guillermo , robert
am going to pick up on your exchange on 'modes of discourse"- as guillermo
pointed out in the art science and city conference in Bilbao
http://www.artsciencecity.com/?lang=en
there were talks from architects, artists, urbanists, humanists and
scientists- and indeed
their way of developing and presenting their arguments varied- various
'discourses"
i have just been asked by judy malloy to develop an article on how the leonardo
community of practice developed the use of digital and on line media -
particularly
before the web- in our case the disruptive technology was desk top publishing
which we started using in the mid 1980s but then with ray lauzzana in 1987/8
started on line discussion/news groups on arpanet etc before
internet-- and now 99% of our
audience is on line and never sees our print products
judy malloy is teaching a course at princeton on Social Media:
History, Poetics, and Practice
http://registrar.princeton.edu/course-offerings/course_details.xml?courseid=012458&term=1142
the art and technology community because they were creating art using
digital media
also develop new modes of on line discourse to present and discuss
their work-this
happened much later in the humanities or urban studies- i think for example of
galloway and rabinowicz electronic cafe
http://18thstreet.org/public-programs/past-exhibitions-events/collaboration-labs/kit-galloway-sherrie-rabinowitz-electronic-cafe-international
and in 1991 leonardo published art and interactive telecommunications
edited by carl loeffler and roy ascott
which documented much of the work in the 1980s
the new media curating list
https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A0=new-media-curating
just finished a really interesting discussion around the curating
issues and documenting the work
in the 1970s and 1980s that were pre web- but also the early web art
things are accelerating again now with the development of various
forms of 'grey literature'- but also
open access publishing- and the ways that both artists present and
document their work is evolving
rapidly- we forget that the classic format of the scientific paper is
very recent- and that artists writing about
their own work ( which leonardo journal championed) is a relatively
recent development in the art world
so i think guillermo makes a good point that in these cross
disciplinary conferences like art
science and the city- we did see very different styles of arguing and
presenting, differing
rhetorical approaches from artists, urban planners, humanits,
historians, scientists- that this
diversity of approaches is valuable in itself as robert thill pointed
out we should not be seeking
to make modes of thought-and presentation- homogeneous
roger malina
On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 5:05 PM, robert thill <robert.thill@gmail.com> wrote:
> Roger,
>
>
> Guillermo,
>
> Your interpretation of modes of communication has been lampooned by
> many. However, I think it is very helpful to hear your perception of
> it when it is mixed at one conference. To me, the idea of
> communication becoming "explicit discourse" is more interesting than
> it becoming homogenous.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Robert Thill
>
>
>
>>
>> 2013/12/18 ciencia pirata <piratas.de.la.ciencia@gmail.com>
>>
>>> Roger,
>>>
>>> This is a great idea. I have some minimal comments:
>>>
>>> 1) It was amazing that this was the first conference for me where the
>>> communication by itself was transdisciplinary. I mean, the own
>>> lectures/talks uses different communication skils and techniques just
>>> because different disciplines have different languajes and signs.
>>> (Phylosophy = reading with voice entonation; Ciencie = visual schemes
>>> with
>>> very direct languaje; Arts: More interactive talks with videos). For me,
>>> at
>>> the firs sight, i understood as "errors", beacuse i´m used to see only
>>> one
>>> tipe of talk, but i understanded that each discipline have its own tools,
>>> and just for this needs different communication strategies. So, in
>>> conclusion, this conference, for me, was mediated by another discipline,
>>> which is communication. This is obvious, but if we push it into explicit
>>> discurse i think we can stablish more rigorous and powerfull exchanges.
>>>
>>
>>>
>>> Let´s follow,
>>>
>>> Guillermo.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/12/17 roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu>
>>>
>>> > guillermo
>>> >
>>> > it was great to see you and other yasminers at the
>>> > first Art Science and the City conference
>>> >
>>> > http://www.artsciencecity.com/?lang=en
>>> >
>>> > that was held last week in Bilbao.
>>> >
>>> > As i understand it Valencia may host the second conference
>>> > in two years.
>>> >
>>> > I thought it might be interesting if we shared our impressions
>>> > and reactions to the conference ? any particular things stand out /
>>> >
>>> > For me - one of the interests of the conference was that it was
>>> > dominated
>>> > by the architects and urban studies professionals and activists- i dont
>>> > often
>>> > interact with those professions
>>> >
>>> > I expected more discussion of the on line world as a public space and
>>> > what the architecture and design issues are- most studies of on line
>>> > behaviour
>>> > show that we carry over on line our habits and practices from the
>>> > physical world-
>>> > but maybe that there is even more segregation- homophily - on line
>>> > that in physical
>>> > spaces
>>> >
>>> > several papers of course discussed how computer aided design has become
>>> > a
>>> > source of new ideas in architecture- particularly the work of unstudio
>>> > http://www.unstudio.com/
>>> > where caroline bos presented their work
>>> > their work in knowldge sharing is interesting and it connected
>>> > to my own talk where i talked about open observatories and open data
>>> >
>>> > roger malina
>>> >
>>> > KNOWLEDGE SHARING IN KNOWLEDGE PLATFORMS
>>> >
>>> > Since the founding of the practice, UNStudio has been developing
>>> > design knowledge as a result of combining the designing and building
>>> > of projects with an active participation in architectural theory. In
>>> > 2008, following a continued interest in geometry, digital production,
>>> > material effects and attainable design solutions, this communal
>>> > knowledge led to the introduction of knowledge platforms to the
>>> > studio.
>>> > Whilst the primary objective of our project teams is to deliver the
>>> > 'result' of architectural thinking (buildings, plans, designs), the
>>> > objective of the knowledge platforms is to distill knowledge from
>>> > within the practice of architecture in order to propel design thinking
>>> > and innovation.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> > From: Guillermo Muñoz <m.m.guillermo@gmail.com>
>>> > Date: Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 4:26 PM
>>> > Subject: [Yasmin: This week Yasmin moderator
>>> > To: YASMIN ANNOUNCEMENTS <Yasmin_announcements@estia.media.uoa.gr>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Dear Yasminers,
>>> >
>>> > I´m happy to be your Yasmin moderator along this week.
>>> >
>>> > I would like to offer to all new subscribers to present themselves and
>>> > their related work to the art/sci context.
>>> >
>>> > I woud be happy to answer any doubt or try to solve any problem along
>>> > the
>>> > following week.
>>> >
>>> > Finally i just want to remeber to the list that some of us meet last
>>> > week
>>> > at Bilbao in the Art, Science and City congres, and was a delightly
>>> > time
>>> to
>>> > meet and discuss some of the ideas concerning the advantages and
>>> > difficulties to work in this networked area. We get a really motivated,
>>> > inspirational and charm session and talks.
>>> >
>>> > All the best from Valencia and best whishes for the following hollydays
>>> > days,
>>> >
>>> > Guillermo Muñoz.
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