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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 12:09:29 -0400
From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr
Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] kerry turnstall and
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Roger, Kerry, et al.,

Without wishing any disrespect to Kerry, but in answer to Roger?s question, I intentionally did not respond to Kerry?s query because a) I do not feel qualified to do so having no knowledge of how others on this list identify and b) My own identity as either scientist &/or artist, if I were to consider it at all (which I prefer not to, as do not find these qualifiers relevant to my work), would fall somewhere on a 3D spectrum that includes many other identifiers, and shifts according to the day, minute to minute.

Best to all,
Alyce
alycesantoro.com <http://www.alycesantoro.com/>

> On Apr 14, 2020, at 11:03 AM, YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr> wrote:
>
> to: kerry turnstall and the other village idiots who make use of the yasmin
> list
>
> Kerry
>
> your email got me thinking- as alyce santoro mentioned the Post Pandemic
> Provocation
> village is assembling
>
> so you ask:
>
> I was thinking that most yasmine posts come from scientists that present
> art. Would that be true?
> Kerry Turnstall
>
> so : maybe after the pandemic we will abandon the current taxonomy of
> knowledge
> since it proved useless in having human societies anticipate , prepare for
> and
> deal with worldwide pandemics.
>
> As the human population reaches 10 billion
> with concentrations of people breathing on each other all the time in
> absurdly
> dense human settlements clearly we have
> to abandon the idea that the categories of artist and scientist still make
> sense ?
>
> but more seriously why do you ask the question ? yasmin is a village that
> has
> been randomly formed over the last 10 years with individuals coming and
> going
>
> the anchors have been the moderators;
> dimitris charitos does kerry's question make sense to you ?
> Nina ?
> Alyce ?
> Guillermo ?
> Jadwiga ?
> Monica ?
> Ricardo ?
> Houssine ?
> Roger ? oops thats me
> Myriam ?
> Pier Luigi ?
> Marta ?
> Ana ?
> Hadel ?
> Erika ?
> Do you consider yourself artists or scientists or ?
> roger
> The YASMIN list is currently moderated by the following team : Pau Alsina,
> Dimitris Charitos, Nina Czegledy,Monica Bello, Ricardo Mbarkho, Guillermo
> Munoz Matutano, Houssine Soussi, Roger Malina.
>
> Regional correspondents of YASMIN are Myriam Ait Houmerach Hammani in
> Algeria, Nahla Mattar in Egypt, Marta de Menezes in Portugal,Pier Luigi
> Capucci and NoemaLab magazine in Italy, Hadel Nazmy in Egypt, Erika
> Katalina Pasztor in Hungary, Ana Peraica in Croatia and "Piratas de la
> Ciencia" in Spain. If you would like to help as a moderator or
> correspondent contact us.
>
> The Yasmin mailing list was originally made possible thanks to ISOC
> (Internet Society), The Rockefeller Foundation, Leonardo/Olats, The
> University of Athens, Artnodes- UOC Barcelona and all the coordinators from
> the "Yasmin Group". It is co-sponsored by the DigiArts Programme of UNESCO.
> We currently have no funding and the network is run by will-power. Help Us
> !!
>
> Kind regards
> Kerry Tunstall
> Roger in Dallas, please phone/txt/ +15108532007 if urgent
> The Malinas+1 are fine, but we have friends with Covid19
> The Yuris's night and malinas 70th birthday party has started at
> http://yurisnightdfw.com/
> I would love to record a short video with you discussing your
> ideas related to remembering for the future, how space activities
> can help us create a sustainable culture.- drop me an email
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1. Re: Post Pandemic Provocation no 7: B.C. Before and A.C.
After the Coronacene (YASMIN DISCUSSIONS)
2. kerry turnstall and (YASMIN DISCUSSIONS)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 09:25:10 -0400
From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr
Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Post Pandemic Provocation no 7: B.C.
Before and A.C. After the Coronacene
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Dear All,

I appreciate very much Roger?s provocation that more ?unnecessary" research is called for in light of the Coronacene. In late capitalism/neoliberalism, ?necessary? is so often defined as serving corporate interests ahead of those of people, as if what is in the interest of profit for the few will, in some ill-defined ?long run,? benefit the broader public. In my view, the false ?logic? of fiduciary responsibility requires immediate eradication. In my recent thesis <https://digitalcommons.risd.edu/masterstheses/415/> I argue that we can look to earlier movements for inspiration on how to approach such an effort...

