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Today's Topics:
1. Re: asamina kaniari challenges yasminers to think about
living architectures (YASMIN DISCUSSIONS)
2. Re: asamina kaniari challenges yasminers to think about
living architectures (YASMIN DISCUSSIONS)
3. Salvatore Iaconesi seads in with Antitesi project which is
about a love story between an AI and a plant. (YASMIN DISCUSSIONS)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 29 May 2021 21:21:57 +0200
From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr
Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] asamina kaniari challenges yasminers
to think about living architectures
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or give plants a voting right (the most radical request so far)
or
implement the biosphere into the declaration of rights, constitution or fundamental / basic law (as in Bhutan)
Klaus Hu
Studio Klaus Hu / Berlin
> On May 29, 2021, at 8:42 PM, YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr> wrote:
>
> asamina and yasminers
>
> asamina thanks about your incitation of using 'living architecture'
> methods- yasminers her email is included
> and find out how to complete a tax return concerned with underground
> biological activity though a new as a living biological space in
> democratic deficit.
>
> we hope you are 'polling' the plants in your neighborhood as a first step to
> helping them to vote in your next city election-- recently i have been
> visiting 'decorative' plants and gardens in dallas
> manicured lawns and plants with every leaf designed by humans. Are
> urban gardens a help or a hindrance to
> making the plant world happier ? or both.
>
> i note that the nation state is an irrelevant 'scale' for intervention
> on climate change ( see the ideas of ramon guardans
> and nina czegledy)- we need global scales and neighborhood scales-
> satellites give us a sense of global climate
> change and by looking in your neighborhood you get a sense of local
> changes( eg increased flooding in many
> neighborhoods)- hence jonathon keats provocation to poll your local plants
>
> after we finish the plant polling over the next few weeks Jonathon
> Keats will lead the next steps in our
> yasmin discussions- but for now yasminers are invited to observe and
> notice whether their local plants
> are feeling well or not and report back. Once we have the plant
> opinion polls we can step forward.
>
> Roger Malina
>
>
> On Sat, May 29, 2021 at 5:19 AM Assimina Kaniari
> <assimina.kaniari@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Roger and Nina and Jonathan,
>>
>> I wonder if it would be useful to the plants thought experiment to think in terms of analogies between (city/urban/civic) plants (planted) and residents 'settled', by way of housing as a metaphor (through architecture). Building 'houses' which grow in a vertical manner (just as city growth in modern cities) resembles the way plants grow (vertically-yet without following rules of perspective, as Hockney has written about trees).
>> I always found interesting Kader Attia's discussion of modernism and mass architecture housing in France (and his work revisiting Le Corbusier's ideal city as couscous at Tate).
>>
>> Suzanne Anker has discussed how plants sense and feel (by drawing on M. Marder's Plant thinking: a philosophy of vegetal life in her discussion of her work Astroculture looking at links between speculative and real and historical conditions of plant growth (a terrarium as a space experiment in 0 gravity as a cabinet of curiosity) to think about plants, science and culture from the perspective of plants and ?how above ground and underground environments appear to plants'..
>> http://suzanneanker.com/wp-content/uploads/02.pdf
>> https://www.leonardo.info/review/2017/09/review-of-institutional-critique-to-hospitality-and-open-science-singularity-and
>>
>> This way of thinking about plants the living physicality of plants, their 'architecture' and survival patterns is indeed a thought metaphor for a rethinking of a 'living' architecture (not only in terms of the people that it hosts, like a biblical arc) but perhaps more in the sense of an expanded field (taking on board plant vision and growth as a living and real metaphor) just as Rosalind Krauss talked about the blurring of boundaries in the art object and 'sculpture' against the 'expanded field' also through photography in dialogue with architecture many years back looking at static and dry structures (is the work what we encounter on the surface or what is also underneath?). How can we account for the messiness and fluidity of water (waste) but if it is also something that we produce perhaps we should also have a payback from the profits of its management -as a tax return concerned with underground biological activity though a new as a living biological space in democratic deficit.
