Aside from only a handful of historical examples to the contrary, (The
Renaissance and a Corridor work by Bruce Naumann) an abashed answer of
'no' seems to reverberate from Rogers initial question. There is hope
that this contemporary situation can change, and likely in some close
possible future, some characters are reemerging on the scene that will
refresh us with a new language and capacity to communicate and
understand each other better across these borders.
But still, if we made only one slight tweak to the question of ours
and posed it rather from only a slightly different angle, ... but with
a wider scope . . . i believe we can already answer in the
affirmative.
So If we were to ask DOES ART SCIENCE COLLABORATION CONTRIBUTE IN ANY
WAY TO SUCCESSFUL SCIENTIFIC PROGRESSION?
Can we nearly agree on that? I mean scientists and artists ? Can
artists and scientists agree on that? I have to trust that some of us
can.
Again, with some redundancy, agreed, the supposed or imposed
"difference" between art and science, is not in their relevance, their
production, or their contribution per se - because they are in cases
equally rigorous, precise and engaging, even relevant to Life on
spaceship Earth- the difference or problem we face is in how we orient
the domain of these equally valid processes of knowledge and
technology production - One popularly more often engaging in this
practical and pragmatic "realworld", the "one self evident world",
and the other engaged in the ever expanding capacities of thought,
language and experience, its communicative possibilities and
potentials, its multiplicitous behaviors and perspectives.
A preacher preaches - lo siento - my apologies.
What seems to be missing, or even degrading some of the sciences, is
its discursive lack - its inability to reflect on itself, its
histories, implications and divisions, to take measure and
communicate, formulate or articulate to those outside of the reality
of maths and number - to be generous, patient and hospitable to the
other, to share its intentions or plans or hopes and dreams - its
spirit and future.
And of course, the inverse is the challenge for the arts - or the
"fine arts" rather - the incapacity to stop focusing on itself, its
theories and aesthetic principles, collectors galleries, museums, its
economies of self evident worths and constructed values - its
inability to look outside its circles of self generated egocentric
criticism and really engage in an even broader spectrum, to become
scientific without being co-opted or losing its visions and hopes, to
be able to come back to this island of the real, and also help out in
focusing communication, developing new languages, taking a step back,
leading an integrative example.
Happy to be a bit crayzee about this conversation
Even if you heard that one before
It is still imminently relevant
All the Best
On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Paul Fishwick <metaphorz@gmail.com> wrote:
> I really like Kevin's point below as I think he hits the nail on the head
> with his comments, particularly where he points to a need for
> artists to be able to "convince them [scientists] of the value of
> art practice and theory."
>
> Everyone on this list is already sold on the philosophical leanings
> involving the value of the arts, sciences, and their intersection so
> no need to continue to use this as an argument.
>
> I think a much stronger argument is needed for the future. That
> argument is based on scientific literature to show that under
> a variety of circumstances, the arts can improve something
> fundamental about cognition: for example, attention, memory,
> or a higher level execution function such as learning. If we
> build up this literature to include such findings, this will be
> most convincing to the scientist because all endeavors (inc.
> science) require effective cognition function. If you want to
> teach someone about organic chemistry, students will need a
> good memory, and the ability to command attention during the
> learning or communication activities involved.
>
> Anything short of this makes for "preaching to the choir"
> scenarios we find ourselves in often as we continue to explore
> this interface.
>
> -paul
>
> Paul Fishwick, PhD
> Chair, ACM SIGSIM
> Distinguished Chair of Arts & Technology and Professor of Computer Science
> The University of Texas at Dallas
> Arts & Technology
> 800 West Campbell Road, AT10
> Richardson, TX 75080-3021
>
> On Aug 6, 2013, at 5:59 PM, roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>
>> DOES ART SCIENCE COLLABORATION CONTRIBUTE IN ANY WAY TO SUCCESSFUL...
>>
>> In collaborations with scientists, I have often found, as an artist,
>> that it is difficult from the outset to convince them of the value of
>> art practice and theory. I agree with the papers quoted by Roger.
>> There is real asymmetry. I think that this in part arises because most
>> scientists operate in very a different academic, institutional and
>> financial environment from most artists. That may well be okay, but it
>> also means that artists will most likely never come to nourish
>> scientific research.