In the first half of the 20th century, in light of the absurdity of millions of deaths, both from WWI and the pandemic of 1918, the Dadaists and Surrealists challenged the brutal ?logic? that envisioned a kind of ?progress? that left so much suffering and destruction in its wake. I argue that knowledge produced by the contemporary environmental humanities?in keeping with the spirit of some in the earlier Romantic Naturalist and avant-garde movements?in powerfully producing alternative models?can contribute to the production of fair, just, ethical ?logics,? ones that have the power to replace prevailing exploitative ones.

I wrote the following sub-provocation as a follow-up to a Zoom call on the newly-forming Post Pandemic Provocations Group with Victoria Vesna, Nina Czegledy, Joel Slayton, and Roger Malina (text also available as a blog post <http://alycesantoro.blogspot.com/2020/04/an-anti-virus.html>?please see accompanying stop-action animation with sound on Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/alyce.santoro/videos/10156882334896813/> or Instagram <https://www.instagram.com/p/B-7jgVYF5rN/>).

Looking forward,
Alyce Santoro
delicate empiricist ? philosoprovocateur ? social surrealist <https://www.alycesantoro.com/>


AN ANTI-VIRUS

COVID-19 has quickly and profoundly illustrated the extent to which environments, livelihoods, and even microbiomes are globally-entangled and mutually-dependent; the health of one hinges, directly or indirectly, on the health of all.
Symbiosis is a term used in biology to describe cooperation between different species for shared benefit?lichens, a composite of algae and fungus, for example. Certain species of figs, wasps, and the parasites living within wasp guts are mutually dependent; each can exist only in relation to the others.[i] <applewebdata://60575647-C2BF-49AB-A343-D04FC030EF7D#_edn1>
While the microorganisms that dwell within humans are not necessarily specific to Homo sapiens, they are so abundant that approximately half ?our? genetic material does not belong to ?us,? but to microbes that play vital roles in nutrient absorption, immunity, and cognitive function.[ii] <applewebdata://60575647-C2BF-49AB-A343-D04FC030EF7D#_edn2> Microbiology reveals that human beings, at the same time that we are exquisitely unique individuals, we are also dynamic meta-organisms, cooperative communities teaming with life.

The microbes within us arrive from all around, gleaned from food, air, soil, and water. A bite of apple grown in New Zealand, a potato grown in Peru, a tomato grown in one?s own backyard. A breath of air that arrived on a breeze from the Sahara, captured and imparted to fellow riders in a subway car in New York, Paris, or Hong Kong. Aspects of seemingly distant people and places are constantly becoming parts of our infinitely individual, yet paradoxically multitudinous, selves. Fellow humans, other-than-humans, and even that which is not universally considered ?alive? (a water molecule, for example) all become parts of what make us ?us.?

COVID-19 brings the question of boundaries between beings starkly into focus: if we are all constantly exchanging biological (and other) material on a global scale, then perceived ?others? are, in tangible ways, extensions of ourselves. One possible remedy, then?not only for the problem of the current pandemic but for other catastrophes-in-progress?is to care for everything and everyone as if this is the case.

Perhaps this collective realization is a conceptual anti-virus with the radically beneficial, evolutionarily advantageous effect of driving those it touches into states of deep love and respect for the world and its inhabitants. Symptoms may include increased empathy, sense of wonder, and desire to be of service to others. This contagion becomes active simply by imagining it.


[i] <applewebdata://60575647-C2BF-49AB-A343-D04FC030EF7D#_ednref1> Kirksey, Eban, ?Species: A Praxiographic Study,? Journal of the Royal Anthropological Institute, December 15, 2015, 758-780. Accessed April 12, 2020: https://rai.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/1467-9655.12286 <https://rai.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/1467-9655.12286>
[ii] <applewebdata://60575647-C2BF-49AB-A343-D04FC030EF7D#_ednref2> Rees, Tobias, Thomas Bosch, and Angela E. Douglas, ?How the Microbiome Challenges Our Concept of Self,? PLoS Biol 16(2), February 9, 2018. Accessed April 12, 2020: https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pbio.2005358 <https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pbio.2005358>






