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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2021 14:13:06 +0200
From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr
Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Yasmin_discussions Digest, Vol 41,
Issue 5
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Dear Roger, Yasminers

Thanks for inviting me to the discussion.

Firstly, Stefano Mancuso points out that intelligence (or his controversial
neurobiology term),
of the plants doesn't 'need' a brain. Of course, we need to define what
intelligence is, and I think of 'a capacity to adapt to a novel situation'.

Regarding architecture, I have been taught as an apprentice in a studio in
the late 1980's and early 1990's (I dont' practice anymore since 2011) in
Switzerland. I mention it because there was(is) a school focusing on
organizing circulations/life around humans beings versus an architecture as
'graphic design' or 'sculpture', and was taught with the former (based on
humanistic approach). So, I believe in an architecture which organize the
life of (humans?) beings, or to push it forward in organizing life at this
point of our terrestrial biosphere. That would be my metaphor.

In term of hybrid examples of architecture and plants/nature/organisms, the
first example relates to the possibilities to includes more green/trees in
the construction. In Milan there is an attempt by Boeri's architect to
includes trees
https://www.stefanoboeriarchitetti.net/project/bosco-verticale/
Still, I think this is a kind of marketing coup. Let's not forget that
architecture serves the power/politics. Instead I would look into his other
project in China https://createdigital.org.au/china-city-home-trees-people/

Another take would be from https://www.xtuarchitects.com/eco-city, which I
find fascinating because they specifically speak of the city as an
ecosystem (pushing it the idea of possible worms based architecture eating
trash). Such ecosystem doesn't focus on sensors and 'smart' cities (which I
find problematic in term of control/surveillance).

Recycling urban architecture is another take like the well known New York
high line https://www.thehighline.org/ or the MFO park in Z?rich (a former
Machine factory)
https://www.ignant.com/2020/02/13/mfo-park-zurich-switzerland/

Moreover, the story of botanical gardens are of particular interest because
they relate to a period
of colonization from the European continent, and is problematic in term of
decolonization. During the latest Laser Nomad
https://ubqtlab.org/2021/04/22/laser-nomad-bellinzona-utopia-of-the-landscape/
we were in the park of an old Villa in Switzerland, where the trees were
imported, and we started to discuss the idea of Nomad trees.

All the very best
LUca

Le ven. 4 juin 2021 ? 11:01, <yasmin_discussions-request@ntlab.gr> a ?crit :