>> By Kevin McCourt
>> _______________________________________________
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in the meanwhile, self-representation, digital cultures and "native" people
in mato grosso
2013/8/7 roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu>
> DOES ART SCIENCE COLLABORATION CONTRIBUTE IN ANY WAY TO SUCCESSFUL...
>
> In collaborations with scientists, I have often found, as an artist,
> that it is difficult from the outset to convince them of the value of
> art practice and theory. I agree with the papers quoted by Roger.
> There is real asymmetry. I think that this in part arises because most
> scientists operate in very a different academic, institutional and
> financial environment from most artists. That may well be okay, but it
> also means that artists will most likely never come to nourish
> scientific research.
> By Kevin McCourt
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in mato grosso
2013/8/7 roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu>
> DOES ART SCIENCE COLLABORATION CONTRIBUTE IN ANY WAY TO SUCCESSFUL...
>
> In collaborations with scientists, I have often found, as an artist,
> that it is difficult from the outset to convince them of the value of
> art practice and theory. I agree with the papers quoted by Roger.
> There is real asymmetry. I think that this in part arises because most
> scientists operate in very a different academic, institutional and
> financial environment from most artists. That may well be okay, but it
> also means that artists will most likely never come to nourish
> scientific research.
> By Kevin McCourt
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I really like Kevin's point below as I think he hits the nail on the head
with his comments, particularly where he points to a need for
artists to be able to "convince them [scientists] of the value of
art practice and theory."
Everyone on this list is already sold on the philosophical leanings
involving the value of the arts, sciences, and their intersection so
no need to continue to use this as an argument.
I think a much stronger argument is needed for the future. That
argument is based on scientific literature to show that under
a variety of circumstances, the arts can improve something
fundamental about cognition: for example, attention, memory,
or a higher level execution function such as learning. If we
build up this literature to include such findings, this will be
most convincing to the scientist because all endeavors (inc.
science) require effective cognition function. If you want to
teach someone about organic chemistry, students will need a
good memory, and the ability to command attention during the
learning or communication activities involved.
Anything short of this makes for "preaching to the choir"
scenarios we find ourselves in often as we continue to explore
this interface.
-paul
Paul Fishwick, PhD
Chair, ACM SIGSIM
Distinguished Chair of Arts & Technology and Professor of Computer Science
The University of Texas at Dallas
Arts & Technology
800 West Campbell Road, AT10
Richardson, TX 75080-3021
On Aug 6, 2013, at 5:59 PM, roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> DOES ART SCIENCE COLLABORATION CONTRIBUTE IN ANY WAY TO SUCCESSFUL...
>
> In collaborations with scientists, I have often found, as an artist,
> that it is difficult from the outset to convince them of the value of
> art practice and theory. I agree with the papers quoted by Roger.
> There is real asymmetry. I think that this in part arises because most
> scientists operate in very a different academic, institutional and
> financial environment from most artists. That may well be okay, but it
> also means that artists will most likely never come to nourish
> scientific research.
> By Kevin McCourt
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with his comments, particularly where he points to a need for
artists to be able to "convince them [scientists] of the value of
art practice and theory."
Everyone on this list is already sold on the philosophical leanings
involving the value of the arts, sciences, and their intersection so
no need to continue to use this as an argument.
I think a much stronger argument is needed for the future. That
argument is based on scientific literature to show that under
a variety of circumstances, the arts can improve something
fundamental about cognition: for example, attention, memory,
or a higher level execution function such as learning. If we
build up this literature to include such findings, this will be
most convincing to the scientist because all endeavors (inc.
science) require effective cognition function. If you want to
teach someone about organic chemistry, students will need a
good memory, and the ability to command attention during the
learning or communication activities involved.
Anything short of this makes for "preaching to the choir"
scenarios we find ourselves in often as we continue to explore
this interface.
-paul
Paul Fishwick, PhD
Chair, ACM SIGSIM
Distinguished Chair of Arts & Technology and Professor of Computer Science
The University of Texas at Dallas
Arts & Technology
800 West Campbell Road, AT10
Richardson, TX 75080-3021
On Aug 6, 2013, at 5:59 PM, roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> DOES ART SCIENCE COLLABORATION CONTRIBUTE IN ANY WAY TO SUCCESSFUL...