> On Apr 4, 2020, at 11:41 PM, YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr> wrote:
>
> yasminers
> In a previous email Alyce Santoro gave us three proocations for the
> post pandemic summarised below
> but in full at
> http://malina.diatrope.com/2020/04/04/post-pandemic-provocation-no-7-b-c-before-and-a-c-after-the-coronacene/
>
> Post Pandemic Provocation no 7: B.C. Before and A.C. After the Coronacene
>
> Let us Give the Bacteria and Viruses a Voice- Artists can already hear
> them, can you?
>
> or : The Anthropocene has become the ?Coronacene?, with poetic sound
> incense transforming us, thanks to the work of artscientists
> described below.
>
> This blog post on behalf of one of many small emerging post pandemic
> Leonardo villages: seaded by Nina Czegledy, Joel Slayton, Diana Ayton
> Shenker, Alyce Santoro, and 296 others named below.
>
> We live in strange times when the desirable unexpected may need to be provoked.
>
> Provocation 1:
>
> In times like this, we need more un-necessary research,
>
> Not Provocative: less un-necessary travel, email and texting and
> un-necessary consumption
>
> Provocation 2: but above all we must re-define the un-necessary.
>
> (I learned these new-old ideas at the STARTS village reunion at IRCAM
> in Paris ( https://vertigo.starts.eu/ )
> just two weeks before the world started having a covid 19 panic attack.
>
> So here we go:
>
> Nina Czegledy, Joel Slayton and I were tasked by the new Leonardo CEO
> Diana Ayton-Shenker (https://www.leonardo.info/led/19253 ) to think
> aloud about how the Leonardo art,science,technology (
> https://www.leonardo.info/welink-ten-easy-pieces ) villages of
> villages could have an impact in these chaotic and turbulent times of
> COVID 19.
>
> We are slowly stewing a Proven?ale Bouillabaisse that could become a
> Leonardo Post Pandemic Provocation Soup.
>
> Alyce Santoro in the Yasmin village
> (http://yasminlist.blogspot.com/2020/ ) proposed three types of
> provocations:
>
> she said:
> I suggest that in the post-pandemic world, creative practices (ones
> that arouse the imagination, senses, and emotions??
> . The objective stance we are obliged to take as good scientists in
> fact reinforces the notion that humans are autonomous entities/outside
> observers, separate from one another and the biosphere?
> An Intricate Ensemble: The Art-Science of An Ecological Imaginary for
> the Anthropocene Epoch? is available for download in its entirety at
> RISD Digital Commons:
> https://digitalcommons.risd.edu/masterstheses/415/
> <https://digitalcommons.risd.edu/masterstheses/415/>.
>
> No doubt members of our villages can come up with others ? Rap them out !
>
> The good news is that a team of artscience researchers have already
> developed the methods to hear the sounds of bacteria, but also viruses
> (ask Scot Gresham Lancaster, Gagan Wig and Sharath Chandra Ram who
> have pioneered techniques through our Data Stethoscope projects: )
>
> Watch the YouTube video led by Ritwik Kaikini that shows the simple
> techniques that artists, working with scientists, developed to listen
> to the sound of bacteria colonies growing, expanding and also dying.
>
> If only we could hear the Corona Virus COVID 19, then humans could
> adapt their behaviors to co-exist. Oops we do not want to destroy
> viruses and bacteria, we need them for us to exist at all, we need to
> be all in the microbiome happy together.
>
> So below, is the illustration of one technique for hearing bacteria,
> there are many, by the UTD Dallas ArtSciLab (
> https://artscilab.atec.io/ ) with the Gassensmith Bio Chemistry Lab
>
> Here below , in turn, in detail:
>
> A) Alyce Santoro?s Threefold Provocation
>
> Followed by the
>
> B) BioLux Chants project that allowed humans to hear the sound of
> bacteria singing for the first time. Listen here:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-pmmKRMT9w
>
> C) Ayen Deng and her team or artistphysicists have been giving voice
> to carbon nanotubes that could be useful to help us co exist with
> Covid 19.
>
> Roger in Dallas, please phone/txt/ +15108532007 if urgent
> The Malinas+1 are fine, but we have friends with Covid19
> Take care.
>
> to read the rest of this yasmin post pandemic procation go to:
>
> http://malina.diatrope.com/2020/04/04/post-pandemic-provocation-no-7-b-c-before-and-a-c-after-the-coronacene/
>
> and to all yasminers please provoke us
>
> Roger Malina
>
> _______________________________________________
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 10:03:55 -0500
From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr
Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] kerry turnstall and
Message-ID:
<mailman.2.1586876743.30475.yasmin_discussions_ntlab.gr@ntlab.gr>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

to: kerry turnstall and the other village idiots who make use of the yasmin
list

Kerry

your email got me thinking- as alyce santoro mentioned the Post Pandemic
Provocation
village is assembling

so you ask:

I was thinking that most yasmine posts come from scientists that present
art. Would that be true?
Kerry Turnstall

so : maybe after the pandemic we will abandon the current taxonomy of
knowledge
since it proved useless in having human societies anticipate , prepare for
and
deal with worldwide pandemics.

