently published Ten simple rules for building an antiracist lab
<br>> V. Bala Chaudhary ,Asmeret Asefaw Berhe Published: October 1, 2020
<br>> <a href="https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pcbi.1008210">https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pcbi.1008210</a>
<br>>
<br>> Perhaps we could develop ten simple rules for combating the anti-plant
<br>> ism that developed
<br>> during the pandemic. Millions of plants died in empty offices during
<br>> lockdowns because
<br>> no-one watered them.
<br>>
<br>> Is survival of plant species is as important in our ecologies as the
<br>> survival and well being of humans ?
<br>> then they are stakeholders and should have a vote ? or maybe we need
<br>> to redesign democracy itself
<br>> since it has failed to prevent disastrous climate change ?
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<br>> Roger in Dallas, please phone/txt/ +15108532007 if urgent
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<br>Dear all,
<br>what better way for me to participate to this current discussion by
<br>presenting the next step of the Antitesi project.
<br>
<br><a href="https://www.he-r.it/antitesi-wisteria-furibonda-and-nuovo-abitare/">https://www.he-r.it/antitesi-wisteria-furibonda-and-nuovo-abitare/</a>
<br>
<br>We will be presenting the new artwork and research on june 15th in Turin
<br>and online (if you are around I'd like to see you!), trying to establish
<br>new human and nonhuman ecosystems and cosmologies of thought, emotion,
<br>sensibility, solidarity, collaboration.
<br>
<br>What better way to start than from a love story between an AI and a plant,
<br>and from an open source toolkit which will allow any plant to become an
<br>Antitesi.
<br>
<br>Let's keep the discussion active and if you'd like to participate in any
<br>way: we'd love to!
<br>
<br>kind wishes
<br>Salvatore
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<br>*Nuovo Abitare - *<a href="https://abitare.xyz/">https://abitare.xyz/</a>
<br>*Human Ecosystems Relazioni* - <a href="https://www.he-r.it/">https://www.he-r.it/</a>
<br>*Ubiquitous Commons *- <a href="http://www.ubiquitouscommons.org">http://www.ubiquitouscommons.org</a>
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<br>Dear Roger, Yasminers
<br>
<br>Thanks for inviting me to the discussion.
<br>
<br>Firstly, Stefano Mancuso points out that intelligence (or his controversial
<br>neurobiology term),
<br>of the plants doesn't 'need' a brain. Of course, we need to define what
<br>intelligence is, and I think of 'a capacity to adapt to a novel situation'.
<br>
<br>Regarding architecture, I have been taught as an apprentice in a studio in
<br>the late 1980's and early 1990's (I dont' practice anymore since 2011) in
<br>Switzerland. I mention it because there was(is) a school focusing on
<br>organizing circulations/life around humans beings versus an architecture as
<br>'graphic design' or 'sculpture', and was taught with the former (based on
<br>humanistic approach). So, I believe in an architecture which organize the
<br>life of (humans?) beings, or to push it forward in organizing life at this
<br>point of our terrestrial biosphere. That would be my metaphor.
<br>
<br>In term of hybrid examples of architecture and plants/nature/organisms, the
<br>first example relates to the possibilities to includes more green/trees in
<br>the construction. In Milan there is an attempt by Boeri's architect to
<br>includes trees
<br><a href="https://www.stefanoboeriarchitetti.net/project/bosco-verticale/">https://www.stefanoboeriarchitetti.net/project/bosco-verticale/</a>
<br>Still, I think this is a kind of marketing coup. Let's not forget that
<br>architecture serves the power/politics. Instead I would look into his other
<br>project in China <a href="https://createdigital.org.au/china-city-home-trees-people/">https://createdigital.org.au/china-city-home-trees-people/</a>
<br>
<br>Another take would be from <a href="https://www.xtuarchitects.com/eco-city">https://www.xtuarchitects.com/eco-city</a>, which I
<br>find fascinating because they specifically speak of the city as an
<br>ecosystem (pushing it the idea of possible worms based architecture eating
<br>trash). Such ecosystem doesn't focus on sensors and 'smart' cities (which I
<br>find problematic in term of control/surveillance).
<br>
<br>Recycling urban architecture is another take like the well known New York
<br>high line <a href="https://www.thehighline.org/">https://www.thehighline.org/</a> or the MFO park in Z?rich (a former
<br>Machine factory)
<br><a href="https://www.ignant.com/2020/02/13/mfo-park-zurich-switzerland/">https://www.ignant.com/2020/02/13/mfo-park-zurich-switzerland/</a>
<br>
<br>Moreover, the story of botanical gardens are of particular interest because
<br>they relate to a period
<br>of colonization from the European continent, and is problematic in term of
<br>decolonization. During the latest Laser Nomad
<br><a href="https://ubqtlab.org/2021/04/22/laser-nomad-bellinzona-utopia-of-the-landscape/">https://ubqtlab.org/2021/04/22/laser-nomad-bellinzona-utopia-of-the-landscape/</a>
<br>we were in the park of an old Villa in Switzerland, where the trees were
<br>imported, and we started to discuss the idea of Nomad trees.
<br>
<br>All the very best
<br>LUca
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>Le ven. 4 juin 2021 ? 11:01, <<a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions-request@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions-request@ntlab.gr</a>> a ?crit :
<br>
<br>>
<br>> luca
<br>> thanks for your self intro which is in the middle of this email
<br>>
<br>> thanks for your email to yasmin which ties in both to asamina's argument:
<br>> I wonder if it would be useful to the plants thought experiment to
<br>> think in terms of analogies between (city/urban/civic) plants
<br>> (planted) and residents 'settled', by way of housing as a metaphor
<br>> (through architecture).
<br>>
<br>> yes indeed- if you look at the surface of the earth from 1000
<br>> kilometers and study what is going on in a 1000 year time scale (
<br>> thanks ramon guardans)
<br>> both plants and buildings grow, die, spread, and behave in very
<br>> similar manners. both need food ( cement) and water , both have
<br>> limited
<br>> life spans- and like ants the ant hills of cities and the ants are
<br>> intermingled- but i dont think the DNA of plants metastasises with
<br>> the DNA
<br>> of buildings even though buildings have a lot of microbiome just like
<br>> humans and plants do-or maybe they do
<br>>
<br>> your email also then addresses jonathon keats ideas on giving the
<br>> right of votes to plants ( if they have free will as pointed out
<br>> earlier)-
<br>> i append the outline of the book you recommended by Stefano Mancuso
<br>> The Revolutionary Genius of Plants: A New Understanding of Plant
<br>> Intelligence and Behavior
<br>>
<br>> roger malina
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Hi YASMINERS
<br>> from luc forcucci
<br>>
<br>> Thanks for your message. In this context, my interest in exploring the
<br>> idea of plants intelligence, in particular following Stefano Mancuso
<br>>
<br>> <a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/35721619-the-revolutionary-genius-of-plants">https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/35721619-the-revolutionary-genius-of-plants</a>
<br>>
<br>> Here is my introduction:
<br>>
<br>> Luca Forcucci?s research observes the perceptive properties of sound,
<br>> space and memory. The field of possibilities of the experience is
<br>> explored as the artwork. In this context, he is interested in
<br>> perception, subjectivity and consciousness.
<br>>
<br>> Luca achieved a PhD in Sonic Arts from De Montfort University and a MA
<br>> in Sonic Arts from Queens University of Belfast. He studied
<br>> electroacoustic music with the Swiss composer Rainer Boesch in Geneva,
<br>> and was produced by Al Comet, former member of The Young Gods. Luca
<br>> has an extensive background in architecture informed by twenty five
<br>> years of professional practice.
<br>>
<br>> His research was further conducted at University of the Arts of
<br>> Berlin, INA/GRM Paris (Institut National d?Audiovisuel / Groupe de
<br>> Recherches Musicales) while investigating at Biblioth?que Nationale de
<br>> France Franc?ois Mitt?rand. At the Brain Mind Institute in Switzerland
<br>> he explored cognitive neuroscience of out-of-body experiences. He
<br>> regularly lectures in Universities (University of Limerick, USP Sa?o
<br>> Paulo, PUC Rio de Janeiro, UFRJ Rio de Janeiro, URC California, UdK
<br>> Berlin, ZhDK Z?rich, EPFL Lausanne, SIVA Shanghai).
<br>>
<br>> all the best
<br>>
<br>> Luca
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> here is the stefani mancuso
<br>>
<br>> The Revolutionary Genius of Plants: A New Understanding of Plant
<br>> Intelligence and Behavior
<br>>
<br>> by Stefano Mancuso
<br>> 4.07 ? Rating details ? 1,245 ratings ? 197 reviews
<br>> Do plants have intelligence? Do they have memory? Are they better
<br>> problem solvers than people? Plant Revolution?a fascinating,
<br>> paradigm-shifting work that upends everything you thought you knew
<br>> about plants?makes a compelling scientific case that these and other
<br>> astonishing ideas are all true.
<br>>
<br>> Plants make up eighty percent of the weight of all living things on
<br>> earth, and yet it is easy to forget that these innocuous, beautiful
<br>> organisms are responsible for not only the air that lets us survive,
<br>> but for many of our modern comforts: our medicine, food supply, even
<br>> our fossil fuels.
<br>>
<br>> On the forefront of uncovering the essential truths about plants,
<br>> world-renowned scientist Stefano Mancuso reveals the surprisingly
<br>> sophisticated ability of plants to innovate, to remember, and to
<br>> learn, offering us creative solutions to the most vexing technological
<br>> and ecological problems that face us today. Despite not having brains
<br>> or central nervous systems, plants perceive their surroundings with an
<br>> even greater sensitivity than animals. They efficiently explore and
<br>> react promptly to potentially damaging external events thanks to their
<br>> cooperative, shared systems; without any central command centers, they
<br>> are able to remember prior catastrophic events and to actively adapt
<br>> to new ones.
<br>>
<br>> Every page of Plant Revolution bubbles over with Stefano Mancuso?s
<br>> infectious love for plants and for the eye-opening research that makes
<br>> it more and more clear how remarkable our fellow inhabitants on this
<br>> planet really are. In his hands, complicated science is wonderfully
<br>> accessible, and he has loaded the book with gorgeous photographs that
<br>> make for an unforgettable reading experience. Plant Revolution opens
<br>> the doors to a new understanding of life on earth. (less)
<br>>
<br>> Le jeu. 27 mai 2021 ? 17:15, roger malina <<a href="mailto:rmalina@alum.mit.edu">rmalina@alum.mit.edu</a>> a ?crit :
<br>> >
<br>> > luca
<br>> > thanks for signilng up to the yasmiln discussion list
<br>> > maybe you could send an email introducing yourself
<br>> > and your interests
<br>> >
<br>> > i am copying this to jonathon keats who will be the lead
<br>> > provocateur for the discussion
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> > Roger in Dallas, please phone/txt/ +15108532007 if urgent
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> --
<br>> Luca Forcucci
<br>>
<br>> New Podcast
<br>> Matt Black / Coldcut-Ninja Tunes
<br>>
<br>> Next Events
<br>> 17.5.2021 Universitat Polytecnica de Valencia / Spain (Lecture + Concert)
<br>> 18.5.2021 Universitat Polytecnica de Valencia / Spain (Art & Science Talk)
<br>>
<br>> New Albums
<br>> De Rerum Natura
<br>> Released by LFO Editions
<br>>
<br>> New Paper
<br>> Deep Listening to the Amazon Rainforest through Sonic Architectures
<br>>
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<br>> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2021 21:56:55 +0200
<br>> From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <<a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>>
<br>> To: <a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>
<br>> Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Luca Forcucci-- can you help us on
<br>> living architectures thinking? never mind the revolutionary genius
<br>> of
<br>> plants
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<br>> and dont forget, plants are, like humans sensitive,
<br>> and regarding the links I posted yesterday, like to repeat this entry:
<br>>
<br>> there is also this exceptional project / film by Zheng Bo about having sex
<br>> with plants he called Pteridophilia, 2016 ongoing,
<br>> connecting spores and sperms
<br>> see here >
<br>> <a href="https://www.art-werk.ch/de/journal/zheng-bo-how-can-we-think-beyond-human-exceptionalism">https://www.art-werk.ch/de/journal/zheng-bo-how-can-we-think-beyond-human-exceptionalism</a>
<br>> <
<br>> <a href="https://www.art-werk.ch/de/journal/zheng-bo-how-can-we-think-beyond-human-exceptionalism">https://www.art-werk.ch/de/journal/zheng-bo-how-can-we-think-beyond-human-exceptionalism</a>
<br>> >
<br>> his blog > <a href="http://zhengbo.org">http://zhengbo.org</a> <<a href="http://zhengbo.org/">http://zhengbo.org/</a>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Klaus Hu / Berlin
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> > On May 30, 2021, at 9:53 PM, YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <
<br>> <a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>> wrote:
<br>> >
<br>> > luca
<br>> > thanks for your self intro which is in the middle of this email
<br>> >
<br>> > thanks for your email to yasmin which ties in both to asamina's argument:
<br>> > I wonder if it would be useful to the plants thought experiment to
<br>> > think in terms of analogies between (city/urban/civic) plants
<br>> > (planted) and residents 'settled', by way of housing as a metaphor
<br>> > (through architecture).
<br>> >
<br>> > yes indeed- if you look at the surface of the earth from 1000
<br>> > kilometers and study what is going on in a 1000 year time scale (
<br>> > thanks ramon guardans)
<br>> > both plants and buildings grow, die, spread, and behave in very
<br>> > similar manners. both need food ( cement) and water , both have
<br>> > limited
<br>> > life spans- and like ants the ant hills of cities and the ants are
<br>> > intermingled- but i dont think the DNA of plants metastasises with
<br>> > the DNA
<br>> > of buildings even though buildings have a lot of microbiome just like
<br>> > humans and plants do-or maybe they do
<br>> >
<br>> > your email also then addresses jonathon keats ideas on giving the
<br>> > right of votes to plants ( if they have free will as pointed out
<br>> > earlier)-
<br>> > i append the outline of the book you recommended by Stefano Mancuso
<br>> > The Revolutionary Genius of Plants: A New Understanding of Plant
<br>> > Intelligence and Behavior
<br>> >
<br>> > roger malina
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> > Hi YASMINERS
<br>> > from luc forcucci
<br>> >
<br>> > Thanks for your message. In this context, my interest in exploring the
<br>> > idea of plants intelligence, in particular following Stefano Mancuso
<br>> >
<br>> <a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/35721619-the-revolutionary-genius-of-plants">https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/35721619-the-revolutionary-genius-of-plants</a>
<br>> >
<br>> > Here is my introduction:
<br>> >
<br>> > Luca Forcucci?s research observes the perceptive properties of sound,
<br>> > space and memory. The field of possibilities of the experience is
<br>> > explored as the artwork. In this context, he is interested in
<br>> > perception, subjectivity and consciousness.
<br>> >
<br>> > Luca achieved a PhD in Sonic Arts from De Montfort University and a MA
<br>> > in Sonic Arts from Queens University of Belfast. He studied
<br>> > electroacoustic music with the Swiss composer Rainer Boesch in Geneva,
<br>> > and was produced by Al Comet, former member of The Young Gods. Luca
<br>> > has an extensive background in architecture informed by twenty five
<br>> > years of professional practice.
<br>> >
<br>> > His research was further conducted at University of the Arts of
<br>> > Berlin, INA/GRM Paris (Institut National d?Audiovisuel / Groupe de
<br>> > Recherches Musicales) while investigating at Biblioth?que Nationale de
<br>> > France Franc?ois Mitt?rand. At the Brain Mind Institute in Switzerland
<br>> > he explored cognitive neuroscience of out-of-body experiences. He
<br>> > regularly lectures in Universities (University of Limerick, USP Sa?o
<br>> > Paulo, PUC Rio de Janeiro, UFRJ Rio de Janeiro, URC California, UdK
<br>> > Berlin, ZhDK Z?rich, EPFL Lausanne, SIVA Shanghai).
<br>> >
<br>> > all the best
<br>> >
<br>> > Luca
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> > here is the stefani mancuso
<br>> >
<br>> > The Revolutionary Genius of Plants: A New Understanding of Plant
<br>> > Intelligence and Behavior
<br>> >
<br>> > by Stefano Mancuso
<br>> > 4.07 ? Rating details ? 1,245 ratings ? 197 reviews
<br>> > Do plants have intelligence? Do they have memory? Are they better
<br>> > problem solvers than people? Plant Revolution?a fascinating,
<br>> > paradigm-shifting work that upends everything you thought you knew
<br>> > about plants?makes a compelling scientific case that these and other
<br>> > astonishing ideas are all true.
<br>> >
<br>> > Plants make up eighty percent of the weight of all living things on
<br>> > earth, and yet it is easy to forget that these innocuous, beautiful
<br>> > organisms are responsible for not only the air that lets us survive,
<br>> > but for many of our modern comforts: our medicine, food supply, even
<br>> > our fossil fuels.
<br>> >
<br>> > On the forefront of uncovering the essential truths about plants,
<br>> > world-renowned scientist Stefano Mancuso reveals the surprisingly
<br>> > sophisticated ability of plants to innovate, to remember, and to
<br>> > learn, offering us creative solutions to the most vexing technological
<br>> > and ecological problems that face us today. Despite not having brains
<br>> > or central nervous systems, plants perceive their surroundings with an
<br>> > even greater sensitivity than animals. They efficiently explore and
<br>> > react promptly to potentially damaging external events thanks to their
<br>> > cooperative, shared systems; without any central command centers, they
<br>> > are able to remember prior catastrophic events and to actively adapt
<br>> > to new ones.
<br>> >
<br>> > Every page of Plant Revolution bubbles over with Stefano Mancuso?s
<br>> > infectious love for plants and for the eye-opening research that makes
<br>> > it more and more clear how remarkable our fellow inhabitants on this
<br>> > planet really are. In his hands, complicated science is wonderfully
<br>> > accessible, and he has loaded the book with gorgeous photographs that
<br>> > make for an unforgettable reading experience. Plant Revolution opens
<br>> > the doors to a new understanding of life on earth. (less)
<br>> >
<br>> > Le jeu. 27 mai 2021 ? 17:15, roger malina <<a href="mailto:rmalina@alum.mit.edu">rmalina@alum.mit.edu</a>> a
<br>> ?crit :
<br>> >>
<br>> >> luca
<br>> >> thanks for signilng up to the yasmiln discussion list
<br>> >> maybe you could send an email introducing yourself
<br>> >> and your interests
<br>> >>
<br>> >> i am copying this to jonathon keats who will be the lead
<br>> >> provocateur for the discussion
<br>> >>
<br>> >>
<br>> >> Roger in Dallas, please phone/txt/ +15108532007 if urgent
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> > --
<br>> > Luca Forcucci
<br>> >
<br>> > New Podcast
<br>> > Matt Black / Coldcut-Ninja Tunes
<br>> >
<br>> > Next Events
<br>> > 17.5.2021 Universitat Polytecnica de Valencia / Spain (Lecture + Concert)
<br>> > 18.5.2021 Universitat Polytecnica de Valencia / Spain (Art & Science
<br>> Talk)
<br>> >
<br>> > New Albums
<br>> > De Rerum Natura
<br>> > Released by LFO Editions
<br>> >
<br>> > New Paper
<br>> > Deep Listening to the Amazon Rainforest through Sonic Architectures
<br>> >
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<br>*Luca Forcucci <<a href="https://linktr.ee/lucaforcucci">https://linktr.ee/lucaforcucci</a>>*
<br>
<br>*New Podcast*
<br>Matt Black / Coldcut-Ninja Tunes <<a href="http://www.ubqtlab.org">http://www.ubqtlab.org</a>>
<br>
<br>*Next Events*
<br>17.5.2021 Universitat Polytecnica de Valencia / Spain (Lecture + Concert)
<br>18.5.2021 Universitat Polytecnica de Valencia / Spain (Art & Science Talk)
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<br>
<br><<a href="https://ubqtlab.org/">https://ubqtlab.org/</a>>
<br>*New Albums*
<br>De Rerum Natura
<br><<a href="https://lucaforcucci.bandcamp.com/album/de-rerum-natura">https://lucaforcucci.bandcamp.com/album/de-rerum-natura</a>>
<br>Released by LFO Editions
<br><<a href="https://lucaforcucci.bandcamp.com/album/de-rerum-natura">https://lucaforcucci.bandcamp.com/album/de-rerum-natura</a>>
<br>
<br>*New Book Chapter*
<br>Sonic Imagination: Body, Visual Mental Imagery, and Nomadism
<br><<a href="https://www.springer.com/gp/book/9783030725068#aboutBook">https://www.springer.com/gp/book/9783030725068#aboutBook</a>>
<br>
<br>*New Paper*
<br>Deep Listening to the Amazon Rainforest through Sonic Architectures
<br><<a href="https://www.mitpressjournals.org/doi/abs/10.1162/lmj_a_01090?mobileUi=0">https://www.mitpressjournals.org/doi/abs/10.1162/lmj_a_01090?mobileUi=0</a>>
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<br>
<br><<a href="https://thewrong.org/voices-in-the-ether">https://thewrong.org/voices-in-the-ether</a>>
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<br>yasminers
<br>
<br>at the end of June Jonathon Keats will be working with us on
<br>his ideas for how to re-invent democracy to confront the coming
<br>disasters provoked by climate change- Jonathon's provocation is to figure
<br>out how to give the plants a vote
<br>
<br>the US government has just appointed a new Science Director of the Department
<br>of Energy : <a href="https://www.aip.org/fyi/2021/soil-scientist-asmeret-berhe-picked-lead-doe-science-office">https://www.aip.org/fyi/2021/soil-scientist-asmeret-berhe-picked-lead-doe-science-office</a>
<br>
<br>She recently published Ten simple rules for building an antiracist lab
<br>V. Bala Chaudhary ,Asmeret Asefaw Berhe Published: October 1, 2020
<br><a href="https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pcbi.1008210">https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pcbi.1008210</a>
<br>
<br>Perhaps we could develop ten simple rules for combating the anti-plant
<br>ism that developed
<br>during the pandemic. Millions of plants died in empty offices during
<br>lockdowns because
<br>no-one watered them.
<br>
<br>Is survival of plant species is as important in our ecologies as the
<br>survival and well being of humans ?
<br>then they are stakeholders and should have a vote ? or maybe we need
<br>to redesign democracy itself
<br>since it has failed to prevent disastrous climate change ?
<br>
<br>Roger in Dallas, please phone/txt/ +15108532007 if urgent
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<br>yasminers
<br>for those of you who hate email diarrhoea every morning
<br>you can find the digest of the yasmin discussions at
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<br>
<br>you will find jonathan keats post pandemic provocation at
<br>
<br>THE PHYTODEMOCRACY INITIATIVE:An Interspecies Voting Platform To
<br>Survey The Political Perspectives Of Plants
<br>By Jonathon Keats <a href="https://tumamoc.arizona.edu/people/jonathon-keats">https://tumamoc.arizona.edu/people/jonathon-keats</a>
<br>
<br>and
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<br><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_um8VqoEh2X7ksR2k1HDDTeTvflUOVHZTIdmmivpwLc/edit?usp=sharing">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_um8VqoEh2X7ksR2k1HDDTeTvflUOVHZTIdmmivpwLc/edit?usp=sharing</a>
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<br>Roger Malina
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<br> 1. Re: asamina kaniari challenges yasminers to think about
<br> living architectures (YASMIN DISCUSSIONS)
<br> 2. Fwd: asamina kaniari challenges yasminers to think about
<br> living architectures (YASMIN DISCUSSIONS)
<br> 3. Luca Forcucci-- can you help us on living architectures
<br> thinking? never mind the revolutionary genius of plants
<br> (YASMIN DISCUSSIONS)
<br> 4. Re: Luca Forcucci-- can you help us on living architectures
<br> thinking? never mind the revolutionary genius of plants
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<br>Thanks for the elements.
<br>
<br>Unfortunately, many links in Net_Music_Weekly: John Lifton are dead, as
<br>well as in other references (video/youtube account deleted) of this work.
<br>I could not find any elements in what is visible of such "proof" or rather
<br>suggestion. I think the element "it responds to the environment" is way too
<br>basic to provide something close to free will.
<br>For instance, water boils when one heats it enough; or the ball falls and
<br>then rebounds when one drops it. Do liquids and mechanic exhibit free will ?
<br>In free will, there should be at least two elements of choice, which are
<br>equally or arbitrarily choosable and one is chosen repeatedly (eg., unlike
<br>a stochastic movement) or the result of a thought (a *modus ponens* at
<br>least). In computer science it's something *not deterministic* as well as *not
<br>random*. I also emphasize that random does not mean *uniform distribution*.
<br>
<br>I was rather asking for elements from the side of science.
<br>
<br>Mathieu P
<br>
<br>
<br>Le lun. 31 mai 2021 ? 18:31, YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <<a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>>
<br>a ?crit :
<br>
<br>> In 1973 John Lifton first exhibited 'Green Music' at the Computer Arts
<br>> Society exhibition 'Event One' in London. It was subsequently widely
<br>> exhibited in the UK and USA. The interactive artwork demonstrated that
<br>> plants were aware (conscious) of their environment and could quickly
<br>> respond to changes:
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> <a href="http://turbulence.org/networked_music_review/2007/12/13/net_music_weekly-john-lifton/">http://turbulence.org/networked_music_review/2007/12/13/net_music_weekly-john-lifton/</a>
<br>>
<br>> ALSO - on the subject of 'Free Will'. My favourite description comes from
<br>> Gerd Sommerhoff in his ' The Abstract Characteristics of Living Systems'
<br>> (1969) where he suggests that free will is an illusion generated by a
<br>> relatively simple organism (human) to a seeming infinitely complex
<br>> environment (the universe) in order to preserve its sanity.
<br>> --
<br>> Paul Brown
<br>> <a href="mailto:paul@paul-brown.com">paul@paul-brown.com</a>
<br>>
<br>> On Mon, 31 May 2021, at 5:12 AM, YASMIN DISCUSSIONS wrote:
<br>> > Before anything, do plants have free will ? How is it demonstrated ?
<br>> Which
<br>> > elements of its biology support this ?
<br>> > And then, how will this free will be expressed and in particular the vote
<br>> > decision ?
<br>> >
<br>> > Mathieu Pr?vot
<br>> > Paris
<br>> >
<br>> > Le dim. 30 mai 2021 ? 20:58, YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <
<br>> <a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>>
<br>> > a ?crit :
<br>> >
<br>> > > or give plants a voting right (the most radical request so far)
<br>> > > or
<br>> > > implement the biosphere into the declaration of rights, constitution or
<br>> > > fundamental / basic law (as in Bhutan)
<br>> > >
<br>> > > Klaus Hu
<br>> > > Studio Klaus Hu / Berlin
<br>> > >
<br>> > > > On May 29, 2021, at 8:42 PM, YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <
<br>> > > <a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>> wrote:
<br>> > > >
<br>> > > > asamina and yasminers
<br>> > > >
<br>> > > > asamina thanks about your incitation of using 'living architecture'
<br>> > > > methods- yasminers her email is included
<br>> > > > and find out how to complete a tax return concerned with underground
<br>> > > > biological activity though a new as a living biological space in
<br>> > > > democratic deficit.
<br>> > > >
<br>> > > > we hope you are 'polling' the plants in your neighborhood as a first
<br>> > > step to
<br>> > > > helping them to vote in your next city election-- recently i have
<br>> been
<br>> > > > visiting 'decorative' plants and gardens in dallas
<br>> > > > manicured lawns and plants with every leaf designed by humans. Are
<br>> > > > urban gardens a help or a hindrance to
<br>> > > > making the plant world happier ? or both.
<br>> > > >
<br>> > > > i note that the nation state is an irrelevant 'scale' for
<br>> intervention
<br>> > > > on climate change ( see the ideas of ramon guardans
<br>> > > > and nina czegledy)- we need global scales and neighborhood scales-
<br>> > > > satellites give us a sense of global climate
<br>> > > > change and by looking in your neighborhood you get a sense of local
<br>> > > > changes( eg increased flooding in many
<br>> > > > neighborhoods)- hence jonathon keats provocation to poll your local
<br>> > > plants
<br>> > > >
<br>> > > > after we finish the plant polling over the next few weeks Jonathon
<br>> > > > Keats will lead the next steps in our
<br>> > > > yasmin discussions- but for now yasminers are invited to observe and
<br>> > > > notice whether their local plants
<br>> > > > are feeling well or not and report back. Once we have the plant
<br>> > > > opinion polls we can step forward.
<br>> > > >
<br>> > > > Roger Malina
<br>> > > >
<br>> > > >
<br>> > > > On Sat, May 29, 2021 at 5:19 AM Assimina Kaniari
<br>> > > > <<a href="mailto:assimina.kaniari@gmail.com">assimina.kaniari@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
<br>> > > >>
<br>> > > >> Dear Roger and Nina and Jonathan,
<br>> > > >>
<br>> > > >> I wonder if it would be useful to the plants thought experiment to
<br>> > > think in terms of analogies between (city/urban/civic) plants
<br>> (planted) and
<br>> > > residents 'settled', by way of housing as a metaphor (through
<br>> > > architecture). Building 'houses' which grow in a vertical manner (just
<br>> as
<br>> > > city growth in modern cities) resembles the way plants grow
<br>> (vertically-yet
<br>> > > without following rules of perspective, as Hockney has written about
<br>> trees).
<br>> > > >> I always found interesting Kader Attia's discussion of modernism and
<br>> > > mass architecture housing in France (and his work revisiting Le
<br>> Corbusier's
<br>> > > ideal city as couscous at Tate).
<br>> > > >>
<br>> > > >> Suzanne Anker has discussed how plants sense and feel (by drawing
<br>> on M.
<br>> > > Marder's Plant thinking: a philosophy of vegetal life in her
<br>> discussion of
<br>> > > her work Astroculture looking at links between speculative and real and
<br>> > > historical conditions of plant growth (a terrarium as a space
<br>> experiment in
<br>> > > 0 gravity as a cabinet of curiosity) to think about plants, science and
<br>> > > culture from the perspective of plants and ?how above ground and
<br>> > > underground environments appear to plants'..
<br>> > > >> <a href="http://suzanneanker.com/wp-content/uploads/02.pdf">http://suzanneanker.com/wp-content/uploads/02.pdf</a>
<br>> > > >>
<br>> > >
<br>> <a href="https://www.leonardo.info/review/2017/09/review-of-institutional-critique-to-hospitality-and-open-science-singularity-and">https://www.leonardo.info/review/2017/09/review-of-institutional-critique-to-hospitality-and-open-science-singularity-and</a>
<br>> > > >>
<br>> > > >> This way of thinking about plants the living physicality of plants,
<br>> > > their 'architecture' and survival patterns is indeed a thought
<br>> metaphor for
<br>> > > a rethinking of a 'living' architecture (not only in terms of the
<br>> people
<br>> > > that it hosts, like a biblical arc) but perhaps more in the sense of an
<br>> > > expanded field (taking on board plant vision and growth as a living and
<br>> > > real metaphor) just as Rosalind Krauss talked about the blurring of
<br>> > > boundaries in the art object and 'sculpture' against the 'expanded
<br>> field'
<br>> > > also through photography in dialogue with architecture many years back
<br>> > > looking at static and dry structures (is the work what we encounter on
<br>> the
<br>> > > surface or what is also underneath?). How can we account for the
<br>> messiness
<br>> > > and fluidity of water (waste) but if it is also something that we
<br>> produce
<br>> > > perhaps we should also have a payback from the profits of its
<br>> management
<br>> > > -as a tax return concerned with underground biological activity though
<br>> a
<br>> > > new as a living biological space in democratic deficit.
<br>> > > >>
<br>> > > >> Plants have roots which extend deep down in the soil (often fed and
<br>> > > watered by sewers) but are encountered (from an anthropocentric view)
<br>> at
<br>> > > street level (as part of the city topography, as perspectival
<br>> additions) as
<br>> > > elements of the horizon.
<br>> > > >> Their growth by taking on board an expanded field leads also to a
<br>> > > different thinking about more inclusive ways of participation in the
<br>> > > profits of the new economy of waste as a plant-building-civic thought
<br>> > > experiment. A
<br>> > > >>
<br>> > > >>>>> I am currently 'polling" plants in dallas and so far have
<br>> discovered
<br>> > > >>>> that:
<br>> > > >>>>> a) i notice more unhappy people than unhappy plants- why cant
<br>> dallas
<br>> > > >>>>> provide all humans a minimum annual income-
<br>> > > >>>>> as they do to plants who are watered and clipped and planted by
<br>> the
<br>> > > >>>>> city for free.
<br>> > > >>>>> b) i dont know how to know whether a plant is 'happy' and my son
<br>> > > >>>>> xavier said i was projecting
<br>> > > >>>>> on plants things that are desirable to humans ( eg happiness)
<br>> instead
<br>> > > >>>>> of asking plants what THEY desire
<br>> > > >>>>>
<br>> > > >>>>> If anyone would like to help us organise this discussion contact
<br>> nina
<br>> > > >>>> and I
<br>> > > >>>>> via rmalina@ <a href="http://alum.mit.edu">alum.mit.edu</a> and <a href="mailto:czegledyn@gmail.com">czegledyn@gmail.com</a>
<br>> > > >>
<br>> > > >>
<br>> > > >> --
<br>> > > >>
<br>> > > >> Assimina Kaniari, D.Phil Oxford, M.Phil Cambridge.
<br>> > > >>
<br>> > > >> Assistant Professor, Art History, Athens School of Fine Arts.
<br>> > > >>
<br>> > > >> <a href="https://www.leonardo.info/led/4685">https://www.leonardo.info/led/4685</a>
<br>> > > >>
<br>> > > >> <a href="http://www.asfa.gr/assimina-kaniari">http://www.asfa.gr/assimina-kaniari</a>
<br>> > > >>
<br>> > > >> Publications
<br>> > > >>
<br>> > > >> Acts of Seeing Artists, Scientists and the History of the Visual : A
<br>> > > Volume Dedicated to Martin Kemp
<br>> > > >>
<br>> > > >> Assimina Kaniari, Marina Wallace, Martin Kemp
<br>> > > >>
<br>> > > >> Institutional Critique to Hospitality: Bio Art Practice Now. A
<br>> critical
<br>> > > anthology
<br>> > > >>
<br>> > > >> Assimina Kaniari (editor)
<br>> > > >>
<br>> > > >> Grigori Publications
<br>> > > >>
<br>> > > >> 2017
<br>> > > >>
<br>> > > >> <a href="http://suzanneanker.com/wp-content/uploads/02.pdf">http://suzanneanker.com/wp-content/uploads/02.pdf</a>
<br>> > > >>
<br>> > > >>
<br>> > >
<br>> <a href="https://www.leonardo.info/review/2017/09/review-of-institutional-critique-to-hospitality-and-open-science-singularity-and">https://www.leonardo.info/review/2017/09/review-of-institutional-critique-to-hospitality-and-open-science-singularity-and</a>
<br>> > > >>
<br>> > > >> Review of Susan Merril Squier's Epigenetic Landscapes: Drawings as
<br>> > > Metaphor, Leonardo.
<br>> > > >>
<br>> > > >>
<br>> > >
<br>> <a href="https://www.leonardo.info/review/2020/08/epigenetic-landscapes-drawings-as-metaphor">https://www.leonardo.info/review/2020/08/epigenetic-landscapes-drawings-as-metaphor</a>
<br>> > > >
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<br> yasminers to think about living architectures
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<br>there is also this exceptional project / film by Zheng Bo about having sex with plants he called Pteridophilia, 2016 ongoing,
<br>connecting spores and sperms
<br>see here > <a href="https://www.art-werk.ch/de/journal/zheng-bo-how-can-we-think-beyond-human-exceptionalism">https://www.art-werk.ch/de/journal/zheng-bo-how-can-we-think-beyond-human-exceptionalism</a> <<a href="https://www.art-werk.ch/de/journal/zheng-bo-how-can-we-think-beyond-human-exceptionalism">https://www.art-werk.ch/de/journal/zheng-bo-how-can-we-think-beyond-human-exceptionalism</a>>
<br>his blog > <a href="http://zhengbo.org">http://zhengbo.org</a> <<a href="http://zhengbo.org/">http://zhengbo.org/</a>>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>> Begin forwarded message:
<br>>
<br>> From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <<a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>>
<br>> Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] asamina kaniari challenges yasminers to think about living architectures
<br>> Date: May 30, 2021 at 9:12:33 PM GMT+2
<br>> To: <a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>
<br>> Reply-To: <a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>
<br>>
<br>> Before anything, do plants have free will ? How is it demonstrated ? Which
<br>> elements of its biology support this ?
<br>> And then, how will this free will be expressed and in particular the vote
<br>> decision ?
<br>>
<br>> Mathieu Pr?vot
<br>> Paris
<br>>
<br>> Le dim. 30 mai 2021 ? 20:58, YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <<a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>>
<br>> a ?crit :
<br>>
<br>>> or give plants a voting right (the most radical request so far)
<br>>> or
<br>>> implement the biosphere into the declaration of rights, constitution or
<br>>> fundamental / basic law (as in Bhutan)
<br>>>
<br>>> Klaus Hu
<br>>> Studio Klaus Hu / Berlin
<br>>>
<br>>>> On May 29, 2021, at 8:42 PM, YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <
<br>>> <a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>> wrote:
<br>>>>
<br>>>> asamina and yasminers
<br>>>>
<br>>>> asamina thanks about your incitation of using 'living architecture'
<br>>>> methods- yasminers her email is included
<br>>>> and find out how to complete a tax return concerned with underground
<br>>>> biological activity though a new as a living biological space in
<br>>>> democratic deficit.
<br>>>>
<br>>>> we hope you are 'polling' the plants in your neighborhood as a first
<br>>> step to
<br>>>> helping them to vote in your next city election-- recently i have been
<br>>>> visiting 'decorative' plants and gardens in dallas
<br>>>> manicured lawns and plants with every leaf designed by humans. Are
<br>>>> urban gardens a help or a hindrance to
<br>>>> making the plant world happier ? or both.
<br>>>>
<br>>>> i note that the nation state is an irrelevant 'scale' for intervention
<br>>>> on climate change ( see the ideas of ramon guardans
<br>>>> and nina czegledy)- we need global scales and neighborhood scales-
<br>>>> satellites give us a sense of global climate
<br>>>> change and by looking in your neighborhood you get a sense of local
<br>>>> changes( eg increased flooding in many
<br>>>> neighborhoods)- hence jonathon keats provocation to poll your local
<br>>> plants
<br>>>>
<br>>>> after we finish the plant polling over the next few weeks Jonathon
<br>>>> Keats will lead the next steps in our
<br>>>> yasmin discussions- but for now yasminers are invited to observe and
<br>>>> notice whether their local plants
<br>>>> are feeling well or not and report back. Once we have the plant
<br>>>> opinion polls we can step forward.
<br>>>>
<br>>>> Roger Malina
<br>>>>
<br>>>>
<br>>>> On Sat, May 29, 2021 at 5:19 AM Assimina Kaniari
<br>>>> <<a href="mailto:assimina.kaniari@gmail.com">assimina.kaniari@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
<br>>>>>
<br>>>>> Dear Roger and Nina and Jonathan,
<br>>>>>
<br>>>>> I wonder if it would be useful to the plants thought experiment to
<br>>> think in terms of analogies between (city/urban/civic) plants (planted) and
<br>>> residents 'settled', by way of housing as a metaphor (through
<br>>> architecture). Building 'houses' which grow in a vertical manner (just as
<br>>> city growth in modern cities) resembles the way plants grow (vertically-yet
<br>>> without following rules of perspective, as Hockney has written about trees).
<br>>>>> I always found interesting Kader Attia's discussion of modernism and
<br>>> mass architecture housing in France (and his work revisiting Le Corbusier's
<br>>> ideal city as couscous at Tate).
<br>>>>>
<br>>>>> Suzanne Anker has discussed how plants sense and feel (by drawing on M.
<br>>> Marder's Plant thinking: a philosophy of vegetal life in her discussion of
<br>>> her work Astroculture looking at links between speculative and real and
<br>>> historical conditions of plant growth (a terrarium as a space experiment in
<br>>> 0 gravity as a cabinet of curiosity) to think about plants, science and
<br>>> culture from the perspective of plants and ?how above ground and
<br>>> underground environments appear to plants'..
<br>>>>> <a href="http://suzanneanker.com/wp-content/uploads/02.pdf">http://suzanneanker.com/wp-content/uploads/02.pdf</a>
<br>>>>>
<br>>> <a href="https://www.leonardo.info/review/2017/09/review-of-institutional-critique-to-hospitality-and-open-science-singularity-and">https://www.leonardo.info/review/2017/09/review-of-institutional-critique-to-hospitality-and-open-science-singularity-and</a>
<br>>>>>
<br>>>>> This way of thinking about plants the living physicality of plants,
<br>>> their 'architecture' and survival patterns is indeed a thought metaphor for
<br>>> a rethinking of a 'living' architecture (not only in terms of the people
<br>>> that it hosts, like a biblical arc) but perhaps more in the sense of an
<br>>> expanded field (taking on board plant vision and growth as a living and
<br>>> real metaphor) just as Rosalind Krauss talked about the blurring of
<br>>> boundaries in the art object and 'sculpture' against the 'expanded field'
<br>>> also through photography in dialogue with architecture many years back
<br>>> looking at static and dry structures (is the work what we encounter on the
<br>>> surface or what is also underneath?). How can we account for the messiness
<br>>> and fluidity of water (waste) but if it is also something that we produce
<br>>> perhaps we should also have a payback from the profits of its management
<br>>> -as a tax return concerned with underground biological activity though a
<br>>> new as a living biological space in democratic deficit.
<br>>>>>
<br>>>>> Plants have roots which extend deep down in the soil (often fed and
<br>>> watered by sewers) but are encountered (from an anthropocentric view) at
<br>>> street level (as part of the city topography, as perspectival additions) as
<br>>> elements of the horizon.
<br>>>>> Their growth by taking on board an expanded field leads also to a
<br>>> different thinking about more inclusive ways of participation in the
<br>>> profits of the new economy of waste as a plant-building-civic thought
<br>>> experiment. A
<br>>>>>
<br>>>>>>>> I am currently 'polling" plants in dallas and so far have discovered
<br>>>>>>> that:
<br>>>>>>>> a) i notice more unhappy people than unhappy plants- why cant dallas
<br>>>>>>>> provide all humans a minimum annual income-
<br>>>>>>>> as they do to plants who are watered and clipped and planted by the
<br>>>>>>>> city for free.
<br>>>>>>>> b) i dont know how to know whether a plant is 'happy' and my son
<br>>>>>>>> xavier said i was projecting
<br>>>>>>>> on plants things that are desirable to humans ( eg happiness) instead
<br>>>>>>>> of asking plants what THEY desire
<br>>>>>>>>
<br>>>>>>>> If anyone would like to help us organise this discussion contact nina
<br>>>>>>> and I
<br>>>>>>>> via rmalina@ <a href="http://alum.mit.edu">alum.mit.edu</a> and <a href="mailto:czegledyn@gmail.com">czegledyn@gmail.com</a>
<br>>>>>
<br>>>>>
<br>>>>> --
<br>>>>>
<br>>>>> Assimina Kaniari, D.Phil Oxford, M.Phil Cambridge.
<br>>>>>
<br>>>>> Assistant Professor, Art History, Athens School of Fine Arts.
<br>>>>>
<br>>>>> <a href="https://www.leonardo.info/led/4685">https://www.leonardo.info/led/4685</a>
<br>>>>>
<br>>>>> <a href="http://www.asfa.gr/assimina-kaniari">http://www.asfa.gr/assimina-kaniari</a>
<br>>>>>
<br>>>>> Publications
<br>>>>>
<br>>>>> Acts of Seeing Artists, Scientists and the History of the Visual : A
<br>>> Volume Dedicated to Martin Kemp
<br>>>>>
<br>>>>> Assimina Kaniari, Marina Wallace, Martin Kemp
<br>>>>>
<br>>>>> Institutional Critique to Hospitality: Bio Art Practice Now. A critical
<br>>> anthology
<br>>>>>
<br>>>>> Assimina Kaniari (editor)
<br>>>>>
<br>>>>> Grigori Publications
<br>>>>>
<br>>>>> 2017
<br>>>>>
<br>>>>> <a href="http://suzanneanker.com/wp-content/uploads/02.pdf">http://suzanneanker.com/wp-content/uploads/02.pdf</a>
<br>>>>>
<br>>>>>
<br>>> <a href="https://www.leonardo.info/review/2017/09/review-of-institutional-critique-to-hospitality-and-open-science-singularity-and">https://www.leonardo.info/review/2017/09/review-of-institutional-critique-to-hospitality-and-open-science-singularity-and</a>
<br>>>>>
<br>>>>> Review of Susan Merril Squier's Epigenetic Landscapes: Drawings as
<br>>> Metaphor, Leonardo.