>>
>> Plants have roots which extend deep down in the soil (often fed and watered by sewers) but are encountered (from an anthropocentric view) at street level (as part of the city topography, as perspectival additions) as elements of the horizon.
>> Their growth by taking on board an expanded field leads also to a different thinking about more inclusive ways of participation in the profits of the new economy of waste as a plant-building-civic thought experiment. A
>>
>>>>> I am currently 'polling" plants in dallas and so far have discovered
>>>> that:
>>>>> a) i notice more unhappy people than unhappy plants- why cant dallas
>>>>> provide all humans a minimum annual income-
>>>>> as they do to plants who are watered and clipped and planted by the
>>>>> city for free.
>>>>> b) i dont know how to know whether a plant is 'happy' and my son
>>>>> xavier said i was projecting
>>>>> on plants things that are desirable to humans ( eg happiness) instead
>>>>> of asking plants what THEY desire
>>>>>
>>>>> If anyone would like to help us organise this discussion contact nina
>>>> and I
>>>>> via rmalina@ alum.mit.edu and czegledyn@gmail.com
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Assimina Kaniari, D.Phil Oxford, M.Phil Cambridge.
>>
>> Assistant Professor, Art History, Athens School of Fine Arts.
>>
>> https://www.leonardo.info/led/4685
>>
>> http://www.asfa.gr/assimina-kaniari
>>
>> Publications
>>
>> Acts of Seeing Artists, Scientists and the History of the Visual : A Volume Dedicated to Martin Kemp
>>
>> Assimina Kaniari, Marina Wallace, Martin Kemp
>>
>> Institutional Critique to Hospitality: Bio Art Practice Now. A critical anthology
>>
>> Assimina Kaniari (editor)
>>
>> Grigori Publications
>>
>> 2017
>>
>> http://suzanneanker.com/wp-content/uploads/02.pdf
>>
>> https://www.leonardo.info/review/2017/09/review-of-institutional-critique-to-hospitality-and-open-science-singularity-and
>>
>> Review of Susan Merril Squier's Epigenetic Landscapes: Drawings as Metaphor, Leonardo.
>>
>> https://www.leonardo.info/review/2020/08/epigenetic-landscapes-drawings-as-metaphor
>
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Date: Sun, 30 May 2021 21:12:33 +0200
From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr
Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] asamina kaniari challenges yasminers
to think about living architectures
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Before anything, do plants have free will ? How is it demonstrated ? Which
elements of its biology support this ?
And then, how will this free will be expressed and in particular the vote
decision ?
Mathieu Pr?vot
Paris
Le dim. 30 mai 2021 ? 20:58, YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
a ?crit :
> or give plants a voting right (the most radical request so far)
> or
> implement the biosphere into the declaration of rights, constitution or
> fundamental / basic law (as in Bhutan)
>
> Klaus Hu
> Studio Klaus Hu / Berlin
>
> > On May 29, 2021, at 8:42 PM, YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <
> yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr> wrote:
> >
> > asamina and yasminers
> >
> > asamina thanks about your incitation of using 'living architecture'
> > methods- yasminers her email is included
> > and find out how to complete a tax return concerned with underground
> > biological activity though a new as a living biological space in
> > democratic deficit.
> >
> > we hope you are 'polling' the plants in your neighborhood as a first
> step to
> > helping them to vote in your next city election-- recently i have been
> > visiting 'decorative' plants and gardens in dallas
> > manicured lawns and plants with every leaf designed by humans. Are
> > urban gardens a help or a hindrance to
> > making the plant world happier ? or both.
> >
> > i note that the nation state is an irrelevant 'scale' for intervention
> > on climate change ( see the ideas of ramon guardans
> > and nina czegledy)- we need global scales and neighborhood scales-
> > satellites give us a sense of global climate
> > change and by looking in your neighborhood you get a sense of local
> > changes( eg increased flooding in many
> > neighborhoods)- hence jonathon keats provocation to poll your local
> plants
> >
> > after we finish the plant polling over the next few weeks Jonathon
> > Keats will lead the next steps in our
> > yasmin discussions- but for now yasminers are invited to observe and
> > notice whether their local plants
> > are feeling well or not and report back. Once we have the plant
> > opinion polls we can step forward.