As the human population reaches 10 billion
with concentrations of people breathing on each other all the time in
absurdly
dense human settlements clearly we have
to abandon the idea that the categories of artist and scientist still make
sense ?

but more seriously why do you ask the question ? yasmin is a village that
has
been randomly formed over the last 10 years with individuals coming and
going

the anchors have been the moderators;
dimitris charitos does kerry's question make sense to you ?
Nina ?
Alyce ?
Guillermo ?
Jadwiga ?
Monica ?
Ricardo ?
Houssine ?
Roger ? oops thats me
Myriam ?
Pier Luigi ?
Marta ?
Ana ?
Hadel ?
Erika ?
Do you consider yourself artists or scientists or ?
roger
The YASMIN list is currently moderated by the following team : Pau Alsina,
Dimitris Charitos, Nina Czegledy,Monica Bello, Ricardo Mbarkho, Guillermo
Munoz Matutano, Houssine Soussi, Roger Malina.

Regional correspondents of YASMIN are Myriam Ait Houmerach Hammani in
Algeria, Nahla Mattar in Egypt, Marta de Menezes in Portugal,Pier Luigi
Capucci and NoemaLab magazine in Italy, Hadel Nazmy in Egypt, Erika
Katalina Pasztor in Hungary, Ana Peraica in Croatia and "Piratas de la
Ciencia" in Spain. If you would like to help as a moderator or
correspondent contact us.

The Yasmin mailing list was originally made possible thanks to ISOC
(Internet Society), The Rockefeller Foundation, Leonardo/Olats, The
University of Athens, Artnodes- UOC Barcelona and all the coordinators from
the "Yasmin Group". It is co-sponsored by the DigiArts Programme of UNESCO.
We currently have no funding and the network is run by will-power. Help Us
!!

Kind regards
Kerry Tunstall
Roger in Dallas, please phone/txt/ +15108532007 if urgent
The Malinas+1 are fine, but we have friends with Covid19
The Yuris's night and malinas 70th birthday party has started at
http://yurisnightdfw.com/
I would love to record a short video with you discussing your
ideas related to remembering for the future, how space activities
can help us create a sustainable culture.- drop me an email


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(YASMIN DISCUSSIONS)


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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2020 07:37:07 +1200
From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr
Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Yasmin_discussions Digest, Vol 25,
Issue 4
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

I was thinking that most yasmine posts come from scientists that present
art. Would that be true?