<br>>>>>
<br>>>>>
<br>>> <a href="https://www.leonardo.info/review/2020/08/epigenetic-landscapes-drawings-as-metaphor">https://www.leonardo.info/review/2020/08/epigenetic-landscapes-drawings-as-metaphor</a>
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<br>Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] Luca Forcucci-- can you help us on
<br> living architectures thinking? never mind the revolutionary genius of
<br> plants
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<br>luca
<br>thanks for your self intro which is in the middle of this email
<br>
<br>thanks for your email to yasmin which ties in both to asamina's argument:
<br>I wonder if it would be useful to the plants thought experiment to
<br>think in terms of analogies between (city/urban/civic) plants
<br>(planted) and residents 'settled', by way of housing as a metaphor
<br>(through architecture).
<br>
<br>yes indeed- if you look at the surface of the earth from 1000
<br>kilometers and study what is going on in a 1000 year time scale (
<br>thanks ramon guardans)
<br>both plants and buildings grow, die, spread, and behave in very
<br>similar manners. both need food ( cement) and water , both have
<br>limited
<br>life spans- and like ants the ant hills of cities and the ants are
<br>intermingled- but i dont think the DNA of plants metastasises with
<br>the DNA
<br>of buildings even though buildings have a lot of microbiome just like
<br>humans and plants do-or maybe they do
<br>
<br>your email also then addresses jonathon keats ideas on giving the
<br>right of votes to plants ( if they have free will as pointed out
<br>earlier)-
<br>i append the outline of the book you recommended by Stefano Mancuso
<br>The Revolutionary Genius of Plants: A New Understanding of Plant
<br>Intelligence and Behavior
<br>
<br>roger malina
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>Hi YASMINERS
<br>from luc forcucci
<br>
<br>Thanks for your message. In this context, my interest in exploring the
<br>idea of plants intelligence, in particular following Stefano Mancuso
<br><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/35721619-the-revolutionary-genius-of-plants">https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/35721619-the-revolutionary-genius-of-plants</a>
<br>
<br>Here is my introduction:
<br>
<br>Luca Forcucci?s research observes the perceptive properties of sound,
<br>space and memory. The field of possibilities of the experience is
<br>explored as the artwork. In this context, he is interested in
<br>perception, subjectivity and consciousness.
<br>
<br>Luca achieved a PhD in Sonic Arts from De Montfort University and a MA
<br>in Sonic Arts from Queens University of Belfast. He studied
<br>electroacoustic music with the Swiss composer Rainer Boesch in Geneva,
<br>and was produced by Al Comet, former member of The Young Gods. Luca
<br>has an extensive background in architecture informed by twenty five
<br>years of professional practice.
<br>
<br>His research was further conducted at University of the Arts of
<br>Berlin, INA/GRM Paris (Institut National d?Audiovisuel / Groupe de
<br>Recherches Musicales) while investigating at Biblioth?que Nationale de
<br>France Franc?ois Mitt?rand. At the Brain Mind Institute in Switzerland
<br>he explored cognitive neuroscience of out-of-body experiences. He
<br>regularly lectures in Universities (University of Limerick, USP Sa?o
<br>Paulo, PUC Rio de Janeiro, UFRJ Rio de Janeiro, URC California, UdK
<br>Berlin, ZhDK Z?rich, EPFL Lausanne, SIVA Shanghai).
<br>
<br>all the best
<br>
<br>Luca
<br>
<br>
<br>here is the stefani mancuso
<br>
<br>The Revolutionary Genius of Plants: A New Understanding of Plant
<br>Intelligence and Behavior
<br>
<br>by Stefano Mancuso
<br> 4.07 ? Rating details ? 1,245 ratings ? 197 reviews
<br>Do plants have intelligence? Do they have memory? Are they better
<br>problem solvers than people? Plant Revolution?a fascinating,
<br>paradigm-shifting work that upends everything you thought you knew
<br>about plants?makes a compelling scientific case that these and other
<br>astonishing ideas are all true.
<br>
<br>Plants make up eighty percent of the weight of all living things on
<br>earth, and yet it is easy to forget that these innocuous, beautiful
<br>organisms are responsible for not only the air that lets us survive,
<br>but for many of our modern comforts: our medicine, food supply, even
<br>our fossil fuels.
<br>
<br>On the forefront of uncovering the essential truths about plants,
<br>world-renowned scientist Stefano Mancuso reveals the surprisingly
<br>sophisticated ability of plants to innovate, to remember, and to
<br>learn, offering us creative solutions to the most vexing technological
<br>and ecological problems that face us today. Despite not having brains
<br>or central nervous systems, plants perceive their surroundings with an
<br>even greater sensitivity than animals. They efficiently explore and
<br>react promptly to potentially damaging external events thanks to their
<br>cooperative, shared systems; without any central command centers, they
<br>are able to remember prior catastrophic events and to actively adapt
<br>to new ones.
<br>
<br>Every page of Plant Revolution bubbles over with Stefano Mancuso?s
<br>infectious love for plants and for the eye-opening research that makes
<br>it more and more clear how remarkable our fellow inhabitants on this
<br>planet really are. In his hands, complicated science is wonderfully
<br>accessible, and he has loaded the book with gorgeous photographs that
<br>make for an unforgettable reading experience. Plant Revolution opens
<br>the doors to a new understanding of life on earth. (less)
<br>
<br>Le jeu. 27 mai 2021 ? 17:15, roger malina <<a href="mailto:rmalina@alum.mit.edu">rmalina@alum.mit.edu</a>> a ?crit :
<br>>
<br>> luca
<br>> thanks for signilng up to the yasmiln discussion list
<br>> maybe you could send an email introducing yourself
<br>> and your interests
<br>>
<br>> i am copying this to jonathon keats who will be the lead
<br>> provocateur for the discussion
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Roger in Dallas, please phone/txt/ +15108532007 if urgent
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>--
<br>Luca Forcucci
<br>
<br>New Podcast
<br>Matt Black / Coldcut-Ninja Tunes
<br>
<br>Next Events
<br>17.5.2021 Universitat Polytecnica de Valencia / Spain (Lecture + Concert)
<br>18.5.2021 Universitat Polytecnica de Valencia / Spain (Art & Science Talk)
<br>
<br>New Albums
<br>De Rerum Natura
<br>Released by LFO Editions
<br>
<br>New Paper
<br>Deep Listening to the Amazon Rainforest through Sonic Architectures
<br>
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<br>Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2021 21:56:55 +0200
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<br>To: <a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>
<br>Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Luca Forcucci-- can you help us on
<br> living architectures thinking? never mind the revolutionary genius of
<br> plants
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<br>and dont forget, plants are, like humans sensitive,
<br>and regarding the links I posted yesterday, like to repeat this entry:
<br>
<br>there is also this exceptional project / film by Zheng Bo about having sex with plants he called Pteridophilia, 2016 ongoing,
<br>connecting spores and sperms
<br>see here > <a href="https://www.art-werk.ch/de/journal/zheng-bo-how-can-we-think-beyond-human-exceptionalism">https://www.art-werk.ch/de/journal/zheng-bo-how-can-we-think-beyond-human-exceptionalism</a> <<a href="https://www.art-werk.ch/de/journal/zheng-bo-how-can-we-think-beyond-human-exceptionalism">https://www.art-werk.ch/de/journal/zheng-bo-how-can-we-think-beyond-human-exceptionalism</a>>
<br>his blog > <a href="http://zhengbo.org">http://zhengbo.org</a> <<a href="http://zhengbo.org/">http://zhengbo.org/</a>>
<br>
<br>
<br>Klaus Hu / Berlin
<br>
<br>
<br>> On May 30, 2021, at 9:53 PM, YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <<a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>> wrote:
<br>>
<br>> luca
<br>> thanks for your self intro which is in the middle of this email
<br>>
<br>> thanks for your email to yasmin which ties in both to asamina's argument:
<br>> I wonder if it would be useful to the plants thought experiment to
<br>> think in terms of analogies between (city/urban/civic) plants
<br>> (planted) and residents 'settled', by way of housing as a metaphor
<br>> (through architecture).
<br>>
<br>> yes indeed- if you look at the surface of the earth from 1000
<br>> kilometers and study what is going on in a 1000 year time scale (
<br>> thanks ramon guardans)
<br>> both plants and buildings grow, die, spread, and behave in very
<br>> similar manners. both need food ( cement) and water , both have
<br>> limited
<br>> life spans- and like ants the ant hills of cities and the ants are
<br>> intermingled- but i dont think the DNA of plants metastasises with
<br>> the DNA
<br>> of buildings even though buildings have a lot of microbiome just like
<br>> humans and plants do-or maybe they do
<br>>
<br>> your email also then addresses jonathon keats ideas on giving the
<br>> right of votes to plants ( if they have free will as pointed out
<br>> earlier)-
<br>> i append the outline of the book you recommended by Stefano Mancuso
<br>> The Revolutionary Genius of Plants: A New Understanding of Plant
<br>> Intelligence and Behavior
<br>>
<br>> roger malina
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Hi YASMINERS
<br>> from luc forcucci
<br>>
<br>> Thanks for your message. In this context, my interest in exploring the
<br>> idea of plants intelligence, in particular following Stefano Mancuso
<br>> <a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/35721619-the-revolutionary-genius-of-plants">https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/35721619-the-revolutionary-genius-of-plants</a>
<br>>
<br>> Here is my introduction:
<br>>
<br>> Luca Forcucci?s research observes the perceptive properties of sound,
<br>> space and memory. The field of possibilities of the experience is
<br>> explored as the artwork. In this context, he is interested in
<br>> perception, subjectivity and consciousness.
<br>>
<br>> Luca achieved a PhD in Sonic Arts from De Montfort University and a MA
<br>> in Sonic Arts from Queens University of Belfast. He studied
<br>> electroacoustic music with the Swiss composer Rainer Boesch in Geneva,
<br>> and was produced by Al Comet, former member of The Young Gods. Luca
<br>> has an extensive background in architecture informed by twenty five
<br>> years of professional practice.
<br>>
<br>> His research was further conducted at University of the Arts of
<br>> Berlin, INA/GRM Paris (Institut National d?Audiovisuel / Groupe de
<br>> Recherches Musicales) while investigating at Biblioth?que Nationale de
<br>> France Franc?ois Mitt?rand. At the Brain Mind Institute in Switzerland
<br>> he explored cognitive neuroscience of out-of-body experiences. He
<br>> regularly lectures in Universities (University of Limerick, USP Sa?o
<br>> Paulo, PUC Rio de Janeiro, UFRJ Rio de Janeiro, URC California, UdK
<br>> Berlin, ZhDK Z?rich, EPFL Lausanne, SIVA Shanghai).
<br>>
<br>> all the best
<br>>
<br>> Luca
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> here is the stefani mancuso
<br>>
<br>> The Revolutionary Genius of Plants: A New Understanding of Plant
<br>> Intelligence and Behavior
<br>>
<br>> by Stefano Mancuso
<br>> 4.07 ? Rating details ? 1,245 ratings ? 197 reviews
<br>> Do plants have intelligence? Do they have memory? Are they better
<br>> problem solvers than people? Plant Revolution?a fascinating,
<br>> paradigm-shifting work that upends everything you thought you knew
<br>> about plants?makes a compelling scientific case that these and other
<br>> astonishing ideas are all true.
<br>>
<br>> Plants make up eighty percent of the weight of all living things on
<br>> earth, and yet it is easy to forget that these innocuous, beautiful
<br>> organisms are responsible for not only the air that lets us survive,
<br>> but for many of our modern comforts: our medicine, food supply, even
<br>> our fossil fuels.
<br>>
<br>> On the forefront of uncovering the essential truths about plants,
<br>> world-renowned scientist Stefano Mancuso reveals the surprisingly
<br>> sophisticated ability of plants to innovate, to remember, and to
<br>> learn, offering us creative solutions to the most vexing technological
<br>> and ecological problems that face us today. Despite not having brains
<br>> or central nervous systems, plants perceive their surroundings with an
<br>> even greater sensitivity than animals. They efficiently explore and
<br>> react promptly to potentially damaging external events thanks to their
<br>> cooperative, shared systems; without any central command centers, they
<br>> are able to remember prior catastrophic events and to actively adapt
<br>> to new ones.
<br>>
<br>> Every page of Plant Revolution bubbles over with Stefano Mancuso?s
<br>> infectious love for plants and for the eye-opening research that makes
<br>> it more and more clear how remarkable our fellow inhabitants on this
<br>> planet really are. In his hands, complicated science is wonderfully
<br>> accessible, and he has loaded the book with gorgeous photographs that
<br>> make for an unforgettable reading experience. Plant Revolution opens
<br>> the doors to a new understanding of life on earth. (less)
<br>>
<br>> Le jeu. 27 mai 2021 ? 17:15, roger malina <<a href="mailto:rmalina@alum.mit.edu">rmalina@alum.mit.edu</a>> a ?crit :
<br>>>
<br>>> luca
<br>>> thanks for signilng up to the yasmiln discussion list
<br>>> maybe you could send an email introducing yourself
<br>>> and your interests
<br>>>
<br>>> i am copying this to jonathon keats who will be the lead
<br>>> provocateur for the discussion
<br>>>
<br>>>
<br>>> Roger in Dallas, please phone/txt/ +15108532007 if urgent
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> --
<br>> Luca Forcucci
<br>>
<br>> New Podcast
<br>> Matt Black / Coldcut-Ninja Tunes
<br>>
<br>> Next Events
<br>> 17.5.2021 Universitat Polytecnica de Valencia / Spain (Lecture + Concert)
<br>> 18.5.2021 Universitat Polytecnica de Valencia / Spain (Art & Science Talk)
<br>>
<br>> New Albums
<br>> De Rerum Natura
<br>> Released by LFO Editions
<br>>
<br>> New Paper
<br>> Deep Listening to the Amazon Rainforest through Sonic Architectures
<br>>
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<br>Greetings,
<br>A brief thank you and response to the latest posting by Paul
<br>Brown, re: John Lifton, Green Music and our collaboration on
<br>The Secret Life of Plants (SLoPs) film in 1976.
<br>
<br>John and I have known each other since 1974, he and his wife,
<br>Pamela Zoline still live in Telluride, CO, we continue to
<br>work together and we will see each other again next week.
<br>
<br>My essay, ?Creative Works Exploring Our Information Ecosystem:
<br>1970 ?1979?, published in Leonardo/MIT Press, Volume 53, Issue 5,
<br>October 2020, noted SLoPs and other works of over 40 years ago,
<br>based on electronically sensing and transducing plants, human
<br>physiology, interspecies and other environ/eco signals as
<br>extended communications and language.
<br>
<br>As a current update to this work, I have been developing an arts
<br>installation, "Interferences & Resonances", utilizing multi-
<br>spectral laser interferometry to photonically sense and process
<br>variations in signal patterns from plants, human physiology and
<br>environmental ecosystems, much like the technique for sensing of
<br>gravitational waves and creation of holography.
<br>
<br>Another current project, dealing with ecological economic value,
<br>possibly of interest to this list, is titled "Mushroom Economics".
<br>See: <a href="https://myco-eco.art">https://myco-eco.art</a>
<br>
<br>Finally, The Secret Life of Plants short video edit from 1976,
<br>continues to be shown, mostly in Europe, last weekend in Lisbon.
<br>See: <a href="https://youtu.be/OR4ZNV3hU7o">https://youtu.be/OR4ZNV3hU7o</a>
<br>
<br>Thanks for the reference, Paul.
<br>RL
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<br>> In 1973 John Lifton first exhibited 'Green Music' at the Computer Arts
<br>> Society exhibition 'Event One' in London. It was subsequently widely
<br>> exhibited in the UK and USA. The interactive artwork demonstrated
<br>> that plants were aware (conscious) of their environment and could
<br>> quickly respond to changes:
<br>>
<br>> <a href="http://turbulence.org/networked_music_review/2007/12/13/net_music_weekly-john-lifton/">http://turbulence.org/networked_music_review/2007/12/13/net_music_weekly-john-lifton/</a>
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<br>To: roger malina <<a href="mailto:rmalina@alum.mit.edu">rmalina@alum.mit.edu</a>>
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<br>Dear Assimina, All,
<br>I'm just now catching up on email. Thank you for these interesting thoughts
<br>and links. I agree that it's important to consider our relationship with
<br>plants - and the future role of plants in politics - from the perspective
<br>of zoning and settlement.
<br>
<br>Here are some more details about the short- and long-term ambitions of the
<br>Phytodemocracy Initiative (not yet for public circulation):
<br><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_um8VqoEh2X7ksR2k1HDDTeTvflUOVHZTIdmmivpwLc/edit?usp=sharing">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_um8VqoEh2X7ksR2k1HDDTeTvflUOVHZTIdmmivpwLc/edit?usp=sharing</a>
<br>
<br>We're currently working on protocols for citizen polling and also working
<br>on the legal foundations for political enfranchisement. Project
<br>collaborators include Earth Law Center, the University of Southern
<br>California, and San Jose State University... and now the global network of
<br>Yasminers. I'd love for you to be involved, and to think about how the
<br>project might manifest in Athens.
<br>
<br>More soon (and more soon about some work we're doing in the realm of
<br>economics too)....
<br>
<br>best,
<br>Jonathon
<br>
<br>On Sat, May 29, 2021 at 11:43 AM roger malina <<a href="mailto:rmalina@alum.mit.edu">rmalina@alum.mit.edu</a>> wrote:
<br>
<br>> asamina and yasminers
<br>>
<br>> asamina thanks about your incitation of using 'living architecture'
<br>> methods- yasminers her email is included
<br>> and find out how to complete a tax return concerned with underground
<br>> biological activity though a new as a living biological space in
<br>> democratic deficit.
<br>>
<br>> we hope you are 'polling' the plants in your neighborhood as a first step
<br>> to
<br>> helping them to vote in your next city election-- recently i have been
<br>> visiting 'decorative' plants and gardens in dallas
<br>> manicured lawns and plants with every leaf designed by humans. Are
<br>> urban gardens a help or a hindrance to
<br>> making the plant world happier ? or both.
<br>>
<br>> i note that the nation state is an irrelevant 'scale' for intervention
<br>> on climate change ( see the ideas of ramon guardans
<br>> and nina czegledy)- we need global scales and neighborhood scales-
<br>> satellites give us a sense of global climate
<br>> change and by looking in your neighborhood you get a sense of local
<br>> changes( eg increased flooding in many
<br>> neighborhoods)- hence jonathon keats provocation to poll your local plants
<br>>
<br>> after we finish the plant polling over the next few weeks Jonathon
<br>> Keats will lead the next steps in our
<br>> yasmin discussions- but for now yasminers are invited to observe and
<br>> notice whether their local plants
<br>> are feeling well or not and report back. Once we have the plant
<br>> opinion polls we can step forward.
<br>>
<br>> Roger Malina
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> On Sat, May 29, 2021 at 5:19 AM Assimina Kaniari
<br>> <<a href="mailto:assimina.kaniari@gmail.com">assimina.kaniari@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
<br>> >
<br>> > Dear Roger and Nina and Jonathan,
<br>> >
<br>> > I wonder if it would be useful to the plants thought experiment to think
<br>> in terms of analogies between (city/urban/civic) plants (planted) and
<br>> residents 'settled', by way of housing as a metaphor (through
<br>> architecture). Building 'houses' which grow in a vertical manner (just as
<br>> city growth in modern cities) resembles the way plants grow (vertically-yet
<br>> without following rules of perspective, as Hockney has written about trees).
<br>> > I always found interesting Kader Attia's discussion of modernism and
<br>> mass architecture housing in France (and his work revisiting Le Corbusier's
<br>> ideal city as couscous at Tate).
<br>> >
<br>> > Suzanne Anker has discussed how plants sense and feel (by drawing on M.
<br>> Marder's Plant thinking: a philosophy of vegetal life in her discussion of
<br>> her work Astroculture looking at links between speculative and real and
<br>> historical conditions of plant growth (a terrarium as a space experiment in
<br>> 0 gravity as a cabinet of curiosity) to think about plants, science and
<br>> culture from the perspective of plants and ?how above ground and
<br>> underground environments appear to plants'..
<br>> > <a href="http://suzanneanker.com/wp-content/uploads/02.pdf">http://suzanneanker.com/wp-content/uploads/02.pdf</a>
<br>> >
<br>> <a href="https://www.leonardo.info/review/2017/09/review-of-institutional-critique-to-hospitality-and-open-science-singularity-and">https://www.leonardo.info/review/2017/09/review-of-institutional-critique-to-hospitality-and-open-science-singularity-and</a>
<br>> >
<br>> > This way of thinking about plants the living physicality of plants,
<br>> their 'architecture' and survival patterns is indeed a thought metaphor for
<br>> a rethinking of a 'living' architecture (not only in terms of the people
<br>> that it hosts, like a biblical arc) but perhaps more in the sense of an
<br>> expanded field (taking on board plant vision and growth as a living and
<br>> real metaphor) just as Rosalind Krauss talked about the blurring of
<br>> boundaries in the art object and 'sculpture' against the 'expanded field'
<br>> also through photography in dialogue with architecture many years back
<br>> looking at static and dry structures (is the work what we encounter on the
<br>> surface or what is also underneath?). How can we account for the messiness
<br>> and fluidity of water (waste) but if it is also something that we produce
<br>> perhaps we should also have a payback from the profits of its management
<br>> -as a tax return concerned with underground biological activity though a
<br>> new as a living biological space in democratic deficit.
<br>> >
<br>> > Plants have roots which extend deep down in the soil (often fed and
<br>> watered by sewers) but are encountered (from an anthropocentric view) at
<br>> street level (as part of the city topography, as perspectival additions) as
<br>> elements of the horizon.
<br>> > Their growth by taking on board an expanded field leads also to a
<br>> different thinking about more inclusive ways of participation in the
<br>> profits of the new economy of waste as a plant-building-civic thought
<br>> experiment. A
<br>> >
<br>> > > > > I am currently 'polling" plants in dallas and so far have
<br>> discovered
<br>> > > > that:
<br>> > > > > a) i notice more unhappy people than unhappy plants- why cant
<br>> dallas
<br>> > > > > provide all humans a minimum annual income-
<br>> > > > > as they do to plants who are watered and clipped and planted by the
<br>> > > > > city for free.
<br>> > > > > b) i dont know how to know whether a plant is 'happy' and my son
<br>> > > > > xavier said i was projecting
<br>> > > > > on plants things that are desirable to humans ( eg happiness)
<br>> instead
<br>> > > > > of asking plants what THEY desire
<br>> > > > >
<br>> > > > > If anyone would like to help us organise this discussion contact
<br>> nina
<br>> > > > and I
<br>> > > > > via rmalina@ <a href="http://alum.mit.edu">alum.mit.edu</a> and <a href="mailto:czegledyn@gmail.com">czegledyn@gmail.com</a>
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> > --
<br>> >
<br>> > Assimina Kaniari, D.Phil Oxford, M.Phil Cambridge.
<br>> >
<br>> > Assistant Professor, Art History, Athens School of Fine Arts.
<br>> >
<br>> > <a href="https://www.leonardo.info/led/4685">https://www.leonardo.info/led/4685</a>
<br>> >
<br>> > <a href="http://www.asfa.gr/assimina-kaniari">http://www.asfa.gr/assimina-kaniari</a>
<br>> >
<br>> > Publications
<br>> >
<br>> > Acts of Seeing Artists, Scientists and the History of the Visual : A
<br>> Volume Dedicated to Martin Kemp
<br>> >
<br>> > Assimina Kaniari, Marina Wallace, Martin Kemp
<br>> >
<br>> > Institutional Critique to Hospitality: Bio Art Practice Now. A critical
<br>> anthology
<br>> >
<br>> > Assimina Kaniari (editor)
<br>> >
<br>> > Grigori Publications
<br>> >
<br>> > 2017
<br>> >
<br>> > <a href="http://suzanneanker.com/wp-content/uploads/02.pdf">http://suzanneanker.com/wp-content/uploads/02.pdf</a>
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> <a href="https://www.leonardo.info/review/2017/09/review-of-institutional-critique-to-hospitality-and-open-science-singularity-and">https://www.leonardo.info/review/2017/09/review-of-institutional-critique-to-hospitality-and-open-science-singularity-and</a>
<br>> >
<br>> > Review of Susan Merril Squier's Epigenetic Landscapes: Drawings as
<br>> Metaphor, Leonardo.
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> <a href="https://www.leonardo.info/review/2020/08/epigenetic-landscapes-drawings-as-metaphor">https://www.leonardo.info/review/2020/08/epigenetic-landscapes-drawings-as-metaphor</a>
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<br>In 1973 John Lifton first exhibited 'Green Music' at the Computer Arts Society exhibition 'Event One' in London. It was subsequently widely exhibited in the UK and USA. The interactive artwork demonstrated that plants were aware (conscious) of their environment and could quickly respond to changes:
<br>
<br> <a href="http://turbulence.org/networked_music_review/2007/12/13/net_music_weekly-john-lifton/">http://turbulence.org/networked_music_review/2007/12/13/net_music_weekly-john-lifton/</a>
<br>
<br>ALSO - on the subject of 'Free Will'. My favourite description comes from Gerd Sommerhoff in his ' The Abstract Characteristics of Living Systems' (1969) where he suggests that free will is an illusion generated by a relatively simple organism (human) to a seeming infinitely complex environment (the universe) in order to preserve its sanity.
<br>--
<br> Paul Brown
<br> <a href="mailto:paul@paul-brown.com">paul@paul-brown.com</a>
<br>
<br>On Mon, 31 May 2021, at 5:12 AM, YASMIN DISCUSSIONS wrote:
<br>> Before anything, do plants have free will ? How is it demonstrated ? Which
<br>> elements of its biology support this ?
<br>> And then, how will this free will be expressed and in particular the vote
<br>> decision ?
<br>>
<br>> Mathieu Pr?vot
<br>> Paris
<br>>
<br>> Le dim. 30 mai 2021 ? 20:58, YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <<a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>>
<br>> a ?crit :
<br>>
<br>> > or give plants a voting right (the most radical request so far)
<br>> > or
<br>> > implement the biosphere into the declaration of rights, constitution or
<br>> > fundamental / basic law (as in Bhutan)
<br>> >
<br>> > Klaus Hu
<br>> > Studio Klaus Hu / Berlin
<br>> >
<br>> > > On May 29, 2021, at 8:42 PM, YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <
<br>> > <a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>> wrote:
<br>> > >
<br>> > > asamina and yasminers
<br>> > >
<br>> > > asamina thanks about your incitation of using 'living architecture'
<br>> > > methods- yasminers her email is included
<br>> > > and find out how to complete a tax return concerned with underground
<br>> > > biological activity though a new as a living biological space in
<br>> > > democratic deficit.
<br>> > >
<br>> > > we hope you are 'polling' the plants in your neighborhood as a first
<br>> > step to
<br>> > > helping them to vote in your next city election-- recently i have been
<br>> > > visiting 'decorative' plants and gardens in dallas
<br>> > > manicured lawns and plants with every leaf designed by humans. Are
<br>> > > urban gardens a help or a hindrance to
<br>> > > making the plant world happier ? or both.
<br>> > >
<br>> > > i note that the nation state is an irrelevant 'scale' for intervention
<br>> > > on climate change ( see the ideas of ramon guardans
<br>> > > and nina czegledy)- we need global scales and neighborhood scales-
<br>> > > satellites give us a sense of global climate
<br>> > > change and by looking in your neighborhood you get a sense of local
<br>> > > changes( eg increased flooding in many
<br>> > > neighborhoods)- hence jonathon keats provocation to poll your local
<br>> > plants
<br>> > >
<br>> > > after we finish the plant polling over the next few weeks Jonathon
<br>> > > Keats will lead the next steps in our
<br>> > > yasmin discussions- but for now yasminers are invited to observe and
<br>> > > notice whether their local plants
<br>> > > are feeling well or not and report back. Once we have the plant
<br>> > > opinion polls we can step forward.
<br>> > >
<br>> > > Roger Malina
<br>> > >
<br>> > >
<br>> > > On Sat, May 29, 2021 at 5:19 AM Assimina Kaniari
<br>> > > <<a href="mailto:assimina.kaniari@gmail.com">assimina.kaniari@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> Dear Roger and Nina and Jonathan,
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> I wonder if it would be useful to the plants thought experiment to
<br>> > think in terms of analogies between (city/urban/civic) plants (planted) and
<br>> > residents 'settled', by way of housing as a metaphor (through
<br>> > architecture). Building 'houses' which grow in a vertical manner (just as
<br>> > city growth in modern cities) resembles the way plants grow (vertically-yet
<br>> > without following rules of perspective, as Hockney has written about trees).
<br>> > >> I always found interesting Kader Attia's discussion of modernism and
<br>> > mass architecture housing in France (and his work revisiting Le Corbusier's
<br>> > ideal city as couscous at Tate).
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> Suzanne Anker has discussed how plants sense and feel (by drawing on M.
<br>> > Marder's Plant thinking: a philosophy of vegetal life in her discussion of
<br>> > her work Astroculture looking at links between speculative and real and
<br>> > historical conditions of plant growth (a terrarium as a space experiment in
<br>> > 0 gravity as a cabinet of curiosity) to think about plants, science and
<br>> > culture from the perspective of plants and ?how above ground and
<br>> > underground environments appear to plants'..
<br>> > >> <a href="http://suzanneanker.com/wp-content/uploads/02.pdf">http://suzanneanker.com/wp-content/uploads/02.pdf</a>
<br>> > >>
<br>> > <a href="https://www.leonardo.info/review/2017/09/review-of-institutional-critique-to-hospitality-and-open-science-singularity-and">https://www.leonardo.info/review/2017/09/review-of-institutional-critique-to-hospitality-and-open-science-singularity-and</a>
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> This way of thinking about plants the living physicality of plants,
<br>> > their 'architecture' and survival patterns is indeed a thought metaphor for
<br>> > a rethinking of a 'living' architecture (not only in terms of the people
<br>> > that it hosts, like a biblical arc) but perhaps more in the sense of an
<br>> > expanded field (taking on board plant vision and growth as a living and
<br>> > real metaphor) just as Rosalind Krauss talked about the blurring of
<br>> > boundaries in the art object and 'sculpture' against the 'expanded field'
<br>> > also through photography in dialogue with architecture many years back
<br>> > looking at static and dry structures (is the work what we encounter on the
<br>> > surface or what is also underneath?). How can we account for the messiness
<br>> > and fluidity of water (waste) but if it is also something that we produce
<br>> > perhaps we should also have a payback from the profits of its management
<br>> > -as a tax return concerned with underground biological activity though a
<br>> > new as a living biological space in democratic deficit.
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> Plants have roots which extend deep down in the soil (often fed and
<br>> > watered by sewers) but are encountered (from an anthropocentric view) at
<br>> > street level (as part of the city topography, as perspectival additions) as
<br>> > elements of the horizon.
<br>> > >> Their growth by taking on board an expanded field leads also to a
<br>> > different thinking about more inclusive ways of participation in the
<br>> > profits of the new economy of waste as a plant-building-civic thought
<br>> > experiment. A
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >>>>> I am currently 'polling" plants in dallas and so far have discovered
<br>> > >>>> that:
<br>> > >>>>> a) i notice more unhappy people than unhappy plants- why cant dallas
<br>> > >>>>> provide all humans a minimum annual income-
<br>> > >>>>> as they do to plants who are watered and clipped and planted by the
<br>> > >>>>> city for free.
<br>> > >>>>> b) i dont know how to know whether a plant is 'happy' and my son
<br>> > >>>>> xavier said i was projecting
<br>> > >>>>> on plants things that are desirable to humans ( eg happiness) instead
<br>> > >>>>> of asking plants what THEY desire
<br>> > >>>>>
<br>> > >>>>> If anyone would like to help us organise this discussion contact nina
<br>> > >>>> and I
<br>> > >>>>> via rmalina@ <a href="http://alum.mit.edu">alum.mit.edu</a> and <a href="mailto:czegledyn@gmail.com">czegledyn@gmail.com</a>
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> --
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> Assimina Kaniari, D.Phil Oxford, M.Phil Cambridge.
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> Assistant Professor, Art History, Athens School of Fine Arts.
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> <a href="https://www.leonardo.info/led/4685">https://www.leonardo.info/led/4685</a>
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> <a href="http://www.asfa.gr/assimina-kaniari">http://www.asfa.gr/assimina-kaniari</a>
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> Publications
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> Acts of Seeing Artists, Scientists and the History of the Visual : A
<br>> > Volume Dedicated to Martin Kemp
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> Assimina Kaniari, Marina Wallace, Martin Kemp
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> Institutional Critique to Hospitality: Bio Art Practice Now. A critical
<br>> > anthology
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> Assimina Kaniari (editor)
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> Grigori Publications
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> 2017
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> <a href="http://suzanneanker.com/wp-content/uploads/02.pdf">http://suzanneanker.com/wp-content/uploads/02.pdf</a>
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >>
<br>> > <a href="https://www.leonardo.info/review/2017/09/review-of-institutional-critique-to-hospitality-and-open-science-singularity-and">https://www.leonardo.info/review/2017/09/review-of-institutional-critique-to-hospitality-and-open-science-singularity-and</a>
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> Review of Susan Merril Squier's Epigenetic Landscapes: Drawings as
<br>> > Metaphor, Leonardo.
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >>
<br>> > <a href="https://www.leonardo.info/review/2020/08/epigenetic-landscapes-drawings-as-metaphor">https://www.leonardo.info/review/2020/08/epigenetic-landscapes-drawings-as-metaphor</a>
<br>> > >
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<br> 1. Re: asamina kaniari challenges yasminers to think about
<br> living architectures (YASMIN DISCUSSIONS)
<br> 2. Re: asamina kaniari challenges yasminers to think about
<br> living architectures (YASMIN DISCUSSIONS)
<br> 3. Salvatore Iaconesi seads in with Antitesi project which is
<br> about a love story between an AI and a plant. (YASMIN DISCUSSIONS)
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<br>Date: Sat, 29 May 2021 21:21:57 +0200
<br>From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <<a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>>
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<br>Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] asamina kaniari challenges yasminers
<br> to think about living architectures
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<br>or give plants a voting right (the most radical request so far)
<br>or
<br>implement the biosphere into the declaration of rights, constitution or fundamental / basic law (as in Bhutan)
<br>
<br>Klaus Hu
<br>Studio Klaus Hu / Berlin
<br>
<br>> On May 29, 2021, at 8:42 PM, YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <<a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>> wrote:
<br>>
<br>> asamina and yasminers
<br>>
<br>> asamina thanks about your incitation of using 'living architecture'
<br>> methods- yasminers her email is included
<br>> and find out how to complete a tax return concerned with underground
<br>> biological activity though a new as a living biological space in
<br>> democratic deficit.
<br>>
<br>> we hope you are 'polling' the plants in your neighborhood as a first step to
<br>> helping them to vote in your next city election-- recently i have been
<br>> visiting 'decorative' plants and gardens in dallas
<br>> manicured lawns and plants with every leaf designed by humans. Are
<br>> urban gardens a help or a hindrance to
<br>> making the plant world happier ? or both.
<br>>
<br>> i note that the nation state is an irrelevant 'scale' for intervention
<br>> on climate change ( see the ideas of ramon guardans
<br>> and nina czegledy)- we need global scales and neighborhood scales-
<br>> satellites give us a sense of global climate
<br>> change and by looking in your neighborhood you get a sense of local
<br>> changes( eg increased flooding in many
<br>> neighborhoods)- hence jonathon keats provocation to poll your local plants
<br>>
<br>> after we finish the plant polling over the next few weeks Jonathon
<br>> Keats will lead the next steps in our
<br>> yasmin discussions- but for now yasminers are invited to observe and
<br>> notice whether their local plants
<br>> are feeling well or not and report back. Once we have the plant
<br>> opinion polls we can step forward.
<br>>
<br>> Roger Malina
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> On Sat, May 29, 2021 at 5:19 AM Assimina Kaniari
<br>> <<a href="mailto:assimina.kaniari@gmail.com">assimina.kaniari@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
<br>>>
<br>>> Dear Roger and Nina and Jonathan,
<br>>>
<br>>> I wonder if it would be useful to the plants thought experiment to think in terms of analogies between (city/urban/civic) plants (planted) and residents 'settled', by way of housing as a metaphor (through architecture). Building 'houses' which grow in a vertical manner (just as city growth in modern cities) resembles the way plants grow (vertically-yet without following rules of perspective, as Hockney has written about trees).
<br>>> I always found interesting Kader Attia's discussion of modernism and mass architecture housing in France (and his work revisiting Le Corbusier's ideal city as couscous at Tate).
<br>>>
<br>>> Suzanne Anker has discussed how plants sense and feel (by drawing on M. Marder's Plant thinking: a philosophy of vegetal life in her discussion of her work Astroculture looking at links between speculative and real and historical conditions of plant growth (a terrarium as a space experiment in 0 gravity as a cabinet of curiosity) to think about plants, science and culture from the perspective of plants and ?how above ground and underground environments appear to plants'..
<br>>> <a href="http://suzanneanker.com/wp-content/uploads/02.pdf">http://suzanneanker.com/wp-content/uploads/02.pdf</a>
<br>>> <a href="https://www.leonardo.info/review/2017/09/review-of-institutional-critique-to-hospitality-and-open-science-singularity-and">https://www.leonardo.info/review/2017/09/review-of-institutional-critique-to-hospitality-and-open-science-singularity-and</a>
<br>>>
<br>>> This way of thinking about plants the living physicality of plants, their 'architecture' and survival patterns is indeed a thought metaphor for a rethinking of a 'living' architecture (not only in terms of the people that it hosts, like a biblical arc) but perhaps more in the sense of an expanded field (taking on board plant vision and growth as a living and real metaphor) just as Rosalind Krauss talked about the blurring of boundaries in the art object and 'sculpture' against the 'expanded field' also through photography in dialogue with architecture many years back looking at static and dry structures (is the work what we encounter on the surface or what is also underneath?). How can we account for the messiness and fluidity of water (waste) but if it is also something that we produce perhaps we should also have a payback from the profits of its management -as a tax return concerned with underground biological activity though a new as a living biological space in democratic deficit.
<br>>>
<br>>> Plants have roots which extend deep down in the soil (often fed and watered by sewers) but are encountered (from an anthropocentric view) at street level (as part of the city topography, as perspectival additions) as elements of the horizon.
<br>>> Their growth by taking on board an expanded field leads also to a different thinking about more inclusive ways of participation in the profits of the new economy of waste as a plant-building-civic thought experiment. A
<br>>>
<br>>>>>> I am currently 'polling" plants in dallas and so far have discovered
<br>>>>> that:
<br>>>>>> a) i notice more unhappy people than unhappy plants- why cant dallas
<br>>>>>> provide all humans a minimum annual income-
<br>>>>>> as they do to plants who are watered and clipped and planted by the
<br>>>>>> city for free.
<br>>>>>> b) i dont know how to know whether a plant is 'happy' and my son
<br>>>>>> xavier said i was projecting
<br>>>>>> on plants things that are desirable to humans ( eg happiness) instead
<br>>>>>> of asking plants what THEY desire
<br>>>>>>
<br>>>>>> If anyone would like to help us organise this discussion contact nina
<br>>>>> and I
<br>>>>>> via rmalina@ <a href="http://alum.mit.edu">alum.mit.edu</a> and <a href="mailto:czegledyn@gmail.com">czegledyn@gmail.com</a>
<br>>>
<br>>>
<br>>> --
<br>>>
<br>>> Assimina Kaniari, D.Phil Oxford, M.Phil Cambridge.
<br>>>
<br>>> Assistant Professor, Art History, Athens School of Fine Arts.
<br>>>
<br>>> <a href="https://www.leonardo.info/led/4685">https://www.leonardo.info/led/4685</a>
<br>>>
<br>>> <a href="http://www.asfa.gr/assimina-kaniari">http://www.asfa.gr/assimina-kaniari</a>
<br>>>
<br>>> Publications
<br>>>
<br>>> Acts of Seeing Artists, Scientists and the History of the Visual : A Volume Dedicated to Martin Kemp
<br>>>
<br>>> Assimina Kaniari, Marina Wallace, Martin Kemp
<br>>>
<br>>> Institutional Critique to Hospitality: Bio Art Practice Now. A critical anthology
<br>>>
<br>>> Assimina Kaniari (editor)
<br>>>
<br>>> Grigori Publications
<br>>>
<br>>> 2017
<br>>>
<br>>> <a href="http://suzanneanker.com/wp-content/uploads/02.pdf">http://suzanneanker.com/wp-content/uploads/02.pdf</a>
<br>>>
<br>>> <a href="https://www.leonardo.info/review/2017/09/review-of-institutional-critique-to-hospitality-and-open-science-singularity-and">https://www.leonardo.info/review/2017/09/review-of-institutional-critique-to-hospitality-and-open-science-singularity-and</a>
<br>>>
<br>>> Review of Susan Merril Squier's Epigenetic Landscapes: Drawings as Metaphor, Leonardo.
<br>>>
<br>>> <a href="https://www.leonardo.info/review/2020/08/epigenetic-landscapes-drawings-as-metaphor">https://www.leonardo.info/review/2020/08/epigenetic-landscapes-drawings-as-metaphor</a>
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<br>Date: Sun, 30 May 2021 21:12:33 +0200
<br>From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <<a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>>
<br>To: <a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>
<br>Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] asamina kaniari challenges yasminers
<br> to think about living architectures
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<br>Before anything, do plants have free will ? How is it demonstrated ? Which
<br>elements of its biology support this ?
<br>And then, how will this free will be expressed and in particular the vote
<br>decision ?
<br>
<br>Mathieu Pr?vot
<br>Paris
<br>
<br>Le dim. 30 mai 2021 ? 20:58, YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <<a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>>
<br>a ?crit :
<br>
<br>> or give plants a voting right (the most radical request so far)
<br>> or
<br>> implement the biosphere into the declaration of rights, constitution or
<br>> fundamental / basic law (as in Bhutan)
<br>>
<br>> Klaus Hu
<br>> Studio Klaus Hu / Berlin
<br>>
<br>> > On May 29, 2021, at 8:42 PM, YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <
<br>> <a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>> wrote:
<br>> >
<br>> > asamina and yasminers
<br>> >
<br>> > asamina thanks about your incitation of using 'living architecture'
<br>> > methods- yasminers her email is included
<br>> > and find out how to complete a tax return concerned with underground
<br>> > biological activity though a new as a living biological space in
<br>> > democratic deficit.
<br>> >
<br>> > we hope you are 'polling' the plants in your neighborhood as a first
<br>> step to
<br>> > helping them to vote in your next city election-- recently i have been
<br>> > visiting 'decorative' plants and gardens in dallas
<br>> > manicured lawns and plants with every leaf designed by humans. Are
<br>> > urban gardens a help or a hindrance to
<br>> > making the plant world happier ? or both.
<br>> >
<br>> > i note that the nation state is an irrelevant 'scale' for intervention
<br>> > on climate change ( see the ideas of ramon guardans
<br>> > and nina czegledy)- we need global scales and neighborhood scales-
<br>> > satellites give us a sense of global climate
<br>> > change and by looking in your neighborhood you get a sense of local
<br>> > changes( eg increased flooding in many
<br>> > neighborhoods)- hence jonathon keats provocation to poll your local
<br>> plants
<br>> >
<br>> > after we finish the plant polling over the next few weeks Jonathon
<br>> > Keats will lead the next steps in our
<br>> > yasmin discussions- but for now yasminers are invited to observe and
<br>> > notice whether their local plants
<br>> > are feeling well or not and report back. Once we have the plant
<br>> > opinion polls we can step forward.
<br>> >
<br>> > Roger Malina
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> > On Sat, May 29, 2021 at 5:19 AM Assimina Kaniari
<br>> > <<a href="mailto:assimina.kaniari@gmail.com">assimina.kaniari@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
<br>> >>
<br>> >> Dear Roger and Nina and Jonathan,
<br>> >>
<br>> >> I wonder if it would be useful to the plants thought experiment to
<br>> think in terms of analogies between (city/urban/civic) plants (planted) and
<br>> residents 'settled', by way of housing as a metaphor (through
<br>> architecture). Building 'houses' which grow in a vertical manner (just as
<br>> city growth in modern cities) resembles the way plants grow (vertically-yet
<br>> without following rules of perspective, as Hockney has written about trees).
<br>> >> I always found interesting Kader Attia's discussion of modernism and
<br>> mass architecture housing in France (and his work revisiting Le Corbusier's
<br>> ideal city as couscous at Tate).
<br>> >>
<br>> >> Suzanne Anker has discussed how plants sense and feel (by drawing on M.
<br>> Marder's Plant thinking: a philosophy of vegetal life in her discussion of
<br>> her work Astroculture looking at links between speculative and real and
<br>> historical conditions of plant growth (a terrarium as a space experiment in
<br>> 0 gravity as a cabinet of curiosity) to think about plants, science and
<br>> culture from the perspective of plants and ?how above ground and
<br>> underground environments appear to plants'..
