from Jonathan Zilberg
Also see "Dementia dichotoma -- the 'two cultures' delusion" by H.
Markl in Experientia
15. 4. 1994, Volume 50, Issue 4, pp 346-351 and the amazing in-depth
study of Snow's career and work -
C. P. Snow and the Struggle of Modernity by the late John de la Mothe at
www.amazon.com/C-P-Snow-Struggle-Modernity/dp/0292729162
--
Roger F Malina
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Sunday, March 30, 2014
[Yasmin_discussions] was C.P.Snow Wrong ?
YASMINERS
You may be interested in the discussion about whether C.P.Snow
was wrong-
http://malina.diatrope.com/2014/03/29/c-p-snow-proved-wrong-malina-says/
In reply to sonia sheridan I replied as follows
>From Sonia Sheridan
CP Snow gave us a warning that was much needed. We have been acting on
that. This did not make CP Snow wrong. Instead thank him for the
warning!
Sonia
thanks for your comment on my blog post being wrong-
yes Snow did give a good alert- but in recent discussions i
have become impressed at how his metaphor of the two cultures
has become ingrained in peoples thinking and has actually
become an obstacle
the other problematic metaphors are
a) left brain/ right brain- recent neuroscience makes clear that this is not the
most useful way to categorise cognitive functioning
b) the tree of knowledge- as trees age they become rigid and hard to
re structure- the metaphor of the network of knowledge immediately
is dynamic and reactive
c) the third culture metaphor- the idea must be to create links not to merge
d) the concept of Kuhnian paradigm change has been widely mis
interpreted (to Kuhn's dismay)
people still disseminate CP Snow as a fact- and the reality is there is now
a large and growing creative community that is hybrid and migrates easily
across the network of knowledge
i know its a bit polemical but i do think we need to change our metaphors !
If you read C.P Snow carefully he was much more nuanced than his followers
and his focus was on development in the developing world and the need to
have civil servants that understood science and technology
we are just peer reviewing the 50 submissions we received on the esoteric
topic of the arts, humanities and complex networks Leonardo Day at the
Network Science Conference in Berkeley June 3
http://ahcncompanion.info/
and the breadth and depth of trans-disciplinary inquiry is mind boggling
--
Roger F Malina
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was wrong-
http://malina.diatrope.com/2014/03/29/c-p-snow-proved-wrong-malina-says/
In reply to sonia sheridan I replied as follows
>From Sonia Sheridan
CP Snow gave us a warning that was much needed. We have been acting on
that. This did not make CP Snow wrong. Instead thank him for the
warning!
Sonia
thanks for your comment on my blog post being wrong-
yes Snow did give a good alert- but in recent discussions i
have become impressed at how his metaphor of the two cultures
has become ingrained in peoples thinking and has actually
become an obstacle
the other problematic metaphors are
a) left brain/ right brain- recent neuroscience makes clear that this is not the
most useful way to categorise cognitive functioning
b) the tree of knowledge- as trees age they become rigid and hard to
re structure- the metaphor of the network of knowledge immediately
is dynamic and reactive
c) the third culture metaphor- the idea must be to create links not to merge
d) the concept of Kuhnian paradigm change has been widely mis
interpreted (to Kuhn's dismay)
people still disseminate CP Snow as a fact- and the reality is there is now
a large and growing creative community that is hybrid and migrates easily
across the network of knowledge
i know its a bit polemical but i do think we need to change our metaphors !
If you read C.P Snow carefully he was much more nuanced than his followers
and his focus was on development in the developing world and the need to
have civil servants that understood science and technology
we are just peer reviewing the 50 submissions we received on the esoteric
topic of the arts, humanities and complex networks Leonardo Day at the
Network Science Conference in Berkeley June 3
http://ahcncompanion.info/
and the breadth and depth of trans-disciplinary inquiry is mind boggling
--
Roger F Malina
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Tuesday, March 18, 2014
[Yasmin_discussions] To Phd or Not to Phd Redux
Colleagues
Our community is involved in an international discussion about the
emergence of
the PhD in Art and Design
Many of our programs in art-science and art-technology are setting up such
programs.
In the U.S.A there is a vigorous debate about the role of the PhD in Art or
Design
as compared to the Master of Fine Arts
In recent decades the MfA was considered the 'terminal degree' or the most
advanced degree
in art in universities. With the emergence of PhDs, many universities are
now considering
that educators that wish to supervise PhD students must themselves have a
PhD first (
as is usually the case in other disciplines).
