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2. Re: asamina kaniari challenges yasminers to think about
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3. Salvatore Iaconesi seads in with Antitesi project which is
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Date: Sat, 29 May 2021 21:21:57 +0200
From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
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Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] asamina kaniari challenges yasminers
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or give plants a voting right (the most radical request so far)
or
implement the biosphere into the declaration of rights, constitution or fundamental / basic law (as in Bhutan)
Klaus Hu
Studio Klaus Hu / Berlin
> On May 29, 2021, at 8:42 PM, YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr> wrote:
>
> asamina and yasminers
>
> asamina thanks about your incitation of using 'living architecture'
> methods- yasminers her email is included
> and find out how to complete a tax return concerned with underground
> biological activity though a new as a living biological space in
> democratic deficit.
>
> we hope you are 'polling' the plants in your neighborhood as a first step to
> helping them to vote in your next city election-- recently i have been
> visiting 'decorative' plants and gardens in dallas
> manicured lawns and plants with every leaf designed by humans. Are
> urban gardens a help or a hindrance to
> making the plant world happier ? or both.
>
> i note that the nation state is an irrelevant 'scale' for intervention
> on climate change ( see the ideas of ramon guardans
> and nina czegledy)- we need global scales and neighborhood scales-
> satellites give us a sense of global climate
> change and by looking in your neighborhood you get a sense of local
> changes( eg increased flooding in many
> neighborhoods)- hence jonathon keats provocation to poll your local plants
>
> after we finish the plant polling over the next few weeks Jonathon
> Keats will lead the next steps in our
> yasmin discussions- but for now yasminers are invited to observe and
> notice whether their local plants
> are feeling well or not and report back. Once we have the plant
> opinion polls we can step forward.
>
> Roger Malina
>
>
> On Sat, May 29, 2021 at 5:19 AM Assimina Kaniari
> <assimina.kaniari@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Roger and Nina and Jonathan,
>>
>> I wonder if it would be useful to the plants thought experiment to think in terms of analogies between (city/urban/civic) plants (planted) and residents 'settled', by way of housing as a metaphor (through architecture). Building 'houses' which grow in a vertical manner (just as city growth in modern cities) resembles the way plants grow (vertically-yet without following rules of perspective, as Hockney has written about trees).
>> I always found interesting Kader Attia's discussion of modernism and mass architecture housing in France (and his work revisiting Le Corbusier's ideal city as couscous at Tate).
>>
>> Suzanne Anker has discussed how plants sense and feel (by drawing on M. Marder's Plant thinking: a philosophy of vegetal life in her discussion of her work Astroculture looking at links between speculative and real and historical conditions of plant growth (a terrarium as a space experiment in 0 gravity as a cabinet of curiosity) to think about plants, science and culture from the perspective of plants and ?how above ground and underground environments appear to plants'..
>> http://suzanneanker.com/wp-content/uploads/02.pdf
>> https://www.leonardo.info/review/2017/09/review-of-institutional-critique-to-hospitality-and-open-science-singularity-and
>>
>> This way of thinking about plants the living physicality of plants, their 'architecture' and survival patterns is indeed a thought metaphor for a rethinking of a 'living' architecture (not only in terms of the people that it hosts, like a biblical arc) but perhaps more in the sense of an expanded field (taking on board plant vision and growth as a living and real metaphor) just as Rosalind Krauss talked about the blurring of boundaries in the art object and 'sculpture' against the 'expanded field' also through photography in dialogue with architecture many years back looking at static and dry structures (is the work what we encounter on the surface or what is also underneath?). How can we account for the messiness and fluidity of water (waste) but if it is also something that we produce perhaps we should also have a payback from the profits of its management -as a tax return concerned with underground biological activity though a new as a living biological space in democratic deficit.
>>
>> Plants have roots which extend deep down in the soil (often fed and watered by sewers) but are encountered (from an anthropocentric view) at street level (as part of the city topography, as perspectival additions) as elements of the horizon.
>> Their growth by taking on board an expanded field leads also to a different thinking about more inclusive ways of participation in the profits of the new economy of waste as a plant-building-civic thought experiment. A
>>
>>>>> I am currently 'polling" plants in dallas and so far have discovered
>>>> that:
>>>>> a) i notice more unhappy people than unhappy plants- why cant dallas
>>>>> provide all humans a minimum annual income-
>>>>> as they do to plants who are watered and clipped and planted by the
>>>>> city for free.
>>>>> b) i dont know how to know whether a plant is 'happy' and my son
>>>>> xavier said i was projecting
>>>>> on plants things that are desirable to humans ( eg happiness) instead
>>>>> of asking plants what THEY desire
>>>>>
>>>>> If anyone would like to help us organise this discussion contact nina
>>>> and I
>>>>> via rmalina@ alum.mit.edu and czegledyn@gmail.com
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Assimina Kaniari, D.Phil Oxford, M.Phil Cambridge.
>>
>> Assistant Professor, Art History, Athens School of Fine Arts.
>>
>> https://www.leonardo.info/led/4685
>>
>> http://www.asfa.gr/assimina-kaniari
>>
>> Publications
>>
>> Acts of Seeing Artists, Scientists and the History of the Visual : A Volume Dedicated to Martin Kemp
>>
>> Assimina Kaniari, Marina Wallace, Martin Kemp
>>
>> Institutional Critique to Hospitality: Bio Art Practice Now. A critical anthology
>>
>> Assimina Kaniari (editor)
>>
>> Grigori Publications
>>
>> 2017
>>
>> http://suzanneanker.com/wp-content/uploads/02.pdf
>>
>> https://www.leonardo.info/review/2017/09/review-of-institutional-critique-to-hospitality-and-open-science-singularity-and
>>
>> Review of Susan Merril Squier's Epigenetic Landscapes: Drawings as Metaphor, Leonardo.
>>
>> https://www.leonardo.info/review/2020/08/epigenetic-landscapes-drawings-as-metaphor
>
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Date: Sun, 30 May 2021 21:12:33 +0200
From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr
Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] asamina kaniari challenges yasminers
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Before anything, do plants have free will ? How is it demonstrated ? Which
elements of its biology support this ?
And then, how will this free will be expressed and in particular the vote
decision ?
Mathieu Pr?vot
Paris
Le dim. 30 mai 2021 ? 20:58, YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
a ?crit :
> or give plants a voting right (the most radical request so far)
> or
> implement the biosphere into the declaration of rights, constitution or
> fundamental / basic law (as in Bhutan)
>
> Klaus Hu
> Studio Klaus Hu / Berlin
>
> > On May 29, 2021, at 8:42 PM, YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <
> yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr> wrote:
> >
> > asamina and yasminers
> >
> > asamina thanks about your incitation of using 'living architecture'
> > methods- yasminers her email is included
> > and find out how to complete a tax return concerned with underground
> > biological activity though a new as a living biological space in
> > democratic deficit.
> >
> > we hope you are 'polling' the plants in your neighborhood as a first
> step to
> > helping them to vote in your next city election-- recently i have been
> > visiting 'decorative' plants and gardens in dallas
> > manicured lawns and plants with every leaf designed by humans. Are
> > urban gardens a help or a hindrance to
> > making the plant world happier ? or both.
> >
> > i note that the nation state is an irrelevant 'scale' for intervention
> > on climate change ( see the ideas of ramon guardans
> > and nina czegledy)- we need global scales and neighborhood scales-
> > satellites give us a sense of global climate
> > change and by looking in your neighborhood you get a sense of local
> > changes( eg increased flooding in many
> > neighborhoods)- hence jonathon keats provocation to poll your local
> plants
> >
> > after we finish the plant polling over the next few weeks Jonathon
> > Keats will lead the next steps in our
> > yasmin discussions- but for now yasminers are invited to observe and
> > notice whether their local plants
> > are feeling well or not and report back. Once we have the plant
> > opinion polls we can step forward.
> >
> > Roger Malina
> >
> >
> > On Sat, May 29, 2021 at 5:19 AM Assimina Kaniari
> > <assimina.kaniari@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear Roger and Nina and Jonathan,
> >>
> >> I wonder if it would be useful to the plants thought experiment to
> think in terms of analogies between (city/urban/civic) plants (planted) and
> residents 'settled', by way of housing as a metaphor (through
> architecture). Building 'houses' which grow in a vertical manner (just as
> city growth in modern cities) resembles the way plants grow (vertically-yet
> without following rules of perspective, as Hockney has written about trees).
> >> I always found interesting Kader Attia's discussion of modernism and
> mass architecture housing in France (and his work revisiting Le Corbusier's
> ideal city as couscous at Tate).
> >>
> >> Suzanne Anker has discussed how plants sense and feel (by drawing on M.
> Marder's Plant thinking: a philosophy of vegetal life in her discussion of
> her work Astroculture looking at links between speculative and real and
> historical conditions of plant growth (a terrarium as a space experiment in
> 0 gravity as a cabinet of curiosity) to think about plants, science and
> culture from the perspective of plants and ?how above ground and
> underground environments appear to plants'..
> >> http://suzanneanker.com/wp-content/uploads/02.pdf
> >>
> https://www.leonardo.info/review/2017/09/review-of-institutional-critique-to-hospitality-and-open-science-singularity-and
> >>
> >> This way of thinking about plants the living physicality of plants,
> their 'architecture' and survival patterns is indeed a thought metaphor for
> a rethinking of a 'living' architecture (not only in terms of the people
> that it hosts, like a biblical arc) but perhaps more in the sense of an
> expanded field (taking on board plant vision and growth as a living and
> real metaphor) just as Rosalind Krauss talked about the blurring of
> boundaries in the art object and 'sculpture' against the 'expanded field'
> also through photography in dialogue with architecture many years back
> looking at static and dry structures (is the work what we encounter on the
> surface or what is also underneath?). How can we account for the messiness
> and fluidity of water (waste) but if it is also something that we produce
> perhaps we should also have a payback from the profits of its management
> -as a tax return concerned with underground biological activity though a
> new as a living biological space in democratic deficit.
