Saturday, September 27, 2014

[Yasmin_discussions] My New STEAM Lab

I'm building and managing a new STEAM Lab in an urban arts high school
where the demographics are 40% African American and 40% Latino American.
Boston Arts Academy is full-inclusion which means that students with
special needs spend most or all of their time with non-disabled students.
My challenge is how to create a space where Art and STEM teachers can use
resources to engage students who are majoring in dance, music, visual arts,
theater, etc. The curricula is not only interdisciplinary but also
culturally responsive. One of the main questions I'm addressing is:

How do artists tinker?

The dancer teacher was the first one to bring a class to the Lab. The
visual art teacher was next and after that the math teacher. The Lab has
open access hours (after school) and students have started showing up with
ideas for projects. We're only after about three weeks into the new school
year.

For more information about this new project check out this post:
http://bostonartsacademy.org/home-news/steam-lab.

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Monday, September 22, 2014

[Yasmin_discussions] What does STEAM have to do with it

yasminers

our stem to steam discussion prompted a interchange
between paul fishwick and kang zhang at the utd computer
science department

kang i think points out correctly that in fact
the stem to steam work goes in both directions

- STEM into the arts- as with computational aesthetics

and the arts into STEM as with aesthetic computing ( see fishwicks
book and manifesto)
http://www.interaction-design.org/encyclopedia/aesthetic_computing.html


there is also creative computing and computational creativity

we would be interested in yasminers comments and experiences
in working both stem to steam and steam to stem !!

roger malina

From: Kang Zhang <kzhang@utdallas.edu>
Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] yasmin redux
Date: September 22, 2014 at 10:57:15 AM CDT
To: Paul Fishwick <metaphorz@gmail.com>
Cc: Moon Kim <moonkim@utdallas.edu>, "Ryan P. McMahan" <rymcmaha@utdallas.edu>


Hi, Paul and Roger,

Thanks for forwarding the discussion.

The dual directions are well reflected in Aesthetic Computing
and Computational Aesthetics. I think the latter has been around
since the early days of computers, but the former is much
needed. Arts are particularly needed in HCI, visualization
and programming (Knuth called it Arts of Programming).

I have been arguing that the MBA or EMBA curriculum should
include at least an art class, and am sure this will happen
soon or later.

Just share some of my thought.

Thanks and best wishes.

Kang


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Saturday, September 20, 2014

Re: [Yasmin_discussions] yasmin redux

yes, yes, but artists are ever more able to "think" about the things that
concern all people, and to contribute to the creative conversations of our
times. I, as an artist, would choose paint in a tube any day if it meant I
could participate in current dialogues.

On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 4:08 PM, William Joel <joelw@wcsu.edu> wrote:

> Sigh ... oh how I long for the day when artists were also material
> scientists, physicists, chemists, mathematicians, etc. It can be quite
> extraordinary to consider how many, and varied skills an artist needed to
> survive. Somehow today, with the industrialuzation of art supplies, tubes
> of paints whose hues are fastidiously controlled, our students do not
> understand or appreciate the tools they work with. Then look, artists begin
> to use computers, and they're told that what they produce are not art
> works, because it was "too easy". Easy? Truly? Seems to me that in order to
> create true works of art, one needs to master her tools. Yes? But easy?
> Should we ask all artists to return to mixing their own paints, grinding
> pigments first, and then blending them with appropriate substrates? I'm an
> artist and a scientist, and both aspects (NOT sides) inform each other.
>
> Bill Joel
>
>
>
> ________________________________________
> From: yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr [
> yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr] On Behalf Of Paul Fishwick
> [metaphorz@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 2:23 PM
> To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS
> Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] yasmin redux
>
> Roger
>
> I am curious about something — in your post, you say:
>
>
> this can sometimes 'instrumentalise' the arts in
> > the service of science and industry
>
>
> If the above is seen to be an issue, what about mathematics, the
> sciences and engineering being "instrumentalized" in the service to
> the arts? I would imagine that you have an equal problem with this
> direction?
> We cannot have it both ways, meaning that we cannot disparage the
> using of the arts as new means for improving something (communication,
> education), but then have no problems with artists using
> math/sci/engineering
> as "instrumental." Either (1) any sort of instrumentalization is considered
> problematic in either direction (art->sci, sci->art), or (2) both sorts of
> instrumentalization are seen as equally beneficial and both should be
> celebrated.
> I think we all agree that "using", "instrument", and "tool" are a bit
> pejorative
> regardless of who or what is being targeted (artists, computer scientists,
> etc).
> However, lots of research is needed in both directions.
> Most folks are going to emphasize one thing over the other, especially
> given
> our divided, disciplinary academy. In such an environment, we should be
> glad
> that some scientists are accepting of the arts to improve their fields in
> the same
> way that we are glad that artists "use" new sci/eng products. If
> scientists can
> improve their STEM fields by "arts integration" (let's use that term
> rather than the
> words "instrument" or "tool"), that is a good outcome considering that
> vast majority of my STEM colleagues have no special interest in the arts.
>
> -p
>
>
>
> On Sep 19, 2014, at 9:19 PM, roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>
> > yasminers
> > our list was down for a few days
> > if you tried to post and it didnt'
> > appear=please re [post
> >
> > we are hoping to continue the stem
> > to steam
> > discussion for another week and would welcome
> > insights
> >
> > clearly the stem to steam discussion is embedded'
> > in a currently fashionable political/economic discourse
> > about creativity/innovation/employment
> >
> > this can sometimes 'instrumentalise' the arts in
> > the service of science and industry
> >
> > how can we articulate the sciences and engineering
> > in the support of the arts as goals in themselves ?
> >
> > roger malina
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Re: [Yasmin_discussions] yasmin redux