<br>> >> <a href="http://suzanneanker.com/wp-content/uploads/02.pdf">http://suzanneanker.com/wp-content/uploads/02.pdf</a>
<br>> >>
<br>> <a href="https://www.leonardo.info/review/2017/09/review-of-institutional-critique-to-hospitality-and-open-science-singularity-and">https://www.leonardo.info/review/2017/09/review-of-institutional-critique-to-hospitality-and-open-science-singularity-and</a>
<br>> >>
<br>> >> This way of thinking about plants the living physicality of plants,
<br>> their 'architecture' and survival patterns is indeed a thought metaphor for
<br>> a rethinking of a 'living' architecture (not only in terms of the people
<br>> that it hosts, like a biblical arc) but perhaps more in the sense of an
<br>> expanded field (taking on board plant vision and growth as a living and
<br>> real metaphor) just as Rosalind Krauss talked about the blurring of
<br>> boundaries in the art object and 'sculpture' against the 'expanded field'
<br>> also through photography in dialogue with architecture many years back
<br>> looking at static and dry structures (is the work what we encounter on the
<br>> surface or what is also underneath?). How can we account for the messiness
<br>> and fluidity of water (waste) but if it is also something that we produce
<br>> perhaps we should also have a payback from the profits of its management
<br>> -as a tax return concerned with underground biological activity though a
<br>> new as a living biological space in democratic deficit.
<br>> >>
<br>> >> Plants have roots which extend deep down in the soil (often fed and
<br>> watered by sewers) but are encountered (from an anthropocentric view) at
<br>> street level (as part of the city topography, as perspectival additions) as
<br>> elements of the horizon.
<br>> >> Their growth by taking on board an expanded field leads also to a
<br>> different thinking about more inclusive ways of participation in the
<br>> profits of the new economy of waste as a plant-building-civic thought
<br>> experiment. A
<br>> >>
<br>> >>>>> I am currently 'polling" plants in dallas and so far have discovered
<br>> >>>> that:
<br>> >>>>> a) i notice more unhappy people than unhappy plants- why cant dallas
<br>> >>>>> provide all humans a minimum annual income-
<br>> >>>>> as they do to plants who are watered and clipped and planted by the
<br>> >>>>> city for free.
<br>> >>>>> b) i dont know how to know whether a plant is 'happy' and my son
<br>> >>>>> xavier said i was projecting
<br>> >>>>> on plants things that are desirable to humans ( eg happiness) instead
<br>> >>>>> of asking plants what THEY desire
<br>> >>>>>
<br>> >>>>> If anyone would like to help us organise this discussion contact nina
<br>> >>>> and I
<br>> >>>>> via rmalina@ <a href="http://alum.mit.edu">alum.mit.edu</a> and <a href="mailto:czegledyn@gmail.com">czegledyn@gmail.com</a>
<br>> >>
<br>> >>
<br>> >> --
<br>> >>
<br>> >> Assimina Kaniari, D.Phil Oxford, M.Phil Cambridge.
<br>> >>
<br>> >> Assistant Professor, Art History, Athens School of Fine Arts.
<br>> >>
<br>> >> <a href="https://www.leonardo.info/led/4685">https://www.leonardo.info/led/4685</a>
<br>> >>
<br>> >> <a href="http://www.asfa.gr/assimina-kaniari">http://www.asfa.gr/assimina-kaniari</a>
<br>> >>
<br>> >> Publications
<br>> >>
<br>> >> Acts of Seeing Artists, Scientists and the History of the Visual : A
<br>> Volume Dedicated to Martin Kemp
<br>> >>
<br>> >> Assimina Kaniari, Marina Wallace, Martin Kemp
<br>> >>
<br>> >> Institutional Critique to Hospitality: Bio Art Practice Now. A critical
<br>> anthology
<br>> >>
<br>> >> Assimina Kaniari (editor)
<br>> >>
<br>> >> Grigori Publications
<br>> >>
<br>> >> 2017
<br>> >>
<br>> >> <a href="http://suzanneanker.com/wp-content/uploads/02.pdf">http://suzanneanker.com/wp-content/uploads/02.pdf</a>
<br>> >>
<br>> >>
<br>> <a href="https://www.leonardo.info/review/2017/09/review-of-institutional-critique-to-hospitality-and-open-science-singularity-and">https://www.leonardo.info/review/2017/09/review-of-institutional-critique-to-hospitality-and-open-science-singularity-and</a>
<br>> >>
<br>> >> Review of Susan Merril Squier's Epigenetic Landscapes: Drawings as
<br>> Metaphor, Leonardo.
<br>> >>
<br>> >>
<br>> <a href="https://www.leonardo.info/review/2020/08/epigenetic-landscapes-drawings-as-metaphor">https://www.leonardo.info/review/2020/08/epigenetic-landscapes-drawings-as-metaphor</a>
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<br>Date: Sun, 30 May 2021 14:37:35 -0500
<br>From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <<a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>>
<br>To: <a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>, Salvatore Iaconesi
<br> <<a href="mailto:salvatore.iaconesi@he-r.it">salvatore.iaconesi@he-r.it</a>>, Jonathon Keats
<br> <<a href="mailto:jonathonkeats@gmail.com">jonathonkeats@gmail.com</a>>, Czegledy <<a href="mailto:czegledy@interlog.com">czegledy@interlog.com</a>>, Vania
<br> Negrete <<a href="mailto:he.lios@hotmail.com">he.lios@hotmail.com</a>>, Joel Slayton <<a href="mailto:joelc5slayton@gmail.com">joelc5slayton@gmail.com</a>>
<br>Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] Salvatore Iaconesi seads in with
<br> Antitesi project which is about a love story between an AI and a
<br> plant.
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<br>YASMINERS
<br>from salvatore Iaconesi
<br>
<br>I hope you are well!
<br>
<br>What a wonderful topic you are bringing up with Jonathon Keats for
<br>Yasmin! (and btw, we had got in touch with him for La Cura years ago,
<br>and he was super nice and gave wonderful contributions)
<br>
<br>If he's not already involved I suggest you onboarding Massimo Di
<br>Felice in Brazil: he's working across digital and indigenous cultures
<br>and their diverse cosmologies imagining a plant parliament.
<br>
<br>And I and Oriana would really also enjoy joining in through our
<br>Antitesi project (Pier Luigi saw this one as well! :) ), which is
<br>about a love story between an AI and a plant.
<br>
<br>The AI continuously admires and contemplates its lover: when flowers
<br>appear, how it grows, temperatures, humidity etc. By doing this it
<br>progressively forms, over the years, a data set, in which it looks for
<br>patterns about the rise of climate change.
<br>
<br>When it finds them, this new digital-biologic life form generates an
<br>emotional response which triggers the fact that it starts investing
<br>the donations (which it can receive through its digital ID) on
<br>companies and organizations which have been virtuous.
<br>
<br>The artwork is also an open source toolkit using which you can turn
<br>any plant into an Antitesi, aiming to form a planetary network of
<br>plants which are not at all passive in fighting climate change, and
<br>establishing new forms of kinships with human beings.
<br>
<br>We created it as a prototype in 2018, and now, in 2021, the Federico
<br>II University of Naples will acquire it to install it into the campus
<br>and to use it in education, research and community programs.
<br>
<br>In the beginning prototype Antitesi was an Agave. Now we have been
<br>using a Wisteria Floribunda, which will wrap itself up onto a 30
<br>meters high ex-industrial chimney in Naples, becoming a presence for
<br>the whole campus. We have renamed it Wisteria Furibonda (which in
<br>italian means Furious Wisteria) for its emotional response.
<br>
<br>Thank you!
<br>and hope to see you soon somehow
<br>kind wishes
<br>Salvatore
<br>
<br>
<br>> > > We are working him as part of initiatives to mitigate climate change,
<br>> > > the absurd idea of giving plants the right
<br>> > > to vote- the first step is a citizen science project where YOU can
<br>> > > poll the plants around you and 'represent' them
<br>> > > in this yasmin discussion
<br>> > >
<br>> > > I am currently 'polling" plants in dallas and so far have discovered
<br>> > that:
<br>> > > a) i notice more unhappy people than unhappy plants- why cant dallas
<br>> > > provide all humans a minimum annual income-
<br>> > > as they do to plants who are watered and clipped and planted by the
<br>> > > city for free.
<br>> > > b) i dont know how to know whether a plant is 'happy' and my son
<br>> > > xavier said i was projecting
<br>> > > on plants things that are desirable to humans ( eg happiness) instead
<br>> > > of asking plants what THEY desire
<br>> > >
<br>> > > If anyone would like to help us organise this discussion contact nina
<br>> > and I
<br>> > > via rmalina@ <a href="http://alum.mit.edu">alum.mit.edu</a> and <a href="mailto:czegledyn@gmail.com">czegledyn@gmail.com</a>
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<br>Human Ecosystems Relazioni - <a href="https://www.he-r.it/">https://www.he-r.it/</a>
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<br>From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <<a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>>
<br>To: Assimina Kaniari <<a href="mailto:assimina.kaniari@gmail.com">assimina.kaniari@gmail.com</a>>,
<br> <a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>, Jonathon Keats <<a href="mailto:jonathonkeats@gmail.com">jonathonkeats@gmail.com</a>>,
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<br> think about living architectures
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<br>asamina and yasminers
<br>
<br>asamina thanks about your incitation of using 'living architecture'
<br>methods- yasminers her email is included
<br>and find out how to complete a tax return concerned with underground
<br>biological activity though a new as a living biological space in
<br>democratic deficit.
<br>
<br>we hope you are 'polling' the plants in your neighborhood as a first step to
<br>helping them to vote in your next city election-- recently i have been
<br>visiting 'decorative' plants and gardens in dallas
<br>manicured lawns and plants with every leaf designed by humans. Are
<br>urban gardens a help or a hindrance to
<br>making the plant world happier ? or both.
<br>
<br>i note that the nation state is an irrelevant 'scale' for intervention
<br>on climate change ( see the ideas of ramon guardans
<br>and nina czegledy)- we need global scales and neighborhood scales-
<br>satellites give us a sense of global climate
<br>change and by looking in your neighborhood you get a sense of local
<br>changes( eg increased flooding in many
<br>neighborhoods)- hence jonathon keats provocation to poll your local plants
<br>
<br>after we finish the plant polling over the next few weeks Jonathon
<br>Keats will lead the next steps in our
<br>yasmin discussions- but for now yasminers are invited to observe and
<br>notice whether their local plants
<br>are feeling well or not and report back. Once we have the plant
<br>opinion polls we can step forward.
<br>
<br>Roger Malina
<br>
<br>
<br>On Sat, May 29, 2021 at 5:19 AM Assimina Kaniari
<br><<a href="mailto:assimina.kaniari@gmail.com">assimina.kaniari@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
<br>>
<br>> Dear Roger and Nina and Jonathan,
<br>>
<br>> I wonder if it would be useful to the plants thought experiment to think in terms of analogies between (city/urban/civic) plants (planted) and residents 'settled', by way of housing as a metaphor (through architecture). Building 'houses' which grow in a vertical manner (just as city growth in modern cities) resembles the way plants grow (vertically-yet without following rules of perspective, as Hockney has written about trees).
<br>> I always found interesting Kader Attia's discussion of modernism and mass architecture housing in France (and his work revisiting Le Corbusier's ideal city as couscous at Tate).
<br>>
<br>> Suzanne Anker has discussed how plants sense and feel (by drawing on M. Marder's Plant thinking: a philosophy of vegetal life in her discussion of her work Astroculture looking at links between speculative and real and historical conditions of plant growth (a terrarium as a space experiment in 0 gravity as a cabinet of curiosity) to think about plants, science and culture from the perspective of plants and ?how above ground and underground environments appear to plants'..
<br>> <a href="http://suzanneanker.com/wp-content/uploads/02.pdf">http://suzanneanker.com/wp-content/uploads/02.pdf</a>
<br>> <a href="https://www.leonardo.info/review/2017/09/review-of-institutional-critique-to-hospitality-and-open-science-singularity-and">https://www.leonardo.info/review/2017/09/review-of-institutional-critique-to-hospitality-and-open-science-singularity-and</a>
<br>>
<br>> This way of thinking about plants the living physicality of plants, their 'architecture' and survival patterns is indeed a thought metaphor for a rethinking of a 'living' architecture (not only in terms of the people that it hosts, like a biblical arc) but perhaps more in the sense of an expanded field (taking on board plant vision and growth as a living and real metaphor) just as Rosalind Krauss talked about the blurring of boundaries in the art object and 'sculpture' against the 'expanded field' also through photography in dialogue with architecture many years back looking at static and dry structures (is the work what we encounter on the surface or what is also underneath?). How can we account for the messiness and fluidity of water (waste) but if it is also something that we produce perhaps we should also have a payback from the profits of its management -as a tax return concerned with underground biological activity though a new as a living biological space in democratic deficit.
<br>>
<br>> Plants have roots which extend deep down in the soil (often fed and watered by sewers) but are encountered (from an anthropocentric view) at street level (as part of the city topography, as perspectival additions) as elements of the horizon.
<br>> Their growth by taking on board an expanded field leads also to a different thinking about more inclusive ways of participation in the profits of the new economy of waste as a plant-building-civic thought experiment. A
<br>>
<br>> > > > I am currently 'polling" plants in dallas and so far have discovered
<br>> > > that:
<br>> > > > a) i notice more unhappy people than unhappy plants- why cant dallas
<br>> > > > provide all humans a minimum annual income-
<br>> > > > as they do to plants who are watered and clipped and planted by the
<br>> > > > city for free.
<br>> > > > b) i dont know how to know whether a plant is 'happy' and my son
<br>> > > > xavier said i was projecting
<br>> > > > on plants things that are desirable to humans ( eg happiness) instead
<br>> > > > of asking plants what THEY desire
<br>> > > >
<br>> > > > If anyone would like to help us organise this discussion contact nina
<br>> > > and I
<br>> > > > via rmalina@ <a href="http://alum.mit.edu">alum.mit.edu</a> and <a href="mailto:czegledyn@gmail.com">czegledyn@gmail.com</a>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> --
<br>>
<br>> Assimina Kaniari, D.Phil Oxford, M.Phil Cambridge.
<br>>
<br>> Assistant Professor, Art History, Athens School of Fine Arts.
<br>>
<br>> <a href="https://www.leonardo.info/led/4685">https://www.leonardo.info/led/4685</a>
<br>>
<br>> <a href="http://www.asfa.gr/assimina-kaniari">http://www.asfa.gr/assimina-kaniari</a>
<br>>
<br>> Publications
<br>>
<br>> Acts of Seeing Artists, Scientists and the History of the Visual : A Volume Dedicated to Martin Kemp
<br>>
<br>> Assimina Kaniari, Marina Wallace, Martin Kemp
<br>>
<br>> Institutional Critique to Hospitality: Bio Art Practice Now. A critical anthology
<br>>
<br>> Assimina Kaniari (editor)
<br>>
<br>> Grigori Publications
<br>>
<br>> 2017
<br>>
<br>> <a href="http://suzanneanker.com/wp-content/uploads/02.pdf">http://suzanneanker.com/wp-content/uploads/02.pdf</a>
<br>>
<br>> <a href="https://www.leonardo.info/review/2017/09/review-of-institutional-critique-to-hospitality-and-open-science-singularity-and">https://www.leonardo.info/review/2017/09/review-of-institutional-critique-to-hospitality-and-open-science-singularity-and</a>
<br>>
<br>> Review of Susan Merril Squier's Epigenetic Landscapes: Drawings as Metaphor, Leonardo.
<br>>
<br>> <a href="https://www.leonardo.info/review/2020/08/epigenetic-landscapes-drawings-as-metaphor">https://www.leonardo.info/review/2020/08/epigenetic-landscapes-drawings-as-metaphor</a>
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<br>Dear Yasminers,
<br>
<br>Happy to read the description of such a great topic.
<br>
<br>The idea is not absurd at all -- through us, the shared microbiome is
<br>already voting.... >>>> ( from the description sent ---
<br>"We are working him as part of initiatives to mitigate climate change,
<br>> the absurd idea of giving plants the right to vote- the first step is a
<br>citizen science project where YOU can
<br>> poll the plants around you and 'represent' them
<br>> in this yasmin discussion)
<br>
<br>Best,
<br>Clarissa
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<br>> Dear Roger,
<br>>
<br>> This sounds certainly an amazing topic.
<br>> It can totally become Nomadic for sure.
<br>>
<br>> The last laser in Bellinzona was presented in the parc of a museum and
<br>> under a big tree. The trees come from around the world and we evoked the
<br>> idea of nomad trees.
<br>>
<br>> All the best
<br>> Luca
<br>>
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<br>> On Tue, 25 May 2021 at 11:01, <<a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions-request@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions-request@ntlab.gr</a>> wrote:
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<br>> > Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 12:51:34 -0500
<br>> > From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <<a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>>
<br>> > To: <a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>, Jonathon Keats
<br>> > <<a href="mailto:jonathonkeats@gmail.com">jonathonkeats@gmail.com</a>>, Czegledy <<a href="mailto:czegledy@interlog.com">czegledy@interlog.com</a>>
<br>> > Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] proposed yasmin discussions; should we ,
<br>> > could we give plants the right to vote
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<br>> > yasminers
<br>> >
<br>> > nina czegledy and fomenting a yasmin discussion with jonathon keats
<br>> > Jonathon Keats is a conceptual artist and experimental philosopher[1]
<br>> > known for creating large-scale thought experiments. Keats was born in
<br>> > New York City and studied philosophy at Amherst College.[2] He now
<br>> > lives in San Francisco and Italy.[3]
<br>> > \
<br>> > his latest provocation is part of his THE FUTURE DEMOCRACIES
<br>> > LABORATORY: AUTOMATED GOVERNMENT PROTOTYPING SYSTEM
<br>> > <a href="https://projects.cadre.sjsu.edu/democracyproject/index.html">https://projects.cadre.sjsu.edu/democracyproject/index.html</a>
<br>> > The Future Democracies Laboratory is a research space dedicated to the
<br>> > investigation of methodologies and technologies for collective
<br>> > decision-making. Directed by experimental philosopher Jonathon Keats,
<br>> > in collaboration with San Jos? State University students and CADRE
<br>> > faculty Rhonda Holberton and Steve Durie, the transdisciplinary
<br>> > laboratory hosts an open-source software platform for rapidly modeling
<br>> > and testing democratic systems.
<br>> >
<br>> > We are working him as part of initiatives to mitigate climate change,
<br>> > the absurd idea of giving plants the right
<br>> > to vote- the first step is a citizen science project where YOU can
<br>> > poll the plants around you and 'represent' them
<br>> > in this yasmin discussion
<br>> >
<br>> > I am currently 'polling" plants in dallas and so far have discovered
<br>> that:
<br>> > a) i notice more unhappy people than unhappy plants- why cant dallas
<br>> > provide all humans a minimum annual income-
<br>> > as they do to plants who are watered and clipped and planted by the
<br>> > city for free.
<br>> > b) i dont know how to know whether a plant is 'happy' and my son
<br>> > xavier said i was projecting
<br>> > on plants things that are desirable to humans ( eg happiness) instead
<br>> > of asking plants what THEY desire
<br>> >
<br>> > If anyone would like to help us organise this discussion contact nina
<br>> and I
<br>> > via rmalina@ <a href="http://alum.mit.edu">alum.mit.edu</a> and <a href="mailto:czegledyn@gmail.com">czegledyn@gmail.com</a>
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> >
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<br>> > Message: 2
<br>> > Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 13:07:01 -0500
<br>> > From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <<a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>>
<br>> > To: <a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>, Jonathon Keats
<br>> > <<a href="mailto:jonathonkeats@gmail.com">jonathonkeats@gmail.com</a>>, Czegledy <<a href="mailto:czegledy@interlog.com">czegledy@interlog.com</a>>,
<br>> > roger
<br>> > malina <<a href="mailto:rmalina@alum.mit.edu">rmalina@alum.mit.edu</a>>
<br>> > Cc: Abdessamad EL MONTASSIR <<a href="mailto:elmontassir.abdessamad@gmail.com">elmontassir.abdessamad@gmail.com</a>>, Elen
<br>> > Nas <<a href="mailto:313nnas@gmail.com">313nnas@gmail.com</a>>, Guillermo Mu?oz <
<br>> <a href="mailto:m.m.guillermo@gmail.com">m.m.guillermo@gmail.com</a>
<br>> > >,
<br>> > Dimitris Charitos <<a href="mailto:vedesign@otenet.gr">vedesign@otenet.gr</a>>, Jo?o Silveira
<br>> > <<a href="mailto:joaoarteciencia@gmail.com">joaoarteciencia@gmail.com</a>>
<br>> > Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] proposed yasmin discussions; should
<br>> > we , could we give plants the right to vote
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<br>> > elen abdessamad
<br>> > thanks for agreeing to participate on the yasmin discussion
<br>> > let by jonathon keats, details below
<br>> > subscribe to the discussion list using the info at the end
<br>> > perhaps you could send the list a paragraph about yourself
<br>> > and the foci of your research
<br>> >
<br>> > luca guillermo- i wonder if we could make this discussion 'nomadic "?
<br>> >
<br>> > roger malina
<br>> >
<br>> > to join yasmin discussion go to:
<br>> > <a href="https://ntlab.gr/mailman/roster/yasmin_discussions_ntlab.gr">https://ntlab.gr/mailman/roster/yasmin_discussions_ntlab.gr</a>
<br>> > <a href="https://ntlab.gr/mailman/roster/yasmin_discussions_ntlab.gr">https://ntlab.gr/mailman/roster/yasmin_discussions_ntlab.gr</a>
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> > roger
<br>> >
<br>> > Roger in Dallas, please phone/txt/ +15108532007 if urgent
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> > On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 12:51 PM roger malina <<a href="mailto:rmalina@alum.mit.edu">rmalina@alum.mit.edu</a>>
<br>> > wrote:
<br>> > >
<br>> > > yasminers
<br>> > >
<br>> > > nina czegledy and fomenting a yasmin discussion with jonathon keats
<br>> > > Jonathon Keats is a conceptual artist and experimental philosopher[1]
<br>> > > known for creating large-scale thought experiments. Keats was born in
<br>> > > New York City and studied philosophy at Amherst College.[2] He now
<br>> > > lives in San Francisco and Italy.[3]
<br>> > > \
<br>> > > his latest provocation is part of his THE FUTURE DEMOCRACIES
<br>> > > LABORATORY: AUTOMATED GOVERNMENT PROTOTYPING SYSTEM
<br>> > > <a href="https://projects.cadre.sjsu.edu/democracyproject/index.html">https://projects.cadre.sjsu.edu/democracyproject/index.html</a>
<br>> > > The Future Democracies Laboratory is a research space dedicated to the
<br>> > > investigation of methodologies and technologies for collective
<br>> > > decision-making. Directed by experimental philosopher Jonathon Keats,
<br>> > > in collaboration with San Jos? State University students and CADRE
<br>> > > faculty Rhonda Holberton and Steve Durie, the transdisciplinary
<br>> > > laboratory hosts an open-source software platform for rapidly modeling
<br>> > > and testing democratic systems.
<br>> > >
<br>> > > We are working him as part of initiatives to mitigate climate change,
<br>> > > the absurd idea of giving plants the right
<br>> > > to vote- the first step is a citizen science project where YOU can
<br>> > > poll the plants around you and 'represent' them
<br>> > > in this yasmin discussion
<br>> > >
<br>> > > I am currently 'polling" plants in dallas and so far have discovered
<br>> > that:
<br>> > > a) i notice more unhappy people than unhappy plants- why cant dallas
<br>> > > provide all humans a minimum annual income-
<br>> > > as they do to plants who are watered and clipped and planted by the
<br>> > > city for free.
<br>> > > b) i dont know how to know whether a plant is 'happy' and my son
<br>> > > xavier said i was projecting
<br>> > > on plants things that are desirable to humans ( eg happiness) instead
<br>> > > of asking plants what THEY desire
<br>> > >
<br>> > > If anyone would like to help us organise this discussion contact nina
<br>> > and I
<br>> > > via rmalina@ <a href="http://alum.mit.edu">alum.mit.edu</a> and <a href="mailto:czegledyn@gmail.com">czegledyn@gmail.com</a>
<br>> >
<br>> >
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<br>> >
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<br>> >
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<br>Message: 2
<br>Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 12:16:43 +0200
<br>From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <<a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>>
<br>To: <a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>
<br>Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] PLANT COMMUNICATION - Antonio Irre - Re:
<br> Yasmin_discussions Digest, Vol 40, Issue 3
<br>Message-ID:
<br> <<a href="mailto:mailman.11.1622219358.12969.yasmin_discussions_ntlab.gr@ntlab.gr">mailman.11.1622219358.12969.yasmin_discussions_ntlab.gr@ntlab.gr</a>>
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<br>Hello everybody,
<br>
<br>it sounds like a very interesting project, Roger and Nina please let me
<br>know how I can help in this!
<br>
<br>Talking to plants is my current artistic approach, I made an
<br>installation/relational device which allows to ask questions to plants ("If you
<br>could talk to me, what would you like to ask me?", 2016) and now in an
<br>ongoing project called PLart, with SLU university in Uppsala (also yasminer
<br>Pier Luigi Capucci is involved) More info:
<br><a href="https://antonioirre.com/plart-project/">https://antonioirre.com/plart-project/</a>
<br><<a href="https://antonioirre.com/plart-project/">https://antonioirre.com/plart-project/</a>>
<br>
<br>Interspecies communication is technically possible, but the question that
<br>Roger's son did got the point: "reasoning" schemes and intelligence could
<br>be very different. Anyway, since we are all bunches of cells trying to
<br>survive, I think there are some soft, delicate spots of possible connection,
<br>
<br>Greetings
<br>A.
<br>
<br>--
<br>
<br>*Antonio Irre Catalano | artist, researcher, cultural designer*
<br>*T.* (+39) 349.4262775 - *W. *<a href="https://antonioirre.com">https://antonioirre.com</a>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>Il giorno ven 28 mag 2021 alle ore 11:03 <
<br><a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions-request@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions-request@ntlab.gr</a>> ha scritto:
<br>
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<br>>
<br>> 1. Re: Yasmin_discussions Digest, Vol 40, Issue 1
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<br>> Message: 1
<br>> Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 07:54:37 +0200
<br>> From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <<a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>>
<br>> To: <a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>
<br>> Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Yasmin_discussions Digest, Vol 40,
<br>> Issue 1
<br>> Message-ID:
<br>> <<a href="mailto:mailman.8.1622128266.12969.yasmin_discussions_ntlab.gr@ntlab.gr">mailman.8.1622128266.12969.yasmin_discussions_ntlab.gr@ntlab.gr</a>>
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<br>> Dear Roger,
<br>>
<br>> This sounds certainly an amazing topic.
<br>> It can totally become Nomadic for sure.
<br>>
<br>> The last laser in Bellinzona was presented in the parc of a museum and
<br>> under a big tree. The trees come from around the world and we evoked the
<br>> idea of nomad trees.
<br>>
<br>> All the best
<br>> Luca
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> On Tue, 25 May 2021 at 11:01, <<a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions-request@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions-request@ntlab.gr</a>> wrote:
<br>>
<br>> > Send Yasmin_discussions mailing list submissions to
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<br>> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
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<br>> >
<br>> > Today's Topics:
<br>> >
<br>> > 1. proposed yasmin discussions; should we , could we give plants
<br>> > the right to vote (YASMIN DISCUSSIONS)
<br>> > 2. Re: proposed yasmin discussions; should we , could we give
<br>> > plants the right to vote (YASMIN DISCUSSIONS)
<br>> >
<br>> >
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<br>> >
<br>> > Message: 1
<br>> > Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 12:51:34 -0500
<br>> > From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <<a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>>
<br>> > To: <a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>, Jonathon Keats
<br>> > <<a href="mailto:jonathonkeats@gmail.com">jonathonkeats@gmail.com</a>>, Czegledy <<a href="mailto:czegledy@interlog.com">czegledy@interlog.com</a>>
<br>> > Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] proposed yasmin discussions; should we ,
<br>> > could we give plants the right to vote
<br>> > Message-ID:
<br>> > <<a href="mailto:mailman.1.1621879166.12969.yasmin_discussions_ntlab.gr@ntlab.gr">mailman.1.1621879166.12969.yasmin_discussions_ntlab.gr@ntlab.gr</a>
<br>> >
<br>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
<br>> >
<br>> > yasminers
<br>> >
<br>> > nina czegledy and fomenting a yasmin discussion with jonathon keats
<br>> > Jonathon Keats is a conceptual artist and experimental philosopher[1]
<br>> > known for creating large-scale thought experiments. Keats was born in
<br>> > New York City and studied philosophy at Amherst College.[2] He now
<br>> > lives in San Francisco and Italy.[3]
<br>> > \
<br>> > his latest provocation is part of his THE FUTURE DEMOCRACIES
<br>> > LABORATORY: AUTOMATED GOVERNMENT PROTOTYPING SYSTEM
<br>> > <a href="https://projects.cadre.sjsu.edu/democracyproject/index.html">https://projects.cadre.sjsu.edu/democracyproject/index.html</a>
<br>> > The Future Democracies Laboratory is a research space dedicated to the
<br>> > investigation of methodologies and technologies for collective
<br>> > decision-making. Directed by experimental philosopher Jonathon Keats,
<br>> > in collaboration with San Jos? State University students and CADRE
<br>> > faculty Rhonda Holberton and Steve Durie, the transdisciplinary
<br>> > laboratory hosts an open-source software platform for rapidly modeling
<br>> > and testing democratic systems.
<br>> >
<br>> > We are working him as part of initiatives to mitigate climate change,
<br>> > the absurd idea of giving plants the right
<br>> > to vote- the first step is a citizen science project where YOU can
<br>> > poll the plants around you and 'represent' them
<br>> > in this yasmin discussion
<br>> >
<br>> > I am currently 'polling" plants in dallas and so far have discovered
<br>> that:
<br>> > a) i notice more unhappy people than unhappy plants- why cant dallas
<br>> > provide all humans a minimum annual income-
<br>> > as they do to plants who are watered and clipped and planted by the
<br>> > city for free.
<br>> > b) i dont know how to know whether a plant is 'happy' and my son
<br>> > xavier said i was projecting
<br>> > on plants things that are desirable to humans ( eg happiness) instead
<br>> > of asking plants what THEY desire
<br>> >
<br>> > If anyone would like to help us organise this discussion contact nina
<br>> and I
<br>> > via rmalina@ <a href="http://alum.mit.edu">alum.mit.edu</a> and <a href="mailto:czegledyn@gmail.com">czegledyn@gmail.com</a>
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> > ------------------------------
<br>> >
<br>> > Message: 2
<br>> > Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 13:07:01 -0500
<br>> > From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <<a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>>
<br>> > To: <a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>, Jonathon Keats
<br>> > <<a href="mailto:jonathonkeats@gmail.com">jonathonkeats@gmail.com</a>>, Czegledy <<a href="mailto:czegledy@interlog.com">czegledy@interlog.com</a>>,
<br>> > roger
<br>> > malina <<a href="mailto:rmalina@alum.mit.edu">rmalina@alum.mit.edu</a>>
<br>> > Cc: Abdessamad EL MONTASSIR <<a href="mailto:elmontassir.abdessamad@gmail.com">elmontassir.abdessamad@gmail.com</a>>, Elen
<br>> > Nas <<a href="mailto:313nnas@gmail.com">313nnas@gmail.com</a>>, Guillermo Mu?oz <
<br>> <a href="mailto:m.m.guillermo@gmail.com">m.m.guillermo@gmail.com</a>
<br>> > >,
<br>> > Dimitris Charitos <<a href="mailto:vedesign@otenet.gr">vedesign@otenet.gr</a>>, Jo?o Silveira
<br>> > <<a href="mailto:joaoarteciencia@gmail.com">joaoarteciencia@gmail.com</a>>
<br>> > Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] proposed yasmin discussions; should
<br>> > we , could we give plants the right to vote
<br>> > Message-ID:
<br>> > <<a href="mailto:mailman.2.1621886940.12969.yasmin_discussions_ntlab.gr@ntlab.gr">mailman.2.1621886940.12969.yasmin_discussions_ntlab.gr@ntlab.gr</a>
<br>> >
<br>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
<br>> >
<br>> > elen abdessamad
<br>> > thanks for agreeing to participate on the yasmin discussion
<br>> > let by jonathon keats, details below
<br>> > subscribe to the discussion list using the info at the end
<br>> > perhaps you could send the list a paragraph about yourself
<br>> > and the foci of your research
<br>> >
<br>> > luca guillermo- i wonder if we could make this discussion 'nomadic "?
<br>> >
<br>> > roger malina
<br>> >
<br>> > to join yasmin discussion go to:
<br>> > <a href="https://ntlab.gr/mailman/roster/yasmin_discussions_ntlab.gr">https://ntlab.gr/mailman/roster/yasmin_discussions_ntlab.gr</a>
<br>> > <a href="https://ntlab.gr/mailman/roster/yasmin_discussions_ntlab.gr">https://ntlab.gr/mailman/roster/yasmin_discussions_ntlab.gr</a>
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> > roger
<br>> >
<br>> > Roger in Dallas, please phone/txt/ +15108532007 if urgent
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> > On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 12:51 PM roger malina <<a href="mailto:rmalina@alum.mit.edu">rmalina@alum.mit.edu</a>>
<br>> > wrote:
<br>> > >
<br>> > > yasminers
<br>> > >
<br>> > > nina czegledy and fomenting a yasmin discussion with jonathon keats
<br>> > > Jonathon Keats is a conceptual artist and experimental philosopher[1]
<br>> > > known for creating large-scale thought experiments. Keats was born in
<br>> > > New York City and studied philosophy at Amherst College.[2] He now
<br>> > > lives in San Francisco and Italy.[3]
<br>> > > \
<br>> > > his latest provocation is part of his THE FUTURE DEMOCRACIES
<br>> > > LABORATORY: AUTOMATED GOVERNMENT PROTOTYPING SYSTEM
<br>> > > <a href="https://projects.cadre.sjsu.edu/democracyproject/index.html">https://projects.cadre.sjsu.edu/democracyproject/index.html</a>
<br>> > > The Future Democracies Laboratory is a research space dedicated to the
<br>> > > investigation of methodologies and technologies for collective
<br>> > > decision-making. Directed by experimental philosopher Jonathon Keats,
<br>> > > in collaboration with San Jos? State University students and CADRE
<br>> > > faculty Rhonda Holberton and Steve Durie, the transdisciplinary
<br>> > > laboratory hosts an open-source software platform for rapidly modeling
<br>> > > and testing democratic systems.
<br>> > >
<br>> > > We are working him as part of initiatives to mitigate climate change,
<br>> > > the absurd idea of giving plants the right
<br>> > > to vote- the first step is a citizen science project where YOU can
<br>> > > poll the plants around you and 'represent' them
<br>> > > in this yasmin discussion
<br>> > >
<br>> > > I am currently 'polling" plants in dallas and so far have discovered
<br>> > that:
<br>> > > a) i notice more unhappy people than unhappy plants- why cant dallas
<br>> > > provide all humans a minimum annual income-
<br>> > > as they do to plants who are watered and clipped and planted by the
<br>> > > city for free.
<br>> > > b) i dont know how to know whether a plant is 'happy' and my son
<br>> > > xavier said i was projecting
<br>> > > on plants things that are desirable to humans ( eg happiness) instead
<br>> > > of asking plants what THEY desire
<br>> > >
<br>> > > If anyone would like to help us organise this discussion contact nina
<br>> > and I
<br>> > > via rmalina@ <a href="http://alum.mit.edu">alum.mit.edu</a> and <a href="mailto:czegledyn@gmail.com">czegledyn@gmail.com</a>
<br>> >
<br>> >
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<br>> > _______________________________________________
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<br>> > ------------------------------
<br>> >
<br>> > End of Yasmin_discussions Digest, Vol 40, Issue 1
<br>> > *************************************************
<br>> >
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<br>>
<br>> *Luca Forcucci <<a href="https://linktr.ee/lucaforcucci">https://linktr.ee/lucaforcucci</a>>*
<br>>
<br>> *New Podcast*
<br>> Matt Black / Coldcut-Ninja Tunes <<a href="http://www.ubqtlab.org">http://www.ubqtlab.org</a>>
<br>>
<br>> *Next Events*
<br>> 17.5.2021 Universitat Polytecnica de Valencia / Spain (Lecture + Concert)
<br>> 18.5.2021 Universitat Polytecnica de Valencia / Spain (Art & Science Talk)
<br>> <<a href="https://www.leonardo.info/civicrm/event/info?reset=1&id=640">https://www.leonardo.info/civicrm/event/info?reset=1&id=640</a>>
<br>>
<br>> <<a href="https://ubqtlab.org/">https://ubqtlab.org/</a>>
<br>> *New Albums*
<br>> De Rerum Natura
<br>> <<a href="https://lucaforcucci.bandcamp.com/album/de-rerum-natura">https://lucaforcucci.bandcamp.com/album/de-rerum-natura</a>>
<br>> Released by LFO Editions
<br>> <<a href="https://lucaforcucci.bandcamp.com/album/de-rerum-natura">https://lucaforcucci.bandcamp.com/album/de-rerum-natura</a>>
<br>>
<br>> *New Paper*
<br>> Deep Listening to the Amazon Rainforest through Sonic Architectures
<br>> <<a href="https://www.mitpressjournals.org/doi/abs/10.1162/lmj_a_01090?mobileUi=0">https://www.mitpressjournals.org/doi/abs/10.1162/lmj_a_01090?mobileUi=0</a>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> <<a href="https://thewrong.org/voices-in-the-ether">https://thewrong.org/voices-in-the-ether</a>>
<br>> <<a href="http://verylarge.works/">http://verylarge.works/</a>>
<br>>
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<br>Dear Roger,
<br>
<br>This sounds certainly an amazing topic.
<br>It can totally become Nomadic for sure.
<br>
<br>The last laser in Bellinzona was presented in the parc of a museum and
<br>under a big tree. The trees come from around the world and we evoked the
<br>idea of nomad trees.
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<br>All the best
<br>Luca
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<br>> 1. proposed yasmin discussions; should we , could we give plants
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<br>> Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 12:51:34 -0500
<br>> From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <<a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>>
<br>> To: <a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>, Jonathon Keats
<br>> <<a href="mailto:jonathonkeats@gmail.com">jonathonkeats@gmail.com</a>>, Czegledy <<a href="mailto:czegledy@interlog.com">czegledy@interlog.com</a>>
<br>> Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] proposed yasmin discussions; should we ,
<br>> could we give plants the right to vote
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<br>> yasminers
<br>>
<br>> nina czegledy and fomenting a yasmin discussion with jonathon keats
<br>> Jonathon Keats is a conceptual artist and experimental philosopher[1]
<br>> known for creating large-scale thought experiments. Keats was born in
<br>> New York City and studied philosophy at Amherst College.[2] He now
<br>> lives in San Francisco and Italy.[3]
<br>> \
<br>> his latest provocation is part of his THE FUTURE DEMOCRACIES
<br>> LABORATORY: AUTOMATED GOVERNMENT PROTOTYPING SYSTEM
<br>> <a href="https://projects.cadre.sjsu.edu/democracyproject/index.html">https://projects.cadre.sjsu.edu/democracyproject/index.html</a>
<br>> The Future Democracies Laboratory is a research space dedicated to the
<br>> investigation of methodologies and technologies for collective
<br>> decision-making. Directed by experimental philosopher Jonathon Keats,
<br>> in collaboration with San Jos? State University students and CADRE
<br>> faculty Rhonda Holberton and Steve Durie, the transdisciplinary
<br>> laboratory hosts an open-source software platform for rapidly modeling
<br>> and testing democratic systems.
<br>>
<br>> We are working him as part of initiatives to mitigate climate change,
<br>> the absurd idea of giving plants the right
<br>> to vote- the first step is a citizen science project where YOU can
<br>> poll the plants around you and 'represent' them
<br>> in this yasmin discussion
<br>>
<br>> I am currently 'polling" plants in dallas and so far have discovered that:
<br>> a) i notice more unhappy people than unhappy plants- why cant dallas
<br>> provide all humans a minimum annual income-
<br>> as they do to plants who are watered and clipped and planted by the
<br>> city for free.
<br>> b) i dont know how to know whether a plant is 'happy' and my son
<br>> xavier said i was projecting
<br>> on plants things that are desirable to humans ( eg happiness) instead
<br>> of asking plants what THEY desire
<br>>
<br>> If anyone would like to help us organise this discussion contact nina and I
<br>> via rmalina@ <a href="http://alum.mit.edu">alum.mit.edu</a> and <a href="mailto:czegledyn@gmail.com">czegledyn@gmail.com</a>
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<br>> Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 13:07:01 -0500
<br>> From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <<a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>>
<br>> To: <a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>, Jonathon Keats
<br>> <<a href="mailto:jonathonkeats@gmail.com">jonathonkeats@gmail.com</a>>, Czegledy <<a href="mailto:czegledy@interlog.com">czegledy@interlog.com</a>>,
<br>> roger
<br>> malina <<a href="mailto:rmalina@alum.mit.edu">rmalina@alum.mit.edu</a>>
<br>> Cc: Abdessamad EL MONTASSIR <<a href="mailto:elmontassir.abdessamad@gmail.com">elmontassir.abdessamad@gmail.com</a>>, Elen
<br>> Nas <<a href="mailto:313nnas@gmail.com">313nnas@gmail.com</a>>, Guillermo Mu?oz <<a href="mailto:m.m.guillermo@gmail.com">m.m.guillermo@gmail.com</a>
<br>> >,
<br>> Dimitris Charitos <<a href="mailto:vedesign@otenet.gr">vedesign@otenet.gr</a>>, Jo?o Silveira
<br>> <<a href="mailto:joaoarteciencia@gmail.com">joaoarteciencia@gmail.com</a>>
<br>> Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] proposed yasmin discussions; should
<br>> we , could we give plants the right to vote
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<br>> elen abdessamad
<br>> thanks for agreeing to participate on the yasmin discussion
<br>> let by jonathon keats, details below
<br>> subscribe to the discussion list using the info at the end
<br>> perhaps you could send the list a paragraph about yourself
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<br>> luca guillermo- i wonder if we could make this discussion 'nomadic "?
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<br>> roger malina
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<br>> roger
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<br>> Roger in Dallas, please phone/txt/ +15108532007 if urgent
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<br>> On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 12:51 PM roger malina <<a href="mailto:rmalina@alum.mit.edu">rmalina@alum.mit.edu</a>>
<br>> wrote:
<br>> >
<br>> > yasminers
<br>> >
<br>> > nina czegledy and fomenting a yasmin discussion with jonathon keats
<br>> > Jonathon Keats is a conceptual artist and experimental philosopher[1]
<br>> > known for creating large-scale thought experiments. Keats was born in
<br>> > New York City and studied philosophy at Amherst College.[2] He now
<br>> > lives in San Francisco and Italy.[3]
<br>> > \
<br>> > his latest provocation is part of his THE FUTURE DEMOCRACIES
<br>> > LABORATORY: AUTOMATED GOVERNMENT PROTOTYPING SYSTEM
<br>> > <a href="https://projects.cadre.sjsu.edu/democracyproject/index.html">https://projects.cadre.sjsu.edu/democracyproject/index.html</a>
<br>> > The Future Democracies Laboratory is a research space dedicated to the
<br>> > investigation of methodologies and technologies for collective
<br>> > decision-making. Directed by experimental philosopher Jonathon Keats,
<br>> > in collaboration with San Jos? State University students and CADRE
<br>> > faculty Rhonda Holberton and Steve Durie, the transdisciplinary
<br>> > laboratory hosts an open-source software platform for rapidly modeling
<br>> > and testing democratic systems.
<br>> >
<br>> > We are working him as part of initiatives to mitigate climate change,
<br>> > the absurd idea of giving plants the right
<br>> > to vote- the first step is a citizen science project where YOU can
<br>> > poll the plants around you and 'represent' them
<br>> > in this yasmin discussion
<br>> >
<br>> > I am currently 'polling" plants in dallas and so far have discovered
<br>> that:
<br>> > a) i notice more unhappy people than unhappy plants- why cant dallas
<br>> > provide all humans a minimum annual income-
<br>> > as they do to plants who are watered and clipped and planted by the
<br>> > city for free.
<br>> > b) i dont know how to know whether a plant is 'happy' and my son
<br>> > xavier said i was projecting
<br>> > on plants things that are desirable to humans ( eg happiness) instead
<br>> > of asking plants what THEY desire
<br>> >
<br>> > If anyone would like to help us organise this discussion contact nina
<br>> and I
<br>> > via rmalina@ <a href="http://alum.mit.edu">alum.mit.edu</a> and <a href="mailto:czegledyn@gmail.com">czegledyn@gmail.com</a>
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<br>Dear Yasminers,
<br>
<br>I'm actually writing a new book and I'm searching for people who belong to
<br>the social sciences, (psychology, anthropologies, social science,
<br>ethnography, etc) and are doing any kind of art production. Is anyone here
<br>working on that? or does anyone here know about some case who can share?