> >>
> >> Plants have roots which extend deep down in the soil (often fed and
> watered by sewers) but are encountered (from an anthropocentric view) at
> street level (as part of the city topography, as perspectival additions) as
> elements of the horizon.
> >> Their growth by taking on board an expanded field leads also to a
> different thinking about more inclusive ways of participation in the
> profits of the new economy of waste as a plant-building-civic thought
> experiment. A
> >>
> >>>>> I am currently 'polling" plants in dallas and so far have discovered
> >>>> that:
> >>>>> a) i notice more unhappy people than unhappy plants- why cant dallas
> >>>>> provide all humans a minimum annual income-
> >>>>> as they do to plants who are watered and clipped and planted by the
> >>>>> city for free.
> >>>>> b) i dont know how to know whether a plant is 'happy' and my son
> >>>>> xavier said i was projecting
> >>>>> on plants things that are desirable to humans ( eg happiness) instead
> >>>>> of asking plants what THEY desire
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If anyone would like to help us organise this discussion contact nina
> >>>> and I
> >>>>> via rmalina@ alum.mit.edu and czegledyn@gmail.com
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Assimina Kaniari, D.Phil Oxford, M.Phil Cambridge.
> >>
> >> Assistant Professor, Art History, Athens School of Fine Arts.
> >>
> >> https://www.leonardo.info/led/4685
> >>
> >> http://www.asfa.gr/assimina-kaniari
> >>
> >> Publications
> >>
> >> Acts of Seeing Artists, Scientists and the History of the Visual : A
> Volume Dedicated to Martin Kemp
> >>
> >> Assimina Kaniari, Marina Wallace, Martin Kemp
> >>
> >> Institutional Critique to Hospitality: Bio Art Practice Now. A critical
> anthology
> >>
> >> Assimina Kaniari (editor)
> >>
> >> Grigori Publications
> >>
> >> 2017
> >>
> >> http://suzanneanker.com/wp-content/uploads/02.pdf
> >>
> >>
> https://www.leonardo.info/review/2017/09/review-of-institutional-critique-to-hospitality-and-open-science-singularity-and
> >>
> >> Review of Susan Merril Squier's Epigenetic Landscapes: Drawings as
> Metaphor, Leonardo.
> >>
> >>
> https://www.leonardo.info/review/2020/08/epigenetic-landscapes-drawings-as-metaphor
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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Date: Sun, 30 May 2021 14:37:35 -0500
From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr, Salvatore Iaconesi
<salvatore.iaconesi@he-r.it>, Jonathon Keats
<jonathonkeats@gmail.com>, Czegledy <czegledy@interlog.com>, Vania
Negrete <he.lios@hotmail.com>, Joel Slayton <joelc5slayton@gmail.com>
Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] Salvatore Iaconesi seads in with
Antitesi project which is about a love story between an AI and a
plant.
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YASMINERS
from salvatore Iaconesi
I hope you are well!
What a wonderful topic you are bringing up with Jonathon Keats for
Yasmin! (and btw, we had got in touch with him for La Cura years ago,
and he was super nice and gave wonderful contributions)
If he's not already involved I suggest you onboarding Massimo Di
Felice in Brazil: he's working across digital and indigenous cultures
and their diverse cosmologies imagining a plant parliament.
And I and Oriana would really also enjoy joining in through our
Antitesi project (Pier Luigi saw this one as well! :) ), which is
about a love story between an AI and a plant.
The AI continuously admires and contemplates its lover: when flowers
appear, how it grows, temperatures, humidity etc. By doing this it
progressively forms, over the years, a data set, in which it looks for
patterns about the rise of climate change.
When it finds them, this new digital-biologic life form generates an
emotional response which triggers the fact that it starts investing
the donations (which it can receive through its digital ID) on
companies and organizations which have been virtuous.
The artwork is also an open source toolkit using which you can turn
any plant into an Antitesi, aiming to form a planetary network of
plants which are not at all passive in fighting climate change, and
establishing new forms of kinships with human beings.
We created it as a prototype in 2018, and now, in 2021, the Federico
II University of Naples will acquire it to install it into the campus
and to use it in education, research and community programs.
In the beginning prototype Antitesi was an Agave. Now we have been
using a Wisteria Floribunda, which will wrap itself up onto a 30
meters high ex-industrial chimney in Naples, becoming a presence for
the whole campus. We have renamed it Wisteria Furibonda (which in
italian means Furious Wisteria) for its emotional response.
Thank you!
and hope to see you soon somehow
kind wishes
Salvatore
> > > We are working him as part of initiatives to mitigate climate change,
> > > the absurd idea of giving plants the right
> > > to vote- the first step is a citizen science project where YOU can
> > > poll the plants around you and 'represent' them
> > > in this yasmin discussion
> > >
> > > I am currently 'polling" plants in dallas and so far have discovered
> > that:
> > > a) i notice more unhappy people than unhappy plants- why cant dallas
> > > provide all humans a minimum annual income-
> > > as they do to plants who are watered and clipped and planted by the
> > > city for free.
> > > b) i dont know how to know whether a plant is 'happy' and my son
> > > xavier said i was projecting
> > > on plants things that are desirable to humans ( eg happiness) instead
> > > of asking plants what THEY desire
> > >
> > > If anyone would like to help us organise this discussion contact nina
> > and I
> > > via rmalina@ alum.mit.edu and czegledyn@gmail.com
--
Art is Open Source - https://www.artisopensource.net
Nuovo Abitare - https://abitare.xyz/
Human Ecosystems Relazioni - https://www.he-r.it/
Ubiquitous Commons - http://www.ubiquitouscommons.org
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Date: Sat, 29 May 2021 13:42:42 -0500
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asamina and yasminers
asamina thanks about your incitation of using 'living architecture'
methods- yasminers her email is included
and find out how to complete a tax return concerned with underground
biological activity though a new as a living biological space in
democratic deficit.
we hope you are 'polling' the plants in your neighborhood as a first step to
helping them to vote in your next city election-- recently i have been
visiting 'decorative' plants and gardens in dallas
manicured lawns and plants with every leaf designed by humans. Are
urban gardens a help or a hindrance to
making the plant world happier ? or both.
i note that the nation state is an irrelevant 'scale' for intervention
on climate change ( see the ideas of ramon guardans
and nina czegledy)- we need global scales and neighborhood scales-
satellites give us a sense of global climate
change and by looking in your neighborhood you get a sense of local
changes( eg increased flooding in many
neighborhoods)- hence jonathon keats provocation to poll your local plants
after we finish the plant polling over the next few weeks Jonathon
Keats will lead the next steps in our
yasmin discussions- but for now yasminers are invited to observe and
notice whether their local plants
are feeling well or not and report back. Once we have the plant
opinion polls we can step forward.
Roger Malina
On Sat, May 29, 2021 at 5:19 AM Assimina Kaniari
<assimina.kaniari@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Roger and Nina and Jonathan,
>
> I wonder if it would be useful to the plants thought experiment to think in terms of analogies between (city/urban/civic) plants (planted) and residents 'settled', by way of housing as a metaphor (through architecture). Building 'houses' which grow in a vertical manner (just as city growth in modern cities) resembles the way plants grow (vertically-yet without following rules of perspective, as Hockney has written about trees).
> I always found interesting Kader Attia's discussion of modernism and mass architecture housing in France (and his work revisiting Le Corbusier's ideal city as couscous at Tate).
>
> Suzanne Anker has discussed how plants sense and feel (by drawing on M. Marder's Plant thinking: a philosophy of vegetal life in her discussion of her work Astroculture looking at links between speculative and real and historical conditions of plant growth (a terrarium as a space experiment in 0 gravity as a cabinet of curiosity) to think about plants, science and culture from the perspective of plants and ?how above ground and underground environments appear to plants'..
> http://suzanneanker.com/wp-content/uploads/02.pdf
> https://www.leonardo.info/review/2017/09/review-of-institutional-critique-to-hospitality-and-open-science-singularity-and
>
> This way of thinking about plants the living physicality of plants, their 'architecture' and survival patterns is indeed a thought metaphor for a rethinking of a 'living' architecture (not only in terms of the people that it hosts, like a biblical arc) but perhaps more in the sense of an expanded field (taking on board plant vision and growth as a living and real metaphor) just as Rosalind Krauss talked about the blurring of boundaries in the art object and 'sculpture' against the 'expanded field' also through photography in dialogue with architecture many years back looking at static and dry structures (is the work what we encounter on the surface or what is also underneath?). How can we account for the messiness and fluidity of water (waste) but if it is also something that we produce perhaps we should also have a payback from the profits of its management -as a tax return concerned with underground biological activity though a new as a living biological space in democratic deficit.
>
> Plants have roots which extend deep down in the soil (often fed and watered by sewers) but are encountered (from an anthropocentric view) at street level (as part of the city topography, as perspectival additions) as elements of the horizon.
> Their growth by taking on board an expanded field leads also to a different thinking about more inclusive ways of participation in the profits of the new economy of waste as a plant-building-civic thought experiment. A
>
> > > > I am currently 'polling" plants in dallas and so far have discovered
> > > that:
> > > > a) i notice more unhappy people than unhappy plants- why cant dallas
> > > > provide all humans a minimum annual income-
> > > > as they do to plants who are watered and clipped and planted by the
> > > > city for free.
> > > > b) i dont know how to know whether a plant is 'happy' and my son
> > > > xavier said i was projecting
> > > > on plants things that are desirable to humans ( eg happiness) instead
> > > > of asking plants what THEY desire
> > > >
> > > > If anyone would like to help us organise this discussion contact nina
> > > and I
> > > > via rmalina@ alum.mit.edu and czegledyn@gmail.com
>
>
> --
>
> Assimina Kaniari, D.Phil Oxford, M.Phil Cambridge.