There are a number of books an articles that have been appearing in the
last few years
addressing the various issues involved- for instance the problem faced by
artists who in
addition to their art creative work are asked to produce a scholarly
written thesis.
The U.S College Art Association is developing a policy statement on the
issue- i append
details they have released.
The Leonardo Education and Art Forum is developing an input to the US
College Art Association
that must be submitted by April 22.
We have set up a google group named: LEOCAAPHD
for those interested in contributing to this input- joint the google group
or email me
at rmalina@alum.mit.edu if you want to be included.
Or you may wish to send your inputs directly to the CAA at
atfeedback@collegeart.org
Roger Malina
Development of a Statement on Terminal Degree Programs in the Visual Arts
and Design
While the College Art Association (CAA) continues to affirm that the Master
of Fine Arts (MFA) is the terminal degree in visual arts and design
practice, a growing number of PhD and other doctoral degree programs in the
arts are being offered by institutions within the United States and abroad.
Consistent with its commitment to offer guidance to its members, their
institutions, and other professional arts organizations, CAA recognizes the
need to develop a statement regarding terminal degree programs in the
visual arts and design. In February 2013 CAA's Professional Practices
Committee (PPC) outlined a twenty-month course of action to develop a
Statement on Terminal Degree Programs in the Visual Arts and Design. This
process began with the formation of an ad hoc committee to lead the project.
The committee worked over the past year on collecting and comparing
information about terminal degree programs and developing draft statements.
The most recent draft was presented to members at the CAA Annual Conference
in Chicago in February 2014. The session was extremely well attended and
included an open discussion period and a mechanism for collecting
post-conference feedback. In addition, the committee presented an earlier
draft at the September 2013 National Council of Arts Administrators Annual
Conference and many committee members attended an open hearing on the same
subject at the October 2013 National Association of Schools of Art and
Design Annual Meeting.
The committee continues its work on a timetable to submit a final draft
statement for PPC review by June 1, 2014; for CAA staff and legal counsel
review by September 1, 2014; and for CAA Board of Directors review in
October 2014.
Please review the current draft statement. Members can offer responses,
comments, and suggestions atfeedback@collegeart.org until April 22, 2014.
All submissions will be reviewed and considered. Please be aware that the
committee will be unable to respond directly to members.
Thank you for your time and for your continued support of CAA.
Linda Downs
Executive Director and Chief Executive Officer
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Our community is involved in an international discussion about the
emergence of
the PhD in Art and Design
Many of our programs in art-science and art-technology are setting up such
programs.
In the U.S.A there is a vigorous debate about the role of the PhD in Art or
Design
as compared to the Master of Fine Arts
In recent decades the MfA was considered the 'terminal degree' or the most
advanced degree
in art in universities. With the emergence of PhDs, many universities are
now considering
that educators that wish to supervise PhD students must themselves have a
PhD first (
as is usually the case in other disciplines).
There are a number of books an articles that have been appearing in the
last few years
addressing the various issues involved- for instance the problem faced by
artists who in
addition to their art creative work are asked to produce a scholarly
written thesis.
The U.S College Art Association is developing a policy statement on the
issue- i append
details they have released.
The Leonardo Education and Art Forum is developing an input to the US
College Art Association
that must be submitted by April 22.
We have set up a google group named: LEOCAAPHD
for those interested in contributing to this input- joint the google group
or email me
at rmalina@alum.mit.edu if you want to be included.
Or you may wish to send your inputs directly to the CAA at
atfeedback@collegeart.org
Roger Malina
Development of a Statement on Terminal Degree Programs in the Visual Arts
and Design
While the College Art Association (CAA) continues to affirm that the Master
of Fine Arts (MFA) is the terminal degree in visual arts and design
practice, a growing number of PhD and other doctoral degree programs in the
arts are being offered by institutions within the United States and abroad.
Consistent with its commitment to offer guidance to its members, their
institutions, and other professional arts organizations, CAA recognizes the
need to develop a statement regarding terminal degree programs in the
visual arts and design. In February 2013 CAA's Professional Practices
Committee (PPC) outlined a twenty-month course of action to develop a
Statement on Terminal Degree Programs in the Visual Arts and Design. This
process began with the formation of an ad hoc committee to lead the project.
The committee worked over the past year on collecting and comparing
information about terminal degree programs and developing draft statements.