>
> luca
> thanks for your self intro which is in the middle of this email
>
> thanks for your email to yasmin which ties in both to asamina's argument:
> I wonder if it would be useful to the plants thought experiment to
> think in terms of analogies between (city/urban/civic) plants
> (planted) and residents 'settled', by way of housing as a metaphor
> (through architecture).
>
> yes indeed- if you look at the surface of the earth from 1000
> kilometers and study what is going on in a 1000 year time scale (
> thanks ramon guardans)
> both plants and buildings grow, die, spread, and behave in very
> similar manners. both need food ( cement) and water , both have
> limited
> life spans- and like ants the ant hills of cities and the ants are
> intermingled- but i dont think the DNA of plants metastasises with
> the DNA
> of buildings even though buildings have a lot of microbiome just like
> humans and plants do-or maybe they do
>
> your email also then addresses jonathon keats ideas on giving the
> right of votes to plants ( if they have free will as pointed out
> earlier)-
> i append the outline of the book you recommended by Stefano Mancuso
> The Revolutionary Genius of Plants: A New Understanding of Plant
> Intelligence and Behavior
>
> roger malina
>
>
>
>
> Hi YASMINERS
> from luc forcucci
>
> Thanks for your message. In this context, my interest in exploring the
> idea of plants intelligence, in particular following Stefano Mancuso
>
> https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/35721619-the-revolutionary-genius-of-plants
>
> Here is my introduction:
>
> Luca Forcucci?s research observes the perceptive properties of sound,
> space and memory. The field of possibilities of the experience is
> explored as the artwork. In this context, he is interested in
> perception, subjectivity and consciousness.
>
> Luca achieved a PhD in Sonic Arts from De Montfort University and a MA
> in Sonic Arts from Queens University of Belfast. He studied
> electroacoustic music with the Swiss composer Rainer Boesch in Geneva,
> and was produced by Al Comet, former member of The Young Gods. Luca
> has an extensive background in architecture informed by twenty five
> years of professional practice.
>
> His research was further conducted at University of the Arts of
> Berlin, INA/GRM Paris (Institut National d?Audiovisuel / Groupe de
> Recherches Musicales) while investigating at Biblioth?que Nationale de
> France Franc?ois Mitt?rand. At the Brain Mind Institute in Switzerland
> he explored cognitive neuroscience of out-of-body experiences. He
> regularly lectures in Universities (University of Limerick, USP Sa?o
> Paulo, PUC Rio de Janeiro, UFRJ Rio de Janeiro, URC California, UdK
> Berlin, ZhDK Z?rich, EPFL Lausanne, SIVA Shanghai).
>
> all the best
>
> Luca
>
>
> here is the stefani mancuso
>
> The Revolutionary Genius of Plants: A New Understanding of Plant
> Intelligence and Behavior
>
> by Stefano Mancuso
> 4.07 ? Rating details ? 1,245 ratings ? 197 reviews
> Do plants have intelligence? Do they have memory? Are they better
> problem solvers than people? Plant Revolution?a fascinating,
> paradigm-shifting work that upends everything you thought you knew
> about plants?makes a compelling scientific case that these and other
> astonishing ideas are all true.
>
> Plants make up eighty percent of the weight of all living things on
> earth, and yet it is easy to forget that these innocuous, beautiful
> organisms are responsible for not only the air that lets us survive,
> but for many of our modern comforts: our medicine, food supply, even
> our fossil fuels.
>
> On the forefront of uncovering the essential truths about plants,
> world-renowned scientist Stefano Mancuso reveals the surprisingly
> sophisticated ability of plants to innovate, to remember, and to
> learn, offering us creative solutions to the most vexing technological
> and ecological problems that face us today. Despite not having brains
> or central nervous systems, plants perceive their surroundings with an
> even greater sensitivity than animals. They efficiently explore and
> react promptly to potentially damaging external events thanks to their
> cooperative, shared systems; without any central command centers, they
> are able to remember prior catastrophic events and to actively adapt
> to new ones.
>
> Every page of Plant Revolution bubbles over with Stefano Mancuso?s
> infectious love for plants and for the eye-opening research that makes
> it more and more clear how remarkable our fellow inhabitants on this
> planet really are. In his hands, complicated science is wonderfully