>
> In collaborations with scientists, I have often found, as an artist,
> that it is difficult from the outset to convince them of the value of
> art practice and theory. I agree with the papers quoted by Roger.
> There is real asymmetry. I think that this in part arises because most
> scientists operate in very a different academic, institutional and
> financial environment from most artists. That may well be okay, but it
> also means that artists will most likely never come to nourish
> scientific research.
> By Kevin McCourt
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Hallo Yasminers,
I am really unsure about the tenability of the distinction between
science and art
The fact is that at their best both are creative producers of knowledge
We could call it the scientific arts or the art of science
but i suppose the language itself is flawed and misleading
Of course in "the one self-evident world" what we call science has a
strong grasp on another tentative and precarious term "the real",
however, in the multiplicitous world of difference, that which makes
life interesting - to quote a lecture from 1922 by Tristan Tzara - the
distinctively named Art seems to hold more sway -
The question however is more precarious and relevant when one becomes
more concentrated on the role of industry and finance -
Here in Germany on the weekend, on the cover of Die Zeit, or The Times,
There was an image of two rabbits - One mounting the other -
The one doing the mounting was labelled Industrie and the other,
taking it - as it were - was labelled Wissenschaft - loosely
translated Science, but more like knowledge production. ( All Fields
are so precise and concise here that they are labelled, for example
Theatre Wissenschaft, etc in the Universities)
So the better question might be about how hegemonic and conservative
industry and finance hold back the creative in both the sciences and
the arts, to the point of planned obsolescence, or outright stagnation
- though that is not formed into a question - i hope it makes some
sense to some of us.
Thanks for your time.
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 7:38 PM, roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> forwarded from the linked in discussion
>
> DOES ART SCIENCE COLLABORATION CONTRIBUTE IN ANY WAY TO SUCCESSFUL...
>
> I am a medical and biological illustrator, my job is to make the
> complexities of science and medicine understandable and approachable
> on a visual level. I have found that many scientist have very good
> visualization skills and our collaboration results in teaching devices
> which can teach other scientists and the lay person. In a country
> where the general population is often scientifically ignorant I find
> that this collaboration to be almost a civic duty. It is also fun and
> provides a continuous learning experience for me. I get to be an
> artist and a bit of a science dilettante in that I don't have to go
> through the statistical analysis of the research.
> By William Hamilton
>
> Richard Wong • I am an artist about to launch a project on "endangered
> species". I am and will be working with specialists in collaboration
> to raise awareness through community/public outreach, engagement and
> dialogue...all through the medium of art.
>
> Through my experience from an artist's eyes, this collaboration works
> very well. Art can be an effective medium to communicate important
> societal messages, especially if the purpose is to educate and raise
> awareness. Scientific research/work adds to the body of knowledge, and
> we artists working closely can access and use this body of knowledge
> to communicate generally or specifically.
>
> Would like to hear directly from those wanting to work closely with me
> on endangered species art.
>
> Richard
> http://richardwongwatercolors.ca
>
> claudia volders • Dear Roger
> First of all:
> As an artist I have the opportunity to work together in projects with
> scientists, which results in a grown for both of us. It is a way of
> synergy!
> As an artist I don't pretent that I have the knowlegde of a scientist,
> but a scientist is much more than knowlegde! It is passioned person,
> hard working talent! And this side of the scientist has been reduced
> to a very low point now. There is now money, no time enough to balance
> out between the knowlegde and passion.
> What I do as an artist is to increase passion and out-of-the-box
> thinking. And yes, this seems not important, but it is a way to
> successful scientific practice.