> >
> > Roger Malina
> >
> >
> > On Sat, May 29, 2021 at 5:19 AM Assimina Kaniari
> > <assimina.kaniari@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear Roger and Nina and Jonathan,
> >>
> >> I wonder if it would be useful to the plants thought experiment to
> think in terms of analogies between (city/urban/civic) plants (planted) and
> residents 'settled', by way of housing as a metaphor (through
> architecture). Building 'houses' which grow in a vertical manner (just as
> city growth in modern cities) resembles the way plants grow (vertically-yet
> without following rules of perspective, as Hockney has written about trees).
> >> I always found interesting Kader Attia's discussion of modernism and
> mass architecture housing in France (and his work revisiting Le Corbusier's
> ideal city as couscous at Tate).
> >>
> >> Suzanne Anker has discussed how plants sense and feel (by drawing on M.
> Marder's Plant thinking: a philosophy of vegetal life in her discussion of
> her work Astroculture looking at links between speculative and real and
> historical conditions of plant growth (a terrarium as a space experiment in
> 0 gravity as a cabinet of curiosity) to think about plants, science and
> culture from the perspective of plants and ?how above ground and
> underground environments appear to plants'..
> >> http://suzanneanker.com/wp-content/uploads/02.pdf
> >>
> https://www.leonardo.info/review/2017/09/review-of-institutional-critique-to-hospitality-and-open-science-singularity-and
> >>
> >> This way of thinking about plants the living physicality of plants,
> their 'architecture' and survival patterns is indeed a thought metaphor for
> a rethinking of a 'living' architecture (not only in terms of the people
> that it hosts, like a biblical arc) but perhaps more in the sense of an
> expanded field (taking on board plant vision and growth as a living and
> real metaphor) just as Rosalind Krauss talked about the blurring of
> boundaries in the art object and 'sculpture' against the 'expanded field'
> also through photography in dialogue with architecture many years back
> looking at static and dry structures (is the work what we encounter on the
> surface or what is also underneath?). How can we account for the messiness
> and fluidity of water (waste) but if it is also something that we produce
> perhaps we should also have a payback from the profits of its management
> -as a tax return concerned with underground biological activity though a
> new as a living biological space in democratic deficit.
> >>
> >> Plants have roots which extend deep down in the soil (often fed and
> watered by sewers) but are encountered (from an anthropocentric view) at
> street level (as part of the city topography, as perspectival additions) as
> elements of the horizon.
> >> Their growth by taking on board an expanded field leads also to a
> different thinking about more inclusive ways of participation in the
> profits of the new economy of waste as a plant-building-civic thought
> experiment. A
> >>
> >>>>> I am currently 'polling" plants in dallas and so far have discovered
> >>>> that:
> >>>>> a) i notice more unhappy people than unhappy plants- why cant dallas
> >>>>> provide all humans a minimum annual income-
> >>>>> as they do to plants who are watered and clipped and planted by the
> >>>>> city for free.
> >>>>> b) i dont know how to know whether a plant is 'happy' and my son
> >>>>> xavier said i was projecting
> >>>>> on plants things that are desirable to humans ( eg happiness) instead
> >>>>> of asking plants what THEY desire
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If anyone would like to help us organise this discussion contact nina
> >>>> and I
> >>>>> via rmalina@ alum.mit.edu and czegledyn@gmail.com
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Assimina Kaniari, D.Phil Oxford, M.Phil Cambridge.
> >>
> >> Assistant Professor, Art History, Athens School of Fine Arts.
