Saturday, October 25, 2014

Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Instrumentalist Art-Science?

"... the fundamental principles of science offer no argument for atheism or against it."



Great stimulating response, Ken. Still, I essentially disagree with your assertion above.

However, I should first say that my notion of "being ok" with art-science serving the concept of atheism, was meant as an example of how one particular way of interpreting art-science could stimulate a broad productive discussion -- to reveal an edge I think it has, but has not explored. Still, I wish I had rather focused my comment on the concept of the supernatural. Atheism is a disbelief in God, and my sense is that the question of whether or not one believes in God, while most often the question asked of an individual in order to determine his/her position on the existence of things, humans, and the cosmos, is the wrong question to be asking. The better question would be, "Is there a Supernatural?"

The conduct of water molecules succumbing to gravity in a waterfall makes no argument for atheism or against it. But our knowledge that a waterfall is the name we give to an interaction between water molecules and gravity, and that it conforms to scientific principles derived over time by humans in a quest to gain reliable and scalable knowledge about things, is a different matter. The edict that "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" is only sometimes accurate. A null result repeatedly, e.g., the absence of evidence for any supernatural element taking place in the operations of a waterfall or the cosmos, can logically be construed as evidence against the persistent claim that such an element nonetheless exists and interacts robustly with the natural world. The fundamental principles of science and the layers of knowledge they have created over time, in contrast to the creation and existence stories embodied in supernatural belief systems, do offer an argument for !
atheism.

Art and science employ different methodologies, and I think it is important for artists to engage science with an understanding of it that scientists will respect -- no fuzzy science, no new-age pseudoscience. On the other hand, it is important for scientists to know that art has a tenuous grasp on theory, employs sometimes rigorous but entirely subjective methodologies, and is by its nature an intuitive grasp and expression of knowledge. It is always interpretive, always a statement of personal belief, and is slippery prey for a logician. That's not just a difference, it's torque power for reaching deeply and affecting how people think. A difficulty for art-science and for a list discussion such as this one on Yasmin, is that, to paraphrase Barnett Newman, some of us are ornithologists and some of us are birds. With no judgement intended or implied as to being either of those -- the true kinship of art and science is the spark of insight that can result when each discipline!
is allowed and encouraged to ignite the other . . .

/stephen


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[Yasmin_discussions] the example of Loren Eiseley

Dear Yasminers,

In praising the clarity of Stephen's vision of an art in
service to science as opposed to religion (see our
posts of October 19th), I made a point of invoking
Loren Eiseley as a moderating influence -- and I am
now quite glad that I did so.

Along with Ken Friedman -- the author of yesterday's
lengthy post equal in brilliance and clarity to that of
Stephen's -- I, too, must take exception with the direction
in which this discussion has turned. Yes, I too am an
atheist in not believing in the existence of a god or gods
as such; but neither can I endorse a crusading atheism
which insists, for example, that "everything is an accident".

It is the supernatural which we are trying to jettison
-- those irrational tendencies so often placed in the
service of discrimination, hate, and violence; but let us
not fool ourselves into thinking that its opposite, nature
(this the title of THE pre-eminent scientific journal!) must
conform to a currently limited human "rationality", and
in the name of which rationality -- as in the name of
religion --quite a bit of mischief has been carried out.
As per J. B. S. Haldane, "My own suspicion is that the
Universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but
queerer than we can suppose"; and it is of course
precisely this sense of wonder about the natural order
which Eiseley so beautifully articulated in "The
Immense Journey" and "Darwin's Century".

And in further consonance with Ken's questions about
the form of an alliance between art and science, we
might say almost by definition that it is art and not
science which will be best able to express the wonder
of the natural order.

Regards,
G. W. (Glenn) Smith
www.space-machines.com

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Friday, October 24, 2014

Re: [Yasmin_discussions] The Plight of the Supernatural...

Thanks, Stephen. I wish I could take credit for the work's title, but I have to admit that I lifted it from the NPR headline for Christopher Hitchens' obituary a few years back. It just really struck me as the perfect title for this collection of works. Thanks for the lead on Jean Meslier, by the way.

(Sorry for this aside, Yasminers!)

Joe


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Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] The Plight of the Supernatural...

"This idea of an atheist aesthetic is of particular interest to me right now, in that my most recent musical composition, An Unaware Cosmos, is an homage of sorts to various writers, philosophers, scientists, and political figures throughout history who have questioned or rejected the supernatural . . ."