>
> Assistant Professor, Art History, Athens School of Fine Arts.
>
> https://www.leonardo.info/led/4685
>
> http://www.asfa.gr/assimina-kaniari
>
> Publications
>
> Acts of Seeing Artists, Scientists and the History of the Visual : A Volume Dedicated to Martin Kemp
>
> Assimina Kaniari, Marina Wallace, Martin Kemp
>
> Institutional Critique to Hospitality: Bio Art Practice Now. A critical anthology
>
> Assimina Kaniari (editor)
>
> Grigori Publications
>
> 2017
>
> http://suzanneanker.com/wp-content/uploads/02.pdf
>
> https://www.leonardo.info/review/2017/09/review-of-institutional-critique-to-hospitality-and-open-science-singularity-and
>
> Review of Susan Merril Squier's Epigenetic Landscapes: Drawings as Metaphor, Leonardo.
>
> https://www.leonardo.info/review/2020/08/epigenetic-landscapes-drawings-as-metaphor
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To: Assimina Kaniari <assimina.kaniari@gmail.com>,
yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr, Jonathon Keats <jonathonkeats@gmail.com>,
Joel Slayton <joel@well.com>, Vania Negrete <he.lios@hotmail.com>
Cc: Nina Czegledy <czegledyn@gmail.com>
Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] asamina kaniari challenges yasminers to
think about living architectures
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asamina and yasminers
asamina thanks about your incitation of using 'living architecture'
methods- yasminers her email is included
and find out how to complete a tax return concerned with underground
biological activity though a new as a living biological space in
democratic deficit.
we hope you are 'polling' the plants in your neighborhood as a first step to
helping them to vote in your next city election-- recently i have been
visiting 'decorative' plants and gardens in dallas
manicured lawns and plants with every leaf designed by humans. Are
urban gardens a help or a hindrance to
making the plant world happier ? or both.
i note that the nation state is an irrelevant 'scale' for intervention
on climate change ( see the ideas of ramon guardans
and nina czegledy)- we need global scales and neighborhood scales-
satellites give us a sense of global climate
change and by looking in your neighborhood you get a sense of local
changes( eg increased flooding in many
neighborhoods)- hence jonathon keats provocation to poll your local plants
after we finish the plant polling over the next few weeks Jonathon
Keats will lead the next steps in our
yasmin discussions- but for now yasminers are invited to observe and
notice whether their local plants
are feeling well or not and report back. Once we have the plant
opinion polls we can step forward.
Roger Malina
On Sat, May 29, 2021 at 5:19 AM Assimina Kaniari
<assimina.kaniari@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Roger and Nina and Jonathan,
>
> I wonder if it would be useful to the plants thought experiment to think in terms of analogies between (city/urban/civic) plants (planted) and residents 'settled', by way of housing as a metaphor (through architecture). Building 'houses' which grow in a vertical manner (just as city growth in modern cities) resembles the way plants grow (vertically-yet without following rules of perspective, as Hockney has written about trees).
> I always found interesting Kader Attia's discussion of modernism and mass architecture housing in France (and his work revisiting Le Corbusier's ideal city as couscous at Tate).
>
> Suzanne Anker has discussed how plants sense and feel (by drawing on M. Marder's Plant thinking: a philosophy of vegetal life in her discussion of her work Astroculture looking at links between speculative and real and historical conditions of plant growth (a terrarium as a space experiment in 0 gravity as a cabinet of curiosity) to think about plants, science and culture from the perspective of plants and ?how above ground and underground environments appear to plants'..
> http://suzanneanker.com/wp-content/uploads/02.pdf
> https://www.leonardo.info/review/2017/09/review-of-institutional-critique-to-hospitality-and-open-science-singularity-and
>
> This way of thinking about plants the living physicality of plants, their 'architecture' and survival patterns is indeed a thought metaphor for a rethinking of a 'living' architecture (not only in terms of the people that it hosts, like a biblical arc) but perhaps more in the sense of an expanded field (taking on board plant vision and growth as a living and real metaphor) just as Rosalind Krauss talked about the blurring of boundaries in the art object and 'sculpture' against the 'expanded field' also through photography in dialogue with architecture many years back looking at static and dry structures (is the work what we encounter on the surface or what is also underneath?). How can we account for the messiness and fluidity of water (waste) but if it is also something that we produce perhaps we should also have a payback from the profits of its management -as a tax return concerned with underground biological activity though a new as a living biological space in democratic deficit.
>
> Plants have roots which extend deep down in the soil (often fed and watered by sewers) but are encountered (from an anthropocentric view) at street level (as part of the city topography, as perspectival additions) as elements of the horizon.
> Their growth by taking on board an expanded field leads also to a different thinking about more inclusive ways of participation in the profits of the new economy of waste as a plant-building-civic thought experiment. A
>
> > > > I am currently 'polling" plants in dallas and so far have discovered
> > > that:
> > > > a) i notice more unhappy people than unhappy plants- why cant dallas
> > > > provide all humans a minimum annual income-
> > > > as they do to plants who are watered and clipped and planted by the
> > > > city for free.
> > > > b) i dont know how to know whether a plant is 'happy' and my son
> > > > xavier said i was projecting
> > > > on plants things that are desirable to humans ( eg happiness) instead
> > > > of asking plants what THEY desire
> > > >
> > > > If anyone would like to help us organise this discussion contact nina
> > > and I
> > > > via rmalina@ alum.mit.edu and czegledyn@gmail.com
>
>
> --
>
> Assimina Kaniari, D.Phil Oxford, M.Phil Cambridge.
>
> Assistant Professor, Art History, Athens School of Fine Arts.
>
> https://www.leonardo.info/led/4685
>
> http://www.asfa.gr/assimina-kaniari
>
> Publications
>
> Acts of Seeing Artists, Scientists and the History of the Visual : A Volume Dedicated to Martin Kemp
>
> Assimina Kaniari, Marina Wallace, Martin Kemp
>
> Institutional Critique to Hospitality: Bio Art Practice Now. A critical anthology
>
> Assimina Kaniari (editor)
>
> Grigori Publications
>
> 2017
>
> http://suzanneanker.com/wp-content/uploads/02.pdf
>
> https://www.leonardo.info/review/2017/09/review-of-institutional-critique-to-hospitality-and-open-science-singularity-and
>
> Review of Susan Merril Squier's Epigenetic Landscapes: Drawings as Metaphor, Leonardo.
>
> https://www.leonardo.info/review/2020/08/epigenetic-landscapes-drawings-as-metaphor
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Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 12:29:36 -0300
From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr
Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Yasmin_discussions Digest, Vol 40,
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Dear Yasminers,
Happy to read the description of such a great topic.
The idea is not absurd at all -- through us, the shared microbiome is
already voting.... >>>> ( from the description sent ---
"We are working him as part of initiatives to mitigate climate change,
> the absurd idea of giving plants the right to vote- the first step is a
citizen science project where YOU can
> poll the plants around you and 'represent' them
> in this yasmin discussion)
Best,
Clarissa
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> Dear Roger,
>
> This sounds certainly an amazing topic.
> It can totally become Nomadic for sure.
>
> The last laser in Bellinzona was presented in the parc of a museum and
> under a big tree. The trees come from around the world and we evoked the
> idea of nomad trees.
>
> All the best
> Luca
>
>
> On Tue, 25 May 2021 at 11:01, <yasmin_discussions-request@ntlab.gr> wrote:
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 12:51:34 -0500
> > From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
> > To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr, Jonathon Keats
> > <jonathonkeats@gmail.com>, Czegledy <czegledy@interlog.com>
> > Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] proposed yasmin discussions; should we ,
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> > yasminers
> >
> > nina czegledy and fomenting a yasmin discussion with jonathon keats
> > Jonathon Keats is a conceptual artist and experimental philosopher[1]
> > known for creating large-scale thought experiments. Keats was born in
> > New York City and studied philosophy at Amherst College.[2] He now
> > lives in San Francisco and Italy.[3]
> > \
> > his latest provocation is part of his THE FUTURE DEMOCRACIES
> > LABORATORY: AUTOMATED GOVERNMENT PROTOTYPING SYSTEM
> > https://projects.cadre.sjsu.edu/democracyproject/index.html
> > The Future Democracies Laboratory is a research space dedicated to the
> > investigation of methodologies and technologies for collective
> > decision-making. Directed by experimental philosopher Jonathon Keats,
> > in collaboration with San Jos? State University students and CADRE
> > faculty Rhonda Holberton and Steve Durie, the transdisciplinary
> > laboratory hosts an open-source software platform for rapidly modeling
> > and testing democratic systems.
> >
> > We are working him as part of initiatives to mitigate climate change,
> > the absurd idea of giving plants the right
> > to vote- the first step is a citizen science project where YOU can
> > poll the plants around you and 'represent' them
> > in this yasmin discussion
> >
> > I am currently 'polling" plants in dallas and so far have discovered
> that:
> > a) i notice more unhappy people than unhappy plants- why cant dallas
> > provide all humans a minimum annual income-
> > as they do to plants who are watered and clipped and planted by the
> > city for free.
> > b) i dont know how to know whether a plant is 'happy' and my son
> > xavier said i was projecting
> > on plants things that are desirable to humans ( eg happiness) instead
> > of asking plants what THEY desire
> >
> > If anyone would like to help us organise this discussion contact nina
> and I
> > via rmalina@ alum.mit.edu and czegledyn@gmail.com
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 13:07:01 -0500
> > From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
> > To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr, Jonathon Keats
> > <jonathonkeats@gmail.com>, Czegledy <czegledy@interlog.com>,
> > roger
> > malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu>
> > Cc: Abdessamad EL MONTASSIR <elmontassir.abdessamad@gmail.com>, Elen
> > Nas <313nnas@gmail.com>, Guillermo Mu?oz <
> m.m.guillermo@gmail.com
> > >,
> > Dimitris Charitos <vedesign@otenet.gr>, Jo?o Silveira
> > <joaoarteciencia@gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] proposed yasmin discussions; should
> > we , could we give plants the right to vote
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> > elen abdessamad
> > thanks for agreeing to participate on the yasmin discussion
> > let by jonathon keats, details below
> > subscribe to the discussion list using the info at the end
> > perhaps you could send the list a paragraph about yourself
> > and the foci of your research
> >
> > luca guillermo- i wonder if we could make this discussion 'nomadic "?