> >>
> >> https://www.leonardo.info/led/4685
> >>
> >> http://www.asfa.gr/assimina-kaniari
> >>
> >> Publications
> >>
> >> Acts of Seeing Artists, Scientists and the History of the Visual : A
> Volume Dedicated to Martin Kemp
> >>
> >> Assimina Kaniari, Marina Wallace, Martin Kemp
> >>
> >> Institutional Critique to Hospitality: Bio Art Practice Now. A critical
> anthology
> >>
> >> Assimina Kaniari (editor)
> >>
> >> Grigori Publications
> >>
> >> 2017
> >>
> >> http://suzanneanker.com/wp-content/uploads/02.pdf
> >>
> >>
> https://www.leonardo.info/review/2017/09/review-of-institutional-critique-to-hospitality-and-open-science-singularity-and
> >>
> >> Review of Susan Merril Squier's Epigenetic Landscapes: Drawings as
> Metaphor, Leonardo.
> >>
> >>
> https://www.leonardo.info/review/2020/08/epigenetic-landscapes-drawings-as-metaphor
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 30 May 2021 14:37:35 -0500
From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr, Salvatore Iaconesi
<salvatore.iaconesi@he-r.it>, Jonathon Keats
<jonathonkeats@gmail.com>, Czegledy <czegledy@interlog.com>, Vania
Negrete <he.lios@hotmail.com>, Joel Slayton <joelc5slayton@gmail.com>
Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] Salvatore Iaconesi seads in with
Antitesi project which is about a love story between an AI and a
plant.
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YASMINERS
from salvatore Iaconesi
I hope you are well!
What a wonderful topic you are bringing up with Jonathon Keats for
Yasmin! (and btw, we had got in touch with him for La Cura years ago,
and he was super nice and gave wonderful contributions)
If he's not already involved I suggest you onboarding Massimo Di
Felice in Brazil: he's working across digital and indigenous cultures
and their diverse cosmologies imagining a plant parliament.
And I and Oriana would really also enjoy joining in through our
Antitesi project (Pier Luigi saw this one as well! :) ), which is
about a love story between an AI and a plant.
The AI continuously admires and contemplates its lover: when flowers
appear, how it grows, temperatures, humidity etc. By doing this it
progressively forms, over the years, a data set, in which it looks for
patterns about the rise of climate change.
When it finds them, this new digital-biologic life form generates an
emotional response which triggers the fact that it starts investing
the donations (which it can receive through its digital ID) on
companies and organizations which have been virtuous.
The artwork is also an open source toolkit using which you can turn
any plant into an Antitesi, aiming to form a planetary network of
plants which are not at all passive in fighting climate change, and
establishing new forms of kinships with human beings.
We created it as a prototype in 2018, and now, in 2021, the Federico
II University of Naples will acquire it to install it into the campus
and to use it in education, research and community programs.
In the beginning prototype Antitesi was an Agave. Now we have been
using a Wisteria Floribunda, which will wrap itself up onto a 30
meters high ex-industrial chimney in Naples, becoming a presence for
the whole campus. We have renamed it Wisteria Furibonda (which in
italian means Furious Wisteria) for its emotional response.
Thank you!
and hope to see you soon somehow
kind wishes
Salvatore
> > > We are working him as part of initiatives to mitigate climate change,
> > > the absurd idea of giving plants the right
> > > to vote- the first step is a citizen science project where YOU can
> > > poll the plants around you and 'represent' them
> > > in this yasmin discussion
> > >
> > > I am currently 'polling" plants in dallas and so far have discovered
> > that:
> > > a) i notice more unhappy people than unhappy plants- why cant dallas
> > > provide all humans a minimum annual income-
> > > as they do to plants who are watered and clipped and planted by the
> > > city for free.
> > > b) i dont know how to know whether a plant is 'happy' and my son
> > > xavier said i was projecting
> > > on plants things that are desirable to humans ( eg happiness) instead
> > > of asking plants what THEY desire
> > >
> > > If anyone would like to help us organise this discussion contact nina
> > and I
> > > via rmalina@ alum.mit.edu and czegledyn@gmail.com
--
Art is Open Source - https://www.artisopensource.net
Nuovo Abitare - https://abitare.xyz/
Human Ecosystems Relazioni - https://www.he-r.it/
Ubiquitous Commons - http://www.ubiquitouscommons.org
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