<br>
<br>If anyone knows please write me to <a href="mailto:ignacio.nieto@ug.uchile.cl">ignacio.nieto@ug.uchile.cl</a>
<br>
<br>
<br>El mar, 25 may 2021 a las 5:04, <<a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions-request@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions-request@ntlab.gr</a>>
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<br>> From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <<a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>>
<br>> To: <a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>, Jonathon Keats
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<br>> yasminers
<br>>
<br>> nina czegledy and fomenting a yasmin discussion with jonathon keats
<br>> Jonathon Keats is a conceptual artist and experimental philosopher[1]
<br>> known for creating large-scale thought experiments. Keats was born in
<br>> New York City and studied philosophy at Amherst College.[2] He now
<br>> lives in San Francisco and Italy.[3]
<br>> \
<br>> his latest provocation is part of his THE FUTURE DEMOCRACIES
<br>> LABORATORY: AUTOMATED GOVERNMENT PROTOTYPING SYSTEM
<br>> <a href="https://projects.cadre.sjsu.edu/democracyproject/index.html">https://projects.cadre.sjsu.edu/democracyproject/index.html</a>
<br>> The Future Democracies Laboratory is a research space dedicated to the
<br>> investigation of methodologies and technologies for collective
<br>> decision-making. Directed by experimental philosopher Jonathon Keats,
<br>> in collaboration with San Jos? State University students and CADRE
<br>> faculty Rhonda Holberton and Steve Durie, the transdisciplinary
<br>> laboratory hosts an open-source software platform for rapidly modeling
<br>> and testing democratic systems.
<br>>
<br>> We are working him as part of initiatives to mitigate climate change,
<br>> the absurd idea of giving plants the right
<br>> to vote- the first step is a citizen science project where YOU can
<br>> poll the plants around you and 'represent' them
<br>> in this yasmin discussion
<br>>
<br>> I am currently 'polling" plants in dallas and so far have discovered that:
<br>> a) i notice more unhappy people than unhappy plants- why cant dallas
<br>> provide all humans a minimum annual income-
<br>> as they do to plants who are watered and clipped and planted by the
<br>> city for free.
<br>> b) i dont know how to know whether a plant is 'happy' and my son
<br>> xavier said i was projecting
<br>> on plants things that are desirable to humans ( eg happiness) instead
<br>> of asking plants what THEY desire
<br>>
<br>> If anyone would like to help us organise this discussion contact nina and I
<br>> via rmalina@ <a href="http://alum.mit.edu">alum.mit.edu</a> and <a href="mailto:czegledyn@gmail.com">czegledyn@gmail.com</a>
<br>>
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<br>> Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 13:07:01 -0500
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<br>> To: <a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>, Jonathon Keats
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<br>> roger
<br>> malina <<a href="mailto:rmalina@alum.mit.edu">rmalina@alum.mit.edu</a>>
<br>> Cc: Abdessamad EL MONTASSIR <<a href="mailto:elmontassir.abdessamad@gmail.com">elmontassir.abdessamad@gmail.com</a>>, Elen
<br>> Nas <<a href="mailto:313nnas@gmail.com">313nnas@gmail.com</a>>, Guillermo Mu?oz <<a href="mailto:m.m.guillermo@gmail.com">m.m.guillermo@gmail.com</a>
<br>> >,
<br>> Dimitris Charitos <<a href="mailto:vedesign@otenet.gr">vedesign@otenet.gr</a>>, Jo?o Silveira
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<br>> roger
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<br>> Roger in Dallas, please phone/txt/ +15108532007 if urgent
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<br>> On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 12:51 PM roger malina <<a href="mailto:rmalina@alum.mit.edu">rmalina@alum.mit.edu</a>>
<br>> wrote:
<br>> >
<br>> > yasminers
<br>> >
<br>> > nina czegledy and fomenting a yasmin discussion with jonathon keats
<br>> > Jonathon Keats is a conceptual artist and experimental philosopher[1]
<br>> > known for creating large-scale thought experiments. Keats was born in
<br>> > New York City and studied philosophy at Amherst College.[2] He now
<br>> > lives in San Francisco and Italy.[3]
<br>> > \
<br>> > his latest provocation is part of his THE FUTURE DEMOCRACIES
<br>> > LABORATORY: AUTOMATED GOVERNMENT PROTOTYPING SYSTEM
<br>> > <a href="https://projects.cadre.sjsu.edu/democracyproject/index.html">https://projects.cadre.sjsu.edu/democracyproject/index.html</a>
<br>> > The Future Democracies Laboratory is a research space dedicated to the
<br>> > investigation of methodologies and technologies for collective
<br>> > decision-making. Directed by experimental philosopher Jonathon Keats,
<br>> > in collaboration with San Jos? State University students and CADRE
<br>> > faculty Rhonda Holberton and Steve Durie, the transdisciplinary
<br>> > laboratory hosts an open-source software platform for rapidly modeling
<br>> > and testing democratic systems.
<br>> >
<br>> > We are working him as part of initiatives to mitigate climate change,
<br>> > the absurd idea of giving plants the right
<br>> > to vote- the first step is a citizen science project where YOU can
<br>> > poll the plants around you and 'represent' them
<br>> > in this yasmin discussion
<br>> >
<br>> > I am currently 'polling" plants in dallas and so far have discovered
<br>> that:
<br>> > a) i notice more unhappy people than unhappy plants- why cant dallas
<br>> > provide all humans a minimum annual income-
<br>> > as they do to plants who are watered and clipped and planted by the
<br>> > city for free.
<br>> > b) i dont know how to know whether a plant is 'happy' and my son
<br>> > xavier said i was projecting
<br>> > on plants things that are desirable to humans ( eg happiness) instead
<br>> > of asking plants what THEY desire
<br>> >
<br>> > If anyone would like to help us organise this discussion contact nina
<br>> and I
<br>> > via rmalina@ <a href="http://alum.mit.edu">alum.mit.edu</a> and <a href="mailto:czegledyn@gmail.com">czegledyn@gmail.com</a>
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<br>Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 12:51:34 -0500
<br>From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <<a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>>
<br>To: <a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>, Jonathon Keats
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<br>yasminers
<br>
<br>nina czegledy and fomenting a yasmin discussion with jonathon keats
<br>Jonathon Keats is a conceptual artist and experimental philosopher[1]
<br>known for creating large-scale thought experiments. Keats was born in
<br>New York City and studied philosophy at Amherst College.[2] He now
<br>lives in San Francisco and Italy.[3]
<br>\
<br>his latest provocation is part of his THE FUTURE DEMOCRACIES
<br>LABORATORY: AUTOMATED GOVERNMENT PROTOTYPING SYSTEM
<br><a href="https://projects.cadre.sjsu.edu/democracyproject/index.html">https://projects.cadre.sjsu.edu/democracyproject/index.html</a>
<br>The Future Democracies Laboratory is a research space dedicated to the
<br>investigation of methodologies and technologies for collective
<br>decision-making. Directed by experimental philosopher Jonathon Keats,
<br>in collaboration with San Jos? State University students and CADRE
<br>faculty Rhonda Holberton and Steve Durie, the transdisciplinary
<br>laboratory hosts an open-source software platform for rapidly modeling
<br>and testing democratic systems.
<br>
<br>We are working him as part of initiatives to mitigate climate change,
<br>the absurd idea of giving plants the right
<br>to vote- the first step is a citizen science project where YOU can
<br>poll the plants around you and 'represent' them
<br>in this yasmin discussion
<br>
<br>I am currently 'polling" plants in dallas and so far have discovered that:
<br>a) i notice more unhappy people than unhappy plants- why cant dallas
<br>provide all humans a minimum annual income-
<br>as they do to plants who are watered and clipped and planted by the
<br>city for free.
<br>b) i dont know how to know whether a plant is 'happy' and my son
<br>xavier said i was projecting
<br>on plants things that are desirable to humans ( eg happiness) instead
<br>of asking plants what THEY desire
<br>
<br>If anyone would like to help us organise this discussion contact nina and I
<br>via rmalina@ <a href="http://alum.mit.edu">alum.mit.edu</a> and <a href="mailto:czegledyn@gmail.com">czegledyn@gmail.com</a>
<br>
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<br>Message: 2
<br>Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 13:07:01 -0500
<br>From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <<a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>>
<br>To: <a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>, Jonathon Keats
<br> <<a href="mailto:jonathonkeats@gmail.com">jonathonkeats@gmail.com</a>>, Czegledy <<a href="mailto:czegledy@interlog.com">czegledy@interlog.com</a>>, roger
<br> malina <<a href="mailto:rmalina@alum.mit.edu">rmalina@alum.mit.edu</a>>
<br>Cc: Abdessamad EL MONTASSIR <<a href="mailto:elmontassir.abdessamad@gmail.com">elmontassir.abdessamad@gmail.com</a>>, Elen
<br> Nas <<a href="mailto:313nnas@gmail.com">313nnas@gmail.com</a>>, Guillermo Mu?oz <<a href="mailto:m.m.guillermo@gmail.com">m.m.guillermo@gmail.com</a>>,
<br> Dimitris Charitos <<a href="mailto:vedesign@otenet.gr">vedesign@otenet.gr</a>>, Jo?o Silveira
<br> <<a href="mailto:joaoarteciencia@gmail.com">joaoarteciencia@gmail.com</a>>
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<br>elen abdessamad
<br>thanks for agreeing to participate on the yasmin discussion
<br>let by jonathon keats, details below
<br>subscribe to the discussion list using the info at the end
<br>perhaps you could send the list a paragraph about yourself
<br>and the foci of your research
<br>
<br>luca guillermo- i wonder if we could make this discussion 'nomadic "?
<br>
<br>roger malina
<br>
<br>to join yasmin discussion go to:
<br><a href="https://ntlab.gr/mailman/roster/yasmin_discussions_ntlab.gr">https://ntlab.gr/mailman/roster/yasmin_discussions_ntlab.gr</a>
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<br>roger
<br>
<br>Roger in Dallas, please phone/txt/ +15108532007 if urgent
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 12:51 PM roger malina <<a href="mailto:rmalina@alum.mit.edu">rmalina@alum.mit.edu</a>> wrote:
<br>>
<br>> yasminers
<br>>
<br>> nina czegledy and fomenting a yasmin discussion with jonathon keats
<br>> Jonathon Keats is a conceptual artist and experimental philosopher[1]
<br>> known for creating large-scale thought experiments. Keats was born in
<br>> New York City and studied philosophy at Amherst College.[2] He now
<br>> lives in San Francisco and Italy.[3]
<br>> \
<br>> his latest provocation is part of his THE FUTURE DEMOCRACIES
<br>> LABORATORY: AUTOMATED GOVERNMENT PROTOTYPING SYSTEM
<br>> <a href="https://projects.cadre.sjsu.edu/democracyproject/index.html">https://projects.cadre.sjsu.edu/democracyproject/index.html</a>
<br>> The Future Democracies Laboratory is a research space dedicated to the
<br>> investigation of methodologies and technologies for collective
<br>> decision-making. Directed by experimental philosopher Jonathon Keats,
<br>> in collaboration with San Jos? State University students and CADRE
<br>> faculty Rhonda Holberton and Steve Durie, the transdisciplinary
<br>> laboratory hosts an open-source software platform for rapidly modeling
<br>> and testing democratic systems.
<br>>
<br>> We are working him as part of initiatives to mitigate climate change,
<br>> the absurd idea of giving plants the right
<br>> to vote- the first step is a citizen science project where YOU can
<br>> poll the plants around you and 'represent' them
<br>> in this yasmin discussion
<br>>
<br>> I am currently 'polling" plants in dallas and so far have discovered that:
<br>> a) i notice more unhappy people than unhappy plants- why cant dallas
<br>> provide all humans a minimum annual income-
<br>> as they do to plants who are watered and clipped and planted by the
<br>> city for free.
<br>> b) i dont know how to know whether a plant is 'happy' and my son
<br>> xavier said i was projecting
<br>> on plants things that are desirable to humans ( eg happiness) instead
<br>> of asking plants what THEY desire
<br>>
<br>> If anyone would like to help us organise this discussion contact nina and I
<br>> via rmalina@ <a href="http://alum.mit.edu">alum.mit.edu</a> and <a href="mailto:czegledyn@gmail.com">czegledyn@gmail.com</a>
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<br> 2. yasmine died but has been resuscitated-lets revitalise it
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<br>Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2021 23:27:03 -0700
<br>From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <<a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>>
<br>To: <a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>
<br>Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] following the current discussion with
<br> great interest
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<br>Dear Yasminers,
<br>
<br>It is with great interest that I am following the current
<br>discussion, which is rapidly evolving in the face of the
<br>planet-wide shocks of 2020, and in which we are now talking
<br> -- with some justification! -- about pirates and Phoenicians !!!
<br>(My brother claims that our Smith ancestors in Wales mated
<br>with Phoenician traders !!!)
<br>
<br>My own contribution to these attempts to keep our
<br>gyro-compasses stabilized is to announce that, as a follow-on
<br>to our "machine" special issues, MDPI has approved our
<br>proposal for a Review of Machine Art (!!!) -- see the text
<br>( <a href="http://www.space-machines.com/9_March_2021.pdf">http://www.space-machines.com/9_March_2021.pdf</a> ) of our
<br>announcement for more details -- and so we will now be able
<br>to go beyond theoretical considerations and actually provide
<br>some of the much-needed feedback on which creative types
<br>thrive (and hopefully feedback of an informed variety !!!).
<br>
<br>Or in other words -- and more to the point of the current
<br>Yasmin dialog -- we are "in the mix!"; i.e., if you know of a
<br>researcher who is contemplating a review of your work, or if
<br>you yourself have been contemplating a review of some
<br>worthy techno-artist or art/science collaborative -- and there
<br>needs to be some in-depth treatment in respect to both
<br>technical means and artistic motivation -- we would love
<br>to get a proposal ( title + abstract).
<br>
<br>And we have already heard, via alternate channels, from
<br>Salvatore and Amy !!!
<br>
<br>Regards,
<br>Glenn
<br><a href="mailto:gsmith@space-machines.com">gsmith@space-machines.com</a>
<br>
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<br>Message: 2
<br>Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 14:42:57 -0500
<br>From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <<a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>>
<br>To: <a href="mailto:yasmin_announcements@ntlab.gr">yasmin_announcements@ntlab.gr</a>, <a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>,
<br> Dimitris Charitos <<a href="mailto:vedesign@otenet.gr">vedesign@otenet.gr</a>>
<br>Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] yasmine died but has been
<br> resuscitated-lets revitalise it
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<br>colleagues
<br>as you may not have noticed the yasmin system died during the peak
<br>of the pandemic
<br>
<br>many of you announced events that are now past- we apologise
<br>please start sending ideas and events to yasminers
<br>
<br>thank you dimitris charitos and colleagues in greece for your
<br>persistence and resilience
<br>
<br>and perhaps we are entering slowly a new desirable future-
<br>unfortunately some of us are still in an undesirable local condition
<br>
<br>most of my friends and colleagues have not yet been vaccinated-
<br>i am lucky/privileged to be in a place that is now vaccinating daily
<br>
<br>
<br>Roger in Dallas, please phone/txt/ +15108532007 if urgent
<br>
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<br>Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 10:45:56 +0200
<br>From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <<a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>>
<br>To: roger malina <<a href="mailto:rmalina@alum.mit.edu">rmalina@alum.mit.edu</a>>
<br>Cc: <a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>, <a href="mailto:yasmin_announcements@ntlab.gr">yasmin_announcements@ntlab.gr</a>,
<br> Salvatore Iaconesi <<a href="mailto:salvatore.iaconesi@he-r.it">salvatore.iaconesi@he-r.it</a>>, Oriana Persico
<br> <<a href="mailto:oriana.persico@he-r.it">oriana.persico@he-r.it</a>>
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<br>dear all,
<br>and thank you Roger for using our article to continue the discussion
<br>
<br>We have taken some time in answering, because things are moving fast and
<br>slowly at the same time.
<br>
<br>in fact, we are closed in our lockdowns (Italy is all a red zone, in
<br>practice, while we wait for large parts of the population to be
<br>administered vaccines), with our borders limited to our homes, markets to
<br>buy food, travel only for work or medical conditions, and screens for
<br>everything else. The only allowed dimensions are consumption, production
<br>and platform-mediated communication (and yet more consumption).
<br>
<br>Our accessible (and imaginable?) spaces get so small that behaviours become
<br>repetitive and hallucinogenic, so much that the perception of time quickly
<br>becomes distorted: an instantaneous recursive eternity.
<br>
<br>In all this, enormous quantities of data are being produced.
<br>
<br>Was it you, Roger, who was saying "what will we do with all this data''?
<br>With these billions of hours of streaming, talks, lessons, birthday video
<br>calls, new forms of remote sensualities, online suicides, homicides, remote
<br>love declarations, declarations of independence, consumptions, and who
<br>knows what else.
<br>Surely it was someone on the list.
<br>
<br>Most of them will go to waste: part of the ecological disaster of
<br>computation and data-centers, consuming energy and producing CO2 for the
<br>benefit of non-humans such as legal and computational identities.
<br>
<br>When we say that "data is the new oil" we have already assumed a non-human
<br>stance. First we have extracted oil from the environment , now data is
<br>being extracted from humans and from the environment to support these legal
<br>and computational identities to thrive.
<br>We're always talking about layers upon layers of environmental disaster (as
<br>the environment also does include data and computation, not only plants,
<br>animals...) and, more generally, ecosystemic disaster.
<br>
<br>Where disaster means dis-aster, without stars, like at sea when you don't
<br>see constellations: you cannot orient yourself, you get lost, you die.
<br>
<br>Today there are more and different stars we can use to orient ourselves.
<br>
<br>GPS and communication satellites are literally in the sky, and, in the best
<br>tradition of astrology, they do influence your future: you get lost, don't
<br>find love, find work and success through them. Entire parts of your world
<br>change through them, transforming the landscape, cities, natures you walk
<br>in and your relationships, even if you don't use them directly, just
<br>because they are in the environment.
<br>
<br>Even more, in one way or another, even if indirectly, you work for these
<br>new astral bodies, whether they are in the sky, on the ground or below, in
<br>the scorching heat of data-caves, which sometimes are amidst the ices, di
<br>mitigate the needs for constant artificial cooling.
<br>
<br>This is the time of computation.
<br>
<br>In all this mess, the Computational own time. These Agents ? whom we work
<br>for, producing data with every gesture of our lives ? control the flow of
<br>time.
<br>
<br>They are the only ones who are able to Contemplate. Con-template: with
<br>time. They sit there and meditate, looking at our data, like they could
<br>look at infinite, dissonant, massively polyphonic mantras, looking for some
<br>mysterious recurring patterns that can be identified: knowledge! Which they
<br>can replicate or simulate or cause with their computational bodies, breaths
<br>and minds: new forms of inhuman yoga, pranayama and performative
<br>visualization, like in yoga nidra.
<br>
<br>Synchronizing with the world, and even simulating it, up to creating the
<br>conditions for making it happen, one business model at the time, for the
<br>prosperity of these new life forms. Who are not AIs, in a banal
<br>transhumanist vision, or in a vision of the singularity, according to which
<br>it will be the rise of a new form of "One".
<br>
<br>No. It will be a system, like we are not one. We are all the macro and
<br>micro organisms that form our lives, in all their simultaneous harmonies
<br>and dissonances.
<br>
<br>This calls for a New Living, Nuovo Abitare, which describes a new biology
<br>and a new ecology.
<br>
<br>Just like aerobic and photosynthetic prokaryotes, eukaryotes, then
<br>mitochondrions, then chloroplasts etc assembled into each other forming new
<br>entities, we can imagine finding new forms of "we", between humans,
<br>computational, legal, plant, animal, viruses and bacteria of many types of
<br>different biologies (can we imagine a world in which millions of types of
<br>info-bacteria contrast disinformation, re-establishing our psychological
<br>and relational health, included into our microbiome?)
<br>
<br>Where do we start from?
<br>
<br>As it has been in the remote past, we're starting in the micro.
<br>
<br>We are currently looking for a Hotel as the headquarter of this new
<br>research center for Nuovo Abitare. Here scientists, researchers, artists,
<br>engineers, philosophers, psychologists... will come and go, some will stay,
<br>from evolution cycle into evolution cycle. Even before the Hotel, we have
<br>already started in disseminated ways: a queer community AI in a
<br>multicultural neighbourhood in Rome
<br><<a href="https://www.qtimes.it/?p=when-my-child-is-ai-learning-and-experiencing-through-ai-outside-the-school-the-experiences-of-a-community-ai">https://www.qtimes.it/?p=when-my-child-is-ai-learning-and-experiencing-through-ai-outside-the-school-the-experiences-of-a-community-ai</a>>;
<br>researchers, people, a river and its ecosystem, data and computation in
<br>Palermo <<a href="https://www.he-r.it/u-datinos-united-by-data-on-the-oreto-river/">https://www.he-r.it/u-datinos-united-by-data-on-the-oreto-river/</a>>;
<br>Data
<br>Meditations <<a href="https://www.he-r.it/project/data-meditations/">https://www.he-r.it/project/data-meditations/</a>>; plants and AIs
<br>that fall in love <<a href="https://www.he-r.it/project/antitesi/">https://www.he-r.it/project/antitesi/</a>>; and more.
<br>
<br>Slowly (or quickly, depending on the forms of the disaster) we will crawl
<br>together :)
<br>
<br>Thank you!
<br>Salvatore
<br>
<br>On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 9:43 AM roger malina <<a href="mailto:rmalina@alum.mit.edu">rmalina@alum.mit.edu</a>> wrote:
<br>
<br>> yasminer colleagues but in particular frieder slavatore klaus ernest
<br>>
<br>> i would like to pick up the discussion on how the world of research centers
<br>> may change after the pandemic- i append salvatore iaconesi's article
<br>> with oriana persico and daniele bucci
<br>> on creating a research center in todays society
<br>>
<br>> ernest emphasised the role of peoples homes as being overlooked in the
<br>> history of ideas, and it
<br>> seems the pandemic has re injected their importance- its a fact in
<br>> complex systems that the larger
<br>> it is ( eg universities) the less reactive/adaptive it can be. The
<br>> pandemic has perhaps demonstrated
<br>> this as more of us work in our home studios and home offices rather
<br>> than in the university facilites
<br>>
<br>> yes many catastrophes in human history, pandemics etc, have sometimes
<br>> led to a variety of desirable
<br>> consequences, eg the Re-Naissance. So maybe yasminers can take the
<br>> lead in revitalising yasmin
<br>> as part of a network of independent non university research labs ?
<br>>
<br>> roger malina
<br>> here is salvatore and colleagues article
<br>>
<br>> salvatore Iaconesi and Oriana Persico (1, 2, 3), Daniele Bucci (4)
<br>>
<br>> <a href="mailto:salvatore.iaconesi@he-r.it">salvatore.iaconesi@he-r.it</a>, <a href="mailto:oriana.persico@he-r.it">oriana.persico@he-r.it</a>
<br>>
<br>> Creating a research center in today's society
<br>>
<br>> Data, AI, territories, communities, knowledge and rituals for a New Living
<br>>
<br>> Salvatore Iaconesi and Oriana Persico (1, 2, 3), Daniele Bucci (4)
<br>>
<br>> <a href="mailto:salvatore.iaconesi@he-r.it">salvatore.iaconesi@he-r.it</a>, <a href="mailto:oriana.persico@he-r.it">oriana.persico@he-r.it</a>
<br>>
<br>> Affiliations:
<br>>
<br>> Founders of the ?HER: She Loves Data? research center
<br>>
<br>> Founders of AOS ? Art is Open Source
<br>>
<br>> Visiting professors Aalborg University, Department of Architecture,
<br>> Design and Media Technology
<br>>
<br>> Designer, researcher and facilitator
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Abstract english:
<br>>
<br>> What is a research center? How does its role change in the age of data
<br>> and computation? The article describes the theoretical and conceptual
<br>> foundations that in 2020 led to the redesign of the research center
<br>> HER - Human Ecosystems Relations, founded in 2013 by the artist duo
<br>> Salvatore Iaconesi and Oriana Persico, to create a new type of
<br>> organization capable of positioning research at the center of society,
<br>> using art as a strategy and data to create sensitivities toward the
<br>> complex phenomena of our globalized and hyper-connected world - from
<br>> climate change, to migration to poverty. HER: she Loves Data, the new
<br>> organization whose model is described, assumes as its main mission the
<br>> creation of the Archive of Rituals of the New Living, embracing data
<br>> and computation as existential and cultural boundaries of contemporary
<br>> human beings and societies.
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Keyword english:
<br>>
<br>> Research, Knowledge, Education, Participation, Sociology of Science,
<br>> Anthropology of Science, Technology, Data, Computation, Artificial
<br>> Intelligence,
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Introduction
<br>>
<br>> Our society has radically changed during the last few years, and we
<br>> did as well. Our intimacy and the ways we spend time together have
<br>> changed. The ways in which we communicate and relate. The ways in
<br>> which we perceive the world, try to understand it and deal with it.
<br>> The ways in which we learn and interact, and in which we share our
<br>> knowledge and information.
<br>>
<br>> We are now in a globalized (Beck, 1997) and hyperconnected (Shaviro,
<br>> 2003) world.
<br>>
<br>> The existences of human beings and of the rest of the environment and
<br>> its actors (animals, plants, microorganisms, the rest of the
<br>> biosphere, but also actors with legal personality and computational
<br>> actors) are increasingly in close and intricate relationships with
<br>> each other, organized into interconnected processes, which can be
<br>> considered separately only at the cost of not being able to deal with
<br>> the complexity that is required for their governance (Di Felice,
<br>> 2019).
<br>>
<br>> Our existences and our lives depend on ? and are increasingly mediated
<br>> by ? data and computation: our Onlives (Floridi, 2014b) and are
<br>> increasingly connected to the infosphere in which we are immersed (
<br>> Floridi, 2014a).
<br>>
<br>> The phenomena we experience can take place anywhere and anytime in the
<br>> world: they roam the entire planet and beyond (eg.: the images and
<br>> data coming from our human devices on other planets, or in space). To
<br>> be able to experience these phenomena and to deal with them, means
<br>> interacting with enormous quantities and qualities of data and
<br>> computation.
<br>>
<br>> But the current data and computing industries are extractive
<br>> industries. Like all extractive phenomena of our present and past,
<br>> they have serious implications for the environment, society, rights,
<br>> democracies, freedoms, and the ways in which technologies can be used
<br>> to exert power over us, our bodies and our psyche. (Iaconesi, 2017)
<br>>
<br>> If, on the one hand, we find ourselves forced to continuous protective
<br>> actions (privacy, censorship, algorithmic biases), on the other hand
<br>> we need enormous quantities and qualities of data and computation in
<br>> order to exist on the planet. (Iaconesi, Persico, 2019a)
<br>>
<br>> This is a tragic condition our times, whose two aspects pull in
<br>> dramatically different directions, disorienting us. Let?s just think
<br>> about, in the current pandemics, about data, which is simultaneously
<br>> used to violate us and to save us, in a classical Double Bind
<br>> constraint. There seems to be no exclusively technical solutions to
<br>> this tragic condition, and the ways of dealing with it are positioned
<br>> in the nexus of Science, Technology, Art, Design, Psychology,
<br>> Philosophy, Society. (Iaconesi, Persico, 2016b)
<br>>
<br>> A different type of need emerges: to reposition ourselves in a novel
<br>> cosmology, along an epistemological evolution, to achieve new
<br>> possibile experiences and performances in our ecologies. The
<br>> opportunity for these transformations come from new possible alliances
<br>> with computational agents: not extractive anymore, but generative,
<br>> with us.
<br>>
<br>> These new alliances must be designed: ecologically, in society and in
<br>> the environment we inhabit.
<br>>
<br>> To do this, we have started to research a possible evolution of what
<br>> we now would call ?research center?, to study and reinvent the rituals
<br>> which we take part in to live on our planet.
<br>>
<br>> This article tells the story of this process, to try to invent such a
<br>> new form of research center: HER: She Loves Data.
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Towards a Theory of Research Centers in Contemporary Society
<br>>
<br>> In the Treccani encyclopedia a ?research center? is defined as that
<br>> ?organism or entity that promotes research and coordinates studies
<br>> about specific topics?. In Wikipedia ?a research institute (or
<br>> research center) is an organization created on purpose to operate and
<br>> to promote research in one or more fields of science?.
<br>>
<br>> These definitions presume that the scientific ?professions? and
<br>> ?methods? are concrete entities that are already well present and
<br>> positioned in our society. But ?research center? is a recent concept
<br>> in human history, although various places of a more remote human past
<br>> already had these characteristics.
<br>>
<br>> Bayt al-?ikmah (??? ???????), for example, the House of Wisdom, also
<br>> known as Baghdad Great Library ? an important intellectual center in
<br>> the city during the Abbasid caliphate in the golden islamic age in the
<br>> VIII century ?, closely resembles a research center: it hosted and
<br>> translated the most advanced research of those times; it produced
<br>> original contributions through its residents in medicine, surgery,
<br>> alchemy, physics, mathematics, astrology, paper production,
<br>> philosophy, literature; and it hosted large research infrastructures,
<br>> like the astronomical observatories.
<br>>
<br>> To find more structured entities we have to proceed along the years,
<br>> arriving at the scientific revolution after the Renaissance and, then,
<br>> throughout the XVIII century with Illuminism: London?s Royal Society
<br>> in 1660 and the Acad?mie Royale des Sciences in France, in 1666.
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Romanticism, as a reaction to Illuminism, saw the rise of Schelling?s
<br>> Naturphilosophie; the study of cosmologies and cosmogonies; the new
<br>> science of biology; the investigation of conscious and unconscious
<br>> mental states, and of what was ?normal? and ?abnormal?; the study of
<br>> the secret forces of nature, such as electricity, magnetism,
<br>> galvanism. Goethe?s observation countered Newton?s works on optics.
<br>>
<br>> Science mutated in this way according to opposing cycles of
<br>> transformation and evolution, also changing the ways in which human
<br>> beings formed relationships in scientific research, organizing it.
<br>>
<br>> After Romanticism, the evolution of science and of its positioning in
<br>> society and in our psychology passed through the Industrial
<br>> Revolutions, World Wars, XX century?s Globalization and the Digital
<br>> Revolution in the beginning of the XXI century.
<br>>
<br>> Each of these periods has its own characteristics which resonate in
<br>> their cultures, for example through literature?s and cinema?s monsters
<br>> and characters of the different times: Dracula and steam; Frankenstein
<br>> and the forces of electricity and of life; Charlie Chaplin, first with
<br>> industry and then with the Great World Wars. With Zombies a peculiar
<br>> transformation arrives: daily lives and ordinary human beings become
<br>> the monsters, in the shopping center, with consumerism and
<br>> Globalization. Information Society brings the monster of Artificial
<br>> Intelligences and computation in general.
<br>>
<br>> Floridi?s (2014a) 4 revolutions resonate the same concept: the social
<br>> positions and geometries of sciences transform. The illuminist
<br>> character of the copernican revolution dismantles the anthropocentric
<br>> understanding of the universe. Romanticism?s reconnection with Nature
<br>> gives Darwin the opportunity to bring human beings and animals closer
<br>> together in the process of natural selection. Freud decrees the end of
<br>> the integrity of human being ? divided between conscious and
<br>> unconscious ? between the Industrial Revolutions and the Great World
<br>> Wars.
<br>>
<br>> From the great wars to the Digital Revolution, Turing shows how
<br>> intelligence is not only human.
<br>>
<br>> Each of these revolutions bring new conceptual instruments which can
<br>> be used to understand ourselves and the world we live in, and we can
<br>> use them in science, philosophy, art, and in all the other disciplines
<br>> and their interconnections.
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> In this scenario, the observation of the current conditions of
<br>> humanity and of the planet ? hyperconnected, globalized and, thus,
<br>> fully pervaded by complex issues at all levels of society and of the
<br>> environment ? gives us a hint about what these new instruments and
<br>> concepts for these times are: data and computation.
<br>>
<br>> Infact, the availability of enormous quantities and qualities of data
<br>> ? and of the computation which needed to collect, process, represent
<br>> and interpret them ? is the necessary ? but not sufficient ? condition
<br>> to be able to know, to experience and to be able to confront with
<br>> complex issues such as climate change, health, poverty, education and
<br>> the other planetary issues which we face (for example with United
<br>> Nations? Sustainable Development Goals).
<br>>
<br>> Thus, it is not entirely wrong to affirm that our survival on planet
<br>> earth is connected to data and computation, that
<br>>
<br>> Non ? quindi sbagliato affermare che la nostra sopravvivenza sul
<br>> pianeta ? connessa a dati e computazione, which in fact are
<br>> transformed: they move from being technical matter, becoming an
<br>> existential one.
<br>>
<br>> On top of that, data are characterized by tensions and paradoxes:
<br>>
<br>> They are the protagonists of the largest extractive phenomenon on our
<br>> planet and, as such, they live in separation: they are extracted from
<br>> our existence, our bodies, our behaviours and from the environment,
<br>> and they are used in laboratories, industries, and in the governance
<br>> of their processes.
<br>>
<br>> They come in enormous quantities, qualities and interconnections.
<br>> Counting them is not interesting anymore, as it brings small
<br>> differentiation. On the contrary, the possibility to discover forms
<br>> and recurring patterns in them and in their interconnections brings
<br>> enormous value, as it enables governance of complex phenomena. This is
<br>> the role of Artificial Intelligence.
<br>>
<br>> They are presented as objective, indisputable truths. ?Data says
<br>> this.? As such, they are used to enact rigid, lineas, industrial
<br>> procedures that are not able to deal with the extreme diversities of
<br>> human beings, biology, environments, cultures and their relations.
<br>> Instead, it is true that data are highly ideological entities. To be
<br>> able to measure a phenomenon, we must first construct an ideology
<br>> about how the phenomenon can be measured, about what are the important
<br>> things to be measured, and how, through which variables, parameters,
<br>> expressions, and using which sensors and practices. The equation
<br>> according to which data is supposed to be a measure of a certain
<br>> phenomenon is in itself a complex phenomenon which does not have a
<br>> single, or simple, or linear answer. Ecosystems? complexity can be
<br>> dealt with through the coexistence of multiple perspectives, not
<br>> through consensus or through those mono-cultures that, for whatever
<br>> reason, is dominant or hegemonic at a certain time.
<br>>
<br>> To be able to have the availability of many types of different data ?
<br>> about people, behaviours, processes, environment, biology, culture,
<br>> etx ? a tragic paradox takes form:
<br>>
<br>> On the one hand, a protective modality is needed (for example through
<br>> privacy laws), to defend people?s rights and liberties, their health,
<br>> environment, information, education, and so on.
<br>>
<br>> On the other hand, data must be freely accessible and usable in
<br>> enormous quantities and qualities, to be able to confront the complex
<br>> issues that put our existence at risk (the recent issues of the
<br>> COVID19 pandemic are striking proof of this).
<br>>
<br>> This is a tragic condition: it has no solution. At least none in the
<br>> sense of a univocal, technical one. This is a type of problem that
<br>> cannot be addressed in an exclusively engineering sense. This type of
<br>> problem is of an existential and cultural type, and to face it it is
<br>> necessary to have the possibility of dealing with systems that allow
<br>> paradox, incompleteness, indeterminacy, presence / absence,
<br>> relationship and all its consequences.
<br>>
<br>> Therefore, an idea of Science in Society is needed that is capable of
<br>> adopting the approaches, methods and tools of Philosophy, Psychology,
<br>> Art and Culture among its strategies, not as a mere ornament. The
<br>> research centers that carry out this type of science should therefore
<br>> have a geometry and a very different structure from the current ones:
<br>> both internal and in the relationship with society and the
<br>> environment. is able to adopt the approaches, methods and tools of
<br>> Philosophy, Psychology, Art and Culture among its strategies, not as
<br>> mere ornament. The research centers that carry out this type of
<br>> science should therefore have a geometry and a very different
<br>> structure from the current ones: both internal and in the relationship
<br>> to society and the environment.
<br>>
<br>> Sociologia della Scienza e Antropologia della Scienza
<br>>
<br>> Engelbart (1968) stated:
<br>>
<br>> ?Though the primary research goal is to develop principles of analysis
<br>> and design so as to understand how to augment human capability,
<br>> choosing the researchers themselves as subjects yields as valuable
<br>> secondary benefit a system tailored to help develop complex
<br>> computer-based systems. This "bootstrap" group has the interesting
<br>> (recursive) assignment of developing tools and techniques to make it
<br>> more effective at carrying out its assignment. Its tangible product is
<br>> a developing augmentation system to provide increased capability for
<br>> developing and studying augmentation systems.?
<br>>
<br>> This type of bootstrap process is very interesting, and one can
<br>> imagine making active protagonists not only researchers, but also
<br>> students, publics, organizations and institutions, so as to obtain an
<br>> inclusive and participatory that brings in from the very beginning the
<br>> collaboration of more actors in society or in the organization.
<br>>
<br>> Disciplines such as Sociology and Anthropology of Science can help us
<br>> to design organisms whose life is the complex result of the lives of
<br>> so many different types of actors.
<br>>
<br>> Sociology of Science studies the socio-cultural processes that are
<br>> constitutive of scientific systems, as well as its interactions with
<br>> other systems like schools, institutions, innovations, industry,
<br>> territories.
<br>>
<br>> This influences:
<br>>
<br>> the choices of the subjects of research;
<br>>
<br>> the conceptual models of research, and the vision of the world which
<br>> is a direct result of scientific conceptualization, observation,
<br>> analysis and communication:
<br>>
<br>> the internal and external objectives of research;
<br>>
<br>> And the pragmatic domains of research, which describe what it means to
<br>> ?research?, in terms of the socially recognized practices.
<br>>
<br>> Anthropology of Science uses a different approach, which is expressed,
<br>> for example, in Bruno Latour?s ways of looking at it: observing
<br>> science ?in action? is very different from observing science?s ?black
<br>> boxes?, because we can attribute a role to it only when we are able to
<br>> explore its dynamic history, contents, evolutions and relations
<br>> (Latour, 1987).
<br>>
<br>> Applying the methods of Anthropology and Ethnography to Science allows
<br>> to reconstruct the cultural, symbolic and psychological dynamics, as
<br>> well as the dynamics of the boundaries of collaboration and conflict,
<br>> by dedicating attention to those actors that play roles in these
<br>> dynamics and in their implications, together with ?information about
<br>> sources of funding, the career backgrounds of participants, the
<br>> citation patterns in the relevant literature, the nature and origins
<br>> of instrumentation and so on.? (Latour, Woolgar, 1986, 278)
<br>>
<br>> The objective is to dive into the ecology of nature/society (Latour,
<br>> 2015), to participate in science (Latour, 1990) according to varying
<br>> arrangements, which correspond to a diversity of epistemological
<br>> approaches.
<br>>
<br>> If ?ecology [...] is not the irruption of nature in public space, but
<br>> the end of Nature as a concept which is capable of synthesizing our
<br>> relationship with the world, and of pacificating it? (Latour, 2015,
<br>> 50?51), then all the actors of the whole nature/society, in their
<br>> incredible diversity ? between human, non human, legal, computational
<br>> ? ? must be considered as potentially active and interactive actors
<br>> (and, thus, significative) in science, according to recurring patterns
<br>> and forms that we must learn to recognise: the new cosmologies of
<br>> science.
<br>>
<br>> The case of ?HER: She Loves Data?
<br>>
<br>> HER: She Loves Data (in the following: HER), is a small, private
<br>> research center which in its first version was founded in London in
<br>> 2013, under the name of HE ? Human Ecosystems. The occasion for its
<br>> creation was provided by the possibility of exploiting the
<br>> intellectual property for a technological platform by the same name
<br>> that had been created in an EU project of the FP7 programme of the
<br>> European Commission. Human Ecosystem (both software and research
<br>> center) was born as a platform which was able to collect large
<br>> quantities of data from the social major social network in those times
<br>> (Twitter, Facebook, Instagram) so that they could be used in
<br>> territorial and community analysis and in citizen science projects.
<br>>
<br>> These large scale data collection processes has a few peculiarities:
<br>>
<br>> They formed commons, that is a resource that could be used in common
<br>> by researchers and communities only after having established
<br>> relationships and codes between the two about this usage; this was
<br>> part of the methodology, and it was applied through the software
<br>> platforms; (Iaconesi and Persico, 2016b)
<br>>
<br>> They contributed to shaping the cultural processes that took place
<br>> among the members of the communities together with researchers,
<br>> technologists, artists, designers, educators, organizations and
<br>> institutions; these data were used in workshops, near future
<br>> design/speculative design participatory processes, and collaborative
<br>> processes of policy design;
<br>>
<br>> The results of these processes assumes aesthetic and communicational
<br>> forms, such as works of art, data visualizations, interactive and
<br>> immersive interfaces, which composed the Realtime Museum of the City,
<br>> which was a place that was created and whose content was produced
<br>> through the practices of participation in the city/territory, by
<br>> representing the needs, desires, expectations and imaginaries of the
<br>> communities under the form of cultural artifacts;
<br>>
<br>> The strategic and operative model of this type of operation lay its
<br>> foundation on the possibility to use data to capture the essence the
<br>> Relational Ecosystems (among people, organizations, institutions,
<br>> devices, services and the environment), and to use computation to
<br>> analyze and represent it, by describing interactions, exchanges,
<br>> communications, so that precise and inclusive interventions could not
<br>> only be designed, but imagined in the first place.
<br>>
<br>> This methodology was called Digital Urban Acupuncture, DUA (Iaconesi
<br>> and Persico, 2016b).
<br>>
<br>> DUA?s conceptualization requires the design of two concepts that
<br>> contribute to the idea of data and computation as pervasive entities
<br>> of nature/society that are in existential relationship with all
<br>> actors, human and non-human:
<br>>
<br>> The Third Infoscape, which is composed by the myriads of
<br>> micro-histories that are generated by small agglomerations of data,
<br>> information, images, articles and reactions, taken into account in the
<br>> irreducible complexity and richness of interactions; Third Infoscale
<br>> cannot be describes in terms of the simple geometries, but only
<br>> according to the myriads of the sub-narratives which emerge from all
<br>> these data, information and interactions; (Iaconesi, 2017)
<br>>
<br>> Ubiquitous Commons, which is a cultural, technological, social and
<br>> legal protocol according to which the identities of the actors of
<br>> ecosystems can have different modalities ? individual, anonymous,
<br>> collective, temporary, transitive and remixes of these ?; in the
<br>> ecosystems that are composed by the relations and interactions among
<br>> human and non human actors (such as buildings, companies, territories,
<br>> forests?), it becomes, thus, possible for these types of identities to
<br>> generate data (eg: the data which a condo building can produce, a
<br>> territory, a forest, an event?), to self-represent themselves, as in
<br>> an autobiography; in a similar way it is possible to attribute access
<br>> to these data to different identities (eg: to the researchers of a
<br>> certain research project, or to an organization). (Iaconesi and
<br>> Persico, 2015)
<br>>
<br>> In 2016, HE changed to HER ? Human Ecosystems Relazioni ? as it moved
<br>> to Italy, taking its headquarters in Rome in the San Lorenzo, Pigneto
<br>> and Torpignattara neighbourhoods, both because of their multicultural
<br>> life and because of the concentration of designers, artists and of the
<br>> largest part of the city?s undergrounds and subcultures.
<br>>
<br>> This positioning in the city profoundly contributed to the idea of a
<br>> research center that does not live in the separation of the
<br>> laboratory, but, rather, that promotes a concept of science that is in
<br>> the dynamic center of society, and fully participates in it. This is
<br>> demonstrated by a series of permanent projects of the center:
<br>>
<br>> HER: She Loves San Lorenzo, a festival of arts, data and artificial
<br>> intelligence in which the entire neighbourhood transforms into an art
<br>> exhibition whose artworks are created through data and AI, and where
<br>> the mechants, the baristas, and the other inhabitants of the
<br>> neighbourhood transform themselves into the curators and narrators of
<br>> the artworks in the exhibit, thus creating a diffused experience in
<br>> applied didactics which is highly effective;
<br>>
<br>> The Scuola di Quartiere di Arte, Dati e IA (Neighborhood School for
<br>> Arts, Data and AI); it emerged right after the first edition of the
<br>> festival and it uses the model of the carnival, in which the school
<br>> operates all year round to prepare the festival?s next edition; a
<br>> series of initiatives in which the inhabitants of the neighbourhood
<br>> transform themselves in the artists who are capable of creating the
<br>> works of art that are made using their own data, used not in
<br>> extractive mode, but in an autobiographical and self-representational
<br>> ways, which would be included in the exhibit; (Iaconesi, 2018a e
<br>> 2018b)
<br>>
<br>> IAQOS, Intelligenza Artificiale Open Source di Quartiere (Open Source
<br>> Neighbourhood Artificial Intelligence), a project in which the
<br>> Torpignattara neighbourhood saw the emergence of a new technological
<br>> infrastructure (AI, just like water, electricity and public transport
<br>> before it), under the form of a new, peculiar inhabitant of the
<br>> neighbourhood, young IAQOS; technology is not only a technical issue
<br>> anymore, and becomes an actor with which to relate, to negotiate
<br>> reality, to discuss and debate the world that each actor brings to the
<br>> community. (Iaconesi e Persico, 2019b)
<br>>
<br>> At the beginning of 2020, the COVID19 pandemic contributed to the
<br>> perception of the urgency of unveiling new forms of ?Science in
<br>> Nature/Society? that are able to engage human and non human actors,
<br>> and to explicitly avoid extractive processes, moving to process
<br>> centered on the concept of ?caring? (Iaconesi and Persico. 2016a),
<br>> defined as the possibility to perceive oneself not as a center, but as
<br>> one of the actors/performers of a human and non human
<br>> ecosystem/network that relate and interact. Moving away from
<br>> extraction, and towards ecology. Thus, HER: She Loves Data was born,
<br>> with its focus of bringing together Science, Technology (and
<br>> especially Data and Computation), Art and Nature/Society, to uncover
<br>> the Rituals of the New Living (Rituali del Nuovo Abitare).