Sigh ... oh how I long for the day when artists were also material scientists, physicists, chemists, mathematicians, etc. It can be quite extraordinary to consider how many, and varied skills an artist needed to survive. Somehow today, with the industrialuzation of art supplies, tubes of paints whose hues are fastidiously controlled, our students do not understand or appreciate the tools they work with. Then look, artists begin to use computers, and they're told that what they produce are not art works, because it was "too easy". Easy? Truly? Seems to me that in order to create true works of art, one needs to master her tools. Yes? But easy? Should we ask all artists to return to mixing their own paints, grinding pigments first, and then blending them with appropriate substrates? I'm an artist and a scientist, and both aspects (NOT sides) inform each other.

Bill Joel



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Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 2:23 PM
To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS
Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] yasmin redux

Roger

I am curious about something — in your post, you say:


this can sometimes 'instrumentalise' the arts in
> the service of science and industry


If the above is seen to be an issue, what about mathematics, the
sciences and engineering being "instrumentalized" in the service to
the arts? I would imagine that you have an equal problem with this
direction?
We cannot have it both ways, meaning that we cannot disparage the
using of the arts as new means for improving something (communication,
education), but then have no problems with artists using math/sci/engineering
as "instrumental." Either (1) any sort of instrumentalization is considered
problematic in either direction (art->sci, sci->art), or (2) both sorts of
instrumentalization are seen as equally beneficial and both should be
celebrated.
I think we all agree that "using", "instrument", and "tool" are a bit pejorative
regardless of who or what is being targeted (artists, computer scientists, etc).
However, lots of research is needed in both directions.
Most folks are going to emphasize one thing over the other, especially given
our divided, disciplinary academy. In such an environment, we should be glad
that some scientists are accepting of the arts to improve their fields in the same
way that we are glad that artists "use" new sci/eng products. If scientists can
improve their STEM fields by "arts integration" (let's use that term rather than the
words "instrument" or "tool"), that is a good outcome considering that
vast majority of my STEM colleagues have no special interest in the arts.

-p



On Sep 19, 2014, at 9:19 PM, roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> yasminers
> our list was down for a few days
> if you tried to post and it didnt'
> appear=please re [post
>
> we are hoping to continue the stem
> to steam
> discussion for another week and would welcome
> insights
>
> clearly the stem to steam discussion is embedded'
> in a currently fashionable political/economic discourse
> about creativity/innovation/employment
>
> this can sometimes 'instrumentalise' the arts in
> the service of science and industry
>
> how can we articulate the sciences and engineering
> in the support of the arts as goals in themselves ?
>
> roger malina
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Distinguished University Chair of Arts & Technology
and Professor of Computer Science
Director, Creative Automata Laboratory
The University of Texas at Dallas
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800 West Campbell Road, AT10
Richardson, TX 75080-3021
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Re: [Yasmin_discussions] yasmin redux

Roger

I am curious about something — in your post, you say:


this can sometimes 'instrumentalise' the arts in
> the service of science and industry


If the above is seen to be an issue, what about mathematics, the
sciences and engineering being "instrumentalized" in the service to
the arts? I would imagine that you have an equal problem with this
direction?
We cannot have it both ways, meaning that we cannot disparage the
using of the arts as new means for improving something (communication,
education), but then have no problems with artists using math/sci/engineering
as "instrumental." Either (1) any sort of instrumentalization is considered
problematic in either direction (art->sci, sci->art), or (2) both sorts of
instrumentalization are seen as equally beneficial and both should be
celebrated.
I think we all agree that "using", "instrument", and "tool" are a bit pejorative
regardless of who or what is being targeted (artists, computer scientists, etc).
However, lots of research is needed in both directions.
Most folks are going to emphasize one thing over the other, especially given
our divided, disciplinary academy. In such an environment, we should be glad
that some scientists are accepting of the arts to improve their fields in the same
way that we are glad that artists "use" new sci/eng products. If scientists can
improve their STEM fields by "arts integration" (let's use that term rather than the
words "instrument" or "tool"), that is a good outcome considering that
vast majority of my STEM colleagues have no special interest in the arts.

-p



On Sep 19, 2014, at 9:19 PM, roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> yasminers
> our list was down for a few days
> if you tried to post and it didnt'
> appear=please re [post
>
> we are hoping to continue the stem
> to steam
> discussion for another week and would welcome
> insights
>
> clearly the stem to steam discussion is embedded'
> in a currently fashionable political/economic discourse
> about creativity/innovation/employment
>
> this can sometimes 'instrumentalise' the arts in
> the service of science and industry
>
> how can we articulate the sciences and engineering
> in the support of the arts as goals in themselves ?
>
> roger malina
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Distinguished University Chair of Arts & Technology
and Professor of Computer Science
Director, Creative Automata Laboratory
The University of Texas at Dallas
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Richardson, TX 75080-3021
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Friday, September 19, 2014

[Yasmin_discussions] yasmin redux

yasminers
our list was down for a few days
if you tried to post and it didnt'
appear=please re [post

we are hoping to continue the stem
to steam
discussion for another week and would welcome
insights

clearly the stem to steam discussion is embedded'
in a currently fashionable political/economic discourse
about creativity/innovation/employment

this can sometimes 'instrumentalise' the arts in
the service of science and industry

how can we articulate the sciences and engineering
in the support of the arts as goals in themselves ?

roger malina
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[Yasmin_discussions] The list is ok

Dear members
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