> accessible, and he has loaded the book with gorgeous photographs that
> make for an unforgettable reading experience. Plant Revolution opens
> the doors to a new understanding of life on earth. (less)
>
> Le jeu. 27 mai 2021 ? 17:15, roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu> a ?crit :
> >
> > luca
> > thanks for signilng up to the yasmiln discussion list
> > maybe you could send an email introducing yourself
> > and your interests
> >
> > i am copying this to jonathon keats who will be the lead
> > provocateur for the discussion
> >
> >
> > Roger in Dallas, please phone/txt/ +15108532007 if urgent
>
>
>
> --
> Luca Forcucci
>
> New Podcast
> Matt Black / Coldcut-Ninja Tunes
>
> Next Events
> 17.5.2021 Universitat Polytecnica de Valencia / Spain (Lecture + Concert)
> 18.5.2021 Universitat Polytecnica de Valencia / Spain (Art & Science Talk)
>
> New Albums
> De Rerum Natura
> Released by LFO Editions
>
> New Paper
> Deep Listening to the Amazon Rainforest through Sonic Architectures
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2021 21:56:55 +0200
> From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
> To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr
> Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Luca Forcucci-- can you help us on
> living architectures thinking? never mind the revolutionary genius
> of
> plants
> Message-ID:
> <mailman.15.1622758102.38238.yasmin_discussions_ntlab.gr@ntlab.gr>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> and dont forget, plants are, like humans sensitive,
> and regarding the links I posted yesterday, like to repeat this entry:
>
> there is also this exceptional project / film by Zheng Bo about having sex
> with plants he called Pteridophilia, 2016 ongoing,
> connecting spores and sperms
> see here >
> https://www.art-werk.ch/de/journal/zheng-bo-how-can-we-think-beyond-human-exceptionalism
> <
> https://www.art-werk.ch/de/journal/zheng-bo-how-can-we-think-beyond-human-exceptionalism
> >
> his blog > http://zhengbo.org <http://zhengbo.org/>
>
>
> Klaus Hu / Berlin
>
>
> > On May 30, 2021, at 9:53 PM, YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <
> yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr> wrote:
> >
> > luca
> > thanks for your self intro which is in the middle of this email
> >
> > thanks for your email to yasmin which ties in both to asamina's argument:
> > I wonder if it would be useful to the plants thought experiment to
> > think in terms of analogies between (city/urban/civic) plants
> > (planted) and residents 'settled', by way of housing as a metaphor
> > (through architecture).
> >
> > yes indeed- if you look at the surface of the earth from 1000
> > kilometers and study what is going on in a 1000 year time scale (
> > thanks ramon guardans)
> > both plants and buildings grow, die, spread, and behave in very
> > similar manners. both need food ( cement) and water , both have
> > limited
> > life spans- and like ants the ant hills of cities and the ants are
> > intermingled- but i dont think the DNA of plants metastasises with
> > the DNA
> > of buildings even though buildings have a lot of microbiome just like
> > humans and plants do-or maybe they do
> >
> > your email also then addresses jonathon keats ideas on giving the
> > right of votes to plants ( if they have free will as pointed out
> > earlier)-
> > i append the outline of the book you recommended by Stefano Mancuso
> > The Revolutionary Genius of Plants: A New Understanding of Plant
> > Intelligence and Behavior
> >
> > roger malina
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi YASMINERS
> > from luc forcucci
> >
> > Thanks for your message. In this context, my interest in exploring the
> > idea of plants intelligence, in particular following Stefano Mancuso
> >
> https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/35721619-the-revolutionary-genius-of-plants
> >
> > Here is my introduction:
> >
> > Luca Forcucci?s research observes the perceptive properties of sound,
> > space and memory. The field of possibilities of the experience is
> > explored as the artwork. In this context, he is interested in
> > perception, subjectivity and consciousness.
> >
> > Luca achieved a PhD in Sonic Arts from De Montfort University and a MA
> > in Sonic Arts from Queens University of Belfast. He studied
> > electroacoustic music with the Swiss composer Rainer Boesch in Geneva,
> > and was produced by Al Comet, former member of The Young Gods. Luca
> > has an extensive background in architecture informed by twenty five
> > years of professional practice.