"An Unaware Cosmos" -- such a wonderful title, Joe. If you haven't already, put in a few bars for Jean Meslier ( http://bit.ly/1xllC8J ), whose "Testament" was published in English for the first time in 2009. A truly remarkable 17th century French priest . . .

/stephen


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[Yasmin_discussions] Instrumentalist Art-Science?

Dear Stephen and Joe,

Your comment on atheism ([1], [2], copied below) contain many assumptions. These assumptions may be right but they may not. Even so, the assumptions on which the arguments rest have not been made explicit. The arguments you present against religion and favouring atheism are statements of personal belief.

Natural phenomena require natural explanation. The supernatural cannot explain natural phenomena.

This is a fundamental principle of natural science.

This principle is neither an argument for religion nor against religion. Neither do religions make the same kinds of arguments about God, and the fundamental principles of science offer no argument for atheism or against it.

As with lively dinner conversations and faculty lounge conversations, the conversation on art-science and the supernatural seems to have moved off in several directions. One of these is the call for art-science to advance the cause of atheism! To me, this sounds like … well, like a crusade, or at least a revival meeting.

Why should art-science serve as the instrument of any belief or cause?

Science is not instrumental. We instrumentalise science in technology. By this, I mean technology in its largest sense — ways of doing things (techne) with what we know. Science itself involves expanding the range, depth, and quality of what we know.

Several fields clustered around science do not themselves contribute scientific findings, but help us to understand the scientific enterprise better, and — possibly — to do better science. These include philosophy of science, philosophy of knowledge, history of science, sociology of knowledge, and perhaps some areas of philosophy. Other fields clustered around science interpret science to the larger society or the general public, such as science journalism, science communication, and science education (but not education in the specific scientific disciplines). Still other fields help societies and nation to use science in some way, such as science policy.

In developing this response, I find myself wondering what kind of field art-science is. It is likely that some areas of art-science such as data visualisation serve science and — in some cases — help scientists to do better science. Other forms of art-science comment on science or help the public to better understand science. I am finding it difficult to understand what sort of role an instrumentalist art-science would fill — what would it instrumentalise? What would it do? And what, especially, would it do if its role were to be that of serving the cause of atheism?

Would it celebrate the work of great atheists? Could we expect to see an art-science sonata dedicated to Richard Dawkins in the way that a 17th-century kappelmeister might dedicate an oratorio to the Prince Archbishop of Mainz? Of course, a kappelmeister had a job. The patronage of the church instrumentalised some music but not all music.

The same is true of visual art. Much of Michelangelo's work was instrumentalist, but not much of Picasso's was. Much of Le Corbusier's best work was instrumentalised for religion — but the fact remains that most of the instrumentalist work of great artists, composers, and architects had to do with the fact that the church had power and money to spend memorialising its power. It had little to do with the beliefs of the creators whom the patrons hired. If a bishop were to contact me with a major commission, I'd think about it. I would not agree to be baptised.

These two posts raised many questions. I'm not offering a counterargument or even disagreeing. Rather, I am responding with some of the counter-questions that occur to me after a quick reading.

One genuinely major argument stands out. Whatever art-science is, it is a secondary or supplementary field that depends in some way on science, as philosophy of science does. Nearly all works of art-science draw on science, and these works build on scientific work. Few works of art-science contribute to science in a way that scientists can build on those works in the same way that we build on scientific work. There are some possible examples, but these are few indeed.

Among those scientists on whose work we build, many believe in God, and many more are agnostics or skeptics rather than atheists. Isaac Newton was deeply religious, though he rejected Anglican doctrine and held privately to a kind of deism most comparable to the beliefs of some modern Unitarians. Einstein had a complex and subtle view of religion, referring frequently to "the Lord" and "Der Alte." (For more, read the 1999 book from Princeton University Press by physicist Max Jammer titled: Einstein and Religion — Physics and Theology.)

My own views? I am one of those dyslexic, agnostic insomniacs who stays awake at night wondering if there is a dog.