> >
> > roger malina
> >
> > to join yasmin discussion go to:
> > https://ntlab.gr/mailman/roster/yasmin_discussions_ntlab.gr
> > https://ntlab.gr/mailman/roster/yasmin_discussions_ntlab.gr
> >
> >
> > roger
> >
> > Roger in Dallas, please phone/txt/ +15108532007 if urgent
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 12:51 PM roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > yasminers
> > >
> > > nina czegledy and fomenting a yasmin discussion with jonathon keats
> > > Jonathon Keats is a conceptual artist and experimental philosopher[1]
> > > known for creating large-scale thought experiments. Keats was born in
> > > New York City and studied philosophy at Amherst College.[2] He now
> > > lives in San Francisco and Italy.[3]
> > > \
> > > his latest provocation is part of his THE FUTURE DEMOCRACIES
> > > LABORATORY: AUTOMATED GOVERNMENT PROTOTYPING SYSTEM
> > > https://projects.cadre.sjsu.edu/democracyproject/index.html
> > > The Future Democracies Laboratory is a research space dedicated to the
> > > investigation of methodologies and technologies for collective
> > > decision-making. Directed by experimental philosopher Jonathon Keats,
> > > in collaboration with San Jos? State University students and CADRE
> > > faculty Rhonda Holberton and Steve Durie, the transdisciplinary
> > > laboratory hosts an open-source software platform for rapidly modeling
> > > and testing democratic systems.
> > >
> > > We are working him as part of initiatives to mitigate climate change,
> > > the absurd idea of giving plants the right
> > > to vote- the first step is a citizen science project where YOU can
> > > poll the plants around you and 'represent' them
> > > in this yasmin discussion
> > >
> > > I am currently 'polling" plants in dallas and so far have discovered
> > that:
> > > a) i notice more unhappy people than unhappy plants- why cant dallas
> > > provide all humans a minimum annual income-
> > > as they do to plants who are watered and clipped and planted by the
> > > city for free.
> > > b) i dont know how to know whether a plant is 'happy' and my son
> > > xavier said i was projecting
> > > on plants things that are desirable to humans ( eg happiness) instead
> > > of asking plants what THEY desire
> > >
> > > If anyone would like to help us organise this discussion contact nina
> > and I
> > > via rmalina@ alum.mit.edu and czegledyn@gmail.com
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 12:16:43 +0200
From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr
Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] PLANT COMMUNICATION - Antonio Irre - Re:
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Hello everybody,
it sounds like a very interesting project, Roger and Nina please let me
know how I can help in this!
Talking to plants is my current artistic approach, I made an
installation/relational device which allows to ask questions to plants ("If you
could talk to me, what would you like to ask me?", 2016) and now in an
ongoing project called PLart, with SLU university in Uppsala (also yasminer
Pier Luigi Capucci is involved) More info:
https://antonioirre.com/plart-project/
<https://antonioirre.com/plart-project/>
Interspecies communication is technically possible, but the question that
Roger's son did got the point: "reasoning" schemes and intelligence could
be very different. Anyway, since we are all bunches of cells trying to
survive, I think there are some soft, delicate spots of possible connection,
Greetings
A.
--
*Antonio Irre Catalano | artist, researcher, cultural designer*
*T.* (+39) 349.4262775 - *W. *https://antonioirre.com
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> Dear Roger,
>
> This sounds certainly an amazing topic.
> It can totally become Nomadic for sure.
>
> The last laser in Bellinzona was presented in the parc of a museum and
> under a big tree. The trees come from around the world and we evoked the
> idea of nomad trees.
>
> All the best
> Luca
>
>
> On Tue, 25 May 2021 at 11:01, <yasmin_discussions-request@ntlab.gr> wrote:
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 12:51:34 -0500
> > From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
> > To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr, Jonathon Keats
> > <jonathonkeats@gmail.com>, Czegledy <czegledy@interlog.com>
> > Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] proposed yasmin discussions; should we ,
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> > yasminers
> >
> > nina czegledy and fomenting a yasmin discussion with jonathon keats
> > Jonathon Keats is a conceptual artist and experimental philosopher[1]
> > known for creating large-scale thought experiments. Keats was born in
> > New York City and studied philosophy at Amherst College.[2] He now
> > lives in San Francisco and Italy.[3]
> > \
> > his latest provocation is part of his THE FUTURE DEMOCRACIES
> > LABORATORY: AUTOMATED GOVERNMENT PROTOTYPING SYSTEM
> > https://projects.cadre.sjsu.edu/democracyproject/index.html
> > The Future Democracies Laboratory is a research space dedicated to the
> > investigation of methodologies and technologies for collective
> > decision-making. Directed by experimental philosopher Jonathon Keats,
> > in collaboration with San Jos? State University students and CADRE
> > faculty Rhonda Holberton and Steve Durie, the transdisciplinary
> > laboratory hosts an open-source software platform for rapidly modeling
> > and testing democratic systems.
> >
> > We are working him as part of initiatives to mitigate climate change,
> > the absurd idea of giving plants the right
> > to vote- the first step is a citizen science project where YOU can
> > poll the plants around you and 'represent' them
> > in this yasmin discussion
> >
> > I am currently 'polling" plants in dallas and so far have discovered
> that:
> > a) i notice more unhappy people than unhappy plants- why cant dallas
> > provide all humans a minimum annual income-
> > as they do to plants who are watered and clipped and planted by the
> > city for free.
> > b) i dont know how to know whether a plant is 'happy' and my son
> > xavier said i was projecting
> > on plants things that are desirable to humans ( eg happiness) instead
> > of asking plants what THEY desire
> >
> > If anyone would like to help us organise this discussion contact nina
> and I
> > via rmalina@ alum.mit.edu and czegledyn@gmail.com
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 13:07:01 -0500
> > From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
> > To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr, Jonathon Keats
> > <jonathonkeats@gmail.com>, Czegledy <czegledy@interlog.com>,
> > roger
> > malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu>
> > Cc: Abdessamad EL MONTASSIR <elmontassir.abdessamad@gmail.com>, Elen
> > Nas <313nnas@gmail.com>, Guillermo Mu?oz <
> m.m.guillermo@gmail.com
> > >,
> > Dimitris Charitos <vedesign@otenet.gr>, Jo?o Silveira
> > <joaoarteciencia@gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] proposed yasmin discussions; should
> > we , could we give plants the right to vote
> > Message-ID:
> > <mailman.2.1621886940.12969.yasmin_discussions_ntlab.gr@ntlab.gr
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > elen abdessamad
> > thanks for agreeing to participate on the yasmin discussion
> > let by jonathon keats, details below
> > subscribe to the discussion list using the info at the end
> > perhaps you could send the list a paragraph about yourself
> > and the foci of your research
> >
> > luca guillermo- i wonder if we could make this discussion 'nomadic "?
> >
> > roger malina
> >
> > to join yasmin discussion go to:
> > https://ntlab.gr/mailman/roster/yasmin_discussions_ntlab.gr
> > https://ntlab.gr/mailman/roster/yasmin_discussions_ntlab.gr
> >
> >
> > roger
> >
> > Roger in Dallas, please phone/txt/ +15108532007 if urgent
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 12:51 PM roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > yasminers
> > >
> > > nina czegledy and fomenting a yasmin discussion with jonathon keats
> > > Jonathon Keats is a conceptual artist and experimental philosopher[1]
> > > known for creating large-scale thought experiments. Keats was born in
> > > New York City and studied philosophy at Amherst College.[2] He now
> > > lives in San Francisco and Italy.[3]
> > > \
> > > his latest provocation is part of his THE FUTURE DEMOCRACIES
> > > LABORATORY: AUTOMATED GOVERNMENT PROTOTYPING SYSTEM
> > > https://projects.cadre.sjsu.edu/democracyproject/index.html
> > > The Future Democracies Laboratory is a research space dedicated to the
> > > investigation of methodologies and technologies for collective
> > > decision-making. Directed by experimental philosopher Jonathon Keats,
> > > in collaboration with San Jos? State University students and CADRE
> > > faculty Rhonda Holberton and Steve Durie, the transdisciplinary
> > > laboratory hosts an open-source software platform for rapidly modeling
> > > and testing democratic systems.
> > >
> > > We are working him as part of initiatives to mitigate climate change,
> > > the absurd idea of giving plants the right
> > > to vote- the first step is a citizen science project where YOU can
> > > poll the plants around you and 'represent' them
> > > in this yasmin discussion
> > >
> > > I am currently 'polling" plants in dallas and so far have discovered
> > that:
> > > a) i notice more unhappy people than unhappy plants- why cant dallas
> > > provide all humans a minimum annual income-
> > > as they do to plants who are watered and clipped and planted by the
> > > city for free.