<br>>
<br>> Methodology and Process
<br>>
<br>> The elements that are characteristic of the research center also give
<br>> shape to its processes. These are:
<br>>
<br>> The approach described in ?La Cura? (Iaconesi and Persico, 2016a),
<br>> which is a systemic-relational one; issues are never dealt with in a
<br>> way which is purely technical, but move along complex relational
<br>> networks, extending eventually to the whole of society; for example,
<br>> data and the research that uses them are never used solely in the
<br>> separation of the ?lab?, but are the object of multiple types of
<br>> relations, through different actors; art and design are a fundamental
<br>> part of this type of process.
<br>>
<br>> A non-extractive approach, according to which processes are not
<br>> designed to extract (data, value, knowledge?), but to generate, and
<br>> are intended as autobiographical and self-representational expressions
<br>> of the human and non-human actors involved.
<br>>
<br>> An approach which is not oriented to consensus, but, rather, to
<br>> coexistence. Processes are designed around the possibility of
<br>> compresence of conflicts, not on the idea of their final resolution
<br>> through forms of consensus.
<br>>
<br>> A Commons oriented approach, according to Elinor Ostrom?s definition
<br>> (1990), in which the commons is not only a certain resource pool, but
<br>> also the high quality relational ecosystem that is linked to it,
<br>> together with the fact that the ecosystem has a code which is used to
<br>> govern it.
<br>>
<br>> An human/non-human ecosystemic approach, according to which human
<br>> beings are not at the center of the ecosystem (as, for example, in
<br>> Human Centered Design), but, rather, part of complex relational
<br>> networks together with organizations, computational agents, other
<br>> actors in the biosphere, etc: Ecosystemic Design.
<br>>
<br>> A Near Future / Speculative Design approach, in which design is a
<br>> participatory practice and it is dedicated to the creation of future
<br>> scenarios, not only by looking through the lens of what is technically
<br>> possible, but also through the ones of what is desirable, preferable,
<br>> imaginable, or even paradoxical or mysterious, to reveal the
<br>> inconsistencies and the violences of our presents, exploring together
<br>> with society, critically and constructively.
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> The design of the research center is centered around a progressive
<br>> process which, step by step, valorizes the relations that manifest
<br>> themselves. At the same time, it is an open process, so that many
<br>> actors can take its elements and create conflicts around them, to
<br>> unveil ways for coexistence.
<br>>
<br>> The following sections describe the three phases of the design process.
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Creation of an inner circle
<br>>
<br>> The first phase takes place in a selected, curated community in which
<br>> the quality of relations, trust and mutual knowledge is outstanding.
<br>> It is tightly knit and interactions are frequent (once a week, with
<br>> assignments in-between). The objective is to design the initial
<br>> concept of the research center, its organizational and relational
<br>> dynamics, its themes, its aesthetics, the way in which it builds its
<br>> roots in a community; the outputs of this phase are listed below.
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Senses
<br>>
<br>> A set of multimedia narratives whose aim is to communicate the colors,
<br>> sensations, sounds and images of the research center in an immersive,
<br>> literary way.
<br>>
<br>> ?Stepping inside HER: She Loves Data, you find yourself immersed in a
<br>> small hydroponic forest. The life of the environment, and its relation
<br>> with humans generates data which we use to live better. HER: She Loves
<br>> Data generates food, well-being, health, communication and knowledge
<br>> to augment the capacity to inhabit both the analogue and digital
<br>> spheres, establishing relationships and connections between people,
<br>> communities, territories, organizations and institutions.
<br>>
<br>> Amidst the deep green of this forest ? which is, simultaneously,
<br>> architecture, environment, source of food and herbs, tool and
<br>> educational space used to learn and research the Rituals of the New
<br>> Living, between nature, art, science, technology, data and computation
<br>> ? you can see the reception, the spaces that are used to work, to live
<br>> experiences, have meetings, eat, rest, establishing bridges between
<br>> physical and digital dimensions.
<br>>
<br>> Further in that direction, along the intrigue of the small forest, are
<br>> the living quarters, the kitchens, the spaces for physical and digital
<br>> conviviality, where the two dimensions coexist and integrate with the
<br>> life of the research attractor and of its inhabitants.
<br>>
<br>> I wouldn?t be surprised to find out that there are some spaces that I
<br>> haven?t discovered yet.?
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Structure
<br>>
<br>> A set of diagrams is constantly kept updated to show the structure of
<br>> the research center.
<br>>
<br>> Image 1 ? the structure, in July 2020
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> In July 2020 the structure diagram?s report said:
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> ?HER: She Loves Data relates with Communities/Territories and with
<br>> Organisations/Companies/Institutions. These two parts are not
<br>> disjoint, and can work together.
<br>>
<br>> HER: She Loves Data is composed by a variable number of thematic
<br>> Communities of Practice (CoP, Lave and Wenger, 1991), focused around
<br>> health, learning, food, communication, organizations, and all the
<br>> research themes for which there will be researchers and organizations
<br>> that are willing to host the theme. CoPs can work together: health can
<br>> work with education, art can work with food, communication can work
<br>> with audience development, ect, in all combinations that form along
<br>> the way.
<br>>
<br>> CoPs can establish partnerships and have their clients, which compose
<br>> HER: She Loves Data?s relational ecosystem.
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> CoPs have the availability of a series of tools, methods and
<br>> infrastructures, with the basic first three elements will be:
<br>>
<br>> UC ? Ubiquitous Commons (Iaconesi and Persico, 2015), a
<br>> legal/technological/social protocol which is used to manage variable
<br>> forms of digital identity (individual, anonymous, collective,
<br>> temporary, transitive and remixes) using distributed, accessible
<br>> technologies, and its associated technical infrastructure. Through UC
<br>> data will be managed giving up the extractive paradigm, and adopting
<br>> the new autobiographical, self-representational one.
<br>>
<br>> NFD ? Near Future Design, the speculative design methodology, tools
<br>> and professional figures (designers, facilitators, researchers, etc),
<br>> which enables to work with communities, territories and ?tribes?
<br>> (online, for example); it is used to create participatory processes to
<br>> design near future scenarios which are able to trigger imagination,
<br>> communication, reflection and feedback, to the scenarios can be
<br>> transformed into products, services, objects in public space, schools,
<br>> offices, etc, going beyond what is ?technically possible? and arriving
<br>> at what is desirable, preferable, just.
<br>>
<br>> KNOW ? Knowledge Ecosystems, which is composed by a technical and
<br>> interactive infrastructure which can be used to collaboratively govern
<br>> and manage shared, interconnected knowledge; it contains the Archive
<br>> of the Rituals of the New Living, in which the practices in which
<br>> people, communities, companies, organizations and institutions use
<br>> data and computation to confront with complex needs are stored,
<br>> classified, organized, connected, studied and generated as new
<br>> research; CoPs, through their activity, enrich the Archive (with new
<br>> concepts, research, prototypes, code, case studies, works of art?), so
<br>> that other CoPs can use them.
<br>>
<br>> HER: She Loves Data?s infrastructure takes the name of Datapoiesis.
<br>>
<br>> A specific CoP (called Core CoP) is dedicated to the maintenance and
<br>> evolution of the infrastructure.
<br>>
<br>> Other CoPs which, over time, may have acquired specific importance in
<br>> the ecosystem, can evolve and become infrastructure.
<br>>
<br>> HER: She Loves Data can be replicated, and each replica does not
<br>> necessarily have the same evolution history as the others. Just like
<br>> in nature, an evolutionary diversity exists, and an instance in Italy
<br>> could be different from one in Australia, each providing a diversity
<br>> of contributions to the Archive. This also means that in replicating
<br>> the research center in different contexts, one could choose one of the
<br>> many evolutionary paths/trees that have already been followed ? and,
<br>> thus, benefiting from the knowledge about their success in similar
<br>> contexts, for example ?, or a remix of different ones.?
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Near Future Narratives
<br>>
<br>> Each inner circle?s participant is called to compose a design fiction,
<br>> a short story of a future scenario which narratively shows some of the
<br>> design characteristics of the research center: its inner and outer
<br>> workings; its processes; the objects inside it; etc.
<br>>
<br>> All of this constitutes a Future Ethnography, in which participants
<br>> are called to perform their vision, by writing their field notes from
<br>> the future.
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Networked writing
<br>>
<br>> A Google Drive add-on was created that allows using documents and
<br>> spreadsheets as networked writing tools, to obtain non linear
<br>> narratives. This type of tool makes it easier to compose ontologies
<br>> and other forms of relational graphs: one just selects the titles,
<br>> words, numbers and other elements of documents, also across different
<br>> documents, and states what type of relation lays between them. Graphs,
<br>> then, can be explored using an interactive data visualisation.
<br>>
<br>> The first documents that were represented in this way have been the
<br>> Near Future Narratives, to highlight and interconnect recurring
<br>> narratives, make comparisons and to synthesize them, ways that are
<br>> rich and oriented towards complexity.
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Similarities and complementarity
<br>>
<br>> A study of the organizations that, for any reason, are similar or
<br>> complementary to the objective of the research center. For example,
<br>> they could be similar for one of the characteristics defined in the
<br>> previous sections, or for some other desirable quality: the use of
<br>> art and design to bring concepts and practices to society; the
<br>> attention to the ecological detail of proposed practices and rituals,
<br>> not only by an environmental point of view, but also from the
<br>> perspectives of social, informational, communicational and
<br>> psychological ecologies.
<br>>
<br>> And complementary, meaning those organizations who are able to have an
<br>> impact on the daily lives of millions of people (like energy/utility
<br>> companies, schools, the great nodes of distribution and
<br>> communication). All these are large data concentrators and, thus, they
<br>> constantly have a need for innovation of the processes and
<br>> technologies which they use to deal with such enormous quantities of
<br>> data. This makes them a perfect match to try to bring even radical
<br>> innovation in data management and governance, for example by
<br>> addressing how these actors could better manage data while also being
<br>> able to respond to the needs and aspirations of individuals and
<br>> communities, and to become major bearers of impacts in the upcoming
<br>> confrontation with the complex issues of the planet, starting from the
<br>> SDG (Sustainable Development Goals) of the United Nations.
<br>>
<br>> These similarities and complementarities have been looked for within
<br>> organizations of all kinds, sizes, across domains. When the final
<br>> output was produced, this knowledge base was opened for public review
<br>> and contribution.
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Communication kits
<br>>
<br>> Different types of actors have different communication needs,
<br>> languages and each of them represents different opportunities for
<br>> interaction. To communicate with these types of actors in society we
<br>> have started to develop what is becoming a distinctive trait in the
<br>> communication of the research center, the communication kits. These
<br>> are different and used to follow different approaches, narratives,
<br>> visual languages, according to the type of audience.
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Controlled dissemination and feedback
<br>>
<br>> A phase of controlled dissemination began in July 2020. While the work
<br>> of the inner circle continued, other actors received the outputs and
<br>> were invited to provide feedback, proposals and to participate. Among
<br>> them are researchers in various disciplines, entrepreneurs, policy
<br>> makers, designers, educators, academics, social innovators and other
<br>> profiles. It wasn?t still an open call, as it maintained some control
<br>> on the disclosure, and the process paid attention in disseminating
<br>> first of all to those who had already manifested interest in the
<br>> initiative.
<br>>
<br>> The objective was to obtain general feedback about the process and the
<br>> quality of the implementation, and specifics about the ways in which
<br>> different types of actors could imagine to act with and within the
<br>> proposed architecture or in its variations.
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> The ?Open Notes? and the public debate
<br>>
<br>> The project team has paid much attention to communication in the
<br>> public sphere, both through its own initiatives and by participating
<br>> in the ones of other actors and organizations.
<br>>
<br>> The Open Notes have possibly been the most evident of these
<br>> initiatives, in collaboration with Opera Viva Magazine, an online
<br>> publication dedicated to the arts, philosophical speculation,
<br>> decolonisation and critical theory.
<br>>
<br>> The open notes are a narrative and dissemination format which we used
<br>> to publish documentation which could also be not definitive or in
<br>> progress, to trigger public debate around it. The initiative has a
<br>> twofold aim: to make the process known to a wider audience and to
<br>> obtain feedback that could also be informal, for example through
<br>> comments and posts on social networks.
<br>>
<br>> The series of 10 articles is titled ?La Cura ai tempi del Coronavirus?
<br>> (Iaconesi, 2020, ?The Cure at the time of Coronavirus?). The narrative
<br>> starts from a disruption: during the COVID19 pandemic Salvatore
<br>> Iaconesi, one of the founders of the research center, has a cancer
<br>> relapse. The experience of La Cura (?The Cure?, Iaconesi e Persico,
<br>> 2016a) ? through which Iaconesi had transformed in 2012 his brain
<br>> cancer into a new way to position disease in society through a
<br>> collaboration among science, technology arts and design ? had shown a
<br>> way in which data and computation could have a role in society to
<br>> confront complex issues. The planetary pandemics was the way in which
<br>> the necessity of an epistemological disruption could be highlighted,
<br>> embodying in the new research center.
<br>>
<br>> Each article was published and shared on major social networks
<br>> (Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Linkedin, Academia and Researchgate).
<br>> In this way the first 7 articles that had been published by the end of
<br>> 2020 achieved a reach of around 70thousand, more than 4 thousand
<br>> reactions, around 400 re-shares and, most importantly, a little less
<br>> than 800 comments.
<br>>
<br>> The first one, titled ?Sogni e nuovi rituali? introduced the general
<br>> format ? a near future narrative, followed by a critical analysis and
<br>> by a series of methodological indications ? and started talking about
<br>> the Rituals of the New Living, to exist in an hyperconnected and
<br>> globalized world characterized by ecosystemic challenges such as
<br>> climate change, pandemics, health, poverty and, sadly, many others,
<br>> and on the idea that surviving in this scenario requires new alliances
<br>> with data and computational agents.
<br>>
<br>> The second article, titled ?I rituali del nuovo abitare. Dopo la
<br>> tragedia.?, confronts with the theme of establishing a Culture of
<br>> Ecosystems (Cultura Ecosistemica) which results from the conflict
<br>> between two opposing agencies: ?the individual ones, of and around our
<br>> bodies, psychologies, centers? and ?the ecosystemic ones, which is
<br>> diffused, systemic, ubiquitous, social and oriented to complexity?.
<br>> The solution is found in Art ? which is able to deal with the
<br>> dimension of tragedy, incompleteness, mystery and paradox ? and
<br>> sensitility, the attitude of transforming ?things? into entities that
<br>> can be the subject/object of forms of sensorial experience.
<br>>
<br>> The third article, titled ?Intimit?, Incompletezza, Interpretazione.
<br>> Rituali del s? connettivo dopo la tragedia?, starts dealing with data
<br>> and computation. Currently, both constitute extractive processes in
<br>> our society. The article explores the ways in which they can be
<br>> transformed into phenomena of autobiographical expression and of
<br>> self-representation. A first point made in the article is to open up
<br>> to the opportunities represented by what we intend as forms of life ?
<br>> whether they are carbon based, or made of silicon, or of legal
<br>> contracts ? and, thus, to deal with a world which we know is
<br>> ambiguous, paradoxical, incomplete, only partially knowable,
<br>> mysterious and interpretable.
<br>>
<br>> ?This is a substantial difference, because while in the first modality
<br>> [the one of incompleteness and interpretation] data is the beginning
<br>> [...], in this second modality [the one of extraction and computation]
<br>> data is an end: data is used to construct a representation, and that
<br>> is the end of the discussion. In quantified self data exists only at
<br>> one level: extraction, through which a device can be fabricated to
<br>> consume oneself. In the New Rituals, instead, we want to orient
<br>> ourselves towards a larger capacity, towards a wider communicational
<br>> and meta-communicational bandwidth, towards the possibility of
<br>> enabling interaction on more, different levels, with diverse types of
<br>> contributions.?
<br>>
<br>> The fourth article, ?Quelli che Immuni non ??, starts off from the the
<br>> worldwide adoption of contact tracing apps to contrast the pandemics
<br>> (Immuni is the name of the app used by the italian government), to
<br>> observe and speculate around new ways in which data and computation
<br>> can be part of new rituals of our daily lives. Can these rituals be
<br>> only useful, or only effective? Of course there is no single answer,
<br>> and the article introduces the notion of the emotional, relational,
<br>> symbolic, cultural, expressive, even magical valence of objects,
<br>> services (which are, to all effects, peculiar rituals), platforms and
<br>> others. In general, the capacity of generating a sense of meaning and
<br>> ownership, and the aesthetics ? the characteristic of being exposed to
<br>> the senses ? of all these things largely depends on these last
<br>> factors.
<br>>
<br>> The fifth article, ?La Spirale della Conoscenza?, enters in vivo in
<br>> the models that direct the life of the research center, its
<br>> architecture, its geometries and its practices. In the specifics, the
<br>> performative knowledge model that is used in the research center is
<br>> closely described. Knowledge is seen as alive and organic in society,
<br>> only as it is performed by different types of actors.
<br>>
<br>> ?From this point of view, knowledge can be described as a living
<br>> organism: when it is born, it is for the
<br>> combination/reproduction/alteration of two or more concepts, actors,
<br>> information, data, objects, or other. While it lives, it does so in
<br>> the interpretations of the actors who interact with it: people and
<br>> organizations that use this technology in their lives, computational
<br>> entities that collect or use it for something ? to use in a search
<br>> engine, or feed it to artificial intelligences, or something/someone
<br>> else. (Note: in the age of digital mediation, can knowledge enter in
<br>> relationship with a tree, or with the sea, or with other non-human
<br>> actors? Certainly.)?
<br>>
<br>> The same article gives a first public iteration for a definition of
<br>> the research center, its themes and its inner workings:
<br>>
<br>> ?HER She Loves Data deals with data and computation in its
<br>> psychological, relational, social and environmental dimensions and
<br>> implications. HER She Loves Data uses existential models, not
<br>> extractive ones: data and computation are treated as elements of the
<br>> existence of the actors of which they are expression, and of the ways
<br>> in which these actors decide to express and represent themselves. Data
<br>> is not extracted from behaviours and from the environment, to be then
<br>> processed, studied and represented in the separation of laboratories
<br>> or of data centers. Instead, they are generated by the actors of the
<br>> ecosystem and by their aggregations, and live in a new alliance among
<br>> them and researchers, other people, computational agents,
<br>> organizations and the environments, where they all become partners in
<br>> the research process.
<br>>
<br>> HER She Loves Data uses Art as a mode of participatory knowledge. It
<br>> experiments, studies and designs the ritualities through which data
<br>> and computation manifest themselves in people?s lives and in the ones
<br>> of communities, organizations, institutions and of non-human actors ?
<br>> for example of the environment, or computational actors ?, for how
<br>> they inhabit the world, individually and in relation with the other
<br>> actors.
<br>>
<br>> This knowledge model constitutes HER She Loves Data?s fundamental
<br>> infrastructure, and is called the Archive of the Rituals of the New
<br>> Living.?
<br>>
<br>> The sixth article, titled ?Fisica, Chimica, Biologia ed Ecologia del
<br>> Nuovo Abitare? starts building in practice the way in which this
<br>> knowledge can be created and shared. It does it by establishing a
<br>> parallel between the ways in which other scientific disciplines work,
<br>> their axioms, theories, theorems and hypotheses.
<br>>
<br>> The article features a starting definition of the New Living:
<br>>
<br>> ?New Living is the condition in which a new cosmology is adopted,
<br>> where human beings are not at the center, but part of a dynamic and
<br>> diverse network of actors and agents: human, non-human, computational,
<br>> with legal identity, plants, animals, complex actors such as forests
<br>> and the seas. In this new living, data and computation have an
<br>> important role. Given the globalized and hyperconnected character of
<br>> the contexts that we inhabit, our senses are not sufficient anymore to
<br>> perceive and understand what is and happens around ourselves.
<br>>
<br>> This is only perceivable and understandable through enormous
<br>> quantities and qualities of interconnected, incomplete and
<br>> interpretable data, that can only be dealt with through the mediation
<br>> of computational agents. For this, we need new senses/sensibilities ?
<br>> to bring these dimensions to sensitility, to that which can be
<br>> experienced through our senses ?. The New Living is all about these
<br>> new possible alliances with data and computational agents.?
<br>>
<br>> Thus, the new disciplines of the New Living, according to which this
<br>> new knowledge can be defined, are laid out:
<br>>
<br>> The Physics of the New Living, that tries to explore how things work,
<br>> function, live.
<br>>
<br>> The Chemistry of the New Living, that tries to explore matter in this
<br>> context, its particles, waves, atoms, bonds, molecules, crystals,
<br>> materials, reactions.
<br>>
<br>> The Biology of the New Living, trying to understand what combinations
<br>> of humans, non-humans, data, information, knowledge, computation and
<br>> elements of the environment are able to express the characteristics of
<br>> life, that are: order (cellularity, complexity); encoding (information
<br>> processing); regulation (homeostasis); growth and evolution
<br>> (autonomously, given enough resources); energy (metabolism);
<br>> irritability, sensibility, mobility (interaction among peers, or with
<br>> others); reproduction (giving life to other fertile organisms);
<br>> evolutionary potential (horizontal, vertical, genetic, environmental
<br>> and epigenetic, hence the capacity to adapt).
<br>>
<br>> The Ecology of the New Living, which holds the previous ones together,
<br>> studying their relations, and that does not limit itself to
<br>> observation, but proceeds to a performative attitude that is
<br>> transformative of the present, throgh a social performance of
<br>> imagination (for which we use the collaborative exploration of the
<br>> present/future through Near Future Design).
<br>>
<br>> The seventh article, titled ?L?Archivio dei Rituali del Nuovo
<br>> Abitare?, describes the main asset of the research center, the
<br>> archive: ARNA, Archivio dei Rituali del Nuovo Abitare (Archive of the
<br>> Rituals of the New Living).
<br>>
<br>> ARNA is described as:
<br>>
<br>> ?ARNA is the archive of the knowledge developed about the Rituals of
<br>> the New Living [...], which are the recurrent and encoded practices
<br>> [...] in which data and computation enter daily life in ways that have
<br>> a sufficient emotional engagement, an aesthetic component ? which can
<br>> also be characteristic of different cultures in different times ?, an
<br>> evolution ? to update its significance ?, a social function ? that
<br>> allows to build and refresh bonding ?, and that have a defined
<br>> positioning at a level of our psychology (unconscious, conscious,
<br>> relational, social...)?.
<br>>
<br>> Derrida's Mal d?Archive (1995) is used to establish a parallel between
<br>> psychology and the archive, to describe the ways in which power
<br>> manifests itself in the research center, as well as the way in which
<br>> reading the archive can revolutionize psychology (a data-psychology?).
<br>>
<br>> The Archive ?leaves open spaces that we can fill with ourselves, and
<br>> that we can use to explore ourselves, in the archive and through the
<br>> archive. In the space in-between.?
<br>>
<br>> Thus, if ARNA is the knowledge about the Rituals of the New Living (as
<br>> we have defined it in the previous article), the Archive itself is the
<br>> Psychology of the New Living, because it allows to:
<br>>
<br>> observe the New Living as an instrument for the exercise of power (who
<br>> decides the order, and what is included/excluded/forgot/moved...);
<br>>
<br>> observe the open spaces that are created within the order, to
<br>> understand how other actors express and take ownership, for their own
<br>> self-representation;
<br>>
<br>> observe the synthesis, the instability, the game that is played, the
<br>> resulting movement, to try to understand life-through-the-archive and
<br>> archive-through-life.
<br>>
<br>> The following three articles will deal with:
<br>>
<br>> an autobiographical take on the meaning of why we are designing the
<br>> research center in this way;
<br>>
<br>> the sustainability of the research center, both environmental,
<br>> economic and psychological, with a section on Intellectual Property;
<br>>
<br>> the next steps.
<br>>
<br>> The next steps
<br>>
<br>> The next steps in the design and creation of the research center will
<br>> be the following:
<br>>
<br>> the creation of a communication format for the open peer review, in
<br>> which the concept of the research center will be broken down in
<br>> different sections and each section will undergo a public peer review
<br>> under the form of recurrent events;
<br>>
<br>> network building and extended feedback; using the outputs of the
<br>> previous steps, and engaging the actors that have participated up to
<br>> this moment together with their reference networks, with the role of
<br>> validating/correcting the model and to start forming the CoPs, the
<br>> Core CoP and the services and infrastructures;
<br>>
<br>> headquarters and fundraising; at this stage, the kinds of spaces,
<br>> infrastructures, materials and skills needed for the research center
<br>> will be clear and, thus, a fundraising stage and the active search for
<br>> the headquarter/locations/services will begin, with private and public
<br>> participation and also in consideration with the desired engagement
<br>> with the local communities and territories;
<br>>
<br>> detailed design, executive design and multi-year planning of the
<br>> implementation; we, then, will be ready to start planning for
<br>> execution, to transform the concepts and diagrams into architectures,
<br>> live processes and the life of the future research center.
<br>>
<br>>
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<br>> della societ? planetaria. Roma: Carocci Editore.
<br>>
<br>> Derrida J. (1995) Mal d'Archive: Une Impression Freudienne. Paris:
<br>> ?ditions Galil?e.
<br>>
<br>> Di Felice M. (2019) La Cittadinanza Digitale. Roma: Meltemi.
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<br>> Engelbart D.C., English W.K. (1968) A research center for augmenting
<br>> human intellect in AFIPS Conference Proceedings of the 1968 Fall Joint
<br>> Computer Conference (Atti del convegno, San Francisco, 9-11 Dicembre
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<br>>
<br>> Floridi L. (2014a) The Fourth Revolution: How the Infosphere is
<br>> Reshaping Human Reality. Oxford: Oxford University Press.
<br>>
<br>> Floridi L. (2014b) The Onlife Manifesto: Being Human in a
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<br>>
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<br>> Hyperconnectivity in The Design Journal, Volume 20, 2017 ? Issue
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<br>>
<br>> Iaconesi S. (2017) The Third Infoscape: Opportunities for Design in
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<br>>
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<br>>
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<br>>
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<br>> surveillance and control to the Ubiquitous Commons in Hybrid Cities 2,
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<br>>
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<br>> surveillance and control to the Ubiquitous Commons in Hybrid Cities 2,
<br>> Data to the People, conference proceedings.
<br>>
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<br>>
<br>> Iaconesi S., Persico O. (2016b). Digital Urban Acupuncture. Human
<br>> Ecosystems and the Life of Cities in the Age of Communication,
<br>> Information and Knowledge. New York: Springer.
<br>>
<br>> Iaconesi S., Persico O. (2019a) Il rapporto tra Umanesimo e
<br>> tecnologia: freno, inibizione, censura, oppure da apertura, salto di
<br>> paradigma, coscienza critica nell?affrontare i conflitti sociali. in
<br>> Sociologia n.3/2019.
<br>>
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<br>> artificiale di quartiere ? si chiama IAQOS
<br>> <<a href="https://www.che-fare.com/iaqos-intelligenza-artificiale-torpignattara">https://www.che-fare.com/iaqos-intelligenza-artificiale-torpignattara</a>
<br>> />
<br>>
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<br>> Engineers Through Society. Cambridge: Harvard University Press.
<br>>
<br>> Latour B. (1990) Technology is Society Made Durable in The
<br>> Sociological Review Vol 38, Issue 1_suppl, 1990.
<br>>
<br>> Latour B. (2015) Face ? Ga?a. Huit conf?rences sur le nouveau r?gime
<br>> climatique, Paris, Les Emp?cheurs de penser en rond/La D?couverte.
<br>>
<br>> Latour B., Woolgar S. (1986), Laboratory Life: The Construction of
<br>> Scientific Facts, second edition, Princeton (NJ), Princeton University
<br>> Press.
<br>>
<br>> Lave, J. and Wenger, E. (1991) Situated Learning: Legitimate
<br>> Peripheral Participation. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press.
<br>>
<br>> Ostrom E. (1990) Governing the Commons: The Evolution of Institutions
<br>> for Collective Action. Cambridge, UK: Cambridge University Press.
<br>>
<br>> Shaviro S. (2003) Connected ? or what it means to live in the network
<br>> society. Minneapolis: University of Minnesota Press.
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Roger in Dallas, please phone/txt/ +15108532007 if urgent
<br>>
<br>>
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<br>> > 1. Re: [Yasmin_announcements] yasmin phoenicians and pirates:
<br>> > overcoming touch deprivation pharmakon and provokaon
<br>> > (YASMIN DISCUSSIONS)
<br>> > 2. Re: yasmin phoenicians and pirates: overcoming touch
<br>> > deprivation pharmakon and provokaon (YASMIN DISCUSSIONS)
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<br>> > Message: 1
<br>> > Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 22:23:01 +0000
<br>> > From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <<a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>>
<br>> > To: roger malina <<a href="mailto:rmalina@alum.mit.edu">rmalina@alum.mit.edu</a>>
<br>> > Cc: "xDxD.vs.xDxD" <<a href="mailto:xdxd.vs.xdxd@gmail.com">xdxd.vs.xdxd@gmail.com</a>>, Annick Cell Bureaud
<br>> > <<a href="mailto:abureaud@gmail.com">abureaud@gmail.com</a>>, <a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>,
<br>> > <a href="mailto:yasmin_announcements@ntlab.gr">yasmin_announcements@ntlab.gr</a>, nake <<a href="mailto:nake@uni-bremen.de">nake@uni-bremen.de</a>>
<br>> > Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] [Yasmin_announcements] yasmin
<br>> > phoenicians and pirates: overcoming touch deprivation pharmakon
<br>> and
<br>> > provokaon
<br>> > Message-ID:
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<br>> <a href="mailto:mailman.10.1614280097.19518.yasmin_discussions_ntlab.gr@ntlab.gr">mailman.10.1614280097.19518.yasmin_discussions_ntlab.gr@ntlab.gr</a>>
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<br>> > Meetings in private homes was also important in the 17th century. See
<br>> the story of the Lunar Men in England, some of whom were barred from
<br>> Universities because of religious beliefs but many of whom made important
<br>> advances.
<br>> >
<br>> > <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Lunar-Men-Friends-Curiosity-Changed/dp/0374528888">https://www.amazon.com/Lunar-Men-Friends-Curiosity-Changed/dp/0374528888</a>
<br>> >
<br>> > Ernest
<br>> >
<br>> > ______________________
<br>> > <a href="http://ernestedmonds.com">http://ernestedmonds.com</a>
<br>> >
<br>> > > On 24 Feb 2021, at 3:42 pm, roger malina <<a href="mailto:rmalina@alum.mit.edu">rmalina@alum.mit.edu</a>> wrote:
<br>> > >
<br>> > > ?klaus frieder et yasmin pirates and phoenicians
<br>> > >
<br>> > > the discussion about 'little research labs' reminds me of the
<br>> discussions thirty
<br>> > > years by ago by Hakim Bey
<br>> > > <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporary_Autonomous_Zone">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporary_Autonomous_Zone</a>
<br>> > > advocating Temporary Autonomous Zones
<br>> > >
<br>> > > but also three years ago we started an artscience Air B and B in our
<br>> > > family house in paris, annick bureaud has now been running a series
<br>> > > of art science residencies there- where there MUST be a mixture of
<br>> guests
<br>> > > from different disciplines staying at the air b and b at teh same time
<br>> > >
<br>> > > private homes are where 19th century salons gathered proust and picasso
<br>> > > and carl jung -universities are great-lots of heat and internet- but
<br>> the kind
<br>> > > of discussions that can go on in TAZ air b and b culture are really i
<br>> think
<br>> > > more generative of desirable outputs
<br>> > >
<br>> > > roger malina
<br>> > >
<br>> > >
<br>> > > Roger in Dallas, please phone/txt/ +15108532007 if urgent
<br>> > >
<br>> > >
<br>> > >> On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 2:18 AM xDxD.vs.xDxD <<a href="mailto:xdxd.vs.xdxd@gmail.com">xdxd.vs.xdxd@gmail.com</a>>
<br>> wrote:
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> Dear Frieder
<br>> > >>>
<br>> > >>> I am afraid, that takes away a lot from the situation of the little
<br>> research center.
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> it's really a choice. And it has its pros and cons. In a small
<br>> organisation you have more freedom and agility, and you don't necessarily
<br>> have to adhere to the rankings and mad quantities (for example of students
<br>> and publications each year). You have a say in what you choose to do.
<br>> > >> On the other hand there's more risk involved, and you have to be
<br>> really active: there's no big organization that will back you up, or to
<br>> provide the prestige or reputation. You will always be the odd one, or the
<br>> one who really has to fight to get the point across.
<br>> > >> But there's space for everyone. If the Internet taught us anything is
<br>> that there is space both for Amazon and for niche boutiques. That is if
<br>> boutiques manage to generate narratives and imaginaries that allow people
<br>> to find them.
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> Me and my wife abandoned universities like 6 years ago, and opened
<br>> this "little research center".
<br>> > >> Even if we're really small (there's 15 of us, plus several people who
<br>> go back and forth) we partner with other larger universities and
<br>> organizations, we work with the EU Commissions and governments etc: we do
<br>> all the things which other research centers do. But being smaller, we can
<br>> discuss and choose.
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> We publish. We have institutional and strategic communication.
<br>> > >> We have students, internships, masters. Many times, we hire (or work
<br>> with) the people we taught something to.
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> Soon, we will have an hotel, where we will live (some permanently,
<br>> some temporarily), research, experiment, teach, learn, eat, invite, leave
<br>> from, arrive at, etc
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> In a way, we're more similar to what Donna Haraway would call a new
<br>> type of kinship. Which is a nice thing to explore as a research center.
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> And we have a model for it (we're completing the documentation right
<br>> now (for now there's this:
<br>> <a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YUwoq5yLXcHlC5YBelflJQhUZ0cvsU49/view?usp=sharing">https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YUwoq5yLXcHlC5YBelflJQhUZ0cvsU49/view?usp=sharing</a>
<br>> ), so that it's also replicable, evolvable etc
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> This is also a nice thing to explore on Yasmin: how to organize
<br>> ourselves. Hope you explore with us!
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> kind wishes
<br>> > >> Salvatore
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> (note: what address should we use in the Yasmin-phoenix transition? I
<br>> saw that it is currently defaulting to forwarding to both addresses, as
<br>> well to personal addresses. I will do this last one like this, and maybe
<br>> from the next one I will only use the discussions address?)
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> --
<br>> > >> Art is Open Source - <a href="http://www.artisopensource.net">http://www.artisopensource.net</a>
<br>> > >> Human Ecosystems Relazioni - <a href="https://www.he-r.it/">https://www.he-r.it/</a>
<br>> > >> Ubiquitous Commons - <a href="http://www.ubiquitouscommons.org">http://www.ubiquitouscommons.org</a>
<br>> > >
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<br>> > Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 15:46:06 -0600
<br>> > From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <<a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>>
<br>> > To: "xDxD.vs.xDxD" <<a href="mailto:xdxd.vs.xdxd@gmail.com">xdxd.vs.xdxd@gmail.com</a>>, Annick Cell Bureaud
<br>> > <<a href="mailto:abureaud@gmail.com">abureaud@gmail.com</a>>
<br>> > Cc: nake <<a href="mailto:nake@uni-bremen.de">nake@uni-bremen.de</a>>, Ranwa Yehia
<br>> > <<a href="mailto:ranwayehia@googlemail.com">ranwayehia@googlemail.com</a>>, <a href="mailto:yasmin_announcements@ntlab.gr">yasmin_announcements@ntlab.gr</a>,
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<br>> > klaus frieder et yasmin pirates and phoenicians
<br>> >
<br>> > the discussion about 'little research labs' reminds me of the
<br>> discussions thirty
<br>> > years by ago by Hakim Bey
<br>> > <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporary_Autonomous_Zone">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporary_Autonomous_Zone</a>
<br>> > advocating Temporary Autonomous Zones
<br>> >
<br>> > but also three years ago we started an artscience Air B and B in our
<br>> > family house in paris, annick bureaud has now been running a series
<br>> > of art science residencies there- where there MUST be a mixture of guests
<br>> > from different disciplines staying at the air b and b at teh same time
<br>> >
<br>> > private homes are where 19th century salons gathered proust and picasso
<br>> > and carl jung -universities are great-lots of heat and internet- but the
<br>> kind
<br>> > of discussions that can go on in TAZ air b and b culture are really i
<br>> think
<br>> > more generative of desirable outputs
<br>> >
<br>> > roger malina
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> > Roger in Dallas, please phone/txt/ +15108532007 if urgent
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> > On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 2:18 AM xDxD.vs.xDxD <<a href="mailto:xdxd.vs.xdxd@gmail.com">xdxd.vs.xdxd@gmail.com</a>>
<br>> wrote:
<br>> > >
<br>> > > Dear Frieder
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> I am afraid, that takes away a lot from the situation of the little
<br>> research center.
<br>> > >
<br>> > > it's really a choice. And it has its pros and cons. In a small
<br>> organisation you have more freedom and agility, and you don't necessarily
<br>> have to adhere to the rankings and mad quantities (for example of students
<br>> and publications each year). You have a say in what you choose to do.
<br>> > > On the other hand there's more risk involved, and you have to be
<br>> really active: there's no big organization that will back you up, or to
<br>> provide the prestige or reputation. You will always be the odd one, or the
<br>> one who really has to fight to get the point across.
<br>> > > But there's space for everyone. If the Internet taught us anything is
<br>> that there is space both for Amazon and for niche boutiques. That is if
<br>> boutiques manage to generate narratives and imaginaries that allow people
<br>> to find them.
<br>> > >
<br>> > > Me and my wife abandoned universities like 6 years ago, and opened
<br>> this "little research center".
<br>> > > Even if we're really small (there's 15 of us, plus several people who
<br>> go back and forth) we partner with other larger universities and
<br>> organizations, we work with the EU Commissions and governments etc: we do
<br>> all the things which other research centers do. But being smaller, we can
<br>> discuss and choose.
<br>> > >
<br>> > > We publish. We have institutional and strategic communication.
<br>> > > We have students, internships, masters. Many times, we hire (or work
<br>> with) the people we taught something to.
<br>> > >
<br>> > > Soon, we will have an hotel, where we will live (some permanently,
<br>> some temporarily), research, experiment, teach, learn, eat, invite, leave
<br>> from, arrive at, etc
<br>> > >
<br>> > > In a way, we're more similar to what Donna Haraway would call a new
<br>> type of kinship. Which is a nice thing to explore as a research center.
<br>> > >
<br>> > > And we have a model for it (we're completing the documentation right
<br>> now (for now there's this:
<br>> <a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YUwoq5yLXcHlC5YBelflJQhUZ0cvsU49/view?usp=sharing">https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YUwoq5yLXcHlC5YBelflJQhUZ0cvsU49/view?usp=sharing</a>
<br>> ), so that it's also replicable, evolvable etc
<br>> > >
<br>> > > This is also a nice thing to explore on Yasmin: how to organize
<br>> ourselves. Hope you explore with us!
<br>> > >
<br>> > > kind wishes
<br>> > > Salvatore
<br>> > >
<br>> > > (note: what address should we use in the Yasmin-phoenix transition? I
<br>> saw that it is currently defaulting to forwarding to both addresses, as
<br>> well to personal addresses. I will do this last one like this, and maybe
<br>> from the next one I will only use the discussions address?)
<br>> > >
<br>> > > --
<br>> > > Art is Open Source - <a href="http://www.artisopensource.net">http://www.artisopensource.net</a>
<br>> > > Human Ecosystems Relazioni - <a href="https://www.he-r.it/">https://www.he-r.it/</a>
<br>> > > Ubiquitous Commons - <a href="http://www.ubiquitouscommons.org">http://www.ubiquitouscommons.org</a>
<br>> >
<br>> >
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<br>Dear inspiring all,
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<br>The idea of Taz, autonomous homes, meeting in privates homes, theatre in
<br>apartments in the former Soviet Union, secret schools to provide Greek
<br>education in the interior of Crete during occupation, and illegal Rave
<br>parties with their secret codes leading to Thatcherian law forbiding
<br>repetitive music (sic) for example, were initiatives, which all have
<br>provided new ways of developing new ideas, away from the mainstream, and
<br>have been proved necessary for surviving.
<br>
<br>How would technology today offers new safe sanctuaries ? During the occupy
<br>wall streets movement, activists were fobidden to act, so part of the
<br>'revolt' went
<br>online or in augmented reality
<br><a href="https://docubase.mit.edu/project/ar-occupy-wall-street/">https://docubase.mit.edu/project/ar-occupy-wall-street/</a>
<br>
<br>I take the opportunity to mention the release of a music compilation, where
<br>the benefits
<br>goes to activists to buy VPN
<br><a href="https://syrphe.bandcamp.com/album/civil-disobedience-part-3-4">https://syrphe.bandcamp.com/album/civil-disobedience-part-3-4</a>
<br>
<br>Luca
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<br>Le ven. 26 f?vr. 2021 ? 11:00, <<a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions-request@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions-request@ntlab.gr</a>> a
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<br>> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 22:23:01 +0000
<br>> From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <<a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>>
<br>> To: roger malina <<a href="mailto:rmalina@alum.mit.edu">rmalina@alum.mit.edu</a>>
<br>> Cc: "xDxD.vs.xDxD" <<a href="mailto:xdxd.vs.xdxd@gmail.com">xdxd.vs.xdxd@gmail.com</a>>, Annick Cell Bureaud
<br>> <<a href="mailto:abureaud@gmail.com">abureaud@gmail.com</a>>, <a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>,
<br>> <a href="mailto:yasmin_announcements@ntlab.gr">yasmin_announcements@ntlab.gr</a>, nake <<a href="mailto:nake@uni-bremen.de">nake@uni-bremen.de</a>>
<br>> Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] [Yasmin_announcements] yasmin
<br>> phoenicians and pirates: overcoming touch deprivation pharmakon and
<br>> provokaon
<br>> Message-ID:
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<br>> Meetings in private homes was also important in the 17th century. See the
<br>> story of the Lunar Men in England, some of whom were barred from
<br>> Universities because of religious beliefs but many of whom made important
<br>> advances.
<br>>
<br>> <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Lunar-Men-Friends-Curiosity-Changed/dp/0374528888">https://www.amazon.com/Lunar-Men-Friends-Curiosity-Changed/dp/0374528888</a>
<br>>
<br>> Ernest
<br>>
<br>> ______________________
<br>> <a href="http://ernestedmonds.com">http://ernestedmonds.com</a>
<br>>
<br>> > On 24 Feb 2021, at 3:42 pm, roger malina <<a href="mailto:rmalina@alum.mit.edu">rmalina@alum.mit.edu</a>> wrote:
<br>> >
<br>> > ?klaus frieder et yasmin pirates and phoenicians
<br>> >
<br>> > the discussion about 'little research labs' reminds me of the
<br>> discussions thirty
<br>> > years by ago by Hakim Bey
<br>> > <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporary_Autonomous_Zone">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporary_Autonomous_Zone</a>
<br>> > advocating Temporary Autonomous Zones
<br>> >
<br>> > but also three years ago we started an artscience Air B and B in our
<br>> > family house in paris, annick bureaud has now been running a series
<br>> > of art science residencies there- where there MUST be a mixture of guests
<br>> > from different disciplines staying at the air b and b at teh same time
<br>> >
<br>> > private homes are where 19th century salons gathered proust and picasso
<br>> > and carl jung -universities are great-lots of heat and internet- but the
<br>> kind
<br>> > of discussions that can go on in TAZ air b and b culture are really i
<br>> think
<br>> > more generative of desirable outputs
<br>> >
<br>> > roger malina
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> > Roger in Dallas, please phone/txt/ +15108532007 if urgent
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> >> On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 2:18 AM xDxD.vs.xDxD <<a href="mailto:xdxd.vs.xdxd@gmail.com">xdxd.vs.xdxd@gmail.com</a>>
<br>> wrote:
<br>> >>
<br>> >> Dear Frieder
<br>> >>>
<br>> >>> I am afraid, that takes away a lot from the situation of the little
<br>> research center.