Kind regards
Kerry Tunstall

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> THIS IS THE YASMIN-DISCUSSIONS DIGEST
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>
> Today's Topics:
>
> 1. Post Pandemic Provocation no 7: B.C. Before and A.C. After
> the Coronacene (YASMIN DISCUSSIONS)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 22:41:42 -0500
> From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
> To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr
> Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] Post Pandemic Provocation no 7: B.C.
> Before and A.C. After the Coronacene
> Message-ID:
> <mailman.9.1586058757.1182.yasmin_discussions_ntlab.gr@ntlab.gr>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> yasminers
> In a previous email Alyce Santoro gave us three proocations for the
> post pandemic summarised below
> but in full at
>
> http://malina.diatrope.com/2020/04/04/post-pandemic-provocation-no-7-b-c-before-and-a-c-after-the-coronacene/
>
> Post Pandemic Provocation no 7: B.C. Before and A.C. After the Coronacene
>
> Let us Give the Bacteria and Viruses a Voice- Artists can already hear
> them, can you?
>
> or : The Anthropocene has become the ?Coronacene?, with poetic sound
> incense transforming us, thanks to the work of artscientists
> described below.
>
> This blog post on behalf of one of many small emerging post pandemic
> Leonardo villages: seaded by Nina Czegledy, Joel Slayton, Diana Ayton
> Shenker, Alyce Santoro, and 296 others named below.
>
> We live in strange times when the desirable unexpected may need to be
> provoked.
>
> Provocation 1:
>
> In times like this, we need more un-necessary research,
>
> Not Provocative: less un-necessary travel, email and texting and
> un-necessary consumption
>
> Provocation 2: but above all we must re-define the un-necessary.
>
> (I learned these new-old ideas at the STARTS village reunion at IRCAM
> in Paris ( https://vertigo.starts.eu/ )
> just two weeks before the world started having a covid 19 panic attack.
>
> So here we go:
>
> Nina Czegledy, Joel Slayton and I were tasked by the new Leonardo CEO
> Diana Ayton-Shenker (https://www.leonardo.info/led/19253 ) to think
> aloud about how the Leonardo art,science,technology (
> https://www.leonardo.info/welink-ten-easy-pieces ) villages of
> villages could have an impact in these chaotic and turbulent times of
> COVID 19.
>
> We are slowly stewing a Proven?ale Bouillabaisse that could become a
> Leonardo Post Pandemic Provocation Soup.
>
> Alyce Santoro in the Yasmin village
> (http://yasminlist.blogspot.com/2020/ ) proposed three types of
> provocations:
>
> she said:
> I suggest that in the post-pandemic world, creative practices (ones
> that arouse the imagination, senses, and emotions??
> . The objective stance we are obliged to take as good scientists in
> fact reinforces the notion that humans are autonomous entities/outside
> observers, separate from one another and the biosphere?
> An Intricate Ensemble: The Art-Science of An Ecological Imaginary for
> the Anthropocene Epoch? is available for download in its entirety at
> RISD Digital Commons:
> https://digitalcommons.risd.edu/masterstheses/415/
> <https://digitalcommons.risd.edu/masterstheses/415/>.
>
> No doubt members of our villages can come up with others ? Rap them out !
>
> The good news is that a team of artscience researchers have already
> developed the methods to hear the sounds of bacteria, but also viruses
> (ask Scot Gresham Lancaster, Gagan Wig and Sharath Chandra Ram who
> have pioneered techniques through our Data Stethoscope projects: )
>
> Watch the YouTube video led by Ritwik Kaikini that shows the simple
> techniques that artists, working with scientists, developed to listen
> to the sound of bacteria colonies growing, expanding and also dying.
>
> If only we could hear the Corona Virus COVID 19, then humans could
> adapt their behaviors to co-exist. Oops we do not want to destroy
> viruses and bacteria, we need them for us to exist at all, we need to
> be all in the microbiome happy together.
>
> So below, is the illustration of one technique for hearing bacteria,
> there are many, by the UTD Dallas ArtSciLab (
> https://artscilab.atec.io/ ) with the Gassensmith Bio Chemistry Lab
>
> Here below , in turn, in detail:
>
> A) Alyce Santoro?s Threefold Provocation
>
> Followed by the
>
> B) BioLux Chants project that allowed humans to hear the sound of
> bacteria singing for the first time. Listen here:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-pmmKRMT9w
>
> C) Ayen Deng and her team or artistphysicists have been giving voice
> to carbon nanotubes that could be useful to help us co exist with
> Covid 19.
>
> Roger in Dallas, please phone/txt/ +15108532007 if urgent
> The Malinas+1 are fine, but we have friends with Covid19
> Take care.
>
> to read the rest of this yasmin post pandemic procation go to:
>
>
> http://malina.diatrope.com/2020/04/04/post-pandemic-provocation-no-7-b-c-before-and-a-c-after-the-coronacene/
>
> and to all yasminers please provoke us
>
> Roger Malina
>
>
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Saturday, April 11, 2020

Reply 11/04/2020

Dr. D.Dayal
Operations/Regional Manager
Santander Bank Plc,
47-48 Piccadilly
PICCADILLY
W1J0DT
London United Kingdom

Hello friend,

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5. Age:
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Thanking you in anticipation of your important reply.

Yours Respectfully
Dr. D.Dayal

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Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 22:41:42 -0500
From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr
Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] Post Pandemic Provocation no 7: B.C.
Before and A.C. After the Coronacene
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yasminers
In a previous email Alyce Santoro gave us three proocations for the
post pandemic summarised below
but in full at
http://malina.diatrope.com/2020/04/04/post-pandemic-provocation-no-7-b-c-before-and-a-c-after-the-coronacene/

Post Pandemic Provocation no 7: B.C. Before and A.C. After the Coronacene

Let us Give the Bacteria and Viruses a Voice- Artists can already hear
them, can you?

or : The Anthropocene has become the ?Coronacene?, with poetic sound
incense transforming us, thanks to the work of artscientists
described below.

