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1. Re: dangerous art; AI-beings (YASMIN DISCUSSIONS)
2. http://yasminlist.blogspot.com/ (YASMIN DISCUSSIONS)
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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 18:09:04 -0400
From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] dangerous art; AI-beings
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Roger,
I think what remains very important in this discussion is precisely the
impact of the increased proliferation of (non)human (or rather
human-nonhuman "hybrids" such as AI, corporations, stem cells, etc) in
ecological-social-economic systems; and more precisely how artificial
intelligence changes the game in the 21st century. While some of us are
fearing the future emergence of super-intelligent beings that will
destroy us all, there is a reality *now* that zillions of artificial
agents are surrounding us, they are *with* us at all time, *already*, as
we speak, pervading all aspects of our lives. Western culture has
difficulty to deal with these new agencies because we see every
relationship as a power dynamics: if we create intelligent beings, the
first thing they will do is try to destroy us, because (1) there is a
strong mythological / cultural premisse around the dangerous foolishness
of naive men attempts to create artificial beings (eg. Frankenstein) to
take the place of God, inadvertently resulting in despair and
destruction (eg. Frankenstein's monster turning against its master); (2)
Western culture is living with its colonialist past where inter-human
and inter-species relationships are always violent and based on sheer
domination, leading to the conclusion that artificial intelligence
systems are either to be dominated by humans, or they will dominate us;
whereas there are alternative kinds of relationships that can be
established.
How to engage with such artificial entities beyond anthropocentrism? How
to understand the real power dynamics in play with these AI agents in
the complex world that we live in? In response to these questions, I
will refer to a paper published last year "Making Kin with the Machines"
by Jason Edward Lewis, Noelani Arista, Archer Pechawis, and Suzanne Kite
(https://jods.mitpress.mit.edu/pub/lewis-arista-pechawis-kite). In this
article, the authors (all indigenous scholars) explore artificial
intelligence through the perspective of indigenous philosophies. They
show how indigenous communities have developed ways to engage in dialog
with "non-human kin" and how these approaches can perhaps be used to
deal with our relationships with artificial "beings". It is one of the
best reads on the subject of AI and posthumanism I had the pleasure to read.
Sofian
On 2019-07-27 2:35 p.m., YASMIN DISCUSSIONS wrote:
> glenn
> i would like to pick up on your
>
> "First, our current AI is not nearly as "intelligent" as the general
> public believes it to be -- but at the same time, we perhaps do
> not appreciate the enormous impact it's going to have on human
> society. "
>
> i agree- i first started thinking differently on this when bernard
> stiegler started
> discussing digital devices under the idea of 'organology'
>
> eg your sell phone is not a tool but an organ- if your cell phone gets sick
> you get sick ( eg people dont know how to navigate without gps access now)
>
> AI software i think needs to be thought of organically as primitive and rapidly
> evolving organisms-- i like to call them AI-Beings....already the AI
> beings around
> me are more annoying than mosquitoes and are clearly more intelligent than
> mosquitoes in that there is no simple bug 'spray' that can get the ai-beings out
> of my room when i am falling to sleep
>
> roger malina
>
>
> Roger is in dallas, then chicago end july, then paris aug 2
> in london aug 6/7/8 then paris until aug 15-contact me if
> you are available to meet
> whatsapp, eechat , messenger+1-510-853-2007 and +33680459447 in
> europe.This email address for leonardo related work,
> rmalina@alum.mit.edu use roger.malina@utdallas.edu for UTD work
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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 15:14:50 -0500
From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr
Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] http://yasminlist.blogspot.com/
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yasminers
thanks for the emerging discussion on dangerous art/AI. Beings
for the new members of the list please do send us a short bio
introducing yourself- yasmin is a village culture, and when someone
new comes to live in the village, you introduce yourself to the villagers
also- for those of you joining late into the discussion= all the discussion
list posts are aggregrated at : http://yasminlist.blogspot.com/ its an easy
way to catch up on the discussion to date
roger malina
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