<br>> >>
<br>> >> it's really a choice. And it has its pros and cons. In a small
<br>> organisation you have more freedom and agility, and you don't necessarily
<br>> have to adhere to the rankings and mad quantities (for example of students
<br>> and publications each year). You have a say in what you choose to do.
<br>> >> On the other hand there's more risk involved, and you have to be really
<br>> active: there's no big organization that will back you up, or to provide
<br>> the prestige or reputation. You will always be the odd one, or the one who
<br>> really has to fight to get the point across.
<br>> >> But there's space for everyone. If the Internet taught us anything is
<br>> that there is space both for Amazon and for niche boutiques. That is if
<br>> boutiques manage to generate narratives and imaginaries that allow people
<br>> to find them.
<br>> >>
<br>> >> Me and my wife abandoned universities like 6 years ago, and opened this
<br>> "little research center".
<br>> >> Even if we're really small (there's 15 of us, plus several people who
<br>> go back and forth) we partner with other larger universities and
<br>> organizations, we work with the EU Commissions and governments etc: we do
<br>> all the things which other research centers do. But being smaller, we can
<br>> discuss and choose.
<br>> >>
<br>> >> We publish. We have institutional and strategic communication.
<br>> >> We have students, internships, masters. Many times, we hire (or work
<br>> with) the people we taught something to.
<br>> >>
<br>> >> Soon, we will have an hotel, where we will live (some permanently, some
<br>> temporarily), research, experiment, teach, learn, eat, invite, leave from,
<br>> arrive at, etc
<br>> >>
<br>> >> In a way, we're more similar to what Donna Haraway would call a new
<br>> type of kinship. Which is a nice thing to explore as a research center.
<br>> >>
<br>> >> And we have a model for it (we're completing the documentation right
<br>> now (for now there's this:
<br>> <a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YUwoq5yLXcHlC5YBelflJQhUZ0cvsU49/view?usp=sharing">https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YUwoq5yLXcHlC5YBelflJQhUZ0cvsU49/view?usp=sharing</a>
<br>> ), so that it's also replicable, evolvable etc
<br>> >>
<br>> >> This is also a nice thing to explore on Yasmin: how to organize
<br>> ourselves. Hope you explore with us!
<br>> >>
<br>> >> kind wishes
<br>> >> Salvatore
<br>> >>
<br>> >> (note: what address should we use in the Yasmin-phoenix transition? I
<br>> saw that it is currently defaulting to forwarding to both addresses, as
<br>> well to personal addresses. I will do this last one like this, and maybe
<br>> from the next one I will only use the discussions address?)
<br>> >>
<br>> >> --
<br>> >> Art is Open Source - <a href="http://www.artisopensource.net">http://www.artisopensource.net</a>
<br>> >> Human Ecosystems Relazioni - <a href="https://www.he-r.it/">https://www.he-r.it/</a>
<br>> >> Ubiquitous Commons - <a href="http://www.ubiquitouscommons.org">http://www.ubiquitouscommons.org</a>
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<br>> From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <<a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>>
<br>> To: "xDxD.vs.xDxD" <<a href="mailto:xdxd.vs.xdxd@gmail.com">xdxd.vs.xdxd@gmail.com</a>>, Annick Cell Bureaud
<br>> <<a href="mailto:abureaud@gmail.com">abureaud@gmail.com</a>>
<br>> Cc: nake <<a href="mailto:nake@uni-bremen.de">nake@uni-bremen.de</a>>, Ranwa Yehia
<br>> <<a href="mailto:ranwayehia@googlemail.com">ranwayehia@googlemail.com</a>>, <a href="mailto:yasmin_announcements@ntlab.gr">yasmin_announcements@ntlab.gr</a>,
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<br>> klaus frieder et yasmin pirates and phoenicians
<br>>
<br>> the discussion about 'little research labs' reminds me of the discussions
<br>> thirty
<br>> years by ago by Hakim Bey
<br>> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporary_Autonomous_Zone">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporary_Autonomous_Zone</a>
<br>> advocating Temporary Autonomous Zones
<br>>
<br>> but also three years ago we started an artscience Air B and B in our
<br>> family house in paris, annick bureaud has now been running a series
<br>> of art science residencies there- where there MUST be a mixture of guests
<br>> from different disciplines staying at the air b and b at teh same time
<br>>
<br>> private homes are where 19th century salons gathered proust and picasso
<br>> and carl jung -universities are great-lots of heat and internet- but the
<br>> kind
<br>> of discussions that can go on in TAZ air b and b culture are really i think
<br>> more generative of desirable outputs
<br>>
<br>> roger malina
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Roger in Dallas, please phone/txt/ +15108532007 if urgent
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 2:18 AM xDxD.vs.xDxD <<a href="mailto:xdxd.vs.xdxd@gmail.com">xdxd.vs.xdxd@gmail.com</a>>
<br>> wrote:
<br>> >
<br>> > Dear Frieder
<br>> >>
<br>> >> I am afraid, that takes away a lot from the situation of the little
<br>> research center.
<br>> >
<br>> > it's really a choice. And it has its pros and cons. In a small
<br>> organisation you have more freedom and agility, and you don't necessarily
<br>> have to adhere to the rankings and mad quantities (for example of students
<br>> and publications each year). You have a say in what you choose to do.
<br>> > On the other hand there's more risk involved, and you have to be really
<br>> active: there's no big organization that will back you up, or to provide
<br>> the prestige or reputation. You will always be the odd one, or the one who
<br>> really has to fight to get the point across.
<br>> > But there's space for everyone. If the Internet taught us anything is
<br>> that there is space both for Amazon and for niche boutiques. That is if
<br>> boutiques manage to generate narratives and imaginaries that allow people
<br>> to find them.
<br>> >
<br>> > Me and my wife abandoned universities like 6 years ago, and opened this
<br>> "little research center".
<br>> > Even if we're really small (there's 15 of us, plus several people who go
<br>> back and forth) we partner with other larger universities and
<br>> organizations, we work with the EU Commissions and governments etc: we do
<br>> all the things which other research centers do. But being smaller, we can
<br>> discuss and choose.
<br>> >
<br>> > We publish. We have institutional and strategic communication.
<br>> > We have students, internships, masters. Many times, we hire (or work
<br>> with) the people we taught something to.
<br>> >
<br>> > Soon, we will have an hotel, where we will live (some permanently, some
<br>> temporarily), research, experiment, teach, learn, eat, invite, leave from,
<br>> arrive at, etc
<br>> >
<br>> > In a way, we're more similar to what Donna Haraway would call a new type
<br>> of kinship. Which is a nice thing to explore as a research center.
<br>> >
<br>> > And we have a model for it (we're completing the documentation right now
<br>> (for now there's this:
<br>> <a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YUwoq5yLXcHlC5YBelflJQhUZ0cvsU49/view?usp=sharing">https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YUwoq5yLXcHlC5YBelflJQhUZ0cvsU49/view?usp=sharing</a>
<br>> ), so that it's also replicable, evolvable etc
<br>> >
<br>> > This is also a nice thing to explore on Yasmin: how to organize
<br>> ourselves. Hope you explore with us!
<br>> >
<br>> > kind wishes
<br>> > Salvatore
<br>> >
<br>> > (note: what address should we use in the Yasmin-phoenix transition? I
<br>> saw that it is currently defaulting to forwarding to both addresses, as
<br>> well to personal addresses. I will do this last one like this, and maybe
<br>> from the next one I will only use the discussions address?)
<br>> >
<br>> > --
<br>> > Art is Open Source - <a href="http://www.artisopensource.net">http://www.artisopensource.net</a>
<br>> > Human Ecosystems Relazioni - <a href="https://www.he-r.it/">https://www.he-r.it/</a>
<br>> > Ubiquitous Commons - <a href="http://www.ubiquitouscommons.org">http://www.ubiquitouscommons.org</a>
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<br>To: <a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>, <a href="mailto:yasmin_announcements@ntlab.gr">yasmin_announcements@ntlab.gr</a>,
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<br>yasminer colleagues but in particular frieder slavatore klaus ernest
<br>
<br>i would like to pick up the discussion on how the world of research centers
<br>may change after the pandemic- i append salvatore iaconesi's article
<br>with oriana persico and daniele bucci
<br>on creating a research center in todays society
<br>
<br>ernest emphasised the role of peoples homes as being overlooked in the
<br>history of ideas, and it
<br>seems the pandemic has re injected their importance- its a fact in
<br>complex systems that the larger
<br>it is ( eg universities) the less reactive/adaptive it can be. The
<br>pandemic has perhaps demonstrated
<br>this as more of us work in our home studios and home offices rather
<br>than in the university facilites
<br>
<br>yes many catastrophes in human history, pandemics etc, have sometimes
<br>led to a variety of desirable
<br>consequences, eg the Re-Naissance. So maybe yasminers can take the
<br>lead in revitalising yasmin
<br>as part of a network of independent non university research labs ?
<br>
<br>roger malina
<br>here is salvatore and colleagues article
<br>
<br>salvatore Iaconesi and Oriana Persico (1, 2, 3), Daniele Bucci (4)
<br>
<br><a href="mailto:salvatore.iaconesi@he-r.it">salvatore.iaconesi@he-r.it</a>, <a href="mailto:oriana.persico@he-r.it">oriana.persico@he-r.it</a>
<br>
<br>Creating a research center in today's society
<br>
<br>Data, AI, territories, communities, knowledge and rituals for a New Living
<br>
<br>Salvatore Iaconesi and Oriana Persico (1, 2, 3), Daniele Bucci (4)
<br>
<br><a href="mailto:salvatore.iaconesi@he-r.it">salvatore.iaconesi@he-r.it</a>, <a href="mailto:oriana.persico@he-r.it">oriana.persico@he-r.it</a>
<br>
<br>Affiliations:
<br>
<br>Founders of the ?HER: She Loves Data? research center
<br>
<br>Founders of AOS ? Art is Open Source
<br>
<br>Visiting professors Aalborg University, Department of Architecture,
<br>Design and Media Technology
<br>
<br>Designer, researcher and facilitator
<br>
<br>
<br>Abstract english:
<br>
<br>What is a research center? How does its role change in the age of data
<br>and computation? The article describes the theoretical and conceptual
<br>foundations that in 2020 led to the redesign of the research center
<br>HER - Human Ecosystems Relations, founded in 2013 by the artist duo
<br>Salvatore Iaconesi and Oriana Persico, to create a new type of
<br>organization capable of positioning research at the center of society,
<br>using art as a strategy and data to create sensitivities toward the
<br>complex phenomena of our globalized and hyper-connected world - from
<br>climate change, to migration to poverty. HER: she Loves Data, the new
<br>organization whose model is described, assumes as its main mission the
<br>creation of the Archive of Rituals of the New Living, embracing data
<br>and computation as existential and cultural boundaries of contemporary
<br>human beings and societies.
<br>
<br>
<br>Keyword english:
<br>
<br>Research, Knowledge, Education, Participation, Sociology of Science,
<br>Anthropology of Science, Technology, Data, Computation, Artificial
<br>Intelligence,
<br>
<br>
<br>Introduction
<br>
<br>Our society has radically changed during the last few years, and we
<br>did as well. Our intimacy and the ways we spend time together have
<br>changed. The ways in which we communicate and relate. The ways in
<br>which we perceive the world, try to understand it and deal with it.
<br>The ways in which we learn and interact, and in which we share our
<br>knowledge and information.
<br>
<br>We are now in a globalized (Beck, 1997) and hyperconnected (Shaviro,
<br>2003) world.
<br>
<br>The existences of human beings and of the rest of the environment and
<br>its actors (animals, plants, microorganisms, the rest of the
<br>biosphere, but also actors with legal personality and computational
<br>actors) are increasingly in close and intricate relationships with
<br>each other, organized into interconnected processes, which can be
<br>considered separately only at the cost of not being able to deal with
<br>the complexity that is required for their governance (Di Felice,
<br>2019).
<br>
<br>Our existences and our lives depend on ? and are increasingly mediated
<br>by ? data and computation: our Onlives (Floridi, 2014b) and are
<br>increasingly connected to the infosphere in which we are immersed (
<br>Floridi, 2014a).
<br>
<br>The phenomena we experience can take place anywhere and anytime in the
<br>world: they roam the entire planet and beyond (eg.: the images and
<br>data coming from our human devices on other planets, or in space). To
<br>be able to experience these phenomena and to deal with them, means
<br>interacting with enormous quantities and qualities of data and
<br>computation.
<br>
<br>But the current data and computing industries are extractive
<br>industries. Like all extractive phenomena of our present and past,
<br>they have serious implications for the environment, society, rights,
<br>democracies, freedoms, and the ways in which technologies can be used
<br>to exert power over us, our bodies and our psyche. (Iaconesi, 2017)
<br>
<br>If, on the one hand, we find ourselves forced to continuous protective
<br>actions (privacy, censorship, algorithmic biases), on the other hand
<br>we need enormous quantities and qualities of data and computation in
<br>order to exist on the planet. (Iaconesi, Persico, 2019a)
<br>
<br>This is a tragic condition our times, whose two aspects pull in
<br>dramatically different directions, disorienting us. Let?s just think
<br>about, in the current pandemics, about data, which is simultaneously
<br>used to violate us and to save us, in a classical Double Bind
<br>constraint. There seems to be no exclusively technical solutions to
<br>this tragic condition, and the ways of dealing with it are positioned
<br>in the nexus of Science, Technology, Art, Design, Psychology,
<br>Philosophy, Society. (Iaconesi, Persico, 2016b)
<br>
<br>A different type of need emerges: to reposition ourselves in a novel
<br>cosmology, along an epistemological evolution, to achieve new
<br>possibile experiences and performances in our ecologies. The
<br>opportunity for these transformations come from new possible alliances
<br>with computational agents: not extractive anymore, but generative,
<br>with us.
<br>
<br>These new alliances must be designed: ecologically, in society and in
<br>the environment we inhabit.
<br>
<br>To do this, we have started to research a possible evolution of what
<br>we now would call ?research center?, to study and reinvent the rituals
<br>which we take part in to live on our planet.
<br>
<br>This article tells the story of this process, to try to invent such a
<br>new form of research center: HER: She Loves Data.
<br>
<br>
<br>Towards a Theory of Research Centers in Contemporary Society
<br>
<br>In the Treccani encyclopedia a ?research center? is defined as that
<br>?organism or entity that promotes research and coordinates studies
<br>about specific topics?. In Wikipedia ?a research institute (or
<br>research center) is an organization created on purpose to operate and
<br>to promote research in one or more fields of science?.
<br>
<br>These definitions presume that the scientific ?professions? and
<br>?methods? are concrete entities that are already well present and
<br>positioned in our society. But ?research center? is a recent concept
<br>in human history, although various places of a more remote human past
<br>already had these characteristics.
<br>
<br>Bayt al-?ikmah (??? ???????), for example, the House of Wisdom, also
<br>known as Baghdad Great Library ? an important intellectual center in
<br>the city during the Abbasid caliphate in the golden islamic age in the
<br>VIII century ?, closely resembles a research center: it hosted and
<br>translated the most advanced research of those times; it produced
<br>original contributions through its residents in medicine, surgery,
<br>alchemy, physics, mathematics, astrology, paper production,
<br>philosophy, literature; and it hosted large research infrastructures,
<br>like the astronomical observatories.
<br>
<br>To find more structured entities we have to proceed along the years,
<br>arriving at the scientific revolution after the Renaissance and, then,
<br>throughout the XVIII century with Illuminism: London?s Royal Society
<br>in 1660 and the Acad?mie Royale des Sciences in France, in 1666.
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>Romanticism, as a reaction to Illuminism, saw the rise of Schelling?s
<br>Naturphilosophie; the study of cosmologies and cosmogonies; the new
<br>science of biology; the investigation of conscious and unconscious
<br>mental states, and of what was ?normal? and ?abnormal?; the study of
<br>the secret forces of nature, such as electricity, magnetism,
<br>galvanism. Goethe?s observation countered Newton?s works on optics.
<br>
<br>Science mutated in this way according to opposing cycles of
<br>transformation and evolution, also changing the ways in which human
<br>beings formed relationships in scientific research, organizing it.
<br>
<br>After Romanticism, the evolution of science and of its positioning in
<br>society and in our psychology passed through the Industrial
<br>Revolutions, World Wars, XX century?s Globalization and the Digital
<br>Revolution in the beginning of the XXI century.
<br>
<br>Each of these periods has its own characteristics which resonate in
<br>their cultures, for example through literature?s and cinema?s monsters
<br>and characters of the different times: Dracula and steam; Frankenstein
<br>and the forces of electricity and of life; Charlie Chaplin, first with
<br>industry and then with the Great World Wars. With Zombies a peculiar
<br>transformation arrives: daily lives and ordinary human beings become
<br>the monsters, in the shopping center, with consumerism and
<br>Globalization. Information Society brings the monster of Artificial
<br>Intelligences and computation in general.
<br>
<br>Floridi?s (2014a) 4 revolutions resonate the same concept: the social
<br>positions and geometries of sciences transform. The illuminist
<br>character of the copernican revolution dismantles the anthropocentric
<br>understanding of the universe. Romanticism?s reconnection with Nature
<br>gives Darwin the opportunity to bring human beings and animals closer
<br>together in the process of natural selection. Freud decrees the end of
<br>the integrity of human being ? divided between conscious and
<br>unconscious ? between the Industrial Revolutions and the Great World
<br>Wars.
<br>
<br>>From the great wars to the Digital Revolution, Turing shows how
<br>intelligence is not only human.
<br>
<br>Each of these revolutions bring new conceptual instruments which can
<br>be used to understand ourselves and the world we live in, and we can
<br>use them in science, philosophy, art, and in all the other disciplines
<br>and their interconnections.
<br>
<br>
<br>In this scenario, the observation of the current conditions of
<br>humanity and of the planet ? hyperconnected, globalized and, thus,
<br>fully pervaded by complex issues at all levels of society and of the
<br>environment ? gives us a hint about what these new instruments and
<br>concepts for these times are: data and computation.
<br>
<br>Infact, the availability of enormous quantities and qualities of data
<br>? and of the computation which needed to collect, process, represent
<br>and interpret them ? is the necessary ? but not sufficient ? condition
<br>to be able to know, to experience and to be able to confront with
<br>complex issues such as climate change, health, poverty, education and
<br>the other planetary issues which we face (for example with United
<br>Nations? Sustainable Development Goals).
<br>
<br>Thus, it is not entirely wrong to affirm that our survival on planet
<br>earth is connected to data and computation, that
<br>
<br>Non ? quindi sbagliato affermare che la nostra sopravvivenza sul
<br>pianeta ? connessa a dati e computazione, which in fact are
<br>transformed: they move from being technical matter, becoming an
<br>existential one.
<br>
<br>On top of that, data are characterized by tensions and paradoxes:
<br>
<br>They are the protagonists of the largest extractive phenomenon on our
<br>planet and, as such, they live in separation: they are extracted from
<br>our existence, our bodies, our behaviours and from the environment,
<br>and they are used in laboratories, industries, and in the governance
<br>of their processes.
<br>
<br>They come in enormous quantities, qualities and interconnections.
<br>Counting them is not interesting anymore, as it brings small
<br>differentiation. On the contrary, the possibility to discover forms
<br>and recurring patterns in them and in their interconnections brings
<br>enormous value, as it enables governance of complex phenomena. This is
<br>the role of Artificial Intelligence.
<br>
<br>They are presented as objective, indisputable truths. ?Data says
<br>this.? As such, they are used to enact rigid, lineas, industrial
<br>procedures that are not able to deal with the extreme diversities of
<br>human beings, biology, environments, cultures and their relations.
<br>Instead, it is true that data are highly ideological entities. To be
<br>able to measure a phenomenon, we must first construct an ideology
<br>about how the phenomenon can be measured, about what are the important
<br>things to be measured, and how, through which variables, parameters,
<br>expressions, and using which sensors and practices. The equation
<br>according to which data is supposed to be a measure of a certain
<br>phenomenon is in itself a complex phenomenon which does not have a
<br>single, or simple, or linear answer. Ecosystems? complexity can be
<br>dealt with through the coexistence of multiple perspectives, not
<br>through consensus or through those mono-cultures that, for whatever
<br>reason, is dominant or hegemonic at a certain time.
<br>
<br>To be able to have the availability of many types of different data ?
<br>about people, behaviours, processes, environment, biology, culture,
<br>etx ? a tragic paradox takes form:
<br>
<br>On the one hand, a protective modality is needed (for example through
<br>privacy laws), to defend people?s rights and liberties, their health,
<br>environment, information, education, and so on.
<br>
<br>On the other hand, data must be freely accessible and usable in
<br>enormous quantities and qualities, to be able to confront the complex
<br>issues that put our existence at risk (the recent issues of the
<br>COVID19 pandemic are striking proof of this).
<br>
<br>This is a tragic condition: it has no solution. At least none in the
<br>sense of a univocal, technical one. This is a type of problem that
<br>cannot be addressed in an exclusively engineering sense. This type of
<br>problem is of an existential and cultural type, and to face it it is
<br>necessary to have the possibility of dealing with systems that allow
<br>paradox, incompleteness, indeterminacy, presence / absence,
<br>relationship and all its consequences.
<br>
<br>Therefore, an idea of Science in Society is needed that is capable of
<br>adopting the approaches, methods and tools of Philosophy, Psychology,
<br>Art and Culture among its strategies, not as a mere ornament. The
<br>research centers that carry out this type of science should therefore
<br>have a geometry and a very different structure from the current ones:
<br>both internal and in the relationship with society and the
<br>environment. is able to adopt the approaches, methods and tools of
<br>Philosophy, Psychology, Art and Culture among its strategies, not as
<br>mere ornament. The research centers that carry out this type of
<br>science should therefore have a geometry and a very different
<br>structure from the current ones: both internal and in the relationship
<br>to society and the environment.
<br>
<br>Sociologia della Scienza e Antropologia della Scienza
<br>
<br>Engelbart (1968) stated:
<br>
<br>?Though the primary research goal is to develop principles of analysis
<br>and design so as to understand how to augment human capability,
<br>choosing the researchers themselves as subjects yields as valuable
<br>secondary benefit a system tailored to help develop complex
<br>computer-based systems. This "bootstrap" group has the interesting
<br>(recursive) assignment of developing tools and techniques to make it
<br>more effective at carrying out its assignment. Its tangible product is
<br>a developing augmentation system to provide increased capability for
<br>developing and studying augmentation systems.?
<br>
<br>This type of bootstrap process is very interesting, and one can
<br>imagine making active protagonists not only researchers, but also
<br>students, publics, organizations and institutions, so as to obtain an
<br>inclusive and participatory that brings in from the very beginning the
<br>collaboration of more actors in society or in the organization.
<br>
<br>Disciplines such as Sociology and Anthropology of Science can help us
<br>to design organisms whose life is the complex result of the lives of
<br>so many different types of actors.
<br>
<br>Sociology of Science studies the socio-cultural processes that are
<br>constitutive of scientific systems, as well as its interactions with
<br>other systems like schools, institutions, innovations, industry,
<br>territories.
<br>
<br>This influences:
<br>
<br>the choices of the subjects of research;
<br>
<br>the conceptual models of research, and the vision of the world which
<br>is a direct result of scientific conceptualization, observation,
<br>analysis and communication:
<br>
<br>the internal and external objectives of research;
<br>
<br>And the pragmatic domains of research, which describe what it means to
<br>?research?, in terms of the socially recognized practices.
<br>
<br>Anthropology of Science uses a different approach, which is expressed,
<br>for example, in Bruno Latour?s ways of looking at it: observing
<br>science ?in action? is very different from observing science?s ?black
<br>boxes?, because we can attribute a role to it only when we are able to
<br>explore its dynamic history, contents, evolutions and relations
<br>(Latour, 1987).
<br>
<br>Applying the methods of Anthropology and Ethnography to Science allows
<br>to reconstruct the cultural, symbolic and psychological dynamics, as
<br>well as the dynamics of the boundaries of collaboration and conflict,
<br>by dedicating attention to those actors that play roles in these
<br>dynamics and in their implications, together with ?information about
<br>sources of funding, the career backgrounds of participants, the
<br>citation patterns in the relevant literature, the nature and origins
<br>of instrumentation and so on.? (Latour, Woolgar, 1986, 278)
<br>
<br>The objective is to dive into the ecology of nature/society (Latour,
<br>2015), to participate in science (Latour, 1990) according to varying
<br>arrangements, which correspond to a diversity of epistemological
<br>approaches.
<br>
<br>If ?ecology [...] is not the irruption of nature in public space, but
<br>the end of Nature as a concept which is capable of synthesizing our
<br>relationship with the world, and of pacificating it? (Latour, 2015,
<br>50?51), then all the actors of the whole nature/society, in their
<br>incredible diversity ? between human, non human, legal, computational
<br>? ? must be considered as potentially active and interactive actors
<br>(and, thus, significative) in science, according to recurring patterns
<br>and forms that we must learn to recognise: the new cosmologies of
<br>science.
<br>
<br>The case of ?HER: She Loves Data?
<br>
<br>HER: She Loves Data (in the following: HER), is a small, private
<br>research center which in its first version was founded in London in
<br>2013, under the name of HE ? Human Ecosystems. The occasion for its
<br>creation was provided by the possibility of exploiting the
<br>intellectual property for a technological platform by the same name
<br>that had been created in an EU project of the FP7 programme of the
<br>European Commission. Human Ecosystem (both software and research
<br>center) was born as a platform which was able to collect large
<br>quantities of data from the social major social network in those times
<br>(Twitter, Facebook, Instagram) so that they could be used in
<br>territorial and community analysis and in citizen science projects.
<br>
<br>These large scale data collection processes has a few peculiarities:
<br>
<br>They formed commons, that is a resource that could be used in common
<br>by researchers and communities only after having established
<br>relationships and codes between the two about this usage; this was
<br>part of the methodology, and it was applied through the software
<br>platforms; (Iaconesi and Persico, 2016b)
<br>
<br>They contributed to shaping the cultural processes that took place
<br>among the members of the communities together with researchers,
<br>technologists, artists, designers, educators, organizations and
<br>institutions; these data were used in workshops, near future
<br>design/speculative design participatory processes, and collaborative
<br>processes of policy design;
<br>
<br>The results of these processes assumes aesthetic and communicational
<br>forms, such as works of art, data visualizations, interactive and
<br>immersive interfaces, which composed the Realtime Museum of the City,
<br>which was a place that was created and whose content was produced
<br>through the practices of participation in the city/territory, by
<br>representing the needs, desires, expectations and imaginaries of the
<br>communities under the form of cultural artifacts;
<br>
<br>The strategic and operative model of this type of operation lay its
<br>foundation on the possibility to use data to capture the essence the
<br>Relational Ecosystems (among people, organizations, institutions,
<br>devices, services and the environment), and to use computation to
<br>analyze and represent it, by describing interactions, exchanges,
<br>communications, so that precise and inclusive interventions could not
<br>only be designed, but imagined in the first place.
<br>
<br>This methodology was called Digital Urban Acupuncture, DUA (Iaconesi
<br>and Persico, 2016b).
<br>
<br>DUA?s conceptualization requires the design of two concepts that
<br>contribute to the idea of data and computation as pervasive entities
<br>of nature/society that are in existential relationship with all
<br>actors, human and non-human:
<br>
<br>The Third Infoscape, which is composed by the myriads of
<br>micro-histories that are generated by small agglomerations of data,
<br>information, images, articles and reactions, taken into account in the
<br>irreducible complexity and richness of interactions; Third Infoscale
<br>cannot be describes in terms of the simple geometries, but only
<br>according to the myriads of the sub-narratives which emerge from all
<br>these data, information and interactions; (Iaconesi, 2017)
<br>
<br>Ubiquitous Commons, which is a cultural, technological, social and
<br>legal protocol according to which the identities of the actors of
<br>ecosystems can have different modalities ? individual, anonymous,
<br>collective, temporary, transitive and remixes of these ?; in the
<br>ecosystems that are composed by the relations and interactions among
<br>human and non human actors (such as buildings, companies, territories,
<br>forests?), it becomes, thus, possible for these types of identities to
<br>generate data (eg: the data which a condo building can produce, a
<br>territory, a forest, an event?), to self-represent themselves, as in
<br>an autobiography; in a similar way it is possible to attribute access
<br>to these data to different identities (eg: to the researchers of a
<br>certain research project, or to an organization). (Iaconesi and
<br>Persico, 2015)
<br>
<br>In 2016, HE changed to HER ? Human Ecosystems Relazioni ? as it moved
<br>to Italy, taking its headquarters in Rome in the San Lorenzo, Pigneto
<br>and Torpignattara neighbourhoods, both because of their multicultural
<br>life and because of the concentration of designers, artists and of the
<br>largest part of the city?s undergrounds and subcultures.
<br>
<br>This positioning in the city profoundly contributed to the idea of a
<br>research center that does not live in the separation of the
<br>laboratory, but, rather, that promotes a concept of science that is in
<br>the dynamic center of society, and fully participates in it. This is
<br>demonstrated by a series of permanent projects of the center:
<br>
<br>HER: She Loves San Lorenzo, a festival of arts, data and artificial
<br>intelligence in which the entire neighbourhood transforms into an art
<br>exhibition whose artworks are created through data and AI, and where
<br>the mechants, the baristas, and the other inhabitants of the
<br>neighbourhood transform themselves into the curators and narrators of
<br>the artworks in the exhibit, thus creating a diffused experience in
<br>applied didactics which is highly effective;
<br>
<br>The Scuola di Quartiere di Arte, Dati e IA (Neighborhood School for
<br>Arts, Data and AI); it emerged right after the first edition of the
<br>festival and it uses the model of the carnival, in which the school
<br>operates all year round to prepare the festival?s next edition; a
<br>series of initiatives in which the inhabitants of the neighbourhood
<br>transform themselves in the artists who are capable of creating the
<br>works of art that are made using their own data, used not in
<br>extractive mode, but in an autobiographical and self-representational
<br>ways, which would be included in the exhibit; (Iaconesi, 2018a e
<br>2018b)
<br>
<br>IAQOS, Intelligenza Artificiale Open Source di Quartiere (Open Source
<br>Neighbourhood Artificial Intelligence), a project in which the
<br>Torpignattara neighbourhood saw the emergence of a new technological
<br>infrastructure (AI, just like water, electricity and public transport
<br>before it), under the form of a new, peculiar inhabitant of the
<br>neighbourhood, young IAQOS; technology is not only a technical issue
<br>anymore, and becomes an actor with which to relate, to negotiate
<br>reality, to discuss and debate the world that each actor brings to the
<br>community. (Iaconesi e Persico, 2019b)
<br>
<br>At the beginning of 2020, the COVID19 pandemic contributed to the
<br>perception of the urgency of unveiling new forms of ?Science in
<br>Nature/Society? that are able to engage human and non human actors,
<br>and to explicitly avoid extractive processes, moving to process
<br>centered on the concept of ?caring? (Iaconesi and Persico. 2016a),
<br>defined as the possibility to perceive oneself not as a center, but as
<br>one of the actors/performers of a human and non human
<br>ecosystem/network that relate and interact. Moving away from
<br>extraction, and towards ecology. Thus, HER: She Loves Data was born,
<br>with its focus of bringing together Science, Technology (and
<br>especially Data and Computation), Art and Nature/Society, to uncover
<br>the Rituals of the New Living (Rituali del Nuovo Abitare).
<br>
<br>Methodology and Process
<br>
<br>The elements that are characteristic of the research center also give
<br>shape to its processes. These are:
<br>
<br>The approach described in ?La Cura? (Iaconesi and Persico, 2016a),
<br>which is a systemic-relational one; issues are never dealt with in a
<br>way which is purely technical, but move along complex relational
<br>networks, extending eventually to the whole of society; for example,
<br>data and the research that uses them are never used solely in the
<br>separation of the ?lab?, but are the object of multiple types of
<br>relations, through different actors; art and design are a fundamental
<br>part of this type of process.
<br>
<br>A non-extractive approach, according to which processes are not
<br>designed to extract (data, value, knowledge?), but to generate, and
<br>are intended as autobiographical and self-representational expressions
<br>of the human and non-human actors involved.
<br>
<br>An approach which is not oriented to consensus, but, rather, to
<br>coexistence. Processes are designed around the possibility of
<br>compresence of conflicts, not on the idea of their final resolution
<br>through forms of consensus.
<br>
<br>A Commons oriented approach, according to Elinor Ostrom?s definition
<br>(1990), in which the commons is not only a certain resource pool, but
<br>also the high quality relational ecosystem that is linked to it,
<br>together with the fact that the ecosystem has a code which is used to
<br>govern it.
<br>
<br>An human/non-human ecosystemic approach, according to which human
<br>beings are not at the center of the ecosystem (as, for example, in
<br>Human Centered Design), but, rather, part of complex relational
<br>networks together with organizations, computational agents, other
<br>actors in the biosphere, etc: Ecosystemic Design.
<br>
<br>A Near Future / Speculative Design approach, in which design is a
<br>participatory practice and it is dedicated to the creation of future
<br>scenarios, not only by looking through the lens of what is technically
<br>possible, but also through the ones of what is desirable, preferable,
<br>imaginable, or even paradoxical or mysterious, to reveal the
<br>inconsistencies and the violences of our presents, exploring together
<br>with society, critically and constructively.
<br>
<br>
<br>The design of the research center is centered around a progressive
<br>process which, step by step, valorizes the relations that manifest
<br>themselves. At the same time, it is an open process, so that many
<br>actors can take its elements and create conflicts around them, to
<br>unveil ways for coexistence.
<br>
<br>The following sections describe the three phases of the design process.
<br>
<br>
<br>Creation of an inner circle
<br>
<br>The first phase takes place in a selected, curated community in which
<br>the quality of relations, trust and mutual knowledge is outstanding.
<br>It is tightly knit and interactions are frequent (once a week, with
<br>assignments in-between). The objective is to design the initial
<br>concept of the research center, its organizational and relational
<br>dynamics, its themes, its aesthetics, the way in which it builds its
<br>roots in a community; the outputs of this phase are listed below.
<br>
<br>
<br>Senses
<br>
<br>A set of multimedia narratives whose aim is to communicate the colors,
<br>sensations, sounds and images of the research center in an immersive,
<br>literary way.
<br>
<br>?Stepping inside HER: She Loves Data, you find yourself immersed in a
<br>small hydroponic forest. The life of the environment, and its relation
<br>with humans generates data which we use to live better. HER: She Loves
<br>Data generates food, well-being, health, communication and knowledge
<br>to augment the capacity to inhabit both the analogue and digital
<br>spheres, establishing relationships and connections between people,
<br>communities, territories, organizations and institutions.
<br>
<br>Amidst the deep green of this forest ? which is, simultaneously,
<br>architecture, environment, source of food and herbs, tool and
<br>educational space used to learn and research the Rituals of the New
<br>Living, between nature, art, science, technology, data and computation
<br>? you can see the reception, the spaces that are used to work, to live
<br>experiences, have meetings, eat, rest, establishing bridges between
<br>physical and digital dimensions.
<br>
<br>Further in that direction, along the intrigue of the small forest, are
<br>the living quarters, the kitchens, the spaces for physical and digital
<br>conviviality, where the two dimensions coexist and integrate with the
<br>life of the research attractor and of its inhabitants.
<br>
<br>I wouldn?t be surprised to find out that there are some spaces that I
<br>haven?t discovered yet.?
<br>
<br>
<br>Structure
<br>
<br>A set of diagrams is constantly kept updated to show the structure of
<br>the research center.
<br>
<br>Image 1 ? the structure, in July 2020
<br>
<br>
<br>In July 2020 the structure diagram?s report said:
<br>
<br>
<br>?HER: She Loves Data relates with Communities/Territories and with
<br>Organisations/Companies/Institutions. These two parts are not
<br>disjoint, and can work together.
<br>
<br>HER: She Loves Data is composed by a variable number of thematic
<br>Communities of Practice (CoP, Lave and Wenger, 1991), focused around
<br>health, learning, food, communication, organizations, and all the
<br>research themes for which there will be researchers and organizations
<br>that are willing to host the theme. CoPs can work together: health can
<br>work with education, art can work with food, communication can work
<br>with audience development, ect, in all combinations that form along
<br>the way.
<br>
<br>CoPs can establish partnerships and have their clients, which compose
<br>HER: She Loves Data?s relational ecosystem.
<br>
<br>
<br>CoPs have the availability of a series of tools, methods and
<br>infrastructures, with the basic first three elements will be:
<br>
<br>UC ? Ubiquitous Commons (Iaconesi and Persico, 2015), a
<br>legal/technological/social protocol which is used to manage variable
<br>forms of digital identity (individual, anonymous, collective,
<br>temporary, transitive and remixes) using distributed, accessible
<br>technologies, and its associated technical infrastructure. Through UC
<br>data will be managed giving up the extractive paradigm, and adopting
<br>the new autobiographical, self-representational one.
<br>
<br>NFD ? Near Future Design, the speculative design methodology, tools
<br>and professional figures (designers, facilitators, researchers, etc),
<br>which enables to work with communities, territories and ?tribes?
<br>(online, for example); it is used to create participatory processes to
<br>design near future scenarios which are able to trigger imagination,
<br>communication, reflection and feedback, to the scenarios can be
<br>transformed into products, services, objects in public space, schools,
<br>offices, etc, going beyond what is ?technically possible? and arriving
<br>at what is desirable, preferable, just.
<br>
<br>KNOW ? Knowledge Ecosystems, which is composed by a technical and
<br>interactive infrastructure which can be used to collaboratively govern
<br>and manage shared, interconnected knowledge; it contains the Archive
<br>of the Rituals of the New Living, in which the practices in which
<br>people, communities, companies, organizations and institutions use
<br>data and computation to confront with complex needs are stored,
<br>classified, organized, connected, studied and generated as new
<br>research; CoPs, through their activity, enrich the Archive (with new
<br>concepts, research, prototypes, code, case studies, works of art?), so
<br>that other CoPs can use them.
<br>
<br>HER: She Loves Data?s infrastructure takes the name of Datapoiesis.
<br>
<br>A specific CoP (called Core CoP) is dedicated to the maintenance and
<br>evolution of the infrastructure.
<br>
<br>Other CoPs which, over time, may have acquired specific importance in
<br>the ecosystem, can evolve and become infrastructure.
<br>
<br>HER: She Loves Data can be replicated, and each replica does not
<br>necessarily have the same evolution history as the others. Just like
<br>in nature, an evolutionary diversity exists, and an instance in Italy
<br>could be different from one in Australia, each providing a diversity
<br>of contributions to the Archive. This also means that in replicating
<br>the research center in different contexts, one could choose one of the
<br>many evolutionary paths/trees that have already been followed ? and,
<br>thus, benefiting from the knowledge about their success in similar
<br>contexts, for example ?, or a remix of different ones.?
<br>
<br>
<br>Near Future Narratives
<br>
<br>Each inner circle?s participant is called to compose a design fiction,
<br>a short story of a future scenario which narratively shows some of the
<br>design characteristics of the research center: its inner and outer
<br>workings; its processes; the objects inside it; etc.
<br>
<br>All of this constitutes a Future Ethnography, in which participants
<br>are called to perform their vision, by writing their field notes from
<br>the future.
<br>
<br>
<br>Networked writing
<br>
<br>A Google Drive add-on was created that allows using documents and
<br>spreadsheets as networked writing tools, to obtain non linear
<br>narratives. This type of tool makes it easier to compose ontologies
<br>and other forms of relational graphs: one just selects the titles,
<br>words, numbers and other elements of documents, also across different
<br>documents, and states what type of relation lays between them. Graphs,
<br>then, can be explored using an interactive data visualisation.
<br>
<br>The first documents that were represented in this way have been the
<br>Near Future Narratives, to highlight and interconnect recurring
<br>narratives, make comparisons and to synthesize them, ways that are
<br>rich and oriented towards complexity.
<br>
<br>
<br>Similarities and complementarity
<br>
<br>A study of the organizations that, for any reason, are similar or
<br>complementary to the objective of the research center. For example,
<br>they could be similar for one of the characteristics defined in the
<br>previous sections, or for some other desirable quality: the use of
<br>art and design to bring concepts and practices to society; the
<br>attention to the ecological detail of proposed practices and rituals,
<br>not only by an environmental point of view, but also from the
<br>perspectives of social, informational, communicational and
<br>psychological ecologies.
<br>
<br>And complementary, meaning those organizations who are able to have an
<br>impact on the daily lives of millions of people (like energy/utility
<br>companies, schools, the great nodes of distribution and
<br>communication). All these are large data concentrators and, thus, they
<br>constantly have a need for innovation of the processes and
<br>technologies which they use to deal with such enormous quantities of
<br>data. This makes them a perfect match to try to bring even radical
<br>innovation in data management and governance, for example by
<br>addressing how these actors could better manage data while also being
<br>able to respond to the needs and aspirations of individuals and
<br>communities, and to become major bearers of impacts in the upcoming
<br>confrontation with the complex issues of the planet, starting from the
<br>SDG (Sustainable Development Goals) of the United Nations.
<br>
<br>These similarities and complementarities have been looked for within
<br>organizations of all kinds, sizes, across domains. When the final
<br>output was produced, this knowledge base was opened for public review
<br>and contribution.
<br>
<br>
<br>Communication kits
<br>
<br>Different types of actors have different communication needs,
<br>languages and each of them represents different opportunities for
<br>interaction. To communicate with these types of actors in society we
<br>have started to develop what is becoming a distinctive trait in the
<br>communication of the research center, the communication kits. These
<br>are different and used to follow different approaches, narratives,
<br>visual languages, according to the type of audience.
<br>
<br>
<br>Controlled dissemination and feedback
<br>
<br>A phase of controlled dissemination began in July 2020. While the work
<br>of the inner circle continued, other actors received the outputs and
<br>were invited to provide feedback, proposals and to participate. Among
<br>them are researchers in various disciplines, entrepreneurs, policy
<br>makers, designers, educators, academics, social innovators and other
<br>profiles. It wasn?t still an open call, as it maintained some control
<br>on the disclosure, and the process paid attention in disseminating
<br>first of all to those who had already manifested interest in the
<br>initiative.
<br>
<br>The objective was to obtain general feedback about the process and the
<br>quality of the implementation, and specifics about the ways in which
<br>different types of actors could imagine to act with and within the
<br>proposed architecture or in its variations.
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>The ?Open Notes? and the public debate
<br>
<br>The project team has paid much attention to communication in the
<br>public sphere, both through its own initiatives and by participating
<br>in the ones of other actors and organizations.
<br>
<br>The Open Notes have possibly been the most evident of these
<br>initiatives, in collaboration with Opera Viva Magazine, an online
<br>publication dedicated to the arts, philosophical speculation,
<br>decolonisation and critical theory.
<br>
<br>The open notes are a narrative and dissemination format which we used
<br>to publish documentation which could also be not definitive or in
<br>progress, to trigger public debate around it. The initiative has a
<br>twofold aim: to make the process known to a wider audience and to
<br>obtain feedback that could also be informal, for example through
<br>comments and posts on social networks.
<br>
<br>The series of 10 articles is titled ?La Cura ai tempi del Coronavirus?
<br>(Iaconesi, 2020, ?The Cure at the time of Coronavirus?). The narrative
<br>starts from a disruption: during the COVID19 pandemic Salvatore
<br>Iaconesi, one of the founders of the research center, has a cancer
<br>relapse. The experience of La Cura (?The Cure?, Iaconesi e Persico,
<br>2016a) ? through which Iaconesi had transformed in 2012 his brain
<br>cancer into a new way to position disease in society through a
<br>collaboration among science, technology arts and design ? had shown a
<br>way in which data and computation could have a role in society to
<br>confront complex issues. The planetary pandemics was the way in which
<br>the necessity of an epistemological disruption could be highlighted,
<br>embodying in the new research center.
<br>
<br>Each article was published and shared on major social networks
<br>(Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Linkedin, Academia and Researchgate).
<br>In this way the first 7 articles that had been published by the end of
<br>2020 achieved a reach of around 70thousand, more than 4 thousand
<br>reactions, around 400 re-shares and, most importantly, a little less
<br>than 800 comments.
<br>
<br>The first one, titled ?Sogni e nuovi rituali? introduced the general
<br>format ? a near future narrative, followed by a critical analysis and
<br>by a series of methodological indications ? and started talking about
<br>the Rituals of the New Living, to exist in an hyperconnected and
<br>globalized world characterized by ecosystemic challenges such as
<br>climate change, pandemics, health, poverty and, sadly, many others,
<br>and on the idea that surviving in this scenario requires new alliances
<br>with data and computational agents.
<br>
<br>The second article, titled ?I rituali del nuovo abitare. Dopo la
<br>tragedia.?, confronts with the theme of establishing a Culture of
<br>Ecosystems (Cultura Ecosistemica) which results from the conflict
<br>between two opposing agencies: ?the individual ones, of and around our
<br>bodies, psychologies, centers? and ?the ecosystemic ones, which is
<br>diffused, systemic, ubiquitous, social and oriented to complexity?.