> > > b) i dont know how to know whether a plant is 'happy' and my son
> > > xavier said i was projecting
> > > on plants things that are desirable to humans ( eg happiness) instead
> > > of asking plants what THEY desire
> > >
> > > If anyone would like to help us organise this discussion contact nina
> > and I
> > > via rmalina@ alum.mit.edu and czegledyn@gmail.com
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
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> > ------------------------------
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> > *************************************************
> >
> --
>
> *Luca Forcucci <https://linktr.ee/lucaforcucci>*
>
> *New Podcast*
> Matt Black / Coldcut-Ninja Tunes <http://www.ubqtlab.org>
>
> *Next Events*
> 17.5.2021 Universitat Polytecnica de Valencia / Spain (Lecture + Concert)
> 18.5.2021 Universitat Polytecnica de Valencia / Spain (Art & Science Talk)
> <https://www.leonardo.info/civicrm/event/info?reset=1&id=640>
>
> <https://ubqtlab.org/>
> *New Albums*
> De Rerum Natura
> <https://lucaforcucci.bandcamp.com/album/de-rerum-natura>
> Released by LFO Editions
> <https://lucaforcucci.bandcamp.com/album/de-rerum-natura>
>
> *New Paper*
> Deep Listening to the Amazon Rainforest through Sonic Architectures
> <https://www.mitpressjournals.org/doi/abs/10.1162/lmj_a_01090?mobileUi=0>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <https://thewrong.org/voices-in-the-ether>
> <http://verylarge.works/>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Subject: Digest Footer
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>
> End of Yasmin_discussions Digest, Vol 40, Issue 3
> *************************************************
>
--
*Antonio Irre | artist, researcher, cultural designer*
*T.* (+39) 349.4262775 - *W. *https://antonioirre.wordpress.com
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Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 12:29:36 -0300
From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr
Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Yasmin_discussions Digest, Vol 40,
Issue 3
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Dear Yasminers,
Happy to read the description of such a great topic.
The idea is not absurd at all -- through us, the shared microbiome is
already voting.... >>>> ( from the description sent ---
"We are working him as part of initiatives to mitigate climate change,
> the absurd idea of giving plants the right to vote- the first step is a
citizen science project where YOU can
> poll the plants around you and 'represent' them
> in this yasmin discussion)
Best,
Clarissa
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> Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 07:54:37 +0200
> From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
> To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr
> Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Yasmin_discussions Digest, Vol 40,
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>
> Dear Roger,
>
> This sounds certainly an amazing topic.
> It can totally become Nomadic for sure.
>
> The last laser in Bellinzona was presented in the parc of a museum and
> under a big tree. The trees come from around the world and we evoked the
> idea of nomad trees.
>
> All the best
> Luca
>
>
> On Tue, 25 May 2021 at 11:01, <yasmin_discussions-request@ntlab.gr> wrote:
>
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> > 1. proposed yasmin discussions; should we , could we give plants
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> > plants the right to vote (YASMIN DISCUSSIONS)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 12:51:34 -0500
> > From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
> > To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr, Jonathon Keats
> > <jonathonkeats@gmail.com>, Czegledy <czegledy@interlog.com>
> > Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] proposed yasmin discussions; should we ,
> > could we give plants the right to vote
> > Message-ID:
> > <mailman.1.1621879166.12969.yasmin_discussions_ntlab.gr@ntlab.gr
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > yasminers
> >
> > nina czegledy and fomenting a yasmin discussion with jonathon keats
> > Jonathon Keats is a conceptual artist and experimental philosopher[1]
> > known for creating large-scale thought experiments. Keats was born in
> > New York City and studied philosophy at Amherst College.[2] He now
> > lives in San Francisco and Italy.[3]
> > \
> > his latest provocation is part of his THE FUTURE DEMOCRACIES
> > LABORATORY: AUTOMATED GOVERNMENT PROTOTYPING SYSTEM
> > https://projects.cadre.sjsu.edu/democracyproject/index.html
> > The Future Democracies Laboratory is a research space dedicated to the
> > investigation of methodologies and technologies for collective
> > decision-making. Directed by experimental philosopher Jonathon Keats,
> > in collaboration with San Jos? State University students and CADRE
> > faculty Rhonda Holberton and Steve Durie, the transdisciplinary
> > laboratory hosts an open-source software platform for rapidly modeling
> > and testing democratic systems.
> >
> > We are working him as part of initiatives to mitigate climate change,
> > the absurd idea of giving plants the right
> > to vote- the first step is a citizen science project where YOU can
> > poll the plants around you and 'represent' them
> > in this yasmin discussion
> >
> > I am currently 'polling" plants in dallas and so far have discovered
> that:
> > a) i notice more unhappy people than unhappy plants- why cant dallas
> > provide all humans a minimum annual income-
> > as they do to plants who are watered and clipped and planted by the
> > city for free.
> > b) i dont know how to know whether a plant is 'happy' and my son
> > xavier said i was projecting
> > on plants things that are desirable to humans ( eg happiness) instead
> > of asking plants what THEY desire
> >
> > If anyone would like to help us organise this discussion contact nina
> and I
> > via rmalina@ alum.mit.edu and czegledyn@gmail.com
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 13:07:01 -0500
> > From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
> > To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr, Jonathon Keats
> > <jonathonkeats@gmail.com>, Czegledy <czegledy@interlog.com>,
> > roger
> > malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu>
> > Cc: Abdessamad EL MONTASSIR <elmontassir.abdessamad@gmail.com>, Elen
> > Nas <313nnas@gmail.com>, Guillermo Mu?oz <
> m.m.guillermo@gmail.com
> > >,
> > Dimitris Charitos <vedesign@otenet.gr>, Jo?o Silveira
> > <joaoarteciencia@gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] proposed yasmin discussions; should
> > we , could we give plants the right to vote
> > Message-ID:
> > <mailman.2.1621886940.12969.yasmin_discussions_ntlab.gr@ntlab.gr
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > elen abdessamad
> > thanks for agreeing to participate on the yasmin discussion
> > let by jonathon keats, details below
> > subscribe to the discussion list using the info at the end
> > perhaps you could send the list a paragraph about yourself
> > and the foci of your research
> >
> > luca guillermo- i wonder if we could make this discussion 'nomadic "?
> >
> > roger malina
> >
> > to join yasmin discussion go to:
> > https://ntlab.gr/mailman/roster/yasmin_discussions_ntlab.gr
> > https://ntlab.gr/mailman/roster/yasmin_discussions_ntlab.gr
> >
> >
> > roger
> >
> > Roger in Dallas, please phone/txt/ +15108532007 if urgent
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 12:51 PM roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > yasminers
> > >
> > > nina czegledy and fomenting a yasmin discussion with jonathon keats
> > > Jonathon Keats is a conceptual artist and experimental philosopher[1]
> > > known for creating large-scale thought experiments. Keats was born in
> > > New York City and studied philosophy at Amherst College.[2] He now
> > > lives in San Francisco and Italy.[3]
> > > \
> > > his latest provocation is part of his THE FUTURE DEMOCRACIES
> > > LABORATORY: AUTOMATED GOVERNMENT PROTOTYPING SYSTEM
> > > https://projects.cadre.sjsu.edu/democracyproject/index.html
> > > The Future Democracies Laboratory is a research space dedicated to the
> > > investigation of methodologies and technologies for collective
> > > decision-making. Directed by experimental philosopher Jonathon Keats,
> > > in collaboration with San Jos? State University students and CADRE
> > > faculty Rhonda Holberton and Steve Durie, the transdisciplinary
> > > laboratory hosts an open-source software platform for rapidly modeling
> > > and testing democratic systems.
> > >
> > > We are working him as part of initiatives to mitigate climate change,
> > > the absurd idea of giving plants the right
> > > to vote- the first step is a citizen science project where YOU can
> > > poll the plants around you and 'represent' them
> > > in this yasmin discussion
> > >
> > > I am currently 'polling" plants in dallas and so far have discovered
> > that:
> > > a) i notice more unhappy people than unhappy plants- why cant dallas
> > > provide all humans a minimum annual income-
> > > as they do to plants who are watered and clipped and planted by the
> > > city for free.
> > > b) i dont know how to know whether a plant is 'happy' and my son
> > > xavier said i was projecting
> > > on plants things that are desirable to humans ( eg happiness) instead
> > > of asking plants what THEY desire
> > >
> > > If anyone would like to help us organise this discussion contact nina
> > and I
> > > via rmalina@ alum.mit.edu and czegledyn@gmail.com
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Subject: Digest Footer
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr
> > http://ntlab.gr/mailman/listinfo/yasmin_discussions_ntlab.gr
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
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> > *************************************************
> >
> --
>
> *Luca Forcucci <https://linktr.ee/lucaforcucci>*
>
> *New Podcast*
> Matt Black / Coldcut-Ninja Tunes <http://www.ubqtlab.org>
>
> *Next Events*
> 17.5.2021 Universitat Polytecnica de Valencia / Spain (Lecture + Concert)
> 18.5.2021 Universitat Polytecnica de Valencia / Spain (Art & Science Talk)
> <https://www.leonardo.info/civicrm/event/info?reset=1&id=640>
>
> <https://ubqtlab.org/>
> *New Albums*
> De Rerum Natura
> <https://lucaforcucci.bandcamp.com/album/de-rerum-natura>
> Released by LFO Editions
> <https://lucaforcucci.bandcamp.com/album/de-rerum-natura>
>
> *New Paper*
> Deep Listening to the Amazon Rainforest through Sonic Architectures
> <https://www.mitpressjournals.org/doi/abs/10.1162/lmj_a_01090?mobileUi=0>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <https://thewrong.org/voices-in-the-ether>
> <http://verylarge.works/>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 12:16:43 +0200
From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr
Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] PLANT COMMUNICATION - Antonio Irre - Re:
Yasmin_discussions Digest, Vol 40, Issue 3
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Hello everybody,
it sounds like a very interesting project, Roger and Nina please let me
know how I can help in this!
Talking to plants is my current artistic approach, I made an
installation/relational device which allows to ask questions to plants ("If you
could talk to me, what would you like to ask me?", 2016) and now in an
ongoing project called PLart, with SLU university in Uppsala (also yasminer
Pier Luigi Capucci is involved) More info:
https://antonioirre.com/plart-project/
<https://antonioirre.com/plart-project/>
Interspecies communication is technically possible, but the question that
Roger's son did got the point: "reasoning" schemes and intelligence could
be very different. Anyway, since we are all bunches of cells trying to
survive, I think there are some soft, delicate spots of possible connection,
Greetings
A.