> Please look at more at:
> http://www.zenderdna.nl/index.php/en/what-is-zenderdna.html
> http://www.claudiavolders.nl/index.php/en/art-coaching/for-scientists
>
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I am really unsure about the tenability of the distinction between
science and art
The fact is that at their best both are creative producers of knowledge
We could call it the scientific arts or the art of science
but i suppose the language itself is flawed and misleading
Of course in "the one self-evident world" what we call science has a
strong grasp on another tentative and precarious term "the real",
however, in the multiplicitous world of difference, that which makes
life interesting - to quote a lecture from 1922 by Tristan Tzara - the
distinctively named Art seems to hold more sway -
The question however is more precarious and relevant when one becomes
more concentrated on the role of industry and finance -
Here in Germany on the weekend, on the cover of Die Zeit, or The Times,
There was an image of two rabbits - One mounting the other -
The one doing the mounting was labelled Industrie and the other,
taking it - as it were - was labelled Wissenschaft - loosely
translated Science, but more like knowledge production. ( All Fields
are so precise and concise here that they are labelled, for example
Theatre Wissenschaft, etc in the Universities)
So the better question might be about how hegemonic and conservative
industry and finance hold back the creative in both the sciences and
the arts, to the point of planned obsolescence, or outright stagnation
- though that is not formed into a question - i hope it makes some
sense to some of us.
Thanks for your time.
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 7:38 PM, roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> forwarded from the linked in discussion
>
> DOES ART SCIENCE COLLABORATION CONTRIBUTE IN ANY WAY TO SUCCESSFUL...
>
> I am a medical and biological illustrator, my job is to make the
> complexities of science and medicine understandable and approachable
> on a visual level. I have found that many scientist have very good
> visualization skills and our collaboration results in teaching devices
> which can teach other scientists and the lay person. In a country
> where the general population is often scientifically ignorant I find
> that this collaboration to be almost a civic duty. It is also fun and
> provides a continuous learning experience for me. I get to be an
> artist and a bit of a science dilettante in that I don't have to go
> through the statistical analysis of the research.
> By William Hamilton
>
> Richard Wong • I am an artist about to launch a project on "endangered
> species". I am and will be working with specialists in collaboration
> to raise awareness through community/public outreach, engagement and
> dialogue...all through the medium of art.
>
> Through my experience from an artist's eyes, this collaboration works
> very well. Art can be an effective medium to communicate important
> societal messages, especially if the purpose is to educate and raise
> awareness. Scientific research/work adds to the body of knowledge, and
> we artists working closely can access and use this body of knowledge
> to communicate generally or specifically.
>
> Would like to hear directly from those wanting to work closely with me
> on endangered species art.
>
> Richard
> http://richardwongwatercolors.ca
>
> claudia volders • Dear Roger
> First of all:
> As an artist I have the opportunity to work together in projects with
> scientists, which results in a grown for both of us. It is a way of
> synergy!
> As an artist I don't pretent that I have the knowlegde of a scientist,
> but a scientist is much more than knowlegde! It is passioned person,
> hard working talent! And this side of the scientist has been reduced
> to a very low point now. There is now money, no time enough to balance
> out between the knowlegde and passion.
> What I do as an artist is to increase passion and out-of-the-box
> thinking. And yes, this seems not important, but it is a way to
> successful scientific practice.
> Please look at more at:
> http://www.zenderdna.nl/index.php/en/what-is-zenderdna.html
> http://www.claudiavolders.nl/index.php/en/art-coaching/for-scientists
>
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DOES ART SCIENCE COLLABORATION CONTRIBUTE IN ANY WAY TO SUCCESSFUL...
In collaborations with scientists, I have often found, as an artist,
that it is difficult from the outset to convince them of the value of
art practice and theory. I agree with the papers quoted by Roger.
There is real asymmetry. I think that this in part arises because most
scientists operate in very a different academic, institutional and
financial environment from most artists. That may well be okay, but it
also means that artists will most likely never come to nourish
scientific research.
By Kevin McCourt
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In collaborations with scientists, I have often found, as an artist,
that it is difficult from the outset to convince them of the value of
art practice and theory. I agree with the papers quoted by Roger.
There is real asymmetry. I think that this in part arises because most
scientists operate in very a different academic, institutional and
financial environment from most artists. That may well be okay, but it
also means that artists will most likely never come to nourish
scientific research.
By Kevin McCourt
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Liliane Lijn • Hi Roger
I have been asking that question for some time. It would be very
interesting to see whether scientists
may experience some benefit to their practice from collaboration with
an artist or artists.