<br>The solution is found in Art ? which is able to deal with the
<br>dimension of tragedy, incompleteness, mystery and paradox ? and
<br>sensitility, the attitude of transforming ?things? into entities that
<br>can be the subject/object of forms of sensorial experience.
<br>
<br>The third article, titled ?Intimit?, Incompletezza, Interpretazione.
<br>Rituali del s? connettivo dopo la tragedia?, starts dealing with data
<br>and computation. Currently, both constitute extractive processes in
<br>our society. The article explores the ways in which they can be
<br>transformed into phenomena of autobiographical expression and of
<br>self-representation. A first point made in the article is to open up
<br>to the opportunities represented by what we intend as forms of life ?
<br>whether they are carbon based, or made of silicon, or of legal
<br>contracts ? and, thus, to deal with a world which we know is
<br>ambiguous, paradoxical, incomplete, only partially knowable,
<br>mysterious and interpretable.
<br>
<br>?This is a substantial difference, because while in the first modality
<br>[the one of incompleteness and interpretation] data is the beginning
<br>[...], in this second modality [the one of extraction and computation]
<br>data is an end: data is used to construct a representation, and that
<br>is the end of the discussion. In quantified self data exists only at
<br>one level: extraction, through which a device can be fabricated to
<br>consume oneself. In the New Rituals, instead, we want to orient
<br>ourselves towards a larger capacity, towards a wider communicational
<br>and meta-communicational bandwidth, towards the possibility of
<br>enabling interaction on more, different levels, with diverse types of
<br>contributions.?
<br>
<br>The fourth article, ?Quelli che Immuni non ??, starts off from the the
<br>worldwide adoption of contact tracing apps to contrast the pandemics
<br>(Immuni is the name of the app used by the italian government), to
<br>observe and speculate around new ways in which data and computation
<br>can be part of new rituals of our daily lives. Can these rituals be
<br>only useful, or only effective? Of course there is no single answer,
<br>and the article introduces the notion of the emotional, relational,
<br>symbolic, cultural, expressive, even magical valence of objects,
<br>services (which are, to all effects, peculiar rituals), platforms and
<br>others. In general, the capacity of generating a sense of meaning and
<br>ownership, and the aesthetics ? the characteristic of being exposed to
<br>the senses ? of all these things largely depends on these last
<br>factors.
<br>
<br>The fifth article, ?La Spirale della Conoscenza?, enters in vivo in
<br>the models that direct the life of the research center, its
<br>architecture, its geometries and its practices. In the specifics, the
<br>performative knowledge model that is used in the research center is
<br>closely described. Knowledge is seen as alive and organic in society,
<br>only as it is performed by different types of actors.
<br>
<br>?From this point of view, knowledge can be described as a living
<br>organism: when it is born, it is for the
<br>combination/reproduction/alteration of two or more concepts, actors,
<br>information, data, objects, or other. While it lives, it does so in
<br>the interpretations of the actors who interact with it: people and
<br>organizations that use this technology in their lives, computational
<br>entities that collect or use it for something ? to use in a search
<br>engine, or feed it to artificial intelligences, or something/someone
<br>else. (Note: in the age of digital mediation, can knowledge enter in
<br>relationship with a tree, or with the sea, or with other non-human
<br>actors? Certainly.)?
<br>
<br>The same article gives a first public iteration for a definition of
<br>the research center, its themes and its inner workings:
<br>
<br>?HER She Loves Data deals with data and computation in its
<br>psychological, relational, social and environmental dimensions and
<br>implications. HER She Loves Data uses existential models, not
<br>extractive ones: data and computation are treated as elements of the
<br>existence of the actors of which they are expression, and of the ways
<br>in which these actors decide to express and represent themselves. Data
<br>is not extracted from behaviours and from the environment, to be then
<br>processed, studied and represented in the separation of laboratories
<br>or of data centers. Instead, they are generated by the actors of the
<br>ecosystem and by their aggregations, and live in a new alliance among
<br>them and researchers, other people, computational agents,
<br>organizations and the environments, where they all become partners in
<br>the research process.
<br>
<br>HER She Loves Data uses Art as a mode of participatory knowledge. It
<br>experiments, studies and designs the ritualities through which data
<br>and computation manifest themselves in people?s lives and in the ones
<br>of communities, organizations, institutions and of non-human actors ?
<br>for example of the environment, or computational actors ?, for how
<br>they inhabit the world, individually and in relation with the other
<br>actors.
<br>
<br>This knowledge model constitutes HER She Loves Data?s fundamental
<br>infrastructure, and is called the Archive of the Rituals of the New
<br>Living.?
<br>
<br>The sixth article, titled ?Fisica, Chimica, Biologia ed Ecologia del
<br>Nuovo Abitare? starts building in practice the way in which this
<br>knowledge can be created and shared. It does it by establishing a
<br>parallel between the ways in which other scientific disciplines work,
<br>their axioms, theories, theorems and hypotheses.
<br>
<br>The article features a starting definition of the New Living:
<br>
<br>?New Living is the condition in which a new cosmology is adopted,
<br>where human beings are not at the center, but part of a dynamic and
<br>diverse network of actors and agents: human, non-human, computational,
<br>with legal identity, plants, animals, complex actors such as forests
<br>and the seas. In this new living, data and computation have an
<br>important role. Given the globalized and hyperconnected character of
<br>the contexts that we inhabit, our senses are not sufficient anymore to
<br>perceive and understand what is and happens around ourselves.
<br>
<br>This is only perceivable and understandable through enormous
<br>quantities and qualities of interconnected, incomplete and
<br>interpretable data, that can only be dealt with through the mediation
<br>of computational agents. For this, we need new senses/sensibilities ?
<br>to bring these dimensions to sensitility, to that which can be
<br>experienced through our senses ?. The New Living is all about these
<br>new possible alliances with data and computational agents.?
<br>
<br>Thus, the new disciplines of the New Living, according to which this
<br>new knowledge can be defined, are laid out:
<br>
<br>The Physics of the New Living, that tries to explore how things work,
<br>function, live.
<br>
<br>The Chemistry of the New Living, that tries to explore matter in this
<br>context, its particles, waves, atoms, bonds, molecules, crystals,
<br>materials, reactions.
<br>
<br>The Biology of the New Living, trying to understand what combinations
<br>of humans, non-humans, data, information, knowledge, computation and
<br>elements of the environment are able to express the characteristics of
<br>life, that are: order (cellularity, complexity); encoding (information
<br>processing); regulation (homeostasis); growth and evolution
<br>(autonomously, given enough resources); energy (metabolism);
<br>irritability, sensibility, mobility (interaction among peers, or with
<br>others); reproduction (giving life to other fertile organisms);
<br>evolutionary potential (horizontal, vertical, genetic, environmental
<br>and epigenetic, hence the capacity to adapt).
<br>
<br>The Ecology of the New Living, which holds the previous ones together,
<br>studying their relations, and that does not limit itself to
<br>observation, but proceeds to a performative attitude that is
<br>transformative of the present, throgh a social performance of
<br>imagination (for which we use the collaborative exploration of the
<br>present/future through Near Future Design).
<br>
<br>The seventh article, titled ?L?Archivio dei Rituali del Nuovo
<br>Abitare?, describes the main asset of the research center, the
<br>archive: ARNA, Archivio dei Rituali del Nuovo Abitare (Archive of the
<br>Rituals of the New Living).
<br>
<br>ARNA is described as:
<br>
<br>?ARNA is the archive of the knowledge developed about the Rituals of
<br>the New Living [...], which are the recurrent and encoded practices
<br>[...] in which data and computation enter daily life in ways that have
<br>a sufficient emotional engagement, an aesthetic component ? which can
<br>also be characteristic of different cultures in different times ?, an
<br>evolution ? to update its significance ?, a social function ? that
<br>allows to build and refresh bonding ?, and that have a defined
<br>positioning at a level of our psychology (unconscious, conscious,
<br>relational, social...)?.
<br>
<br>Derrida's Mal d?Archive (1995) is used to establish a parallel between
<br>psychology and the archive, to describe the ways in which power
<br>manifests itself in the research center, as well as the way in which
<br>reading the archive can revolutionize psychology (a data-psychology?).
<br>
<br>The Archive ?leaves open spaces that we can fill with ourselves, and
<br>that we can use to explore ourselves, in the archive and through the
<br>archive. In the space in-between.?
<br>
<br>Thus, if ARNA is the knowledge about the Rituals of the New Living (as
<br>we have defined it in the previous article), the Archive itself is the
<br>Psychology of the New Living, because it allows to:
<br>
<br>observe the New Living as an instrument for the exercise of power (who
<br>decides the order, and what is included/excluded/forgot/moved...);
<br>
<br>observe the open spaces that are created within the order, to
<br>understand how other actors express and take ownership, for their own
<br>self-representation;
<br>
<br>observe the synthesis, the instability, the game that is played, the
<br>resulting movement, to try to understand life-through-the-archive and
<br>archive-through-life.
<br>
<br>The following three articles will deal with:
<br>
<br>an autobiographical take on the meaning of why we are designing the
<br>research center in this way;
<br>
<br>the sustainability of the research center, both environmental,
<br>economic and psychological, with a section on Intellectual Property;
<br>
<br>the next steps.
<br>
<br>The next steps
<br>
<br>The next steps in the design and creation of the research center will
<br>be the following:
<br>
<br>the creation of a communication format for the open peer review, in
<br>which the concept of the research center will be broken down in
<br>different sections and each section will undergo a public peer review
<br>under the form of recurrent events;
<br>
<br>network building and extended feedback; using the outputs of the
<br>previous steps, and engaging the actors that have participated up to
<br>this moment together with their reference networks, with the role of
<br>validating/correcting the model and to start forming the CoPs, the
<br>Core CoP and the services and infrastructures;
<br>
<br>headquarters and fundraising; at this stage, the kinds of spaces,
<br>infrastructures, materials and skills needed for the research center
<br>will be clear and, thus, a fundraising stage and the active search for
<br>the headquarter/locations/services will begin, with private and public
<br>participation and also in consideration with the desired engagement
<br>with the local communities and territories;
<br>
<br>detailed design, executive design and multi-year planning of the
<br>implementation; we, then, will be ready to start planning for
<br>execution, to transform the concepts and diagrams into architectures,
<br>live processes and the life of the future research center.
<br>
<br>
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<br>Ostrom E. (1990) Governing the Commons: The Evolution of Institutions
<br>for Collective Action. Cambridge, UK: Cambridge University Press.
<br>
<br>Shaviro S. (2003) Connected ? or what it means to live in the network
<br>society. Minneapolis: University of Minnesota Press.
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>Roger in Dallas, please phone/txt/ +15108532007 if urgent
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<br>> To: roger malina <<a href="mailto:rmalina@alum.mit.edu">rmalina@alum.mit.edu</a>>
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<br>> Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] [Yasmin_announcements] yasmin
<br>> phoenicians and pirates: overcoming touch deprivation pharmakon and
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<br>> Meetings in private homes was also important in the 17th century. See the story of the Lunar Men in England, some of whom were barred from Universities because of religious beliefs but many of whom made important advances.
<br>>
<br>> <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Lunar-Men-Friends-Curiosity-Changed/dp/0374528888">https://www.amazon.com/Lunar-Men-Friends-Curiosity-Changed/dp/0374528888</a>
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<br>> > On 24 Feb 2021, at 3:42 pm, roger malina <<a href="mailto:rmalina@alum.mit.edu">rmalina@alum.mit.edu</a>> wrote:
<br>> >
<br>> > ?klaus frieder et yasmin pirates and phoenicians
<br>> >
<br>> > the discussion about 'little research labs' reminds me of the discussions thirty
<br>> > years by ago by Hakim Bey
<br>> > <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporary_Autonomous_Zone">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporary_Autonomous_Zone</a>
<br>> > advocating Temporary Autonomous Zones
<br>> >
<br>> > but also three years ago we started an artscience Air B and B in our
<br>> > family house in paris, annick bureaud has now been running a series
<br>> > of art science residencies there- where there MUST be a mixture of guests
<br>> > from different disciplines staying at the air b and b at teh same time
<br>> >
<br>> > private homes are where 19th century salons gathered proust and picasso
<br>> > and carl jung -universities are great-lots of heat and internet- but the kind
<br>> > of discussions that can go on in TAZ air b and b culture are really i think
<br>> > more generative of desirable outputs
<br>> >
<br>> > roger malina
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> > Roger in Dallas, please phone/txt/ +15108532007 if urgent
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> >> On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 2:18 AM xDxD.vs.xDxD <<a href="mailto:xdxd.vs.xdxd@gmail.com">xdxd.vs.xdxd@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
<br>> >>
<br>> >> Dear Frieder
<br>> >>>
<br>> >>> I am afraid, that takes away a lot from the situation of the little research center.
<br>> >>
<br>> >> it's really a choice. And it has its pros and cons. In a small organisation you have more freedom and agility, and you don't necessarily have to adhere to the rankings and mad quantities (for example of students and publications each year). You have a say in what you choose to do.
<br>> >> On the other hand there's more risk involved, and you have to be really active: there's no big organization that will back you up, or to provide the prestige or reputation. You will always be the odd one, or the one who really has to fight to get the point across.
<br>> >> But there's space for everyone. If the Internet taught us anything is that there is space both for Amazon and for niche boutiques. That is if boutiques manage to generate narratives and imaginaries that allow people to find them.
<br>> >>
<br>> >> Me and my wife abandoned universities like 6 years ago, and opened this "little research center".
<br>> >> Even if we're really small (there's 15 of us, plus several people who go back and forth) we partner with other larger universities and organizations, we work with the EU Commissions and governments etc: we do all the things which other research centers do. But being smaller, we can discuss and choose.
<br>> >>
<br>> >> We publish. We have institutional and strategic communication.
<br>> >> We have students, internships, masters. Many times, we hire (or work with) the people we taught something to.
<br>> >>
<br>> >> Soon, we will have an hotel, where we will live (some permanently, some temporarily), research, experiment, teach, learn, eat, invite, leave from, arrive at, etc
<br>> >>
<br>> >> In a way, we're more similar to what Donna Haraway would call a new type of kinship. Which is a nice thing to explore as a research center.
<br>> >>
<br>> >> And we have a model for it (we're completing the documentation right now (for now there's this: <a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YUwoq5yLXcHlC5YBelflJQhUZ0cvsU49/view?usp=sharing">https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YUwoq5yLXcHlC5YBelflJQhUZ0cvsU49/view?usp=sharing</a> ), so that it's also replicable, evolvable etc
<br>> >>
<br>> >> This is also a nice thing to explore on Yasmin: how to organize ourselves. Hope you explore with us!
<br>> >>
<br>> >> kind wishes
<br>> >> Salvatore
<br>> >>
<br>> >> (note: what address should we use in the Yasmin-phoenix transition? I saw that it is currently defaulting to forwarding to both addresses, as well to personal addresses. I will do this last one like this, and maybe from the next one I will only use the discussions address?)
<br>> >>
<br>> >> --
<br>> >> Art is Open Source - <a href="http://www.artisopensource.net">http://www.artisopensource.net</a>
<br>> >> Human Ecosystems Relazioni - <a href="https://www.he-r.it/">https://www.he-r.it/</a>
<br>> >> Ubiquitous Commons - <a href="http://www.ubiquitouscommons.org">http://www.ubiquitouscommons.org</a>
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<br>> klaus frieder et yasmin pirates and phoenicians
<br>>
<br>> the discussion about 'little research labs' reminds me of the discussions thirty
<br>> years by ago by Hakim Bey
<br>> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporary_Autonomous_Zone">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporary_Autonomous_Zone</a>
<br>> advocating Temporary Autonomous Zones
<br>>
<br>> but also three years ago we started an artscience Air B and B in our
<br>> family house in paris, annick bureaud has now been running a series
<br>> of art science residencies there- where there MUST be a mixture of guests
<br>> from different disciplines staying at the air b and b at teh same time
<br>>
<br>> private homes are where 19th century salons gathered proust and picasso
<br>> and carl jung -universities are great-lots of heat and internet- but the kind
<br>> of discussions that can go on in TAZ air b and b culture are really i think
<br>> more generative of desirable outputs
<br>>
<br>> roger malina
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Roger in Dallas, please phone/txt/ +15108532007 if urgent
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 2:18 AM xDxD.vs.xDxD <<a href="mailto:xdxd.vs.xdxd@gmail.com">xdxd.vs.xdxd@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
<br>> >
<br>> > Dear Frieder
<br>> >>
<br>> >> I am afraid, that takes away a lot from the situation of the little research center.
<br>> >
<br>> > it's really a choice. And it has its pros and cons. In a small organisation you have more freedom and agility, and you don't necessarily have to adhere to the rankings and mad quantities (for example of students and publications each year). You have a say in what you choose to do.
<br>> > On the other hand there's more risk involved, and you have to be really active: there's no big organization that will back you up, or to provide the prestige or reputation. You will always be the odd one, or the one who really has to fight to get the point across.
<br>> > But there's space for everyone. If the Internet taught us anything is that there is space both for Amazon and for niche boutiques. That is if boutiques manage to generate narratives and imaginaries that allow people to find them.
<br>> >
<br>> > Me and my wife abandoned universities like 6 years ago, and opened this "little research center".
<br>> > Even if we're really small (there's 15 of us, plus several people who go back and forth) we partner with other larger universities and organizations, we work with the EU Commissions and governments etc: we do all the things which other research centers do. But being smaller, we can discuss and choose.
<br>> >
<br>> > We publish. We have institutional and strategic communication.
<br>> > We have students, internships, masters. Many times, we hire (or work with) the people we taught something to.
<br>> >
<br>> > Soon, we will have an hotel, where we will live (some permanently, some temporarily), research, experiment, teach, learn, eat, invite, leave from, arrive at, etc
<br>> >
<br>> > In a way, we're more similar to what Donna Haraway would call a new type of kinship. Which is a nice thing to explore as a research center.
<br>> >
<br>> > And we have a model for it (we're completing the documentation right now (for now there's this: <a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YUwoq5yLXcHlC5YBelflJQhUZ0cvsU49/view?usp=sharing">https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YUwoq5yLXcHlC5YBelflJQhUZ0cvsU49/view?usp=sharing</a> ), so that it's also replicable, evolvable etc
<br>> >
<br>> > This is also a nice thing to explore on Yasmin: how to organize ourselves. Hope you explore with us!
<br>> >
<br>> > kind wishes
<br>> > Salvatore
<br>> >
<br>> > (note: what address should we use in the Yasmin-phoenix transition? I saw that it is currently defaulting to forwarding to both addresses, as well to personal addresses. I will do this last one like this, and maybe from the next one I will only use the discussions address?)
<br>> >
<br>> > --
<br>> > Art is Open Source - <a href="http://www.artisopensource.net">http://www.artisopensource.net</a>
<br>> > Human Ecosystems Relazioni - <a href="https://www.he-r.it/">https://www.he-r.it/</a>
<br>> > Ubiquitous Commons - <a href="http://www.ubiquitouscommons.org">http://www.ubiquitouscommons.org</a>
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<br>To: roger malina <<a href="mailto:rmalina@alum.mit.edu">rmalina@alum.mit.edu</a>>
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<br>Meetings in private homes was also important in the 17th century. See the story of the Lunar Men in England, some of whom were barred from Universities because of religious beliefs but many of whom made important advances.
<br>
<br><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Lunar-Men-Friends-Curiosity-Changed/dp/0374528888">https://www.amazon.com/Lunar-Men-Friends-Curiosity-Changed/dp/0374528888</a>
<br>
<br>Ernest
<br>
<br>______________________
<br><a href="http://ernestedmonds.com">http://ernestedmonds.com</a>
<br>
<br>> On 24 Feb 2021, at 3:42 pm, roger malina <<a href="mailto:rmalina@alum.mit.edu">rmalina@alum.mit.edu</a>> wrote:
<br>>
<br>> ?klaus frieder et yasmin pirates and phoenicians
<br>>
<br>> the discussion about 'little research labs' reminds me of the discussions thirty
<br>> years by ago by Hakim Bey
<br>> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporary_Autonomous_Zone">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporary_Autonomous_Zone</a>
<br>> advocating Temporary Autonomous Zones
<br>>
<br>> but also three years ago we started an artscience Air B and B in our
<br>> family house in paris, annick bureaud has now been running a series
<br>> of art science residencies there- where there MUST be a mixture of guests
<br>> from different disciplines staying at the air b and b at teh same time
<br>>
<br>> private homes are where 19th century salons gathered proust and picasso
<br>> and carl jung -universities are great-lots of heat and internet- but the kind
<br>> of discussions that can go on in TAZ air b and b culture are really i think
<br>> more generative of desirable outputs
<br>>
<br>> roger malina
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Roger in Dallas, please phone/txt/ +15108532007 if urgent
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>> On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 2:18 AM xDxD.vs.xDxD <<a href="mailto:xdxd.vs.xdxd@gmail.com">xdxd.vs.xdxd@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
<br>>>
<br>>> Dear Frieder
<br>>>>
<br>>>> I am afraid, that takes away a lot from the situation of the little research center.
<br>>>
<br>>> it's really a choice. And it has its pros and cons. In a small organisation you have more freedom and agility, and you don't necessarily have to adhere to the rankings and mad quantities (for example of students and publications each year). You have a say in what you choose to do.
<br>>> On the other hand there's more risk involved, and you have to be really active: there's no big organization that will back you up, or to provide the prestige or reputation. You will always be the odd one, or the one who really has to fight to get the point across.
<br>>> But there's space for everyone. If the Internet taught us anything is that there is space both for Amazon and for niche boutiques. That is if boutiques manage to generate narratives and imaginaries that allow people to find them.
<br>>>
<br>>> Me and my wife abandoned universities like 6 years ago, and opened this "little research center".
<br>>> Even if we're really small (there's 15 of us, plus several people who go back and forth) we partner with other larger universities and organizations, we work with the EU Commissions and governments etc: we do all the things which other research centers do. But being smaller, we can discuss and choose.
<br>>>
<br>>> We publish. We have institutional and strategic communication.
<br>>> We have students, internships, masters. Many times, we hire (or work with) the people we taught something to.
<br>>>
<br>>> Soon, we will have an hotel, where we will live (some permanently, some temporarily), research, experiment, teach, learn, eat, invite, leave from, arrive at, etc
<br>>>
<br>>> In a way, we're more similar to what Donna Haraway would call a new type of kinship. Which is a nice thing to explore as a research center.
<br>>>
<br>>> And we have a model for it (we're completing the documentation right now (for now there's this: <a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YUwoq5yLXcHlC5YBelflJQhUZ0cvsU49/view?usp=sharing">https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YUwoq5yLXcHlC5YBelflJQhUZ0cvsU49/view?usp=sharing</a> ), so that it's also replicable, evolvable etc
<br>>>
<br>>> This is also a nice thing to explore on Yasmin: how to organize ourselves. Hope you explore with us!
<br>>>
<br>>> kind wishes
<br>>> Salvatore
<br>>>
<br>>> (note: what address should we use in the Yasmin-phoenix transition? I saw that it is currently defaulting to forwarding to both addresses, as well to personal addresses. I will do this last one like this, and maybe from the next one I will only use the discussions address?)
<br>>>
<br>>> --
<br>>> Art is Open Source - <a href="http://www.artisopensource.net">http://www.artisopensource.net</a>
<br>>> Human Ecosystems Relazioni - <a href="https://www.he-r.it/">https://www.he-r.it/</a>
<br>>> Ubiquitous Commons - <a href="http://www.ubiquitouscommons.org">http://www.ubiquitouscommons.org</a>
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<br>To: "xDxD.vs.xDxD" <<a href="mailto:xdxd.vs.xdxd@gmail.com">xdxd.vs.xdxd@gmail.com</a>>, Annick Cell Bureaud
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<br>klaus frieder et yasmin pirates and phoenicians
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<br>the discussion about 'little research labs' reminds me of the discussions thirty
<br>years by ago by Hakim Bey
<br><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporary_Autonomous_Zone">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporary_Autonomous_Zone</a>
<br>advocating Temporary Autonomous Zones
<br>
<br>but also three years ago we started an artscience Air B and B in our
<br>family house in paris, annick bureaud has now been running a series
<br>of art science residencies there- where there MUST be a mixture of guests
<br>from different disciplines staying at the air b and b at teh same time
<br>
<br>private homes are where 19th century salons gathered proust and picasso
<br>and carl jung -universities are great-lots of heat and internet- but the kind
<br>of discussions that can go on in TAZ air b and b culture are really i think
<br>more generative of desirable outputs
<br>
<br>roger malina
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<br>Roger in Dallas, please phone/txt/ +15108532007 if urgent
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<br>On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 2:18 AM xDxD.vs.xDxD <<a href="mailto:xdxd.vs.xdxd@gmail.com">xdxd.vs.xdxd@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
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<br>> Dear Frieder
<br>>>
<br>>> I am afraid, that takes away a lot from the situation of the little research center.
<br>>
<br>> it's really a choice. And it has its pros and cons. In a small organisation you have more freedom and agility, and you don't necessarily have to adhere to the rankings and mad quantities (for example of students and publications each year). You have a say in what you choose to do.
<br>> On the other hand there's more risk involved, and you have to be really active: there's no big organization that will back you up, or to provide the prestige or reputation. You will always be the odd one, or the one who really has to fight to get the point across.
<br>> But there's space for everyone. If the Internet taught us anything is that there is space both for Amazon and for niche boutiques. That is if boutiques manage to generate narratives and imaginaries that allow people to find them.
<br>>
<br>> Me and my wife abandoned universities like 6 years ago, and opened this "little research center".
<br>> Even if we're really small (there's 15 of us, plus several people who go back and forth) we partner with other larger universities and organizations, we work with the EU Commissions and governments etc: we do all the things which other research centers do. But being smaller, we can discuss and choose.
<br>>
<br>> We publish. We have institutional and strategic communication.
<br>> We have students, internships, masters. Many times, we hire (or work with) the people we taught something to.
<br>>
<br>> Soon, we will have an hotel, where we will live (some permanently, some temporarily), research, experiment, teach, learn, eat, invite, leave from, arrive at, etc
<br>>
<br>> In a way, we're more similar to what Donna Haraway would call a new type of kinship. Which is a nice thing to explore as a research center.
<br>>
<br>> And we have a model for it (we're completing the documentation right now (for now there's this: <a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YUwoq5yLXcHlC5YBelflJQhUZ0cvsU49/view?usp=sharing">https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YUwoq5yLXcHlC5YBelflJQhUZ0cvsU49/view?usp=sharing</a> ), so that it's also replicable, evolvable etc
<br>>
<br>> This is also a nice thing to explore on Yasmin: how to organize ourselves. Hope you explore with us!
<br>>
<br>> kind wishes
<br>> Salvatore
<br>>
<br>> (note: what address should we use in the Yasmin-phoenix transition? I saw that it is currently defaulting to forwarding to both addresses, as well to personal addresses. I will do this last one like this, and maybe from the next one I will only use the discussions address?)
<br>>
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<br>> Human Ecosystems Relazioni - <a href="https://www.he-r.it/">https://www.he-r.it/</a>
<br>> Ubiquitous Commons - <a href="http://www.ubiquitouscommons.org">http://www.ubiquitouscommons.org</a>
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<br>Salvatore makes an excellent point about how the size of an organization does not automatically reflect on the group's ability to produce meaningful results. Beyond sheer size of larger research organizations, the one component they may (or may not) contain is the ability to easily and widely disseminate the results of their efforts. Perhaps what we could discuss, as a group, are methodologies for both dissemination AND promotion of work performed by smaller research entities.
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<br>Cook et al discuss how increasing the size of a research group does not necessarily proportionally increase output. Instead, they find "that an increase in productivity will be achieved by funding more PIs with small research groups ...."
<br><a href="https://peerj.com/articles/989.pdf">https://peerj.com/articles/989.pdf</a>
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<br>So, the question is, what can folks do to increase the visibility and viability of small research groups? The more such groups exist, I believe, the greater the number of avenues of exploration will be traveled, resulting in an increase in needed solutions.
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<br>Dear Frieder
<br>
<br>> I am afraid, that takes away a lot from the situation of the little
<br>> research center.
<br>>
<br>it's really a choice. And it has its pros and cons. In a small organisation you have more freedom and agility, and you don't necessarily have to adhere to the rankings and mad quantities (for example of students and publications each year). You have a say in what you choose to do.
<br>On the other hand there's more risk involved, and you have to be really
<br>active: there's no big organization that will back you up, or to provide the prestige or reputation. You will always be the odd one, or the one who really has to fight to get the point across.
<br>But there's space for everyone. If the Internet taught us anything is that there is space both for Amazon and for niche boutiques. That is if boutiques manage to generate narratives and imaginaries that allow people to find them.
<br>
<br><snip>
<br>
<br>kind wishes
<br>Salvatore
<br>
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<br>Cc: Malina Roger <<a href="mailto:rmalina@alum.mit.edu">rmalina@alum.mit.edu</a>>, Ranwa Yehia
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<br>Dear Yasminers.
<br>
<br>As getting bombarded since 2 weeks with daily discussions from you (seemingly out of the past), I take the stance for a comment / reply.
<br>
<br>As artist having dealt with research / both scientific / thematic and via residencies & paper presentations, the pandemic has urged me to stay in my Studio for now almost one year, clinging to the canvas, its subject and its outcome.
<br>
<br>As in the past, engaging with research subjects, whether on land-use, the Anthropocene, or on philosophical speculations, the artist (me) was suddenly always embedded in a realm of representations, whether of the scientific community, tourism, the tech world etc., or on the other side avoiding the arts market ?capitalism? as a kind of critique, always suddenly also branded as such.
<br>
<br>If there is freedom in the arts, whether based on knowledge, or whether on arts for arts sake, needs to opt out of ?representation? and not been taken as a brainchild for other means.
<br>
<br>As even CERN offers now residencies for artists, to support the ?theory / proof? matter on a 9 Bio $ scale, with no end in sight to find ?dark matter? and ?dark energy?, but in need of a link to an audience, that is rather speechless about the same way the scientific community is leading its way into grandeur style to make ?earth fail? at the end, renders me the same speechless, not to say unwilling to follow.
<br>
<br>As the arts community is now a bit limited, but auctions soar, this seems the same coin of the overall condition / situation.
<br>
<br>Its not bad to acknowledge over use of resources in both strains of the consumerism, the art world and scientific community alike, means we are all held accountable on different spots.
<br>
<br>To stay in the studio and follow the color seems a luxury on one side, not following any ?representational? strains, nor being able for research on site, but to follow a color drip in the composition is one responsibility I am willing to take atm.
<br>
<br>Any other means of ?embedded? critical or non critical representations dont pay my studio rent, and dont make me move atm. This may change as soon the vaccine will be available to all, but sth. will remain in memory, the often too soon taken for granted position of the artists creativity for other means.
<br>
<br>So, from my Berlin Studio, I?d just liked to add some thoughts for tonite.
<br>Hope you are fine, my scientific research community from the past in my email box.
<br>
<br>KLAUS HU / STUDIO KLAUS HU / BERLIN
<br>> currently in progress > <a href="https://klaushu.blogspot.com/2015/01/hi-altitude-2019-21.html">https://klaushu.blogspot.com/2015/01/hi-altitude-2019-21.html</a> <<a href="https://klaushu.blogspot.com/2015/01/hi-altitude-2019-21.html">https://klaushu.blogspot.com/2015/01/hi-altitude-2019-21.html</a>>
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<br>> On Feb 15, 2021, at 9:18 AM, YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <<a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>> wrote:
<br>>
<br>> Dear Frieder
<br>>
<br>>> I am afraid, that takes away a lot from the situation of the little
<br>>> research center.
<br>>>
<br>> it's really a choice. And it has its pros and cons. In a small organisation
<br>> you have more freedom and agility, and you don't necessarily have to adhere
<br>> to the rankings and mad quantities (for example of students and
<br>> publications each year). You have a say in what you choose to do.
<br>> On the other hand there's more risk involved, and you have to be really
<br>> active: there's no big organization that will back you up, or to provide
<br>> the prestige or reputation. You will always be the odd one, or the one who
<br>> really has to fight to get the point across.
<br>> But there's space for everyone. If the Internet taught us anything is that
<br>> there is space both for Amazon and for niche boutiques. That is if
<br>> boutiques manage to generate narratives and imaginaries that allow people
<br>> to find them.
<br>>
<br>> Me and my wife abandoned universities like 6 years ago, and opened this
<br>> "little research center".
<br>> Even if we're really small (there's 15 of us, plus several people who go
<br>> back and forth) we partner with other larger universities and
<br>> organizations, we work with the EU Commissions and governments etc: we do
<br>> all the things which other research centers do. But being smaller, we can
<br>> discuss and choose.
<br>>
<br>> We publish. We have institutional and strategic communication.
<br>> We have students, internships, masters. Many times, we hire (or work with)
<br>> the people we taught something to.
<br>>
<br>> Soon, we will have an hotel, where we will live (some permanently, some
<br>> temporarily), research, experiment, teach, learn, eat, invite, leave from,
<br>> arrive at, etc
<br>>
<br>> In a way, we're more similar to what Donna Haraway would call a new type of
<br>> kinship. Which is a nice thing to explore as a research center.
<br>>
<br>> And we have a model for it (we're completing the documentation right now
<br>> (for now there's this:
<br>> <a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YUwoq5yLXcHlC5YBelflJQhUZ0cvsU49/view?usp=sharing">https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YUwoq5yLXcHlC5YBelflJQhUZ0cvsU49/view?usp=sharing</a>
<br>> ), so that it's also replicable, evolvable etc
<br>>
<br>> This is also a nice thing to explore on Yasmin: how to organize ourselves.
<br>> Hope you explore with us!
<br>>
<br>> kind wishes
<br>> Salvatore
<br>>
<br>> (note: what address should we use in the Yasmin-phoenix transition? I saw
<br>> that it is currently defaulting to forwarding to both addresses, as well to
<br>> personal addresses. I will do this last one like this, and maybe from the
<br>> next one I will only use the discussions address?)
<br>>
<br>> --
<br>> *Art is Open Source *- <a href="http://www.artisopensource.net">http://www.artisopensource.net</a>
<br>> *Human Ecosystems Relazioni* - <a href="https://www.he-r.it/">https://www.he-r.it/</a>
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<br>To: Nina Yankowitz <<a href="mailto:nyankowitz@gmail.com">nyankowitz@gmail.com</a>>,
<br> <a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>, Cassini Nazir <<a href="mailto:cassininazir@gmail.com">cassininazir@gmail.com</a>>,
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<br>nina nina yankowitz
<br>yes short and to the point your provocation
<br>"Biosphere and cultural perceptions about ?Good and Evil? quests as
<br>reflective mirrors of the time I think IS THE VALUE of continuing
<br>Yasmin".
<br>
<br>so how could yasmin help trigger desirable micro-outcomes that shift
<br>us to futures we have thought about before they happen
<br>
<br>there are 8 billion humans on the planet, organised in hives a bit
<br>like bees. The black bees and the yellow bees fight whenever they
<br>encroach on a desirable territory- so yasmin can question the
<br>biosphere ( love that one- yes the biosphere is talking back) and
<br>question cultural perceptions- after all astronomers know that 95% of
<br>the universe doest emit electromagnetic signals of any kind ( nor does
<br>the biosphere) so how can we perceive the biosphere and how do we
<br>perceive culture to trigger desirable micro-outcomes with yasmin as
<br>the instigator?
<br>
<br>yes cybernetics, yes complex systems science, yes collective
<br>intelligence rather than the collective stupidity that Texas
<br>just exhibited during a minor snow storm that taught texans how the
<br>rest of the world lives most of the time: disrupted
<br>
<br>the shift to terminology of 'desirable micro-outcomes' comes from
<br>cassini nazir at university of north texas-perhaps
<br>he can explain his concept of designing desirable micro-outcomes (
<br>and stop thinking about projects as the focus)
<br>
<br>salvatore please help us think aloud collectively
<br>
<br>
<br>Roger in Dallas, please phone/txt/ +15108532007 if urgent
<br>
<br>
<br>On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 1:06 PM Nina Yankowitz <<a href="mailto:nyankowitz@gmail.com">nyankowitz@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
<br>>
<br>> Hi Dimitri,
<br>> I meant to include you in my SHORT & SWEET
<br>> reply so I?m sending again.
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Hi Alyce, Roger, Dimitri and all,
<br>>
<br>> A SHORT & SWEET REPLY ANSWER (I think).
<br>> Biosphere and cultural perceptions about ?Good and Evil? quests as reflective mirrors of the time I think IS THE VALUE of continuing Yasmin.
<br>>
<br>> Going forward with flexible analytic groups to examine ever-changing old and current issues presented by ?then and now? philosophers, scientists, Citizen Scientists, and artist creative investigators, incestigators, outlier efforts, is an important and unique amalgamation algorithm that Yasmin can provide for bringing about ?New? questions.
<br>>
<br>> Best regards,
<br>> Nina
<br>>
<br>> Nina Yankowitz
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<br>> Mobile or text (1)917-575-0671
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<br>> Vimeopro.com/userninay/art-nina-yankowitz
<br>>
<br>> Nina Yankowitz History-Smithsonian Archives of American Art
<br>>
<br>> <a href="http://www.aaa.si.edu/download_pdf_transcript/ajax?record_id=edanmdm-AAADCD_oh_394656">http://www.aaa.si.edu/download_pdf_transcript/ajax?record_id=edanmdm-AAADCD_oh_394656</a>
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<br>> On Feb 2, 2021, at 10:50 AM, xDxD.vs.xDxD <<a href="mailto:xdxd.vs.xdxd@gmail.com">xdxd.vs.xdxd@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
<br>>
<br>> ?
<br>> Hello Dimitris and everyone!
<br>> it's really nice to see this in the inbox :)
<br>>
<br>>> What would we like to see YASMIN evolving into in the post-pandemic era ?
<br>>
<br>> you know Dimitris, I really enjoy staying up to date in what all of you are doing and, as a matter of fact, this kind of curated, selectes, communal kind of selection that can take place in this kind of mailing list helps a lot to grasp signal from noise. From this point of view, I wish there was more of this storytelling. What are you all doing? Don't keep it to yourselves in these times of isolation and of communicational fatigue. I have always had good ideas come up from our interactions.
<br>>
<br>> And, on top of that, I think that in these times one other thing that could really spice things up in meaningful ways would be the idea of collaboration.
<br>> If, on the one hand, I love to hear what you're doing, I would love even more doing something together.
<br>> So why not have collaborations from the beginning of the process? Project ideas, partner search, collaborative project writing etc
<br>> Let's do a European project together! Let's find some grants together and tackle one or more of the topics we are talking about.
<br>> I've done it already with a couple of you all and it's been wonderful. I guess that doing it as an explicitly out in the public, would bring people further together and give even more the sense of a Mediterranean way to arts+science+technology
<br>>
<br>> to help this not get out of hand, maybe for both these things we could have "formats" or something like it: a "what are you up to" format, a "project idea" format, a "partner search" format etc
<br>>
<br>> or, we may find out that the "format" thing is too cumbersome, and we just need the intention and purpose, and that communal informality fits more the mediterranean. I don't know, and I can't say it alone.
<br>>
<br>> But i wanted to bring these two things out, as I feel that they could help shape a shared effort and bring us closer together (and also augment Yasmin's impact)
<br>>
<br>> cheers and hugs!
<br>> Salvatore
<br>>
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<br>> Human Ecosystems Relazioni - <a href="https://www.he-r.it/">https://www.he-r.it/</a>
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<br>Dear Frieder
<br>
<br>> I am afraid, that takes away a lot from the situation of the little
<br>> research center.
<br>>
<br>it's really a choice. And it has its pros and cons. In a small organisation
<br>you have more freedom and agility, and you don't necessarily have to adhere
<br>to the rankings and mad quantities (for example of students and
<br>publications each year). You have a say in what you choose to do.
<br>On the other hand there's more risk involved, and you have to be really
<br>active: there's no big organization that will back you up, or to provide
<br>the prestige or reputation. You will always be the odd one, or the one who
<br>really has to fight to get the point across.
<br>But there's space for everyone. If the Internet taught us anything is that
<br>there is space both for Amazon and for niche boutiques. That is if
<br>boutiques manage to generate narratives and imaginaries that allow people
<br>to find them.
<br>
<br>Me and my wife abandoned universities like 6 years ago, and opened this
<br>"little research center".
<br>Even if we're really small (there's 15 of us, plus several people who go
<br>back and forth) we partner with other larger universities and
<br>organizations, we work with the EU Commissions and governments etc: we do
<br>all the things which other research centers do. But being smaller, we can
<br>discuss and choose.
<br>
<br>We publish. We have institutional and strategic communication.
<br>We have students, internships, masters. Many times, we hire (or work with)
<br>the people we taught something to.
<br>
<br>Soon, we will have an hotel, where we will live (some permanently, some
<br>temporarily), research, experiment, teach, learn, eat, invite, leave from,
<br>arrive at, etc
<br>
<br>In a way, we're more similar to what Donna Haraway would call a new type of
<br>kinship. Which is a nice thing to explore as a research center.
<br>
<br>And we have a model for it (we're completing the documentation right now
<br>(for now there's this:
<br><a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YUwoq5yLXcHlC5YBelflJQhUZ0cvsU49/view?usp=sharing">https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YUwoq5yLXcHlC5YBelflJQhUZ0cvsU49/view?usp=sharing</a>
<br>), so that it's also replicable, evolvable etc
<br>
<br>This is also a nice thing to explore on Yasmin: how to organize ourselves.
<br>Hope you explore with us!
<br>
<br>kind wishes
<br>Salvatore
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<br>(note: what address should we use in the Yasmin-phoenix transition? I saw
<br>that it is currently defaulting to forwarding to both addresses, as well to
<br>personal addresses. I will do this last one like this, and maybe from the
<br>next one I will only use the discussions address?)
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<br>Dear Frieder and Roger, and also John and Siddharth, who were discussing so
<br>nicely about the transformations in sciences,
<br>
<br>speaking about ecology, we could approach this by keeping in mind that
<br>ecology is the science that studies relationships between organisms and
<br>their environment, and that "organisms" does not necessarily means humans
<br>or animals or plants or viruses, and environment does not necessarily mean
<br>nature(?).
<br>
<br>what is "natural"? we have encountered this question millions of times in
<br>many forms.
<br>
<br>and what is "immediate"? which literally means not-mediated. What does it
<br>even mean?
<br>
<br>technologies change us, and we change technologies. And this goes the same
<br>with the environment, with law, with communication etc
<br>
<br>in our little research center, during the pandemics, we did an experiment
<br>called Data Meditations
<br>
<br><a href="https://www.he-r.it/project/data-meditations/">https://www.he-r.it/project/data-meditations/</a>
<br>
<br>we were not satisfied at all about how media and governments were using
<br>data and how they were using the concepts of lockdowns. Everything looked
<br>too much like war, prison or mental asylums. Instead, cultures of all times
<br>and origins are full of examples of "lockdowns" that do not incarcerate
<br>people but, instead, are meant to uplift them: monasteries, hermitages,
<br>retreats, spiritual isolations. We just could not accept that everywhere we
<br>looked we found all of the first type, and none of the second.
<br>
<br>So we started doing Data Meditations. Communities chose to generate data
<br>about their psycho-social well being, in non extractive ways, as part of
<br>their self-representation, and at a certain time of day we had a meditative
<br>ritual.
<br>
<br>Presence was required, and it was technologically enabled. No advanced
<br>stuff like VR was needed, just the fact that we had a time at which the
<br>ritual should have started, and that when people arrived their little light
<br>would turn green, and the fact that if most lights did not turn on the
<br>access to the ritual would not become accessible. In the feedback phase,
<br>people told us that they felt this presence, like a new sense, a tactile
<br>tension, with real effects.
<br>
<br>On top of that, people would feel their own data as well as someone else's:
<br>data was transformed into sounds and you would hear in back along a
<br>timeline: yours on the left ear and your Other's on the right ear. So you
<br>could not avoid comparing: who woke up earlier, who had been alone all day,
<br>who had been anxious or happy, and so on. On top of that data has this
<br>phantasmatic characteristic: it just cannot represent everything. This
<br>means that it leaves voids, and empty spaces for interpretation. These two
<br>things together added up, and a form of data enabled empathy formed
<br>spontaneously.
<br>
<br>Now in our little research center we are also thinking about the non-human,
<br>just like Roger was suggesting. Since a building, neighbourhoods, cities,
<br>forests, animals, seas, companies and viruses all emit data as "part of
<br>their autobiographies", can we imagine to have Data Meditation session with
<br>them? To develop new forms of empathies and sensibilities with them? And,
<br>in case of a positive answer: what does it even mean? And can we unite in
<br>these new sensibilities with other human beings (and non-humans), just like
<br>we think we can with the senses of our flesh and nervous systems? (and,
<br>here again, I find myself troubled by this last sentence, because: where
<br>does our nervous system end?)
<br>
<br>Enormous questions. Small, boutique, research center. We'd love to discuss
<br>and collaborate.