--
*Antonio Irre Catalano | artist, researcher, cultural designer*
*T.* (+39) 349.4262775 - *W. *https://antonioirre.com
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> Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 07:54:37 +0200
> From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
> To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr
> Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Yasmin_discussions Digest, Vol 40,
> Issue 1
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Dear Roger,
>
> This sounds certainly an amazing topic.
> It can totally become Nomadic for sure.
>
> The last laser in Bellinzona was presented in the parc of a museum and
> under a big tree. The trees come from around the world and we evoked the
> idea of nomad trees.
>
> All the best
> Luca
>
>
> On Tue, 25 May 2021 at 11:01, <yasmin_discussions-request@ntlab.gr> wrote:
>
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> >
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> >
> > 1. proposed yasmin discussions; should we , could we give plants
> > the right to vote (YASMIN DISCUSSIONS)
> > 2. Re: proposed yasmin discussions; should we , could we give
> > plants the right to vote (YASMIN DISCUSSIONS)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 12:51:34 -0500
> > From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
> > To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr, Jonathon Keats
> > <jonathonkeats@gmail.com>, Czegledy <czegledy@interlog.com>
> > Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] proposed yasmin discussions; should we ,
> > could we give plants the right to vote
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> > <mailman.1.1621879166.12969.yasmin_discussions_ntlab.gr@ntlab.gr
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > yasminers
> >
> > nina czegledy and fomenting a yasmin discussion with jonathon keats
> > Jonathon Keats is a conceptual artist and experimental philosopher[1]
> > known for creating large-scale thought experiments. Keats was born in
> > New York City and studied philosophy at Amherst College.[2] He now
> > lives in San Francisco and Italy.[3]
> > \
> > his latest provocation is part of his THE FUTURE DEMOCRACIES
> > LABORATORY: AUTOMATED GOVERNMENT PROTOTYPING SYSTEM
> > https://projects.cadre.sjsu.edu/democracyproject/index.html
> > The Future Democracies Laboratory is a research space dedicated to the
> > investigation of methodologies and technologies for collective
> > decision-making. Directed by experimental philosopher Jonathon Keats,
> > in collaboration with San Jos? State University students and CADRE
> > faculty Rhonda Holberton and Steve Durie, the transdisciplinary
> > laboratory hosts an open-source software platform for rapidly modeling
> > and testing democratic systems.
> >
> > We are working him as part of initiatives to mitigate climate change,
> > the absurd idea of giving plants the right
> > to vote- the first step is a citizen science project where YOU can
> > poll the plants around you and 'represent' them
> > in this yasmin discussion
> >
> > I am currently 'polling" plants in dallas and so far have discovered
> that:
> > a) i notice more unhappy people than unhappy plants- why cant dallas
> > provide all humans a minimum annual income-
> > as they do to plants who are watered and clipped and planted by the
> > city for free.
> > b) i dont know how to know whether a plant is 'happy' and my son
> > xavier said i was projecting
> > on plants things that are desirable to humans ( eg happiness) instead
> > of asking plants what THEY desire
> >
> > If anyone would like to help us organise this discussion contact nina
> and I
> > via rmalina@ alum.mit.edu and czegledyn@gmail.com
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 13:07:01 -0500
> > From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
> > To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr, Jonathon Keats
> > <jonathonkeats@gmail.com>, Czegledy <czegledy@interlog.com>,
> > roger
> > malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu>
> > Cc: Abdessamad EL MONTASSIR <elmontassir.abdessamad@gmail.com>, Elen
> > Nas <313nnas@gmail.com>, Guillermo Mu?oz <
> m.m.guillermo@gmail.com
> > >,
> > Dimitris Charitos <vedesign@otenet.gr>, Jo?o Silveira
> > <joaoarteciencia@gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] proposed yasmin discussions; should
> > we , could we give plants the right to vote
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> > elen abdessamad
> > thanks for agreeing to participate on the yasmin discussion
> > let by jonathon keats, details below
> > subscribe to the discussion list using the info at the end
> > perhaps you could send the list a paragraph about yourself
> > and the foci of your research
> >
> > luca guillermo- i wonder if we could make this discussion 'nomadic "?
> >
> > roger malina
> >
> > to join yasmin discussion go to:
> > https://ntlab.gr/mailman/roster/yasmin_discussions_ntlab.gr
> > https://ntlab.gr/mailman/roster/yasmin_discussions_ntlab.gr
> >
> >
> > roger
> >
> > Roger in Dallas, please phone/txt/ +15108532007 if urgent
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 12:51 PM roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > yasminers
> > >
> > > nina czegledy and fomenting a yasmin discussion with jonathon keats
> > > Jonathon Keats is a conceptual artist and experimental philosopher[1]
> > > known for creating large-scale thought experiments. Keats was born in
> > > New York City and studied philosophy at Amherst College.[2] He now
> > > lives in San Francisco and Italy.[3]
> > > \
> > > his latest provocation is part of his THE FUTURE DEMOCRACIES
> > > LABORATORY: AUTOMATED GOVERNMENT PROTOTYPING SYSTEM
> > > https://projects.cadre.sjsu.edu/democracyproject/index.html
> > > The Future Democracies Laboratory is a research space dedicated to the
> > > investigation of methodologies and technologies for collective
> > > decision-making. Directed by experimental philosopher Jonathon Keats,
> > > in collaboration with San Jos? State University students and CADRE
> > > faculty Rhonda Holberton and Steve Durie, the transdisciplinary
> > > laboratory hosts an open-source software platform for rapidly modeling
> > > and testing democratic systems.
> > >
> > > We are working him as part of initiatives to mitigate climate change,
> > > the absurd idea of giving plants the right
> > > to vote- the first step is a citizen science project where YOU can
> > > poll the plants around you and 'represent' them
> > > in this yasmin discussion
> > >
> > > I am currently 'polling" plants in dallas and so far have discovered
> > that:
> > > a) i notice more unhappy people than unhappy plants- why cant dallas
> > > provide all humans a minimum annual income-
> > > as they do to plants who are watered and clipped and planted by the
> > > city for free.
> > > b) i dont know how to know whether a plant is 'happy' and my son
> > > xavier said i was projecting
> > > on plants things that are desirable to humans ( eg happiness) instead
> > > of asking plants what THEY desire
> > >
> > > If anyone would like to help us organise this discussion contact nina
> > and I
> > > via rmalina@ alum.mit.edu and czegledyn@gmail.com
> >
> >
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> *Luca Forcucci <https://linktr.ee/lucaforcucci>*
>
> *New Podcast*
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>
> *Next Events*
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>
> <https://ubqtlab.org/>
> *New Albums*
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> Released by LFO Editions
> <https://lucaforcucci.bandcamp.com/album/de-rerum-natura>
>
> *New Paper*
> Deep Listening to the Amazon Rainforest through Sonic Architectures
> <https://www.mitpressjournals.org/doi/abs/10.1162/lmj_a_01090?mobileUi=0>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <https://thewrong.org/voices-in-the-ether>
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Dear Roger,
This sounds certainly an amazing topic.
It can totally become Nomadic for sure.
The last laser in Bellinzona was presented in the parc of a museum and
under a big tree. The trees come from around the world and we evoked the
idea of nomad trees.
All the best
Luca
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 12:51:34 -0500
> From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
> To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr, Jonathon Keats
> <jonathonkeats@gmail.com>, Czegledy <czegledy@interlog.com>
> Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] proposed yasmin discussions; should we ,
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> yasminers
>
> nina czegledy and fomenting a yasmin discussion with jonathon keats
> Jonathon Keats is a conceptual artist and experimental philosopher[1]
> known for creating large-scale thought experiments. Keats was born in
> New York City and studied philosophy at Amherst College.[2] He now
> lives in San Francisco and Italy.[3]
> \
> his latest provocation is part of his THE FUTURE DEMOCRACIES
> LABORATORY: AUTOMATED GOVERNMENT PROTOTYPING SYSTEM
> https://projects.cadre.sjsu.edu/democracyproject/index.html
> The Future Democracies Laboratory is a research space dedicated to the
> investigation of methodologies and technologies for collective
> decision-making. Directed by experimental philosopher Jonathon Keats,
> in collaboration with San Jos? State University students and CADRE
> faculty Rhonda Holberton and Steve Durie, the transdisciplinary
> laboratory hosts an open-source software platform for rapidly modeling
> and testing democratic systems.
>
> We are working him as part of initiatives to mitigate climate change,
> the absurd idea of giving plants the right
> to vote- the first step is a citizen science project where YOU can
> poll the plants around you and 'represent' them
> in this yasmin discussion
>
> I am currently 'polling" plants in dallas and so far have discovered that:
> a) i notice more unhappy people than unhappy plants- why cant dallas
> provide all humans a minimum annual income-
> as they do to plants who are watered and clipped and planted by the
> city for free.
> b) i dont know how to know whether a plant is 'happy' and my son
> xavier said i was projecting
> on plants things that are desirable to humans ( eg happiness) instead
> of asking plants what THEY desire
>
> If anyone would like to help us organise this discussion contact nina and I
> via rmalina@ alum.mit.edu and czegledyn@gmail.com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 13:07:01 -0500
> From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
> To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr, Jonathon Keats
> <jonathonkeats@gmail.com>, Czegledy <czegledy@interlog.com>,
> roger
> malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu>
> Cc: Abdessamad EL MONTASSIR <elmontassir.abdessamad@gmail.com>, Elen
> Nas <313nnas@gmail.com>, Guillermo Mu?oz <m.m.guillermo@gmail.com
> >,
> Dimitris Charitos <vedesign@otenet.gr>, Jo?o Silveira
> <joaoarteciencia@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] proposed yasmin discussions; should
> we , could we give plants the right to vote
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>
> elen abdessamad
> thanks for agreeing to participate on the yasmin discussion
> let by jonathon keats, details below
> subscribe to the discussion list using the info at the end
> perhaps you could send the list a paragraph about yourself
> and the foci of your research
>
> luca guillermo- i wonder if we could make this discussion 'nomadic "?
