hi all
this is such an interesting and rich discussion, and i only wish i had the time to give so many messages the time and response they deserve. but here, for now, are just a few quick thoughts….
In the art/science relationship there often seems to be the assumption that art is the inferior partner, and should be beholden to the rules of science. So in respect of the question as to whether there is pseudo-science within the art/science ouvre, I would say that there is, and that there is a place for it.
Pseudo-science would share much with the supernatural, in as much as the 'true' science is continually nibbling away at its edges and transmuting it into its own territory. Equally, art includes amongst its many responsibilities that of critiquing, complicating, and generally stirring things up with big sticks. The 'true' science should in no way be exempt from this, if only to serve to aid in the process of achieving a more concrete and communicable sense of what the 'true' science actually is.
Despite the occasional worrying (pre) new age tendencies of Guy Murchie's book 'The Seven Mysteries of Life', he talks eloquently about two horizons; the horizon of knowledge and its effect on the horizon of mystery. Located closely to points along the horizon of mystery is the supernatural. Locations which, as others have pointed out, science has claimed and has demonstrated to be entirely natural. Therefore the horizon of knowledge advances and the horizon of mystery retreats. Maybe this suggests that there will always be a supernatural. Where there exists the unknown we place the supernatural, as in the old maritime maps and their infamous declarations of 'here be dragons'.
Art has the ability to create a sense of the concrete out of just about any fabulous concept that the human mind can dream up. It follows that artistic treatment of the supernatural, within the art/science relationship, can sometimes begin the process of converting dragons into mundane natural phenomena. It can also remind us of the importance that the supernatural has, and that its endless and deep rooted fascination is a part of the human condition.
best regards
andy gracie
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On 17 Oct 2014, at 00:16, Liliane Lijn wrote:
> You might as well ask whether there is a pseudo art element.
> There is bound to be something of everything as in all tendencies. But this is an area rich with interest and ideas.
> Best
> Liliane Lijn
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 16 Oct 2014, at 21:59, Paul Fishwick <metaphorz@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> As one respondent to:
>>
>>> So I would ask the Yasmin list members -- is there a pseudo-science
>>> element concealed within the Art-Science enterprise?
>>
>> I certainly hope not.
>>
>> There is a fine line between 1) enjoying myth and the supernatural in terms
>> of telling stories and making art, and 2) treating the supernatural as forming
>> our "reality" however one may define it. Joseph Campbell's work speaks to
>> this - there are many wonderful stories but science draws the line with a art of
>> ontological barrier: just because something is unknown doesn't mean that
>> we have blank minds. In Campbell's approach to creation myths, they are
>> wonderful regardless of "truth."
>>
>> Some thoughts to get the juices flowing.
>> -p
>>
>> Paul Fishwick, PhD
>> Chair, ACM SIGSIM
>> Distinguished University Chair of Arts & Technology
>> and Professor of Computer Science
>> Director, Creative Automata Laboratory
>> The University of Texas at Dallas
>> Arts & Technology
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>> Richardson, TX 75080-3021
>> Home: utdallas.edu/atec/fishwick
>> Blog: creative-automata.com
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