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1. Re: asamina kaniari challenges yasminers to think about
living architectures (YASMIN DISCUSSIONS)
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Date: Mon, 31 May 2021 10:00:48 +1000
From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
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Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] asamina kaniari challenges
yasminers to think about living architectures
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In 1973 John Lifton first exhibited 'Green Music' at the Computer Arts Society exhibition 'Event One' in London. It was subsequently widely exhibited in the UK and USA. The interactive artwork demonstrated that plants were aware (conscious) of their environment and could quickly respond to changes:
http://turbulence.org/networked_music_review/2007/12/13/net_music_weekly-john-lifton/
ALSO - on the subject of 'Free Will'. My favourite description comes from Gerd Sommerhoff in his ' The Abstract Characteristics of Living Systems' (1969) where he suggests that free will is an illusion generated by a relatively simple organism (human) to a seeming infinitely complex environment (the universe) in order to preserve its sanity.
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Paul Brown
paul@paul-brown.com
On Mon, 31 May 2021, at 5:12 AM, YASMIN DISCUSSIONS wrote:
> Before anything, do plants have free will ? How is it demonstrated ? Which
> elements of its biology support this ?
> And then, how will this free will be expressed and in particular the vote
> decision ?
>
> Mathieu Pr?vot
> Paris
>
> Le dim. 30 mai 2021 ? 20:58, YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
> a ?crit :
>
> > or give plants a voting right (the most radical request so far)
> > or
> > implement the biosphere into the declaration of rights, constitution or
> > fundamental / basic law (as in Bhutan)
> >
> > Klaus Hu
> > Studio Klaus Hu / Berlin
> >
> > > On May 29, 2021, at 8:42 PM, YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <
> > yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr> wrote:
> > >
> > > asamina and yasminers
> > >
> > > asamina thanks about your incitation of using 'living architecture'
> > > methods- yasminers her email is included
> > > and find out how to complete a tax return concerned with underground
> > > biological activity though a new as a living biological space in
> > > democratic deficit.
> > >
> > > we hope you are 'polling' the plants in your neighborhood as a first
> > step to
> > > helping them to vote in your next city election-- recently i have been
> > > visiting 'decorative' plants and gardens in dallas
> > > manicured lawns and plants with every leaf designed by humans. Are
> > > urban gardens a help or a hindrance to
> > > making the plant world happier ? or both.
> > >
> > > i note that the nation state is an irrelevant 'scale' for intervention
> > > on climate change ( see the ideas of ramon guardans
> > > and nina czegledy)- we need global scales and neighborhood scales-
> > > satellites give us a sense of global climate
> > > change and by looking in your neighborhood you get a sense of local
> > > changes( eg increased flooding in many
> > > neighborhoods)- hence jonathon keats provocation to poll your local
> > plants
> > >
> > > after we finish the plant polling over the next few weeks Jonathon
> > > Keats will lead the next steps in our
> > > yasmin discussions- but for now yasminers are invited to observe and
> > > notice whether their local plants
> > > are feeling well or not and report back. Once we have the plant
> > > opinion polls we can step forward.
> > >
> > > Roger Malina
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, May 29, 2021 at 5:19 AM Assimina Kaniari
> > > <assimina.kaniari@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Dear Roger and Nina and Jonathan,
> > >>
> > >> I wonder if it would be useful to the plants thought experiment to
> > think in terms of analogies between (city/urban/civic) plants (planted) and
> > residents 'settled', by way of housing as a metaphor (through
> > architecture). Building 'houses' which grow in a vertical manner (just as
> > city growth in modern cities) resembles the way plants grow (vertically-yet
> > without following rules of perspective, as Hockney has written about trees).
> > >> I always found interesting Kader Attia's discussion of modernism and
> > mass architecture housing in France (and his work revisiting Le Corbusier's
> > ideal city as couscous at Tate).
> > >>
> > >> Suzanne Anker has discussed how plants sense and feel (by drawing on M.