Yours,

Ken

Ken Friedman, PhD, DSc (hc), FDRS | Editor-in-Chief | 设计 She Ji. The Journal of Design, Economics, and Innovation | Published by Elsevier in Cooperation with Tongji University Press | Launching in 2015

Chair Professor of Design Innovation Studies | College of Design and Innovation | Tongji University | Shanghai, China ||| University Distinguished Professor | Centre for Design Innovation | Swinburne University of Technology

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[1]

Joseph Klein wrote:

—snip—

This idea of an atheist aesthetic is of particular interest to me right now, in that my most recent musical composition, An Unaware Cosmos, is an homage of sorts to various writers, philosophers, scientists, and political figures throughout history who have questioned or rejected the supernatural---and as a result, often suffering dire consequences at the hands of the religious authorities of their respective eras. My approach has been largely a reaction to the pervasive influence of religion on many contemporary composers---e.g., Olivier Messiaen, Krzysztof Penderecki, John Tavener, Arvo Pärt, to name just a few of the more prominent composers of religious music from the past half century---and a search for sources of inspiration based in objective reality rather than in mythology masquerading as reality. Like Stephen, I find the inherent beauty of nature all the more awe-inspiring in that it is completely unintentional---how much more interesting to realize that our very existence is the result of a series of coincidences and "happy accidents" over billions of years; and how banal the whole experience becomes when we attribute everything we know to some magical being who created it all just for us. That might have been a comforting thought for less advanced cultures from earlier in our species' history, but it seems quite unsatisfying---and more than a little ridiculous---in the present day. For this reason, I am exploring ways to address these concerns through my own creative work, and find the idea of a community of like-minded artists— inspired by the science side of the art-science paradigm—to be an encouraging and invigorating prospect.

—snip—

[2]

Stephen Nowlin wrote:

—snip—

I want it to say that every human in history who thought or thinks that sensation was an act of God or a work of magic superseding the natural world, has been wrong. I want it to say that if we could rid ourselves of that pernicious magic meme, we'd be much better off and the errant directions in which it has sent human logic careening for millennia might be rectified. I guess maybe that IS an agenda!

I'd be ok with the notion that art-science is being instrumentalized in the service of an atheist agenda. It would certainly give the enterprise some needed controversy! Not as a phony marketing gimmick, though — the fact is, that in art-science, art has paired with a domain that rejects the concept of the supernatural, at the same time that most of the world's population still embraces it. This tension is a legitimate body of content to be identified with art-science. The concept of a non-supernatural cosmos is much broader than atheism, and fertile for an expanded discourse. I think we, who play on the art-science playground, should recognize and encourage it.

—snip—

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Re: [Yasmin_discussions] The Plight of the Supernatural...

"This idea of an atheist aesthetic is of particular interest to me right now, in that my most recent musical composition, An Unaware Cosmos, is an homage of sorts to various writers, philosophers, scientists, and political figures throughout history who have questioned or rejected the supernatural . . ."


"An Unaware Cosmos" -- such a wonderful title, Joe. If you haven't already, put in a few bars for Jean Meslier ( http://bit.ly/1xllC8J ), whose "Testament" was published in English for the first time in 2009. A truly remarkable 17th century French priest . . .

/stephen


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Re: [Yasmin_discussions] The Plight of the Supernatural...

"I'd be ok with the notion that art-science is being instrumentalized in the service of an atheist agenda.... the fact is, that in art-science, art has paired with a domain that rejects the concept of the supernatural, at the same time that most of the world's population still embraces it.... The concept of a non-supernatural cosmos is much broader than atheism, and fertile for an expanded discourse. I think we, who play on the art-science playground, should recognize and encourage it."


Sign me up, Stephen!

This idea of an atheist aesthetic is of particular interest to me right now, in that my most recent musical composition, An Unaware Cosmos, is an homage of sorts to various writers, philosophers, scientists, and political figures throughout history who have questioned or rejected the supernatural---and as a result, often suffering dire consequences at the hands of the religious authorities of their respective eras. My approach has been largely a reaction to the pervasive influence of religion on many contemporary composers---e.g., Olivier Messiaen, Krzysztof Penderecki, John Tavener, Arvo Pärt, to name just a few of the more prominent composers of religious music from the past half century---and a search for sources of inspiration based in objective reality rather than in mythology masquerading as reality. Like Stephen, I find the inherent beauty of nature all the more awe-inspiring in that it is completely unintentional---how much more interesting to realize that our very existence is the result of a series of coincidences and "happy accidents" over billions of years; and how banal the whole experience becomes when we attribute everything we know to some magical being who created it all just for us. That might have been a comforting thought for less advanced cultures from earlier in our species' history, but it seems quite unsatisfying---and more than a little ridiculous---in the present day. For this reason, I am exploring ways to address these concerns through my own creative work, and find the idea of a community of like-minded artists---inspired by the science side of the art-science paradigm---to be an encouraging and invigorating prospect.

(But we have our work cut out for us.)

Joe


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Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 7:33 PM
To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS
Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] The Plight of the Supernatural...

