Hi every one,
I am happily surprised that some are interesting by this -old- debate.
- never won !! -
Stats don't hide anything. they help to see a state, a fact, a situation.
The analysis must be made after.
I agree on homophily.
I would name it differently : sexism (mainly unconscious, even by
women), fear of women (to be afraid of women, difficulty to forget the
seduction process), or lack of open mind (as Roger mentioned - very
good idea).
My field is art, not computer science. Though I agree that an analysis
should be made in both, or in all fields, I think the situation is not
analog.
In the art field, many students are women (about 75%), but they are
absents in the summits. even when they are good.
- and in this debate we are speaking on media art, field where many
women work.
I myself code my images or programms.
Women (we) are not educated (enough) in schools AND in families to
take word in public and to fight for their ideas - ie to have self
confidence. and it is a real fight/war to manage to be selected.
We lack knowledge in working in team. we have social skills, but
mainly to become friends, not to become colleagues and succeed together.
Unfortunatly women still suffer from the bad image they have : not
mainly bright but mainly kind. Society is very slow to change on this
last point.
Regards,
Anne-Sarah
http://aslemeur.free.fr
roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu> a écrit :
> RB
>
> i think that you make a good point= about the stats on gender hiding
> the underlying issues
> and paul fishwick has opened one aspect with his perspective on
> modelling rather than coding
>
> franck ancel has also added to this with his comment about lack of
> french artists
> in that particular exhibitions selection
>
> one of the underlying issue is the general problem of 'homophily'- and
> the disconcerting
> studies that show that internet communities tend to re enforce
> homophily ( bruno latour's
> research group has interesting results on polarisation on line around
> issues)- the
> early techno-romanticism about the internet is confronted with the
> reality of our
> social behaviours
>
> its ironic as at the same time all the work on creativity and
> innovation emphasise the
> need for open flows of ideas across boundaries
>
> curators clearly play a crucial role- as do other kinds of gatekeepers
> ( the problem
> in wikipedia for instance)- there was interesting work on the
> gatekeepers in the
> art and technology field 15 years ago-i think monika fleischman was
> involved=maybe
> someone remembers the study=
> if gatekeepers are homophylic then how can the art-science-technology
> be generative
> of new approaches and ideas
>
> if we are serious about the benefits of trans-disciplinarity= in terms
> of disciplines-then one of
> the underlying issues is ensuring social diversity in the way we go
> about developing
> communities of practice- and that means diversity in all its aspects
> including gender
>
> roger
>
>
>
>
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> From: rbuiani <rbuiani@gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 1:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] [Yasmin: bogota columbia
> To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@estia.media.uoa.gr>
>
>
> This is a very needed debate, but all I keep seeing here are stats and
> percentages. We might go beyond these data and looked at the
> motivations that caused them.
> Is it just a gender pressure/assumptions (women ought to be in other
> professions)?
> is it because the field is dominated by men and women feel intimidated
> or not welcome (ie it is a boys club)?
> is it because coding is conceptually understood and practically
> approached in a way that simply doesn't appeal women?
> is it the teaching that only teaches you how to code and program
> certain items/accomplish certain tasks?
>
> frankly, I am a bit tired of hearing people complaining that women
> don't go into computer science or are misrepresented or failed to be
> represented. now I would like to see a thorough analysis. I don't
> think it is just a question of numbers, there is a problem with
> content and epistemologies. I am interested in anything that has been
> written on the matter (no stats, I have them already, they are not
> adding anything to what we already know)
>
> my two cents. sincerely curious and open to whomever would like to direct me.
>
> thanks
> rb
>
> On Jan 29, 2014, at 2:31 PM, roger malina wrote:
>
>> anne-sarah
>>
>> i am moving this discussion over to the yasmin discussion list so
>> please reply there !!
>>
>> greetings- your comment about the gender balance in this exhibition
>> ( 3/24) is part of a much larger problem
>>
>> i found this statistic on the web
>>
>> In 2010, women received on average about 14 percent of computer
>> science undergraduate degrees at major research universities, and that
>> number has not changed much since then. (huffington post)
>>
>> In our own university i think its 17% but in our Art and Technology
>> program we are 40% 60%
>>
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