Hello Molly,
Your post is nicely stated.
In reflection, the arts covers a very large domain of forms. I'm not sure
that gaming lacks scientific method if it were to be translated into the
language of gaming and the skills for programming, texturing, layering, etc.
of the game itself. If it functions, then it has completed its proof of
concept. Same with dance, music, etc. when these fields meet the level of
scholarship and aesthetic required. But when we start getting into
experimental fields that do not have a baseline it becomes more difficult.
But in art/science, I take science very seriously in my biodesign work and
would not consider it true science if the experiments outcome had not been
inherently repeatable, proven over and over again, and then written up and
reviewed by blind peer review, and then published in a scientific Journal.
Art should not have to prove itself, but if it is claiming to be scientific
it must imho.
Natasha
Dr. Natasha Vita-More
Faculty / Program Champion, Graduate Studies
UNIVERSITY OF ADVANCING TECHNOLOGY
LEARN. EXPERIENCE. INNOVATE.
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Co-Editor, Author: The Transhumanist Reader
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Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] scathing review of Ryoji Ikeda's art
project from CERN residency
Dear Roger,
A very interesting set of questions to arise at this point in time of
intense mutual admiration between art and science and lack of responsible
criticism in the arts and as science falls prey to conservative doubting, at
least in States, and what I would argue is an over determination from
technology sectors in education.
Perhaps it's not so much that artists should "understand" or take a deeply
creative interest in mimicking science in their practices, but that both
can learn different sets of questions and directions for research from each
other and that deep critique both positive and negative is needed in both
fields. We have enough problems to solve on this planet!
I had a chat with Erik Davis after a presentation he did about psychedelia
in which he screened early CIA scientific experiments with LSD - controlled
in a white office, with clock, with men in ties. If this is "objectivity"
about the type of mystical experience possible on psilocybin then scientists
have missed something crucial about aesthetics and sensual pleasure in
affecting mind-alteration. He also talked about a recent study done at Johns
Hopkins where it was determined that there was some kind of universally-had
mystical experience. Presumably this more recent study used control
environments more conducive to tripping than the CIA did in the sixties.
My point being that Science could gain important insights into how it is
posing questions and proving its ideas from artists and artists would do
well not to treat their own practices as if Art were for producing results
that need to be proved--what has seemed a creeping concern in both criticism
and practice and a peculiar (funding driven?) demand on artists in the last
decade.
Molly Hankwitz, PhD
Independent scholar, curator, editor
Bivoulab "scientist"
> On May 27, 2016, at 1:13 PM, Malina, Roger <rxm116130@utdallas.edu> wrote:
>
> Yasminers
>
> Here is a very very negative review of Ryoji's Ikeda's art
> installation resulting from his cern residency
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/jonathanjonesblog/2015/apr/23
> /art-respond-science-cern-ryoji-ikeda-supersymmetry
>
> Should art respond to science? On this evidence, the answer is simple:
> no way Japanese artist Ryoji Ikeda's installation Supersymmetry is
> inspired by his residency at Cern - but signifies little more than that
physics is weird. Isn't it time we stopped expecting artists to understand
the complexities of science?
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/jonathanjonesblog/2015/apr/23
> /art-respond-science-cern-ryoji-ikeda-supersymmetry
>
> this is very much along the lines of my colleague Jean Marc
> Levy=Lebond's book 'Science is not art' where he attacks much of the
> mystification of art science practice
>
> the review ends with:
>
> Art<https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/art> and science, we
> feel, should have something to say to each other. But perhaps they speak
different languages after all. I don't speak the language of science too
well, either, but I do know one thing: it is concerned with the wonder of
nature. There is a depressing lack of wonder in this technically
sophisticated but intellectually and emotionally empty art.
>
> would be interested in Yasminer reactions= has anyone seen the work ?
>
> roger malina
>
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