If the highest value you can bring too any discussion is to describe what
> you do, then I'm not sure why we are here on a list for art-science. Jeff
> Koons describes what he does.
>
if you read the line below "describe what we do" it says: "... describe
what we do, our motives and background research, how we formulate
experiments, what are the results and impacts, what implications,
difficulties, innovations,"
so what we do is : describe what we do, describe our motives, describe the
background research (which means previous studies/cases, or lack of
previous studies/cases, or studies/cases which inspire us and how and/or
how we try to reformulate them to try to go beyond them a little bit...),
describe how we formulate experiments (which can be in the lab, but they
can also happen in a performance, or in a city, or in another setting,
according to a method, so that they can be performed again, etc, which
includes the fact that we release all tools, software, technologies, data
in input and output etc), describe the results, describe the impacts (what
changed? what stayed the same? what was not "readable"? why? what next?),
describe the difficulties, describe the innovations (what, if any, happened
now that hadn't happened before? what have we done with it? what do we
imagine that we can do with it? what do we try to do next with it?...)
>
> When you add to this such dimensions as formulating experiments,
> describing results, considering difficulties, then description must rise to
> the level of analysis. This, in turn, requires deeper description,
> comparison, and if you also claim innovation, then you've got to
> demonstrate what happened in the past. That is to say, when you make
> scientific claims for your art or your approach to art, more is required
> than a description of artistic practice.
>
so, with the previous paragraph I hope to have answered your doubt.
I thought it was pretty clear even before, but evidently I was wrong.
What I was really referring to by answering Ziva was the "self-promotion"
thing. I have nothing wrong with it, and I figured, from what was being
said, that even Ziva had nothing wrong with it. But, again, I think that it
was important to communicate that describing an experiment, and its pre-
and post- (see above), is more important than self-promotion.
>
> Without analysis, it is impossible to support other people's research.
> Merely describing what one does assumes that what you do is innovative.
> This may not be the case. That's why researchers work to identify the gaps
> in the knowledge of the field prior to their contribution. Significant
> innovation in uncommon. It is more likely to occur following serious
> thinking and analysis.
>
of course we do that. as a matter of fact it is one of our priorities.
all the best
Salvatore
>
> Yours,
>
> Ken Friedman
>
> —snip—
>
> > We are practice-based.
> >
> > The highest value we can bring to any discussion is to describe what we
> do,
> > our motives and background research, how we formulate experiments, what
> > are the results and impacts, what implications, difficulties,
> innovations,
> > etc appear when we perform such experiments, and hope that this is useful
> > to give someone else new ideas, open up new possibilities, etc.
> >
> > In this, we also try to use art and practice as a platform, to support
> > other people's research, innovations, critical stances, where they can
> come
> > together, inspire, be applied in the world, and also to engage people in
> > ways which are effective, persistent, transformative.
> >
> > In a way, we "only" have our practice to bring into any discussion. Which
> > is of course inspired and informed by other things.
>
> —snip—
>
>
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