There seem to be more artists than scientists in this dialogue or am I
mistaken?
best
Liliane
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Liliane Lijn • Hi Roger
I have been asking that question for some time. It would be very
interesting to see whether scientists
may experience some benefit to their practice from collaboration with
an artist or artists.
There seem to be more artists than scientists in this dialogue or am I
mistaken?
best
Liliane
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DOES ART SCIENCE COLLABORATION CONTRIBUTE IN ANY WAY TO SUCCESSFUL...
I am a medical and biological illustrator, my job is to make the
complexities of science and medicine understandable and approachable
on a visual level. I have found that many scientist have very good
visualization skills and our collaboration results in teaching devices
which can teach other scientists and the lay person. In a country
where the general population is often scientifically ignorant I find
that this collaboration to be almost a civic duty. It is also fun and
provides a continuous learning experience for me. I get to be an
artist and a bit of a science dilettante in that I don't have to go
through the statistical analysis of the research.
By William Hamilton
Richard Wong • I am an artist about to launch a project on "endangered
species". I am and will be working with specialists in collaboration
to raise awareness through community/public outreach, engagement and
dialogue...all through the medium of art.
Through my experience from an artist's eyes, this collaboration works
very well. Art can be an effective medium to communicate important
societal messages, especially if the purpose is to educate and raise
awareness. Scientific research/work adds to the body of knowledge, and
we artists working closely can access and use this body of knowledge
to communicate generally or specifically.
Would like to hear directly from those wanting to work closely with me
on endangered species art.
Richard
http://richardwongwatercolors.ca
claudia volders • Dear Roger
First of all:
As an artist I have the opportunity to work together in projects with
scientists, which results in a grown for both of us. It is a way of
synergy!
As an artist I don't pretent that I have the knowlegde of a scientist,
but a scientist is much more than knowlegde! It is passioned person,
hard working talent! And this side of the scientist has been reduced
to a very low point now. There is now money, no time enough to balance
out between the knowlegde and passion.
What I do as an artist is to increase passion and out-of-the-box
thinking. And yes, this seems not important, but it is a way to
successful scientific practice.
Please look at more at:
http://www.zenderdna.nl/index.php/en/what-is-zenderdna.html
http://www.claudiavolders.nl/index.php/en/art-coaching/for-scientists
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DOES ART SCIENCE COLLABORATION CONTRIBUTE IN ANY WAY TO SUCCESSFUL...
I am a medical and biological illustrator, my job is to make the
complexities of science and medicine understandable and approachable
on a visual level. I have found that many scientist have very good
visualization skills and our collaboration results in teaching devices
which can teach other scientists and the lay person. In a country
where the general population is often scientifically ignorant I find
that this collaboration to be almost a civic duty. It is also fun and
provides a continuous learning experience for me. I get to be an
artist and a bit of a science dilettante in that I don't have to go
through the statistical analysis of the research.
By William Hamilton
Richard Wong • I am an artist about to launch a project on "endangered
species". I am and will be working with specialists in collaboration
to raise awareness through community/public outreach, engagement and
dialogue...all through the medium of art.
Through my experience from an artist's eyes, this collaboration works
very well. Art can be an effective medium to communicate important
societal messages, especially if the purpose is to educate and raise
awareness. Scientific research/work adds to the body of knowledge, and
we artists working closely can access and use this body of knowledge
to communicate generally or specifically.
Would like to hear directly from those wanting to work closely with me
on endangered species art.
Richard
http://richardwongwatercolors.ca
claudia volders • Dear Roger
First of all:
As an artist I have the opportunity to work together in projects with
scientists, which results in a grown for both of us. It is a way of
synergy!
As an artist I don't pretent that I have the knowlegde of a scientist,
but a scientist is much more than knowlegde! It is passioned person,
hard working talent! And this side of the scientist has been reduced
to a very low point now. There is now money, no time enough to balance
out between the knowlegde and passion.
What I do as an artist is to increase passion and out-of-the-box
thinking. And yes, this seems not important, but it is a way to
successful scientific practice.
Please look at more at:
http://www.zenderdna.nl/index.php/en/what-is-zenderdna.html
http://www.claudiavolders.nl/index.php/en/art-coaching/for-scientists
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