Sigh ... oh how I long for the day when artists were also material scientists, physicists, chemists, mathematicians, etc. It can be quite extraordinary to consider how many, and varied skills an artist needed to survive. Somehow today, with the industrialuzation of art supplies, tubes of paints whose hues are fastidiously controlled, our students do not understand or appreciate the tools they work with. Then look, artists begin to use computers, and they're told that what they produce are not art works, because it was "too easy". Easy? Truly? Seems to me that in order to create true works of art, one needs to master her tools. Yes? But easy? Should we ask all artists to return to mixing their own paints, grinding pigments first, and then blending them with appropriate substrates? I'm an artist and a scientist, and both aspects (NOT sides) inform each other.
Bill Joel
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Roger
I am curious about something — in your post, you say:
this can sometimes 'instrumentalise' the arts in
> the service of science and industry
If the above is seen to be an issue, what about mathematics, the
sciences and engineering being "instrumentalized" in the service to
the arts? I would imagine that you have an equal problem with this
direction?
We cannot have it both ways, meaning that we cannot disparage the
using of the arts as new means for improving something (communication,
education), but then have no problems with artists using math/sci/engineering
as "instrumental." Either (1) any sort of instrumentalization is considered
problematic in either direction (art->sci, sci->art), or (2) both sorts of
instrumentalization are seen as equally beneficial and both should be
celebrated.
I think we all agree that "using", "instrument", and "tool" are a bit pejorative
regardless of who or what is being targeted (artists, computer scientists, etc).
However, lots of research is needed in both directions.
Most folks are going to emphasize one thing over the other, especially given
our divided, disciplinary academy. In such an environment, we should be glad
that some scientists are accepting of the arts to improve their fields in the same
way that we are glad that artists "use" new sci/eng products. If scientists can
improve their STEM fields by "arts integration" (let's use that term rather than the
words "instrument" or "tool"), that is a good outcome considering that
vast majority of my STEM colleagues have no special interest in the arts.
-p
On Sep 19, 2014, at 9:19 PM, roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> yasminers
> our list was down for a few days
> if you tried to post and it didnt'
> appear=please re [post
>
> we are hoping to continue the stem
> to steam
> discussion for another week and would welcome
> insights
>
> clearly the stem to steam discussion is embedded'
> in a currently fashionable political/economic discourse
> about creativity/innovation/employment
>
> this can sometimes 'instrumentalise' the arts in
> the service of science and industry
>
> how can we articulate the sciences and engineering
> in the support of the arts as goals in themselves ?
>
> roger malina
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