>
> roger malina
>
> to join yasmin discussion go to:
> https://ntlab.gr/mailman/roster/yasmin_discussions_ntlab.gr
> https://ntlab.gr/mailman/roster/yasmin_discussions_ntlab.gr
>
>
> roger
>
> Roger in Dallas, please phone/txt/ +15108532007 if urgent
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 12:51 PM roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu>
> wrote:
> >
> > yasminers
> >
> > nina czegledy and fomenting a yasmin discussion with jonathon keats
> > Jonathon Keats is a conceptual artist and experimental philosopher[1]
> > known for creating large-scale thought experiments. Keats was born in
> > New York City and studied philosophy at Amherst College.[2] He now
> > lives in San Francisco and Italy.[3]
> > \
> > his latest provocation is part of his THE FUTURE DEMOCRACIES
> > LABORATORY: AUTOMATED GOVERNMENT PROTOTYPING SYSTEM
> > https://projects.cadre.sjsu.edu/democracyproject/index.html
> > The Future Democracies Laboratory is a research space dedicated to the
> > investigation of methodologies and technologies for collective
> > decision-making. Directed by experimental philosopher Jonathon Keats,
> > in collaboration with San Jos? State University students and CADRE
> > faculty Rhonda Holberton and Steve Durie, the transdisciplinary
> > laboratory hosts an open-source software platform for rapidly modeling
> > and testing democratic systems.
> >
> > We are working him as part of initiatives to mitigate climate change,
> > the absurd idea of giving plants the right
> > to vote- the first step is a citizen science project where YOU can
> > poll the plants around you and 'represent' them
> > in this yasmin discussion
> >
> > I am currently 'polling" plants in dallas and so far have discovered
> that:
> > a) i notice more unhappy people than unhappy plants- why cant dallas
> > provide all humans a minimum annual income-
> > as they do to plants who are watered and clipped and planted by the
> > city for free.
> > b) i dont know how to know whether a plant is 'happy' and my son
> > xavier said i was projecting
> > on plants things that are desirable to humans ( eg happiness) instead
> > of asking plants what THEY desire
> >
> > If anyone would like to help us organise this discussion contact nina
> and I
> > via rmalina@ alum.mit.edu and czegledyn@gmail.com
>
>
>
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<https://lucaforcucci.bandcamp.com/album/de-rerum-natura>
Released by LFO Editions
<https://lucaforcucci.bandcamp.com/album/de-rerum-natura>
*New Paper*
Deep Listening to the Amazon Rainforest through Sonic Architectures
<https://www.mitpressjournals.org/doi/abs/10.1162/lmj_a_01090?mobileUi=0>
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Dear Roger,
This sounds certainly an amazing topic.
It can totally become Nomadic for sure.
The last laser in Bellinzona was presented in the parc of a museum and
under a big tree. The trees come from around the world and we evoked the
idea of nomad trees.
All the best
Luca
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>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 12:51:34 -0500
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> To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr, Jonathon Keats
> <jonathonkeats@gmail.com>, Czegledy <czegledy@interlog.com>
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> yasminers
>
> nina czegledy and fomenting a yasmin discussion with jonathon keats
> Jonathon Keats is a conceptual artist and experimental philosopher[1]
> known for creating large-scale thought experiments. Keats was born in
> New York City and studied philosophy at Amherst College.[2] He now
> lives in San Francisco and Italy.[3]
> \
> his latest provocation is part of his THE FUTURE DEMOCRACIES
> LABORATORY: AUTOMATED GOVERNMENT PROTOTYPING SYSTEM
> https://projects.cadre.sjsu.edu/democracyproject/index.html
> The Future Democracies Laboratory is a research space dedicated to the
> investigation of methodologies and technologies for collective
> decision-making. Directed by experimental philosopher Jonathon Keats,
> in collaboration with San Jos? State University students and CADRE
> faculty Rhonda Holberton and Steve Durie, the transdisciplinary
> laboratory hosts an open-source software platform for rapidly modeling
> and testing democratic systems.
>
> We are working him as part of initiatives to mitigate climate change,
> the absurd idea of giving plants the right
> to vote- the first step is a citizen science project where YOU can
> poll the plants around you and 'represent' them
> in this yasmin discussion
>
> I am currently 'polling" plants in dallas and so far have discovered that:
> a) i notice more unhappy people than unhappy plants- why cant dallas
> provide all humans a minimum annual income-
> as they do to plants who are watered and clipped and planted by the
> city for free.
> b) i dont know how to know whether a plant is 'happy' and my son
> xavier said i was projecting
> on plants things that are desirable to humans ( eg happiness) instead
> of asking plants what THEY desire
>
> If anyone would like to help us organise this discussion contact nina and I
> via rmalina@ alum.mit.edu and czegledyn@gmail.com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 13:07:01 -0500
> From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
> To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr, Jonathon Keats
> <jonathonkeats@gmail.com>, Czegledy <czegledy@interlog.com>,
> roger
> malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu>
> Cc: Abdessamad EL MONTASSIR <elmontassir.abdessamad@gmail.com>, Elen
> Nas <313nnas@gmail.com>, Guillermo Mu?oz <m.m.guillermo@gmail.com
> >,
> Dimitris Charitos <vedesign@otenet.gr>, Jo?o Silveira
> <joaoarteciencia@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] proposed yasmin discussions; should
> we , could we give plants the right to vote
> Message-ID:
> <mailman.2.1621886940.12969.yasmin_discussions_ntlab.gr@ntlab.gr>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> elen abdessamad
> thanks for agreeing to participate on the yasmin discussion
> let by jonathon keats, details below
> subscribe to the discussion list using the info at the end
> perhaps you could send the list a paragraph about yourself
> and the foci of your research
>
> luca guillermo- i wonder if we could make this discussion 'nomadic "?
>
> roger malina
>
> to join yasmin discussion go to:
> https://ntlab.gr/mailman/roster/yasmin_discussions_ntlab.gr
> https://ntlab.gr/mailman/roster/yasmin_discussions_ntlab.gr
>
>
> roger
>
> Roger in Dallas, please phone/txt/ +15108532007 if urgent
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 12:51 PM roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu>
> wrote:
> >
> > yasminers
> >
> > nina czegledy and fomenting a yasmin discussion with jonathon keats
> > Jonathon Keats is a conceptual artist and experimental philosopher[1]
> > known for creating large-scale thought experiments. Keats was born in
> > New York City and studied philosophy at Amherst College.[2] He now
> > lives in San Francisco and Italy.[3]
> > \
> > his latest provocation is part of his THE FUTURE DEMOCRACIES
> > LABORATORY: AUTOMATED GOVERNMENT PROTOTYPING SYSTEM
> > https://projects.cadre.sjsu.edu/democracyproject/index.html
> > The Future Democracies Laboratory is a research space dedicated to the
> > investigation of methodologies and technologies for collective
> > decision-making. Directed by experimental philosopher Jonathon Keats,
> > in collaboration with San Jos? State University students and CADRE
> > faculty Rhonda Holberton and Steve Durie, the transdisciplinary
> > laboratory hosts an open-source software platform for rapidly modeling
> > and testing democratic systems.
> >
> > We are working him as part of initiatives to mitigate climate change,
> > the absurd idea of giving plants the right
> > to vote- the first step is a citizen science project where YOU can
> > poll the plants around you and 'represent' them
> > in this yasmin discussion
> >
> > I am currently 'polling" plants in dallas and so far have discovered
> that:
> > a) i notice more unhappy people than unhappy plants- why cant dallas
> > provide all humans a minimum annual income-
> > as they do to plants who are watered and clipped and planted by the
> > city for free.
> > b) i dont know how to know whether a plant is 'happy' and my son
> > xavier said i was projecting
> > on plants things that are desirable to humans ( eg happiness) instead
> > of asking plants what THEY desire
> >
> > If anyone would like to help us organise this discussion contact nina
> and I
> > via rmalina@ alum.mit.edu and czegledyn@gmail.com
>
>
>
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*New Podcast*
Matt Black / Coldcut-Ninja Tunes <http://www.ubqtlab.org>
*Next Events*
17.5.2021 Universitat Polytecnica de Valencia / Spain (Lecture + Concert)
18.5.2021 Universitat Polytecnica de Valencia / Spain (Art & Science Talk)
<https://www.leonardo.info/civicrm/event/info?reset=1&id=640>
<https://ubqtlab.org/>
*New Albums*
De Rerum Natura
<https://lucaforcucci.bandcamp.com/album/de-rerum-natura>
Released by LFO Editions
<https://lucaforcucci.bandcamp.com/album/de-rerum-natura>
*New Paper*
Deep Listening to the Amazon Rainforest through Sonic Architectures
<https://www.mitpressjournals.org/doi/abs/10.1162/lmj_a_01090?mobileUi=0>
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Dear Yasminers,
I'm actually writing a new book and I'm searching for people who belong to
the social sciences, (psychology, anthropologies, social science,
ethnography, etc) and are doing any kind of art production. Is anyone here
working on that? or does anyone here know about some case who can share?