> > Marder's Plant thinking: a philosophy of vegetal life in her discussion of
> > her work Astroculture looking at links between speculative and real and
> > historical conditions of plant growth (a terrarium as a space experiment in
> > 0 gravity as a cabinet of curiosity) to think about plants, science and
> > culture from the perspective of plants and ?how above ground and
> > underground environments appear to plants'..
> > >> http://suzanneanker.com/wp-content/uploads/02.pdf
> > >>
> > https://www.leonardo.info/review/2017/09/review-of-institutional-critique-to-hospitality-and-open-science-singularity-and
> > >>
> > >> This way of thinking about plants the living physicality of plants,
> > their 'architecture' and survival patterns is indeed a thought metaphor for
> > a rethinking of a 'living' architecture (not only in terms of the people
> > that it hosts, like a biblical arc) but perhaps more in the sense of an
> > expanded field (taking on board plant vision and growth as a living and
> > real metaphor) just as Rosalind Krauss talked about the blurring of
> > boundaries in the art object and 'sculpture' against the 'expanded field'
> > also through photography in dialogue with architecture many years back
> > looking at static and dry structures (is the work what we encounter on the
> > surface or what is also underneath?). How can we account for the messiness
> > and fluidity of water (waste) but if it is also something that we produce
> > perhaps we should also have a payback from the profits of its management
> > -as a tax return concerned with underground biological activity though a
> > new as a living biological space in democratic deficit.
> > >>
> > >> Plants have roots which extend deep down in the soil (often fed and
> > watered by sewers) but are encountered (from an anthropocentric view) at
> > street level (as part of the city topography, as perspectival additions) as
> > elements of the horizon.
> > >> Their growth by taking on board an expanded field leads also to a
> > different thinking about more inclusive ways of participation in the
> > profits of the new economy of waste as a plant-building-civic thought
> > experiment. A
> > >>
> > >>>>> I am currently 'polling" plants in dallas and so far have discovered
> > >>>> that:
> > >>>>> a) i notice more unhappy people than unhappy plants- why cant dallas
> > >>>>> provide all humans a minimum annual income-
> > >>>>> as they do to plants who are watered and clipped and planted by the
> > >>>>> city for free.
> > >>>>> b) i dont know how to know whether a plant is 'happy' and my son
> > >>>>> xavier said i was projecting
> > >>>>> on plants things that are desirable to humans ( eg happiness) instead
> > >>>>> of asking plants what THEY desire
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> If anyone would like to help us organise this discussion contact nina
> > >>>> and I
> > >>>>> via rmalina@ alum.mit.edu and czegledyn@gmail.com
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >>
> > >> Assimina Kaniari, D.Phil Oxford, M.Phil Cambridge.
> > >>
> > >> Assistant Professor, Art History, Athens School of Fine Arts.
> > >>
> > >> https://www.leonardo.info/led/4685
> > >>
> > >> http://www.asfa.gr/assimina-kaniari
> > >>
> > >> Publications
> > >>
> > >> Acts of Seeing Artists, Scientists and the History of the Visual : A
> > Volume Dedicated to Martin Kemp
> > >>
> > >> Assimina Kaniari, Marina Wallace, Martin Kemp
> > >>
> > >> Institutional Critique to Hospitality: Bio Art Practice Now. A critical
> > anthology
> > >>
> > >> Assimina Kaniari (editor)
> > >>
> > >> Grigori Publications
> > >>
> > >> 2017
> > >>
> > >> http://suzanneanker.com/wp-content/uploads/02.pdf
> > >>
> > >>
> > https://www.leonardo.info/review/2017/09/review-of-institutional-critique-to-hospitality-and-open-science-singularity-and
> > >>
> > >> Review of Susan Merril Squier's Epigenetic Landscapes: Drawings as
> > Metaphor, Leonardo.
> > >>
> > >>
> > https://www.leonardo.info/review/2020/08/epigenetic-landscapes-drawings-as-metaphor
> > >
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