Hi, Martha -- Let's stipulate that broadly speaking, art-science comes in
different forms: design-science, data visualization, product innovation,
ecology/sustainability movement, media experimentation, makers, fine art
-- and more.

My personal perspective is the fine art art-science. And from that
perspective, it occurs to me in thinking over your excellent question that
perhaps after one has looked at, listened to, read, or otherwise
experienced a form of art, there's not too much else to do with it other
than to instrumentalize, interpret, critique, and conscript it to serve
the interests of a particular ontology -- to bend it to one argument or
another. In my case it may be an agenda (I don't know) -- but in the wake
of describing the phenomenology of a fine art art-science experience, I do
find myself wanting to confer a deeper level of meaning to it than simply
the pairing of two stereotypically unlike domains (novelty) or just
describing the attractiveness of a visual sensation. I want that sensation
to also say that the world is more lovely precisely because it wasn't
meant to be lovely at all. We are the lucky finders of beauty where it
wasn't meant to be. Not through grand intention, but because our evolved
biology allows us such emotions and their concomitant sensation of
transcendence. I want it to say that every human in history who thought or
thinks that sensation was an act of God or a work of magic superseding the
natural world, has been wrong. I want it to say that if we could rid
ourselves of that pernicious magic meme, we'd be much better off and the
errant directions in which it has sent human logic careening for millennia
might be rectified. I guess maybe that IS an agenda!

I'd be ok with the notion that art-science is being instrumentalized in
the service of an atheist agenda. It would certainly give the enterprise
some needed controversy! Not as a phony marketing gimmick, though -- the
fact is, that in art-science, art has paired with a domain that rejects
the concept of the supernatural, at the same time that most of the world's
population still embraces it. This tension is a legitimate body of content
to be identified with art-science. The concept of a non-supernatural
cosmos is much broader than atheism, and fertile for an expanded
discourse. I think we, who play on the art-science playground, should
recognize and encourage it.

/stephen






On 10/23/14 2:46 PM, "Martha Blassnigg" <martha.blassnigg@gmail.com> wrote:

>Dear list,
>
>
>
>The posts so far have been thought-provoking in various directions;
>
>
>
>Aprille and Ken have among other issues both pointed to the political
>instrumentalisation of the so-called Œsupernatural¹ domain, in various
>sectors, science, religion and state...
>
>
>
>In reflection of the discussion around current art-science engagements;
>
>Is it again being instrumentalised, and if so what is the agenda behind
>it?
>
>
>
>Martha
>
>
>
>Dr. Martha Blassnigg
>
>Reader in the Anthropology of Media | Co-Convenor, Transtechnology
>Research
>| Editor, *Transtechnology Research Open Access Papers* | Associate
>Editor, *Leonardo Reviews* and *L|R|Q* * Plymouth University, United
>Kingdom
>
>http://www.trans-techresearch.net || http://trans-techresearch.net/papers
>
>||http://www.leonardo.info/ldrinfo.html || http://www.cognovo.eu/
>
>
>
>
>
>I have been invited to provide a brief background:
>
>
>
>My background is in Cultural Anthropology, Philosophy and Film and Cinema
>Studies (Universities of Vienna, Cologne and Amsterdam). I completed a
>Ph.D
>at the University of Wales revisiting the so-called spiritual dimension of
>the early cinema experience by shifting the attention to the contemporary
>debates around time, memory and consciousness at the interface of science,
>art and technology. My research interest lies in philosophical and
>historical inquiries into the metaphysical dimensions of technology and
>art
>in relation to the processes of human cognition. In this I focus on the
>perceptual experiences and affordances of media in both historical and
>contemporary contexts. Recent publications include the anthology *Light
>Image Imagination* (Amsterdam University Press, 2013), the monograph
>*Time,
>Memory, Consciousness and the Cinema Experience: Revisiting Ideas on
>Matter
>and Spirit* (Rodopi, 2009). Other outcomes of research have been published
>in *Convergence*, *Leonardo*,* Medicine Studies*, *REAL Yearbook of
>Research in English and American Literature* and in the anthology *Screen
>Consciousness: Cinema, Mind and World*, edited by R. Pepperell and M. Punt
>(Rodopi, 2006). Previously I have undertaken anthropological research into
>accounts and artistic expressions of experiences of angelic presences and
>compared processes of conscious mediation between technologically enhanced
>perception and multi-sensorial engagements of mediumship. A full list of
>publications and CV can be found at http://trans-techresearch.net/.
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Thursday, October 23, 2014

Re: [Yasmin_discussions] The Plight of the Supernatural...