This blog post on behalf of one of many small emerging post pandemic
Leonardo villages: seaded by Nina Czegledy, Joel Slayton, Diana Ayton
Shenker, Alyce Santoro, and 296 others named below.

We live in strange times when the desirable unexpected may need to be provoked.

Provocation 1:

In times like this, we need more un-necessary research,

Not Provocative: less un-necessary travel, email and texting and
un-necessary consumption

Provocation 2: but above all we must re-define the un-necessary.

(I learned these new-old ideas at the STARTS village reunion at IRCAM
in Paris ( https://vertigo.starts.eu/ )
just two weeks before the world started having a covid 19 panic attack.

So here we go:

Nina Czegledy, Joel Slayton and I were tasked by the new Leonardo CEO
Diana Ayton-Shenker (https://www.leonardo.info/led/19253 ) to think
aloud about how the Leonardo art,science,technology (
https://www.leonardo.info/welink-ten-easy-pieces ) villages of
villages could have an impact in these chaotic and turbulent times of
COVID 19.

We are slowly stewing a Proven?ale Bouillabaisse that could become a
Leonardo Post Pandemic Provocation Soup.

Alyce Santoro in the Yasmin village
(http://yasminlist.blogspot.com/2020/ ) proposed three types of
provocations:

she said:
I suggest that in the post-pandemic world, creative practices (ones
that arouse the imagination, senses, and emotions??
. The objective stance we are obliged to take as good scientists in
fact reinforces the notion that humans are autonomous entities/outside
observers, separate from one another and the biosphere?
An Intricate Ensemble: The Art-Science of An Ecological Imaginary for
the Anthropocene Epoch? is available for download in its entirety at
RISD Digital Commons:
https://digitalcommons.risd.edu/masterstheses/415/
<https://digitalcommons.risd.edu/masterstheses/415/>.

No doubt members of our villages can come up with others ? Rap them out !

The good news is that a team of artscience researchers have already
developed the methods to hear the sounds of bacteria, but also viruses
(ask Scot Gresham Lancaster, Gagan Wig and Sharath Chandra Ram who
have pioneered techniques through our Data Stethoscope projects: )

Watch the YouTube video led by Ritwik Kaikini that shows the simple
techniques that artists, working with scientists, developed to listen
to the sound of bacteria colonies growing, expanding and also dying.

If only we could hear the Corona Virus COVID 19, then humans could
adapt their behaviors to co-exist. Oops we do not want to destroy
viruses and bacteria, we need them for us to exist at all, we need to
be all in the microbiome happy together.

So below, is the illustration of one technique for hearing bacteria,
there are many, by the UTD Dallas ArtSciLab (
https://artscilab.atec.io/ ) with the Gassensmith Bio Chemistry Lab

Here below , in turn, in detail:

A) Alyce Santoro?s Threefold Provocation

Followed by the

B) BioLux Chants project that allowed humans to hear the sound of
bacteria singing for the first time. Listen here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-pmmKRMT9w

C) Ayen Deng and her team or artistphysicists have been giving voice
to carbon nanotubes that could be useful to help us co exist with
Covid 19.

Roger in Dallas, please phone/txt/ +15108532007 if urgent
The Malinas+1 are fine, but we have friends with Covid19
Take care.

to read the rest of this yasmin post pandemic procation go to:

http://malina.diatrope.com/2020/04/04/post-pandemic-provocation-no-7-b-c-before-and-a-c-after-the-coronacene/

and to all yasminers please provoke us

Roger Malina



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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 20:38:52 -0400
From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr
Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] yasmin thinking aloud provocations
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Dear Roger and All,

I would like to offer to the group a recently-completed project that, I believe, specifically addresses your questions regarding catalysts for alternative imaginaries?Romantic Naturalists, Dadaists, Surrealists, anarchists, radical biologists, social ecologists, and improvising musicians provide the clues. In a nutshell, I suggest practices and frameworks that emphasize and enhance collaboration, spontaneity, care, the ludic, and the dialectical, in defying convention, contain the potential to subvert it.