<br>
<br>Kind wishes,
<br>Salvatore
<br>
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<br>On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 10:35 AM nake <<a href="mailto:nake@uni-bremen.de">nake@uni-bremen.de</a>> wrote:
<br>
<br>> Dear Roger,
<br>>
<br>> never tired, as I have always known you!
<br>>
<br>> Implicitly, with your greatly open thinking, you make me realize how
<br>> old-fashioned and limited to my own body my way of thinking has become.
<br>> But, in some way, I want to insist on the great immediacy of the bodily
<br>> senses, even if those humans who suffer some principle lack or loss of
<br>> one or more of those biologically given senses are to be deplored.
<br>>
<br>> Your wonderful collection of other very individual experiences we can
<br>> have now (and since long times), and that we do, in fact, experience,
<br>> are mediated and, to a large extent, products of mental capabilities of
<br>> our existence. The digital and algorithmic is not immediate. The
<br>> immediate is natural, given, and the source of sins for the religious
<br>> friends of ours; the mediated is what comes after, cultural and made.
<br>>
<br>> Don't you think?
<br>>
<br>> Snow and white out here in the North of Germany. Almost silence. Only
<br>> the rare car cuts through. Birds still in the air, in search of food, I
<br>> suppose.
<br>>
<br>> Frieder
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> On 08.02.21 17:56, roger malina wrote:
<br>> > ranwa, frieder, slavatore et yasmin phoenicians
<br>> > a) let me pick up on frieders"
<br>> > We could touch our old neighbor next door. We will never touch any of
<br>> > all those others. We lose our skin and gain a bodiless existence.
<br>> > Digital. Algorithmic.Frieder Nake
<br>> >
<br>> > b) roger replies- strange how the sense of touch has become more
<br>> > crucial than ever in this time when
<br>> > touching is suspicious- the blind rely on the sense of touch to
<br>> > navigate their own virtual reality-but now when they touch repeatedly
<br>> > they are told to stop, to reduce the spread of the virus
<br>> > last friday Dr Jin Kim of our dallas universities computer science
<br>> > department told us about his research on develop a very advanced state
<br>> > of 'touch' and proprioception in virtual reality
<br>> >
<br>> > c)my instant post pandemic provocation is why, why, reproduce in
<br>> > virtual reality the sense of human physical touch ? let's invent new
<br>> > senses that can be deployed in virtual reality- like a sense for
<br>> > trends in climate change. or the presence of covid q9 near us- our
<br>> > dear recently departed stiegler would have insisted
<br>> > <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmakon_(philosophy)">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmakon_(philosophy)</a> on a new
<br>> > pharkaon for the post pandemic age - so yes frieder- the sense of
<br>> > touch is greatly needed to be enhanced today, but lets use the methods
<br>> > of the pharmakon to create enhanced sense of touch in the post
<br>> > pandemic world, and lets invite the yasmin pirates to do their damage
<br>> > and liberate us from old ways of thinking in the post pandemic world
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> > d) frieder again: Now, "global" has become when so many of us feel our
<br>> > neighbor, physically next door, is emotionally or intellectually or in
<br>> > terms of shared interests or in collaborating on some project or in
<br>> > exchanging exciting ideas, etc., farther away from us than a dozen or
<br>> > more people around the globe.
<br>> >
<br>> > frieder continues:
<br>> >
<br>> > We could touch our old neighbor next door. We will never touch any of
<br>> > all those others. We lose our skin and gain a bodiless existence.
<br>> > Digital. Algorithmic.
<br>> >
<br>> > Frieder Nake
<br>> >
<br>> > Roger in Dallas, please phone/txt/ +15108532007 if urgent
<br>> >
<br>> ______________________________________________________________________
<br>>
<br>> Frieder Nake
<br>> Universit?t Bremen, FB3 (Informatik)
<br>> P.O. Box 330 440, 28334 Bremen, Germany
<br>> (for parcels use: Bibliothekstr. 1, 28359 Bremen, Germany)
<br>>
<br>>
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<br>Hi Alyce, Roger, and all,
<br>
<br>SHORT & SWEET REPLY ANSWER (I think).
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<br>Biosphere and cultural perceptions about ?Good and Evil? quests as reflective mirrors of the time I think too IS THE VALUE of continuing Yasmin.
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<br>Going forward with flexible analytic groups to examine ever-changing old and current issues presented by ?then and now? philosophers, scientists, Citizen Scientists, and artist creative investigators, incestigators, outlier efforts, is an important and unique amalgamation algorithm that Yasmin can provide for bringing about ?New? questions.
<br>Best regards,
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<br>I would be very interested by the papers claiming that ideas we have are
<br>independant to our appearance.
<br>I think it is only true given the definitions and scopes given. I think
<br>that our body shape, inner image, and body usage is important in supporting
<br>our ideas streams and evolution (rythmn, speed, nature). As a performer
<br>artist and as a scientist, in my experience it is clear, and for others, I
<br>see frequently people respond to the outer (social image), respond with
<br>ideas and actions and inner image.
<br>
<br>As for the question of the "nature of viruses" shaping our ideas, well,
<br>"nature of virus" needs to be defined, to my knowledge there is no
<br>scientific meaning behind that. However, it is clear that through the
<br>social impact of such virus as SARS-CoV2, it is clearly influencing our
<br>ideas (their object, and the goals and impact of our ideas may be more
<br>strongly cnnnected to 2020's situation, social, environmental etc). In a
<br>more direct manner, ie through genomic, I'm not aware of such process but
<br>it may exists.
<br>
<br>The point of "good" and "bad" virus was the point that provoked me to write
<br>here. "so how do we cross connect yasmin, with the biosphere and the world
<br>of
<br>the viruses we need to learn how to love (the good ones, not the bad ones)
<br>". Viruses are not good or bad in themself, it's a point of view, and it
<br>depends on the timescale. At the individual level, when sickness and death
<br>is involved, it is clearly bad, at the macro-social level, from a human
<br>perspective it is clearly bad too, but from an environment perspective is
<br>has its good points; from a genomic and genetic shuffle, increase of
<br>genomic diversity, it is good, and at long term, there may emerge a genetic
<br>based advantage for the human race to have caught such virus, but it is
<br>hard to tell right now. However, lock downs and strong reduction of human
<br>travels is also reducing hetero genetic encounter and genetic shuffling
<br>through sexual reproduction.
<br>
<br>In biology, there is no good or bad, there is evolution, functions (as a
<br>concept of "what is happening"), and better fit to survival or genetic
<br>spreading.
<br>
<br>I don't know any way to love any virus. Indifference and fear seem to me
<br>more appropriate associated concepts for such entities, fear especially,
<br>for SARS-CoV2.
<br>
<br>I can't stop thinking however about how such pandemy is pushing imagination
<br>and creativity to keep going, survive, meditate and embrace our situation
<br>as human being able to influence in many ways on the societies, and the
<br>biosphere in general, in particular at the level of animal-human
<br>relationships. Way too many animals are being massacred because of covid19
<br>"being around" and fear of inability ot think of solutions, or gather the
<br>funds and ressources of help those animals whom freedom and libre-arbitre
<br>was stolen. Animal genocides. Maybe it is a good moment to take a very good
<br>look to what we are allowing to happen, without taking responsibility (few
<br>are, but clearly only few). Why can't such topic be treated by arts and
<br>biology? Covid19 can be seen as a catalytic component, accelerating a
<br>change for more consciousness, awareness and responsibility.
<br>
<br>Mathieu
<br>
<br>
<br>Le mar. 2 f?vr. 2021 ? 18:37, YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <
<br><a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>> a ?crit :
<br>
<br>> yasminers
<br>>
<br>> Alyce Santoro pushes us to think differently with her reply to our
<br>> discussions on whether YASMIN should re-arise ;like a phoenix after
<br>> the pandemic. I think her reply is : MAYBE NOT- read on
<br>>
<br>> alyce says: knowledge production reinforces an impression that humans
<br>> are autonomous entities/outside observers, separate from one another
<br>> and the biosphere?
<br>> and goes on to explain that humans are in-separable from viruses as
<br>> the pandemic is now teaching us again.
<br>>
<br>> my comment: scientists realised only recently that the ideas we have,
<br>> are as independent of the shape of our body as the shape of our
<br>> clothes are ( einstein) so we now need to quote Alyce Santoro are the
<br>> ideas we have independent of the nature of our viruses ?
<br>>
<br>> so how do we cross connect yasmin, with the biosphere and the world of
<br>> the viruses we need to learn how to love (the good ones, not the bad
<br>> ones)
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Roger Malina
<br>>
<br>> Alyce you say:
<br>> knowledge production reinforce an impression that humans are
<br>> autonomous entities/outside observers, separate from one another and
<br>> the biosphere? Rather, might a fundamental sense of situatedness
<br>> within, instead of outside of or above, an externalized conception of
<br>> ?nature? lead to more constructive, egalitarian,
<br>> humanist/post-humanist, solutions?and might creative practitioners
<br>> ?excavating Could it be that empirical, hierarchical, dualistic forms
<br>> of in the terrains of science? contribute to revealing ?that where
<br>> scientists [alone] could not"? The virus has powerfully demonstrated
<br>> the ways in which humanity is interwoven with and inseparable from the
<br>> vast milieu of planetary systems and forces
<br>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 12:35 PM Alyce Santoro <<a href="mailto:alyce@alycesantoro.com">alyce@alycesantoro.com</a>>
<br>> wrote:
<br>>>
<br>>> Dear All,
<br>>>
<br>>> I would like to elaborate on the point Stephen raises below: "Art
<br>> excavating in the terrains of science, can reveal that where the scientists
<br>> could not?. In a post to the group last April, I asked whether the
<br>> objective stance we are obliged to take as good scientists may lead to an
<br>> unintended consequence: knowledge production reinforce an impression that
<br>> humans are autonomous entities/outside observers, separate from one another
<br>> and the biosphere? Rather, might a fundamental sense of situatedness
<br>> within, instead of outside of or above, an externalized conception of
<br>> ?nature? lead to more constructive, egalitarian, humanist/post-humanist,
<br>> solutions?and might creative practitioners ?excavating Could it be that
<br>> empirical, hierarchical, dualistic forms of in the terrains of science?
<br>> contribute to revealing ?that where scientists [alone] could not"? The
<br>> virus has powerfully demonstrated the ways in which humanity is interwoven
<br>> with and inseparable from the vast milieu of planetary systems and
<br>> forces?at the same time it has emphasized the need for sound science and
<br>> clear science communication.
<br>>>
<br>>> I ask: Can dualism be applied when due, while undue dualism is undone?
<br>>>
<br>>> I would also like to express appreciation for Roger?s mention of Gary
<br>> Hall?s pirate philosophy and Guillermo Munoz? Piratas de la Ciencia. Here
<br>> in the US, Science for the People is doing excellent work to challenge
<br>> "militarization of scientific research, the corporate control of research
<br>> agendas, the political implications of sociobiology and other scientific
<br>> theories, the environmental consequences of energy policy, inequalities in
<br>> health care, and many other issues.?
<br>>>
<br>>> Along the lines of pirate philosophy and the concept of mutual aid, I
<br>> would like to add a recommendation to the work of social
<br>> ecologist/communitarian anarchist philosopher John P. Clark. The Impossible
<br>> Community, Realizing Communitarian Anarchy and Anarchy, Geography,
<br>> Modernity: Selected Writings of Elis?e Reclus.
<br>>>
<br>>> In solidarity,
<br>>> Alyce Santoro
<br>>> <a href="http://alycesantoro.com">alycesantoro.com</a>
<br>>>
<br>>>
<br>>>
<br>>>
<br>>> On Jan 31, 2021, at 7:52 PM, YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <
<br>> <a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>> wrote:
<br>>>
<br>>>
<br>>> Yasmin Phoenicians!
<br>>>
<br>>> Among stubborn socio-political/cultural bulwarks in need of being
<br>> pirated by a certain 21st century progressive onset of activism, the
<br>> dualist notion of a co-existing natural/supernatural reality to all things
<br>> looms large. I think huge, actually -- elephant-in-the-room gigantic.
<br>> Disinformation and alternative truths were not invented by Donald Trump --
<br>> they form the mass social-cultural backbone for all of human history --
<br>> i.e., an entirely anti-science notion that beneath its physical facade, the
<br>> Universe is governed by supernatural forces. Not to mention the Earth
<br>> itself, and in the face of today's advanced science, the muck of a deeply
<br>> rooted and institutionalized, powerful and enormously wealthy supernatural
<br>> belief complex among the planet's human animals, coupled with an inability
<br>> of human scientists themselves to exploit and communicate the liberating
<br>> non-supernatural spirituality and ontological meaning inherent in their
<br>> simple search for a truth of things, is like a termite infestation in the
<br>> woodwork structures of progressive desire for change.
<br>>>
<br>>> I don't mean religions per se, there are many humanitarian ones or even
<br>> a God notion whatever that means. It all begins with the stubborn fictional
<br>> meme from our ancient past of "supernatural," derailing the momentum toward
<br>> critical paths to our future at the 21st century. The notion of spirit,
<br>> that being a profoundly emotional connection to existence, needs to be
<br>> pirated from the falsely omniscious supernatural-based institutions that
<br>> wield it, robbed from those pretenders and given back to the "natural"
<br>> (i.e. science) in which it is properly nested, imbued with the rich
<br>> biological sensations of meaning that evolution has gifted us as a reward
<br>> for uncovering truth. Art excavating in the terrains of science, can reveal
<br>> that where the scientists could not.
<br>>>
<br>>> Stephen Nowlin
<br>>>
<br>>> ________________________________________
<br>>> From: roger malina <<a href="mailto:rmalina@alum.mit.edu">rmalina@alum.mit.edu</a>>
<br>>> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 12:19 PM
<br>>> To: <a href="mailto:yasmin_announcements@ntlab.gr">yasmin_announcements@ntlab.gr</a>; <a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>
<br>>> Subject: yasmin phoenix, pirates, phoenicians and etruscans and and
<br>> emerging digi-indigenous ingenious natives
<br>>>
<br>>> Yasminers
<br>>> and in particular Dalila Honorato, Stephen Nowlin and Luca Forcucci
<br>>> and Gullermo Munoz
<br>>>
<br>>> Dalila triggered the metaphor of YASMIN PHOENIX for the work we are
<br>>> starting to have a new different YASMIN rise from the ashes of the
<br>>> pandemic- let me add that we should think as yasminers as pirates
<br>>>
<br>>> Immediately it triggered my memory of reading Gary Hall's Pirate
<br>>> Philosophy
<br>> <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/pirate-philosophy__;!!Fh--17vRJmFW!h87pOpvBVOSMBCJEoYBf9xn0QDi5wgjBhCBipq_3iQpbigN8Ir1emxYySevwLtWHNujTwyof$">https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/pirate-philosophy__;!!Fh--17vRJmFW!h87pOpvBVOSMBCJEoYBf9xn0QDi5wgjBhCBipq_3iQpbigN8Ir1emxYySevwLtWHNujTwyof$</a>
<br>> and his
<br>>> unpacking the very useful innovation role that pirates played in the
<br>>> Mediterranean- i have copied this email to him in case he has an
<br>>> update on how pirate philosophy might be relevant in the post pandemic
<br>>> digi-indigenous culture that the digi-natives are inventing as we read
<br>>> the new rituals, customs and behaviours for the post pandemic world
<br>>> and its increasing virtual reality- and we digital elders stand back
<br>>> and notice but don't meddle- ok digi-natives take over YASMIN PHOENI
<br>>>
<br>>> secondly YASMIN moderator Guillermo Munoz co founded the group in
<br>>> spain called "pirates of science'
<br>>>
<br>> <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.piratasdelaciencia.com/blog/quienes-somos/__;!!Fh--17vRJmFW!h87pOpvBVOSMBCJEoYBf9xn0QDi5wgjBhCBipq_3iQpbigN8Ir1emxYySevwLtWHNrQ2xq-4$">https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.piratasdelaciencia.com/blog/quienes-somos/__;!!Fh--17vRJmFW!h87pOpvBVOSMBCJEoYBf9xn0QDi5wgjBhCBipq_3iQpbigN8Ir1emxYySevwLtWHNrQ2xq-4$</a>
<br>> so maybe the
<br>>> pirate metaphor could be helpful as we work on the helping the YASMIN
<br>>> PHOENIX arise from the ashes with the help of the YASMIN pirates and
<br>>> phoenicians-- i have copied Guillermo also in case he has some
<br>>> thoughts too
<br>>>
<br>>> luca forcucci also suggested: I am all in for the flight, and let's
<br>>> not forget the Etruscans !
<br>>> all the best Luca
<br>>>
<br>>> and stephen nowlin: Roger -- as our nearest star rises seemingly anew
<br>>> over a political return to some sanity here in the U.S., your news
<br>>> feels timely and welcomed. Happy to climb aboard the flight of the
<br>>> YASMIN Phenix!
<br>>>
<br>>>
<br>>> and
<br>>>
<br>>> Roger Malina
<br>>> more on gary hall below:
<br>>> Gary Hall is a critical theorist and media philosopher working in the
<br>>> areas of digital culture, politics and technology. He is Professor of
<br>>> Media at Coventry University, UK, where he directs the Centre for
<br>>> Postdigital Cultures which brings together media theorists,
<br>>> practitioners, activists and artists.
<br>>>
<br>>> He is the author of a number of books, including The Inhumanist
<br>>> Manifesto (Techne Lab, 2017), Pirate Philosophy (MIT Press, 2016) and
<br>>> The Uberfication of the University (Minnesota UP, 2016).
<br>>>
<br>>> How philosophers and theorists can find new models for the creation,
<br>>> publication, and dissemination of knowledge, challenging the received
<br>>> ideas of originality, authorship, and the book.
<br>>>
<br>>> In Pirate Philosophy, Gary Hall considers whether the fight against
<br>>> the neoliberal corporatization of higher education in fact requires
<br>>> scholars to transform their own lives and labor. Is there a way for
<br>>> philosophers and theorists to act not just for or with the
<br>>> antiausterity and student protestors??graduates without a future??but
<br>>> in terms of their political struggles? Drawing on such phenomena as
<br>>> peer-to-peer file sharing and anticopyright/pro-piracy movements, Hall
<br>>> explores how those in academia can move beyond finding new ways of
<br>>> thinking about the world to find instead new ways of being theorists
<br>>> and philosophers in the world.
<br>>>
<br>>> Hall describes the politics of online sharing, the battles against the
<br>>> current intellectual property regime, and the actions of Anonymous,
<br>>> LulzSec, Aaron Swartz, and others, and he explains Creative Commons
<br>>> and the open access, open source, and free software movements. But in
<br>>> the heart of the book he considers how, when it comes to scholarly
<br>>> ways of creating, performing, and sharing knowledge, philosophers and
<br>>> theorists can challenge not just the neoliberal model of the
<br>>> entrepreneurial academic but also the traditional humanist model with
<br>>> its received ideas of proprietorial authorship, the book, originality,
<br>>> fixity, and the finished object. In other words, can scholars and
<br>>> students today become something like pirate philosophers?
<br>>>
<br>>> and the phoenicians:
<br>>> The Phoenicians came to prominence following the collapse (c. 1150 BC)
<br>>> of most major cultures during the Late Bronze Age. They were renowned
<br>>> in antiquity as adept merchants, expert seafarers, and intrepid
<br>>> explorers.[citation needed] They developed an expansive maritime trade
<br>>> network that lasted over a millennium, becoming the dominant
<br>>> commercial power for much of classical antiquity. Phoenician trade
<br>>> also helped facilitate the exchange of cultures, ideas, and knowledge
<br>>> between major cradles of civilization such as Greece, Egypt, and
<br>>> Mesopotamia. After its zenith in the ninth century BC, the Phoenician
<br>>> civilization in the eastern Mediterranean slowly declined in the face
<br>>> of foreign influence and conquest, though its presence would remain in
<br>>> the central and western Mediterranean until the second century BC.
<br>>>
<br>>>
<br>>> PS words matter: nina czegledy thinks the term 'digi-indigenous' is an
<br>>> inappropriate appropriation of the values of indigenous cultures
<br>>>
<br>>> Roger in Dallas, please phone/txt/ +15108532007 if urgent
<br>>>
<br>>> _______________________________________________
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<br>Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2021 13:11:42 +0200
<br>From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <<a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>>
<br>To: "xDxD.vs.xDxD" <<a href="mailto:xdxd.vs.xdxd@gmail.com">xdxd.vs.xdxd@gmail.com</a>>
<br>Cc: Dimitris Charitos <<a href="mailto:vedesign@otenet.gr">vedesign@otenet.gr</a>>,
<br> <a href="mailto:yasmin_announcements@ntlab.gr">yasmin_announcements@ntlab.gr</a>, <a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>
<br>Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] [Yasmin_announcements] YASMIN next
<br> steps, a new YASMIN discussion
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<br>Hello Roger, Dimitris and Salvatore,
<br>
<br>I believe I have been one of the very very silent participants in YASMIN
<br>for almost 13 years now. I connected with Roger when I was still
<br>starting up Arab Digital Expression Foundation in Cairo. The foundation of
<br>our work has been the integration or art, technology, media into
<br>alternative fun educational modules for teenagers and young professionals.
<br>We have since implemented our activities in Egypt, Tunisia and Lebanon,
<br>with our network snowballing year and year as more people are impacted by
<br>our activities. As silent as I have been, I was attentive and curious to
<br>quite a few of the postings on this group. I agree that with the pandemic,
<br>as horribl as it has been, has also opened ways for new possibilities. Now
<br>we are as close to our next door neighbour as we are to anyone in the world
<br>because of the pandemic. and somehow, to me, this makes the world closer to
<br>me. I hence also feel closer to this community. As I expand the work of
<br>ADEF, now also establishing an entity in Berlin and me personally moving
<br>there with my family next summer, I have to say it is exciting what
<br>Salvatore is proposing. I have decided to establish ADEF Berlin because
<br>over the past 6 years many of the active politically and socially engaged
<br>artists, techies, academics, researchers in many Arab countries have moved
<br>to Berlin in fear of their lives - be it the violence in Syria, the
<br>military rule in Egypt or the devastating state of Lebanon. I want to
<br>capitalize on the role of this Arab diaspora.
<br>
<br>On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 5:49 PM xDxD.vs.xDxD <<a href="mailto:xdxd.vs.xdxd@gmail.com">xdxd.vs.xdxd@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
<br>
<br>> Hello Dimitris and everyone!
<br>> it's really nice to see this in the inbox :)
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>> - What would we like to see YASMIN evolving into in the post-pandemic
<br>>> era ?
<br>>>
<br>>> you know Dimitris, I really enjoy staying up to date in what all of you
<br>> are doing and, as a matter of fact, this kind of curated, selectes,
<br>> communal kind of selection that can take place in this kind of mailing list
<br>> helps a lot to grasp signal from noise. From this point of view, I wish
<br>> there was more of this storytelling. What are you all doing? Don't keep it
<br>> to yourselves in these times of isolation and of communicational fatigue. I
<br>> have always had good ideas come up from our interactions.
<br>>
<br>> And, on top of that, I think that in these times one other thing that
<br>> could really spice things up in meaningful ways would be the idea of
<br>> collaboration.
<br>> If, on the one hand, I love to hear what you're doing, I would love even
<br>> more doing something together.
<br>> So why not have collaborations from the beginning of the process? Project
<br>> ideas, partner search, collaborative project writing etc
<br>> Let's do a European project together! Let's find some grants together and
<br>> tackle one or more of the topics we are talking about.
<br>> I've done it already with a couple of you all and it's been wonderful. I
<br>> guess that doing it as an explicitly out in the public, would bring people
<br>> further together and give even more the sense of a Mediterranean way to
<br>> arts+science+technology
<br>>
<br>> to help this not get out of hand, maybe for both these things we could
<br>> have "formats" or something like it: a "what are you up to" format, a
<br>> "project idea" format, a "partner search" format etc
<br>>
<br>> or, we may find out that the "format" thing is too cumbersome, and we just
<br>> need the intention and purpose, and that communal informality fits more the
<br>> mediterranean. I don't know, and I can't say it alone.
<br>>
<br>> But i wanted to bring these two things out, as I feel that they could help
<br>> shape a shared effort and bring us closer together (and also augment
<br>> Yasmin's impact)
<br>>
<br>> cheers and hugs!
<br>> Salvatore
<br>>
<br>> --
<br>> *Art is Open Source *- <a href="http://www.artisopensource.net">http://www.artisopensource.net</a>
<br>> *Human Ecosystems Relazioni* - <a href="https://www.he-r.it/">https://www.he-r.it/</a>
<br>> *Ubiquitous Commons *- <a href="http://www.ubiquitouscommons.org">http://www.ubiquitouscommons.org</a>
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<br>Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2021 11:28:28 -0600
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<br>Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] yasminers sense of touch and the
<br> ecological imaginary
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<br>Speaking of touch? My grad class just went through an exploration of
<br>the senses and examined Sommerer?s Nanoscape (touching what?s not
<br>there through the mind?s eye).
<br>
<br>
<br>yasminers
<br>read on- alyce santoro , below, raises the issue of 'radical care'
<br>which i immediately connected to the idea of tele-touch that cassini
<br>nazir
<br>brings up below and the whole idea of tele-epistemology ( see ken
<br>goldberg <a href="https://goldberg.berkeley.edu/art/tele/intro.html">https://goldberg.berkeley.edu/art/tele/intro.html</a> ) where he
<br>discusses the tele-garden which he created (
<br><a href="https://goldberg.berkeley.edu/garden/Ars/">https://goldberg.berkeley.edu/garden/Ars/</a> ) and finally annick bureaud
<br>heroric efforts on helping plants get passports (
<br><a href="https://quoartis.org/project/the-traveling-plant/">https://quoartis.org/project/the-traveling-plant/</a> and also
<br><a href="https://rootsandseedsxxi.eu/leonardo-olats/">https://rootsandseedsxxi.eu/leonardo-olats/</a> )
<br>
<br>yes thats what happens in the yasmin phoenix oasis- strange animals
<br>cross connect their work
<br>
<br>roger
<br>
<br>cassini says
<br>Perhaps there?s a market opportunity for a smart telehaptics company
<br>to simulate virtual touch?Look forward to giving you a hug, too,
<br>Roger!
<br>alyce says
<br>Since the idea of letting yasmin die was in no way intended, please
<br>allow me to rephrase/simplify the essence of my suggestion:
<br>
<br>1. Radical care may be an important component of in any/all forms of
<br>phoenix (social, technological, economic, political, scientific, etc).
<br>2. A desire to radically care can stem from a visceral understanding
<br>of interdependence.
<br>3. Radical care is not (nor can or should it be) a tenet of the
<br>scientific method?which, by its very nature, requires an objective,
<br>detached stance.
<br>4. Could science-minded creative practitioners assist in crafting a
<br>new, more radically caring ?ecological imaginary??
<br>
<br>Abstract from my recent thesis (which I would be grateful for the
<br>opportunity to discuss with anyone interested, off list if preferred):
<br>
<br>The contradictions inherent in European Enlightenment-based ?logics?
<br>that externalize humans from ?nature? were a concern for the Romantic
<br>Naturalists, Dadaists, and Surrealists. More recently, some in the
<br>environmental humanities and socio-ecologically-concerned arts and
<br>sciences have also posed challenges to anthropocentric, hierarchical,
<br>positivist modes of thought. I suggest that by engaging the ludic,
<br>imaginative, and collaborative while bearing the empirical in mind,
<br>dualisms (such as objective and subjective, individual and collective)
<br>dissipate, and existence as a dialectical state of intricate ensemble
<br>can be revealed. In light of catastrophic disruption to Earth?s
<br>life-sustaining processes by exploitative forms of human activity, I
<br>argue an ?ecological imaginary? is urgently needed, and everyone is
<br>capable of contributing to its prefiguring.
<br>
<br>Once again, in solidarity,
<br>Alyce
<br><a href="http://alycesantoro.com">alycesantoro.com</a>
<br>
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<br>Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] Queer Data. Queer AI. Community AI.
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<br>Hello everyone
<br>And, while we discuss our beloved Yasmin-phoenix, here is a little
<br>something that has a distinct mediterranean feeling to it, and that we
<br>could work on and discuss.
<br>
<br>We have a publication out in which we describe three terms that we think
<br>could be important in the near future:
<br>
<br>Queer Data
<br>Queer AI
<br>Community AI
<br>
<br><a href="https://www.he-r.it/queer-data-queer-ai-community-ai-the-importance-of-angel_f-and-iaqos-in-torpignattara-explained-in-a-publication/">https://www.he-r.it/queer-data-queer-ai-community-ai-the-importance-of-angel_f-and-iaqos-in-torpignattara-explained-in-a-publication/</a>
<br>
<br>let's talk if you wish :)
<br>Best
<br>Salvatore
<br>
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<br>
<br>** Queer Data, Queer AI, Community AI: the importance of Angel_F and IAQOS
<br>in Torpignattara explained in a publication **
<br>
<br>A new peer reviewed publication is out which documents our research on what
<br>we?re calling Community AI, starting from our first experiences in 2006
<br>with Angel_F, and arriving to the IAQOS project in Torpignattara/Rome.
<br>
<br>This is an important step, as for the first time the concepts of Queer Data
<br>and Queer AI are introduced in this context, hopefully opening up new
<br>dialogues and opportunities for collaboration.
<br>
<br>We feel that this is an important step towards contrasting the cultural
<br>hegemony about what Data and AI can be in our societies, and in proposing
<br>viable, accessible, inclusive alternatives.
<br>
<br>We invite researchers, activists, social entrepreneurs and groups of
<br>citizens to get in touch with us (the paper includes our email addresses)
<br>for further information and to start collaborations.
<br>
<br>--
<br>*Art is Open Source *- <a href="http://www.artisopensource.net">http://www.artisopensource.net</a>
<br>*Human Ecosystems Relazioni* - <a href="https://www.he-r.it/">https://www.he-r.it/</a>
<br>*Ubiquitous Commons *- <a href="http://www.ubiquitouscommons.org">http://www.ubiquitouscommons.org</a>
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<br>Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Queer Data. Queer AI. Community AI.
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<br>Dear Salvatore,
<br>
<br>Thanks for raising the subject, which is very interesting and important.
<br>
<br>My first search query was "svm minority data":
<br><a href="https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=svm+minority+data">https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=svm+minority+data</a>
<br>And I discovered that it's been years classifiers dealing with minority
<br>data were developed.
<br>
<br>On social media, I also can observe that it's difficult to pierce in a
<br>platform (seen on youtube comments and from experience), where it seems
<br>clearly that the strongest are pushed forward, leading to an amplification
<br>of the "popular" and subsequently leading to a silencing of minorities.
<br>While without any effort, it seems natural that when one increase some
<br>poster's connexion (topology) to others (followers, likers, etc), the
<br>poster's visibility increases, it seems that there is a difficulty to
<br>pierce (ie., to beat the algorithm) that is mitigated sometimes by using
<br>specific methods such as posting clickbait titles, posting shocking
<br>content, buying bots in order to increase that connexion, leading
<br>eventually to a lack of authenticity (Fake famous, HBO, 2020).
<br>
<br>I see that dealing with minorities is not only a mathematical problem, but
<br>also a political (policy of deployment of an algorithm) and economical
<br>(post explosions lead also to an increased revenue via sponsors) problem on
<br>a platform , and a law problem - law can lag behind disruptive/innovative
<br>(both in tech and social practices) breakthroughs - since the algorithm is
<br>leading to a form of discrimination (positive toward the popular, negative
<br>toward the minority). Maybe there is a way to prove that such practices are
<br>against some law / constitution, and this may lead to creation of new laws
<br>applicable to such AI deployments; that I think would be the most effective
<br>and with long term impact shot.
<br>
<br>Mathieu Pr?vot
<br>Polymath arts sciences humanities
<br>Researcher mathematics & computer science, entrepreneur
<br>
<br>Le ven. 5 f?vr. 2021 ? 01:52, YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <
<br><a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>> a ?crit :
<br>
<br>> Hello everyone
<br>> And, while we discuss our beloved Yasmin-phoenix, here is a little
<br>> something that has a distinct mediterranean feeling to it, and that we
<br>> could work on and discuss.
<br>>
<br>> We have a publication out in which we describe three terms that we think
<br>> could be important in the near future:
<br>>
<br>> Queer Data
<br>> Queer AI
<br>> Community AI
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> <a href="https://www.he-r.it/queer-data-queer-ai-community-ai-the-importance-of-angel_f-and-iaqos-in-torpignattara-explained-in-a-publication/">https://www.he-r.it/queer-data-queer-ai-community-ai-the-importance-of-angel_f-and-iaqos-in-torpignattara-explained-in-a-publication/</a>
<br>>
<br>> let's talk if you wish :)
<br>> Best
<br>> Salvatore
<br>>
<br>> ----------
<br>>
<br>> ** Queer Data, Queer AI, Community AI: the importance of Angel_F and IAQOS
<br>> in Torpignattara explained in a publication **
<br>>
<br>> A new peer reviewed publication is out which documents our research on what
<br>> we?re calling Community AI, starting from our first experiences in 2006
<br>> with Angel_F, and arriving to the IAQOS project in Torpignattara/Rome.
<br>>
<br>> This is an important step, as for the first time the concepts of Queer Data
<br>> and Queer AI are introduced in this context, hopefully opening up new
<br>> dialogues and opportunities for collaboration.
<br>>
<br>> We feel that this is an important step towards contrasting the cultural
<br>> hegemony about what Data and AI can be in our societies, and in proposing
<br>> viable, accessible, inclusive alternatives.
<br>>
<br>> We invite researchers, activists, social entrepreneurs and groups of
<br>> citizens to get in touch with us (the paper includes our email addresses)
<br>> for further information and to start collaborations.
<br>>
<br>> --
<br>> *Art is Open Source *- <a href="http://www.artisopensource.net">http://www.artisopensource.net</a>
<br>> *Human Ecosystems Relazioni* - <a href="https://www.he-r.it/">https://www.he-r.it/</a>
<br>> *Ubiquitous Commons *- <a href="http://www.ubiquitouscommons.org">http://www.ubiquitouscommons.org</a>
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<br>Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 07:26:37 +1100
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<br>To: <a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>, roger malina <<a href="mailto:rmalina@alum.mit.edu">rmalina@alum.mit.edu</a>>
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<br>Dear Roger,
<br>
<br>I have followed Yasmin discussions for some time now.
<br>The Eurocentic perspectives are not useful in the globally
<br>Indigenous one that I inhabit.
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<br>I will continue to include you in Living Data updates and respect your
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<br>Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 10:56:00 -0600
<br>From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <<a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>>
<br>To: "xDxD.vs.xDxD" <<a href="mailto:xdxd.vs.xdxd@gmail.com">xdxd.vs.xdxd@gmail.com</a>>
<br>Cc: Ranwa Yehia <<a href="mailto:ranwayehia@googlemail.com">ranwayehia@googlemail.com</a>>, nake
<br> <<a href="mailto:nake@uni-bremen.de">nake@uni-bremen.de</a>>, <a href="mailto:yasmin_announcements@ntlab.gr">yasmin_announcements@ntlab.gr</a>,
<br> <a href="mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr">yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr</a>
<br>Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] yasmin phoenicians and pirates:
<br> overcoming touch deprivation pharmakon and provokaon
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<br>ranwa, frieder, slavatore et yasmin phoenicians
<br>a) let me pick up on frieders"
<br>We could touch our old neighbor next door. We will never touch any of
<br>all those others. We lose our skin and gain a bodiless existence.
<br>Digital. Algorithmic.Frieder Nake
<br>
<br>b) roger replies- strange how the sense of touch has become more
<br>crucial than ever in this time when
<br>touching is suspicious- the blind rely on the sense of touch to
<br>navigate their own virtual reality-but now when they touch repeatedly
<br>they are told to stop, to reduce the spread of the virus
<br>last friday Dr Jin Kim of our dallas universities computer science
<br>department told us about his research on develop a very advanced state
<br>of 'touch' and proprioception in virtual reality
<br>
<br>c)my instant post pandemic provocation is why, why, reproduce in
<br>virtual reality the sense of human physical touch ? let's invent new
<br>senses that can be deployed in virtual reality- like a sense for
<br>trends in climate change. or the presence of covid q9 near us- our
<br>dear recently departed stiegler would have insisted
<br><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmakon_(philosophy)">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmakon_(philosophy)</a> on a new
<br>pharkaon for the post pandemic age - so yes frieder- the sense of
<br>touch is greatly needed to be enhanced today, but lets use the methods
<br>of the pharmakon to create enhanced sense of touch in the post
<br>pandemic world, and lets invite the yasmin pirates to do their damage
<br>and liberate us from old ways of thinking in the post pandemic world
<br>
<br>
<br>d) frieder again: Now, "global" has become when so many of us feel our
<br>neighbor, physically next door, is emotionally or intellectually or in
<br>terms of shared interests or in collaborating on some project or in
<br>exchanging exciting ideas, etc., farther away from us than a dozen or
<br>more people around the globe.
<br>
<br>frieder continues:
<br>
<br>We could touch our old neighbor next door. We will never touch any of
<br>all those others. We lose our skin and gain a bodiless existence.
<br>Digital. Algorithmic.
<br>
<br>Frieder Nake
<br>
<br>Roger in Dallas, please phone/txt/ +15108532007 if urgent
<br>
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<br>On Sat, Feb 6, 2021 at 1:24 PM xDxD.vs.xDxD <<a href="mailto:xdxd.vs.xdxd@gmail.com">xdxd.vs.xdxd@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
<br>>
<br>> Dear Ranwa and Nake
<br>>
<br>> I agree both with the observation and with Ranwa's noting that we touch on both levels.
<br>> A possible answer/approach could be to study the ecologies of this physical-digital-[what else?] environment.
<br>> In the other message here on Yasmin i was using the terms "alliance" and "new living" to point in this direction.
<br>> Kind wishes
<br>> Salvatore
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> On Sat, Feb 6, 2021 at 11:49 AM Ranwa Yehia <<a href="mailto:ranwayehia@googlemail.com">ranwayehia@googlemail.com</a>> wrote:
<br>>>
<br>>> In fact, Nake, we are doing both. We continue to intensify in Egypt and also expand in Europe. We touch on both levels, and both in the physical and the digital.
<br>>>
<br>>> On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 1:00 PM nake <<a href="mailto:nake@uni-bremen.de">nake@uni-bremen.de</a>> wrote:
<br>>>>
<br>>>> What is interesting in Ranwa's statement ? or better: what I find interesting in his statement ? is this:
<br>>>>
<br>>>> He is active in founding the "Arab Digital Expression Foundation in Cairo". And he is pursuing and developing this successfully. Therefore, he wants to expand it. (Why expand, and not intensify?) And the expansion goes to Berlin, apparently more and more the global cultural center. Roughly, about eighty years after World War II that came from there. Berlin had been the cultural center once before, in the 1920s.
<br>>>>
<br>>>> Now, "global" has become when so many of us feel our neighbor, physically next door, is emotionally or intellectually or in terms of shared interests or in collaborating on some project or in exchanging exciting ideas, etc., farther away from us than a dozen or more people around the globe.
<br>>>>
<br>>>> We could touch our old neighbor next door. We will never touch any of all those others. We lose our skin and gain a bodiless existence. Digital. Algorithmic.
<br>>>>
<br>>>> Frieder Nake
<br>>>>
<br>>>>
<br>>>>
<br>>>> On 04.02.21 12:11, Ranwa Yehia wrote:
<br>>>>
<br>>>> Hello Roger, Dimitris and Salvatore,
<br>>>>
<br>>>> I believe I have been one of the very very silent participants in YASMIN for almost 13 years now. I connected with Roger when I was still starting up Arab Digital Expression Foundation in Cairo. The foundation of our work has been the integration or art, technology, media into alternative fun educational modules for teenagers and young professionals. We have since implemented our activities in Egypt, Tunisia and Lebanon, with our network snowballing year and year as more people are impacted by our activities. As silent as I have been, I was attentive and curious to quite a few of the postings on this group. I agree that with the pandemic, as horribl as it has been, has also opened ways for new possibilities. Now we are as close to our next door neighbour as we are to anyone in the world because of the pandemic. and somehow, to me, this makes the world closer to me. I hence also feel closer to this community. As I expand the work of ADEF, now also establishing an entity in Berlin and me personally moving there with my family next summer, I have to say it is exciting what Salvatore is proposing. I have decided to establish ADEF Berlin because over the past 6 years many of the active politically and socially engaged artists, techies, academics, researchers in many Arab countries have moved to Berlin in fear of their lives - be it the violence in Syria, the military rule in Egypt or the devastating state of Lebanon. I want to capitalize on the role of this Arab diaspora.
<br>>>>
<br>>>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 5:49 PM xDxD.vs.xDxD <<a href="mailto:xdxd.vs.xdxd@gmail.com">xdxd.vs.xdxd@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
<br>>>>>
<br>>>>> Hello Dimitris and everyone!
<br>>>>> it's really nice to see this in the inbox :)
<br>>>>>
<br>>>>>> What would we like to see YASMIN evolving into in the post-pandemic era ?
<br>>>>>
<br>>>>> you know Dimitris, I really enjoy staying up to date in what all of you are doing and, as a matter of fact, this kind of curated, selectes, communal kind of selection that can take place in this kind of mailing list helps a lot to grasp signal from noise. From this point of view, I wish there was more of this storytelling. What are you all doing? Don't keep it to yourselves in these times of isolation and of communicational fatigue. I have always had good ideas come up from our interactions.
<br>>>>>
<br>>>>> And, on top of that, I think that in these times one other thing that could really spice things up in meaningful ways would be the idea of collaboration.
<br>>>>> If, on the one hand, I love to hear what you're doing, I would love even more doing something together.
<br>>>>> So why not have collaborations from the beginning of the process? Project ideas, partner search, collaborative project writing etc
<br>>>>> Let's do a European project together! Let's find some grants together and tackle one or more of the topics we are talking about.
<br>>>>> I've done it already with a couple of you all and it's been wonderful. I guess that doing it as an explicitly out in the public, would bring people further together and give even more the sense of a Mediterranean way to arts+science+technology
<br>>>>>
<br>>>>> to help this not get out of hand, maybe for both these things we could have "formats" or something like it: a "what are you up to" format, a "project idea" format, a "partner search" format etc
<br>>>>>
<br>>>>> or, we may find out that the "format" thing is too cumbersome, and we just need the intention and purpose, and that communal informality fits more the mediterranean. I don't know, and I can't say it alone.
<br>>>>>
<br>>>>> But i wanted to bring these two things out, as I feel that they could help shape a shared effort and bring us closer together (and also augment Yasmin's impact)
<br>>>>>
<br>>>>> cheers and hugs!
<br>>>>> Salvatore
<br>>>>>
<br>>>>> --
<br>>>>> Art is Open Source - <a href="http://www.artisopensource.net">http://www.artisopensource.net</a>
<br>>>>> Human Ecosystems Relazioni - <a href="https://www.he-r.it/">https://www.he-r.it/</a>
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<br>Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 11:06:18 -0600
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<br>To: Lisa Roberts <<a href="mailto:lisa@lisaroberts.com.au">lisa@lisaroberts.com.au</a>>,
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<br> eurocentric ?
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<br>lisa
<br>a) thanks for your email to the yasminers regretting that our
<br>eurocentric perspectives are
<br>not useful during the pandemic
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<br>b) yes- and we have fallen into this trap with the very idea of yasmin
<br>( your art science mediterranean international network0.
<br>yes the mediterranean has a long history of disastrous pandemics (
<br>visit the quarantine islands from centuries ago
<br>in marseille), and we have compounded this with my own provocation to
<br>be digi-indigenous, followed by the ideas around phoenix and the
<br>phoenicians
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<br>so lisa, sorry you have decided to unsubscribe from yasmin- but maybe
<br>maybe this will trigger slowly desirable
<br>auto-poesis in our complex organic/inorganic complex system
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<br>roger malina
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<br>On Sat, Feb 6, 2021 at 2:26 PM Lisa Roberts <<a href="mailto:lisa@lisaroberts.com.au">lisa@lisaroberts.com.au</a>> wrote:
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<br>> Dear Roger,
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<br>> I have followed Yasmin discussions for some time now.
<br>> The Eurocentic perspectives are not useful in the globally
<br>> Indigenous one that I inhabit.
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<br>> I will continue to include you in Living Data updates and respect your
<br>> decision to be unsubscribed to that.
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<br>> Wishing you well,
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<br>> Lisa
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<br>> I respect the knowledge passed down through First Nations peoples.
<br>> I respect the arts as languages of relationship.
<br>> I respect the scientific method.
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<br>> Lisa Roberts PhD
<br>> Artist in Residence, Faculty of Science
<br>> University of Technology Sydney
<br>> Visiting Scientist (a.k.a. artist)
<br>> Australian Antarctic Division
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<br>> <a href="http://LivingData.net.au">LivingData.net.au</a>
<br>> <a href="http://LisaRoberts.com.au">LisaRoberts.com.au</a>
<br>> Antarcticanimation.com
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