Hi, Martha -- Let's stipulate that broadly speaking, art-science comes in
different forms: design-science, data visualization, product innovation,
ecology/sustainability movement, media experimentation, makers, fine art
-- and more.

My personal perspective is the fine art art-science. And from that
perspective, it occurs to me in thinking over your excellent question that
perhaps after one has looked at, listened to, read, or otherwise
experienced a form of art, there's not too much else to do with it other
than to instrumentalize, interpret, critique, and conscript it to serve
the interests of a particular ontology -- to bend it to one argument or
another. In my case it may be an agenda (I don't know) -- but in the wake
of describing the phenomenology of a fine art art-science experience, I do
find myself wanting to confer a deeper level of meaning to it than simply
the pairing of two stereotypically unlike domains (novelty) or just
describing the attractiveness of a visual sensation. I want that sensation
to also say that the world is more lovely precisely because it wasn't
meant to be lovely at all. We are the lucky finders of beauty where it
wasn't meant to be. Not through grand intention, but because our evolved
biology allows us such emotions and their concomitant sensation of
transcendence. I want it to say that every human in history who thought or
thinks that sensation was an act of God or a work of magic superseding the
natural world, has been wrong. I want it to say that if we could rid
ourselves of that pernicious magic meme, we'd be much better off and the
errant directions in which it has sent human logic careening for millennia
might be rectified. I guess maybe that IS an agenda!

I'd be ok with the notion that art-science is being instrumentalized in
the service of an atheist agenda. It would certainly give the enterprise
some needed controversy! Not as a phony marketing gimmick, though -- the
fact is, that in art-science, art has paired with a domain that rejects
the concept of the supernatural, at the same time that most of the world's
population still embraces it. This tension is a legitimate body of content
to be identified with art-science. The concept of a non-supernatural
cosmos is much broader than atheism, and fertile for an expanded
discourse. I think we, who play on the art-science playground, should
recognize and encourage it.

/stephen






On 10/23/14 2:46 PM, "Martha Blassnigg" <martha.blassnigg@gmail.com> wrote:

>Dear list,
>
>
>
>The posts so far have been thought-provoking in various directions;
>
>
>
>Aprille and Ken have among other issues both pointed to the political
>instrumentalisation of the so-called Œsupernatural¹ domain, in various
>sectors, science, religion and state...
>
>
>
>In reflection of the discussion around current art-science engagements;
>
>Is it again being instrumentalised, and if so what is the agenda behind
>it?
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>
>
>Martha
>
>
>
>Dr. Martha Blassnigg
>
>Reader in the Anthropology of Media | Co-Convenor, Transtechnology
>Research
>| Editor, *Transtechnology Research Open Access Papers* | Associate
>Editor, *Leonardo Reviews* and *L|R|Q* * Plymouth University, United
>Kingdom
>
>http://www.trans-techresearch.net || http://trans-techresearch.net/papers
>
>||http://www.leonardo.info/ldrinfo.html || http://www.cognovo.eu/
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>
>
>
>I have been invited to provide a brief background:
>
>
>
>My background is in Cultural Anthropology, Philosophy and Film and Cinema
>Studies (Universities of Vienna, Cologne and Amsterdam). I completed a
>Ph.D
>at the University of Wales revisiting the so-called spiritual dimension of
>the early cinema experience by shifting the attention to the contemporary
>debates around time, memory and consciousness at the interface of science,
>art and technology. My research interest lies in philosophical and
>historical inquiries into the metaphysical dimensions of technology and
>art
>in relation to the processes of human cognition. In this I focus on the
>perceptual experiences and affordances of media in both historical and
>contemporary contexts. Recent publications include the anthology *Light
>Image Imagination* (Amsterdam University Press, 2013), the monograph
>*Time,
>Memory, Consciousness and the Cinema Experience: Revisiting Ideas on
>Matter
>and Spirit* (Rodopi, 2009). Other outcomes of research have been published
>in *Convergence*, *Leonardo*,* Medicine Studies*, *REAL Yearbook of
>Research in English and American Literature* and in the anthology *Screen
>Consciousness: Cinema, Mind and World*, edited by R. Pepperell and M. Punt
>(Rodopi, 2006). Previously I have undertaken anthropological research into
>accounts and artistic expressions of experiences of angelic presences and
>compared processes of conscious mediation between technologically enhanced
>perception and multi-sensorial engagements of mediumship. A full list of
>publications and CV can be found at http://trans-techresearch.net/.
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