> >
> > His research was further conducted at University of the Arts of
> > Berlin, INA/GRM Paris (Institut National d?Audiovisuel / Groupe de
> > Recherches Musicales) while investigating at Biblioth?que Nationale de
> > France Franc?ois Mitt?rand. At the Brain Mind Institute in Switzerland
> > he explored cognitive neuroscience of out-of-body experiences. He
> > regularly lectures in Universities (University of Limerick, USP Sa?o
> > Paulo, PUC Rio de Janeiro, UFRJ Rio de Janeiro, URC California, UdK
> > Berlin, ZhDK Z?rich, EPFL Lausanne, SIVA Shanghai).
> >
> > all the best
> >
> > Luca
> >
> >
> > here is the stefani mancuso
> >
> > The Revolutionary Genius of Plants: A New Understanding of Plant
> > Intelligence and Behavior
> >
> > by Stefano Mancuso
> > 4.07 ? Rating details ? 1,245 ratings ? 197 reviews
> > Do plants have intelligence? Do they have memory? Are they better
> > problem solvers than people? Plant Revolution?a fascinating,
> > paradigm-shifting work that upends everything you thought you knew
> > about plants?makes a compelling scientific case that these and other
> > astonishing ideas are all true.
> >
> > Plants make up eighty percent of the weight of all living things on
> > earth, and yet it is easy to forget that these innocuous, beautiful
> > organisms are responsible for not only the air that lets us survive,
> > but for many of our modern comforts: our medicine, food supply, even
> > our fossil fuels.
> >
> > On the forefront of uncovering the essential truths about plants,
> > world-renowned scientist Stefano Mancuso reveals the surprisingly
> > sophisticated ability of plants to innovate, to remember, and to
> > learn, offering us creative solutions to the most vexing technological
> > and ecological problems that face us today. Despite not having brains
> > or central nervous systems, plants perceive their surroundings with an
> > even greater sensitivity than animals. They efficiently explore and
> > react promptly to potentially damaging external events thanks to their
> > cooperative, shared systems; without any central command centers, they
> > are able to remember prior catastrophic events and to actively adapt
> > to new ones.
> >
> > Every page of Plant Revolution bubbles over with Stefano Mancuso?s
> > infectious love for plants and for the eye-opening research that makes
> > it more and more clear how remarkable our fellow inhabitants on this
> > planet really are. In his hands, complicated science is wonderfully
> > accessible, and he has loaded the book with gorgeous photographs that
> > make for an unforgettable reading experience. Plant Revolution opens
> > the doors to a new understanding of life on earth. (less)
> >
> > Le jeu. 27 mai 2021 ? 17:15, roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu> a
> ?crit :
> >>
> >> luca
> >> thanks for signilng up to the yasmiln discussion list
> >> maybe you could send an email introducing yourself
> >> and your interests
> >>
> >> i am copying this to jonathon keats who will be the lead
> >> provocateur for the discussion
> >>
> >>
> >> Roger in Dallas, please phone/txt/ +15108532007 if urgent
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Luca Forcucci
> >
> > New Podcast
> > Matt Black / Coldcut-Ninja Tunes
> >
> > Next Events
> > 17.5.2021 Universitat Polytecnica de Valencia / Spain (Lecture + Concert)
> > 18.5.2021 Universitat Polytecnica de Valencia / Spain (Art & Science
> Talk)
> >
> > New Albums
> > De Rerum Natura
> > Released by LFO Editions
> >
> > New Paper
> > Deep Listening to the Amazon Rainforest through Sonic Architectures
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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*Luca Forcucci <https://linktr.ee/lucaforcucci>*

*New Podcast*
Matt Black / Coldcut-Ninja Tunes <http://www.ubqtlab.org>

*Next Events*
17.5.2021 Universitat Polytecnica de Valencia / Spain (Lecture + Concert)
18.5.2021 Universitat Polytecnica de Valencia / Spain (Art & Science Talk)
<https://www.leonardo.info/civicrm/event/info?reset=1&id=640>

<https://ubqtlab.org/>
*New Albums*
De Rerum Natura
<https://lucaforcucci.bandcamp.com/album/de-rerum-natura>
Released by LFO Editions
<https://lucaforcucci.bandcamp.com/album/de-rerum-natura>

*New Book Chapter*
Sonic Imagination: Body, Visual Mental Imagery, and Nomadism
<https://www.springer.com/gp/book/9783030725068#aboutBook>

*New Paper*
Deep Listening to the Amazon Rainforest through Sonic Architectures
<https://www.mitpressjournals.org/doi/abs/10.1162/lmj_a_01090?mobileUi=0>

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