Provocations:

1. I suggest that in the post-pandemic world, creative practices (ones that arouse the imagination, senses, and emotions??the marvelous? as sought by both the Romantic Naturalists and the Surrealists) must be embraced as essential forms of knowledge production in and of themselves. These can be constructively applied?not simply as embellishment or in a support capacity?but in concert with science?s rigorous and dispassionate methods.

2. The objective stance we are obliged to take as good scientists in fact reinforces the notion that humans are autonomous entities/outside observers, separate from one another and the biosphere?the virus, however, powerfully demonstrates the ways in which humanity is interwoven with and inseparable from the vast milieu of planetary systems and forces. Can dualism be applied when due, while undue dualism is undone?

?An Intricate Ensemble: The Art-Science of An Ecological Imaginary for the Anthropocene Epoch" is available for download in its entirety at RISD Digital Commons: https://digitalcommons.risd.edu/masterstheses/415/ <https://digitalcommons.risd.edu/masterstheses/415/>. Feedback, comments, and critique welcome.

I am grateful to you, Nina, and Joel for bringing this topic to the list, and look forward to the ensuing discussion!

With best regards,
Alyce Santoro
alycesantoro.com <http://www.alycesantoro.com/>





> On Mar 30, 2020, at 2:34 PM, YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr> wrote:
>
> colleagues
>
> we know your email boxes are full of email gonorrhea-- this email is
> not infectious-trust us
> hah
> thank you jack ox for sharing your on line course materials- open
> access sharing is
> what we need in the gift exchange culture of the yasmin villages
>
> Nina Czegledy, Joel Slayton and I have started thinking privately about how
> to enable post pandemic ideas which we are calling 'provocations'
> (which art/sci/tech
> hybrids are expert in)
>
> But Joel insists that rather than by yet another futurist attempt to
> predict what the world might look like, the focus would look to
> ?provoke ? alternative solutions to immediate challenges in the post pandemic
>
> we build on the success of the anarchists, futurism, dada, E.A.T, in
> seeding generative ideas that took root
>
> we will moderate the yasmin lists carefully so that we dont contribute
> to the e-pandemic that is spreading
> quicker on the internet than the biological one in the ecosystems of
> our home planet
>
> Roger Malina
>
>
>
> Roger in Dallas, please phone/txt/ +15108532007 if urgent
>
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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 11:31:34 +0200
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Dear Colleagues

Since everyone who teaches that I know is now having to teach online I am allowing people to try out a prototype I made of my Visualization of Claude Debussy's Nuages . It will occupy your students for almost an hour- and if you use it I would appreciate your opinion- How did it work for you?https://intermediaprojects.org/pages/DebussyLecture.html <https://intermediaprojects.org/pages/DebussyLecture.html>
my email is jackox@intermediaprojects.org <mailto:jackox@intermediaprojects.org> We are in the process of creating an online-museum of artist-scientists and each will have a virtual tour, which will take a low subscription fee in the future.

This is part of a project being created by Intermedia Projects Inc, an online-museum of Legacy Artist-Scientists. Each artist will have a lifetime of work to see and analyze, each artist will create a series of virtual tours explaining their work in their own voices. The museum will always be available for free to the general public, but the Virtual Tours will, in the future, be available by subscription -

Jack Ox, PhD, MFA
https://intermediaprojects.org/ <https://intermediaprojects.org/>
https://www.jackox.net/ <https://www.jackox.net/>

Creative Director of Intermedia Projects Inc
Research Associate with the Center for Advanced Research Computing, UNM
Research Fellow at ART/SCI Lab, ATEC, University of Texas, Dallas





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To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr
Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] yasmin thinking aloud provocations for
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colleagues

we know your email boxes are full of email gonorrhea-- this email is
not infectious-trust us
hah
thank you jack ox for sharing your on line course materials- open
access sharing is
what we need in the gift exchange culture of the yasmin villages

Nina Czegledy, Joel Slayton and I have started thinking privately about how
to enable post pandemic ideas which we are calling 'provocations'
(which art/sci/tech
hybrids are expert in)

But Joel insists that rather than by yet another futurist attempt to
predict what the world might look like, the focus would look to
?provoke ? alternative solutions to immediate challenges in the post pandemic

we build on the success of the anarchists, futurism, dada, E.A.T, in
seeding generative ideas that took root

we will moderate the yasmin lists carefully so that we dont contribute
to the e-pandemic that is spreading
quicker on the internet than the biological one in the ecosystems of
our home planet

Roger Malina



Roger in Dallas, please phone/txt/ +15108532007 if urgent



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