If anyone knows please write me to ignacio.nieto@ug.uchile.cl
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> Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 12:51:34 -0500
> From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
> To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr, Jonathon Keats
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> yasminers
>
> nina czegledy and fomenting a yasmin discussion with jonathon keats
> Jonathon Keats is a conceptual artist and experimental philosopher[1]
> known for creating large-scale thought experiments. Keats was born in
> New York City and studied philosophy at Amherst College.[2] He now
> lives in San Francisco and Italy.[3]
> \
> his latest provocation is part of his THE FUTURE DEMOCRACIES
> LABORATORY: AUTOMATED GOVERNMENT PROTOTYPING SYSTEM
> https://projects.cadre.sjsu.edu/democracyproject/index.html
> The Future Democracies Laboratory is a research space dedicated to the
> investigation of methodologies and technologies for collective
> decision-making. Directed by experimental philosopher Jonathon Keats,
> in collaboration with San Jos? State University students and CADRE
> faculty Rhonda Holberton and Steve Durie, the transdisciplinary
> laboratory hosts an open-source software platform for rapidly modeling
> and testing democratic systems.
>
> We are working him as part of initiatives to mitigate climate change,
> the absurd idea of giving plants the right
> to vote- the first step is a citizen science project where YOU can
> poll the plants around you and 'represent' them
> in this yasmin discussion
>
> I am currently 'polling" plants in dallas and so far have discovered that:
> a) i notice more unhappy people than unhappy plants- why cant dallas
> provide all humans a minimum annual income-
> as they do to plants who are watered and clipped and planted by the
> city for free.
> b) i dont know how to know whether a plant is 'happy' and my son
> xavier said i was projecting
> on plants things that are desirable to humans ( eg happiness) instead
> of asking plants what THEY desire
>
> If anyone would like to help us organise this discussion contact nina and I
> via rmalina@ alum.mit.edu and czegledyn@gmail.com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 13:07:01 -0500
> From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
> To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr, Jonathon Keats
> <jonathonkeats@gmail.com>, Czegledy <czegledy@interlog.com>,
> roger
> malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu>
> Cc: Abdessamad EL MONTASSIR <elmontassir.abdessamad@gmail.com>, Elen
> Nas <313nnas@gmail.com>, Guillermo Mu?oz <m.m.guillermo@gmail.com
> >,
> Dimitris Charitos <vedesign@otenet.gr>, Jo?o Silveira
> <joaoarteciencia@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] proposed yasmin discussions; should
> we , could we give plants the right to vote
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> elen abdessamad
> thanks for agreeing to participate on the yasmin discussion
> let by jonathon keats, details below
> subscribe to the discussion list using the info at the end
> perhaps you could send the list a paragraph about yourself
> and the foci of your research
>
> luca guillermo- i wonder if we could make this discussion 'nomadic "?
>
> roger malina
>
> to join yasmin discussion go to:
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> roger
>
> Roger in Dallas, please phone/txt/ +15108532007 if urgent
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 12:51 PM roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu>
> wrote:
> >
> > yasminers
> >
> > nina czegledy and fomenting a yasmin discussion with jonathon keats
> > Jonathon Keats is a conceptual artist and experimental philosopher[1]
> > known for creating large-scale thought experiments. Keats was born in
> > New York City and studied philosophy at Amherst College.[2] He now
> > lives in San Francisco and Italy.[3]
> > \
> > his latest provocation is part of his THE FUTURE DEMOCRACIES
> > LABORATORY: AUTOMATED GOVERNMENT PROTOTYPING SYSTEM
> > https://projects.cadre.sjsu.edu/democracyproject/index.html
> > The Future Democracies Laboratory is a research space dedicated to the
> > investigation of methodologies and technologies for collective
> > decision-making. Directed by experimental philosopher Jonathon Keats,
> > in collaboration with San Jos? State University students and CADRE
> > faculty Rhonda Holberton and Steve Durie, the transdisciplinary
> > laboratory hosts an open-source software platform for rapidly modeling
> > and testing democratic systems.
> >
> > We are working him as part of initiatives to mitigate climate change,
> > the absurd idea of giving plants the right
> > to vote- the first step is a citizen science project where YOU can
> > poll the plants around you and 'represent' them
> > in this yasmin discussion
> >
> > I am currently 'polling" plants in dallas and so far have discovered
> that:
> > a) i notice more unhappy people than unhappy plants- why cant dallas
> > provide all humans a minimum annual income-
> > as they do to plants who are watered and clipped and planted by the
> > city for free.
> > b) i dont know how to know whether a plant is 'happy' and my son
> > xavier said i was projecting
> > on plants things that are desirable to humans ( eg happiness) instead
> > of asking plants what THEY desire
> >
> > If anyone would like to help us organise this discussion contact nina
> and I
> > via rmalina@ alum.mit.edu and czegledyn@gmail.com
>
>
>
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Dear Yasminers,
I'm actually writing a new book and I'm searching for people who belong to
the social sciences, (psychology, anthropologies, social science,
ethnography, etc) and are doing any kind of art production. Is anyone here
working on that? or does anyone here know about some case who can share?
If anyone knows please write me to ignacio.nieto@ug.uchile.cl
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 12:51:34 -0500
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> To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr, Jonathon Keats
> <jonathonkeats@gmail.com>, Czegledy <czegledy@interlog.com>
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> yasminers
>
> nina czegledy and fomenting a yasmin discussion with jonathon keats
> Jonathon Keats is a conceptual artist and experimental philosopher[1]
> known for creating large-scale thought experiments. Keats was born in
> New York City and studied philosophy at Amherst College.[2] He now
> lives in San Francisco and Italy.[3]
> \
> his latest provocation is part of his THE FUTURE DEMOCRACIES
> LABORATORY: AUTOMATED GOVERNMENT PROTOTYPING SYSTEM
> https://projects.cadre.sjsu.edu/democracyproject/index.html
> The Future Democracies Laboratory is a research space dedicated to the
> investigation of methodologies and technologies for collective
> decision-making. Directed by experimental philosopher Jonathon Keats,
> in collaboration with San Jos? State University students and CADRE
> faculty Rhonda Holberton and Steve Durie, the transdisciplinary
> laboratory hosts an open-source software platform for rapidly modeling
> and testing democratic systems.
>
> We are working him as part of initiatives to mitigate climate change,
> the absurd idea of giving plants the right
> to vote- the first step is a citizen science project where YOU can
> poll the plants around you and 'represent' them
> in this yasmin discussion
>
> I am currently 'polling" plants in dallas and so far have discovered that:
> a) i notice more unhappy people than unhappy plants- why cant dallas
> provide all humans a minimum annual income-
> as they do to plants who are watered and clipped and planted by the
> city for free.
> b) i dont know how to know whether a plant is 'happy' and my son
> xavier said i was projecting
> on plants things that are desirable to humans ( eg happiness) instead
> of asking plants what THEY desire
>
> If anyone would like to help us organise this discussion contact nina and I
> via rmalina@ alum.mit.edu and czegledyn@gmail.com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 13:07:01 -0500
> From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
> To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr, Jonathon Keats
> <jonathonkeats@gmail.com>, Czegledy <czegledy@interlog.com>,
> roger
> malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu>
> Cc: Abdessamad EL MONTASSIR <elmontassir.abdessamad@gmail.com>, Elen
> Nas <313nnas@gmail.com>, Guillermo Mu?oz <m.m.guillermo@gmail.com
> >,
> Dimitris Charitos <vedesign@otenet.gr>, Jo?o Silveira
> <joaoarteciencia@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] proposed yasmin discussions; should
> we , could we give plants the right to vote
> Message-ID:
> <mailman.2.1621886940.12969.yasmin_discussions_ntlab.gr@ntlab.gr>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> elen abdessamad
> thanks for agreeing to participate on the yasmin discussion
> let by jonathon keats, details below
> subscribe to the discussion list using the info at the end
> perhaps you could send the list a paragraph about yourself
> and the foci of your research
>
> luca guillermo- i wonder if we could make this discussion 'nomadic "?
>
> roger malina
>
> to join yasmin discussion go to:
> https://ntlab.gr/mailman/roster/yasmin_discussions_ntlab.gr
> https://ntlab.gr/mailman/roster/yasmin_discussions_ntlab.gr
>
>
> roger
>
> Roger in Dallas, please phone/txt/ +15108532007 if urgent
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 12:51 PM roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu>
> wrote:
> >
> > yasminers
> >
> > nina czegledy and fomenting a yasmin discussion with jonathon keats
> > Jonathon Keats is a conceptual artist and experimental philosopher[1]
> > known for creating large-scale thought experiments. Keats was born in
> > New York City and studied philosophy at Amherst College.[2] He now
> > lives in San Francisco and Italy.[3]
> > \
> > his latest provocation is part of his THE FUTURE DEMOCRACIES
> > LABORATORY: AUTOMATED GOVERNMENT PROTOTYPING SYSTEM
> > https://projects.cadre.sjsu.edu/democracyproject/index.html
> > The Future Democracies Laboratory is a research space dedicated to the
> > investigation of methodologies and technologies for collective
> > decision-making. Directed by experimental philosopher Jonathon Keats,
> > in collaboration with San Jos? State University students and CADRE
> > faculty Rhonda Holberton and Steve Durie, the transdisciplinary
> > laboratory hosts an open-source software platform for rapidly modeling
> > and testing democratic systems.
> >
> > We are working him as part of initiatives to mitigate climate change,
> > the absurd idea of giving plants the right
> > to vote- the first step is a citizen science project where YOU can
> > poll the plants around you and 'represent' them
> > in this yasmin discussion
> >
> > I am currently 'polling" plants in dallas and so far have discovered
> that:
> > a) i notice more unhappy people than unhappy plants- why cant dallas
> > provide all humans a minimum annual income-
> > as they do to plants who are watered and clipped and planted by the
> > city for free.
> > b) i dont know how to know whether a plant is 'happy' and my son
> > xavier said i was projecting
> > on plants things that are desirable to humans ( eg happiness) instead
> > of asking plants what THEY desire
> >
> > If anyone would like to help us organise this discussion contact nina
> and I
> > via rmalina@ alum.mit.edu and czegledyn@gmail.com
>
>
>
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