The most recent draft was presented to members at the CAA Annual Conference
in Chicago in February 2014. The session was extremely well attended and
included an open discussion period and a mechanism for collecting
post-conference feedback. In addition, the committee presented an earlier
draft at the September 2013 National Council of Arts Administrators Annual
Conference and many committee members attended an open hearing on the same
subject at the October 2013 National Association of Schools of Art and
Design Annual Meeting.
The committee continues its work on a timetable to submit a final draft
statement for PPC review by June 1, 2014; for CAA staff and legal counsel
review by September 1, 2014; and for CAA Board of Directors review in
October 2014.
Please review the current draft statement. Members can offer responses,
comments, and suggestions atfeedback@collegeart.org until April 22, 2014.
All submissions will be reviewed and considered. Please be aware that the
committee will be unable to respond directly to members.
Thank you for your time and for your continued support of CAA.
Linda Downs
Executive Director and Chief Executive Officer
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Monday, March 17, 2014
[Yasmin_discussions] moderator this week
Dear friends,
I am in charge of the moderation this week, I would be glad to help you with any questions or comments you may have, just let me know,
regards,
m
monica bello
mb@monicabello.org
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Saturday, March 15, 2014
[Yasmin_discussions] Live on Waterwheel - all this week
Dear Yasmin list,
come whenever you can online to see, and respond to, live presentations &
performances about or inspired by water (art, science, activism, ideas,
discussion, adults and young ones) & on the theme: "Water Views: Caring and
Daring".
Starting this coming Monday with Ulay and running almost non-stop the whole
week with 18 nodes, all continents participating. Just click the following
link whenever you're ready, and then on the name of the "Tap" that's live at
that time. 2 clicks and you're in.
First, http://water-wheel.net/tap
Then on the name of the "Tap" that's live.
Hope to see you there,
Suzon Fuks
WATERWHEEL, Make & Share about Water
WATERWHEEL Initiator and co-founder http://water-wheel.net
IGNEOUS Co-artistic Director http://www.igneous.org.au
skype: suzonfuks | http://suzonfuks.net
mob: +61-439 929 028 | Tel:+61-7-3255 8355 | 3/27 Waverley St - Annerley
QLD 4103 - Australia
it takes 3 litres of water to make 1 sheet of A4 paper & 12,000 litres to
make 500 grams of chocolate!
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Apologies for crossposting ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
come whenever you can online to see, and respond to, live presentations &
performances about or inspired by water (art, science, activism, ideas,
discussion, adults and young ones) & on the theme: "Water Views: Caring and
Daring".
Starting this coming Monday with Ulay and running almost non-stop the whole
week with 18 nodes, all continents participating. Just click the following
link whenever you're ready, and then on the name of the "Tap" that's live at
that time. 2 clicks and you're in.
First, http://water-wheel.net/tap
Then on the name of the "Tap" that's live.
Hope to see you there,
Suzon Fuks
WATERWHEEL, Make & Share about Water
WATERWHEEL Initiator and co-founder http://water-wheel.net
IGNEOUS Co-artistic Director http://www.igneous.org.au
skype: suzonfuks | http://suzonfuks.net
mob: +61-439 929 028 | Tel:+61-7-3255 8355 | 3/27 Waverley St - Annerley
QLD 4103 - Australia
it takes 3 litres of water to make 1 sheet of A4 paper & 12,000 litres to
make 500 grams of chocolate!
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Apologies for crossposting ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
Sunday, March 9, 2014
[Yasmin_discussions] new YASMIN moderator
Greetings YASMINERS
I am finishing up my week as YASMIN moderator=
Soussi Houssine is taking over as the moderator
Meanwhile YASMIN Moderator Monica Bello , the
artistic director of VIDA, is helping celebrate
their 15h anniversary
http://vida.fundaciontelefonica.com/en/
congratulations to VIDA !
Roger Malina
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I am finishing up my week as YASMIN moderator=
Soussi Houssine is taking over as the moderator
Meanwhile YASMIN Moderator Monica Bello , the
artistic director of VIDA, is helping celebrate
their 15h anniversary
http://vida.fundaciontelefonica.com/en/
congratulations to VIDA !
Roger Malina
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Sunday, March 2, 2014
[Yasmin_discussions] your moderator this week
Yasminers
I will be your moderator this week and monica bello
in spain takes over next week- i will be in france much
of march looking forward to yasmin connections
roger malina
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I will be your moderator this week and monica bello
in spain takes over next week- i will be in france much
of march looking forward to yasmin connections
roger malina
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