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1. Re: asamina kaniari challenges yasminers to think about
living architectures (YASMIN DISCUSSIONS)
2. Fwd: asamina kaniari challenges yasminers to think about
living architectures (YASMIN DISCUSSIONS)
3. Luca Forcucci-- can you help us on living architectures
thinking? never mind the revolutionary genius of plants
(YASMIN DISCUSSIONS)
4. Re: Luca Forcucci-- can you help us on living architectures
thinking? never mind the revolutionary genius of plants
(YASMIN DISCUSSIONS)

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2021 20:06:45 +0200
From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr
Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] asamina kaniari challenges yasminers
to think about living architectures
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Thanks for the elements.

Unfortunately, many links in Net_Music_Weekly: John Lifton are dead, as
well as in other references (video/youtube account deleted) of this work.
I could not find any elements in what is visible of such "proof" or rather
suggestion. I think the element "it responds to the environment" is way too
basic to provide something close to free will.
For instance, water boils when one heats it enough; or the ball falls and
then rebounds when one drops it. Do liquids and mechanic exhibit free will ?
In free will, there should be at least two elements of choice, which are
equally or arbitrarily choosable and one is chosen repeatedly (eg., unlike
a stochastic movement) or the result of a thought (a *modus ponens* at
least). In computer science it's something *not deterministic* as well as *not
random*. I also emphasize that random does not mean *uniform distribution*.

I was rather asking for elements from the side of science.

Mathieu P

Le lun. 31 mai 2021 ? 18:31, YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
a ?crit :

> In 1973 John Lifton first exhibited 'Green Music' at the Computer Arts
> Society exhibition 'Event One' in London. It was subsequently widely
> exhibited in the UK and USA. The interactive artwork demonstrated that
> plants were aware (conscious) of their environment and could quickly
> respond to changes:
>
>
> http://turbulence.org/networked_music_review/2007/12/13/net_music_weekly-john-lifton/
>
> ALSO - on the subject of 'Free Will'. My favourite description comes from
> Gerd Sommerhoff in his ' The Abstract Characteristics of Living Systems'
> (1969) where he suggests that free will is an illusion generated by a
> relatively simple organism (human) to a seeming infinitely complex
> environment (the universe) in order to preserve its sanity.
> --
> Paul Brown
> paul@paul-brown.com
>
> On Mon, 31 May 2021, at 5:12 AM, YASMIN DISCUSSIONS wrote:
> > Before anything, do plants have free will ? How is it demonstrated ?
> Which
> > elements of its biology support this ?
> > And then, how will this free will be expressed and in particular the vote
> > decision ?
> >
> > Mathieu Pr?vot
> > Paris
> >
> > Le dim. 30 mai 2021 ? 20:58, YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <
> yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
> > a ?crit :
> >
> > > or give plants a voting right (the most radical request so far)
> > > or
> > > implement the biosphere into the declaration of rights, constitution or
> > > fundamental / basic law (as in Bhutan)
> > >
> > > Klaus Hu
> > > Studio Klaus Hu / Berlin
> > >
> > > > On May 29, 2021, at 8:42 PM, YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <
> > > yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > asamina and yasminers
> > > >
> > > > asamina thanks about your incitation of using 'living architecture'
> > > > methods- yasminers her email is included
> > > > and find out how to complete a tax return concerned with underground
> > > > biological activity though a new as a living biological space in
> > > > democratic deficit.
> > > >
> > > > we hope you are 'polling' the plants in your neighborhood as a first
> > > step to
> > > > helping them to vote in your next city election-- recently i have
> been
> > > > visiting 'decorative' plants and gardens in dallas
> > > > manicured lawns and plants with every leaf designed by humans. Are
> > > > urban gardens a help or a hindrance to
> > > > making the plant world happier ? or both.
> > > >
> > > > i note that the nation state is an irrelevant 'scale' for
> intervention
> > > > on climate change ( see the ideas of ramon guardans
> > > > and nina czegledy)- we need global scales and neighborhood scales-
> > > > satellites give us a sense of global climate
> > > > change and by looking in your neighborhood you get a sense of local
> > > > changes( eg increased flooding in many
> > > > neighborhoods)- hence jonathon keats provocation to poll your local
> > > plants
> > > >
> > > > after we finish the plant polling over the next few weeks Jonathon
> > > > Keats will lead the next steps in our
> > > > yasmin discussions- but for now yasminers are invited to observe and
> > > > notice whether their local plants
> > > > are feeling well or not and report back. Once we have the plant
> > > > opinion polls we can step forward.
> > > >
> > > > Roger Malina
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, May 29, 2021 at 5:19 AM Assimina Kaniari
> > > > <assimina.kaniari@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Dear Roger and Nina and Jonathan,
> > > >>
> > > >> I wonder if it would be useful to the plants thought experiment to
> > > think in terms of analogies between (city/urban/civic) plants
> (planted) and
> > > residents 'settled', by way of housing as a metaphor (through
> > > architecture). Building 'houses' which grow in a vertical manner (just
> as
> > > city growth in modern cities) resembles the way plants grow
> (vertically-yet
> > > without following rules of perspective, as Hockney has written about
> trees).
> > > >> I always found interesting Kader Attia's discussion of modernism and
> > > mass architecture housing in France (and his work revisiting Le
> Corbusier's
> > > ideal city as couscous at Tate).
> > > >>
> > > >> Suzanne Anker has discussed how plants sense and feel (by drawing
> on M.
> > > Marder's Plant thinking: a philosophy of vegetal life in her
> discussion of
> > > her work Astroculture looking at links between speculative and real and
> > > historical conditions of plant growth (a terrarium as a space
> experiment in
> > > 0 gravity as a cabinet of curiosity) to think about plants, science and
> > > culture from the perspective of plants and ?how above ground and
> > > underground environments appear to plants'..
> > > >> http://suzanneanker.com/wp-content/uploads/02.pdf
> > > >>
> > >
> https://www.leonardo.info/review/2017/09/review-of-institutional-critique-to-hospitality-and-open-science-singularity-and
> > > >>
> > > >> This way of thinking about plants the living physicality of plants,
> > > their 'architecture' and survival patterns is indeed a thought
> metaphor for
> > > a rethinking of a 'living' architecture (not only in terms of the
> people
> > > that it hosts, like a biblical arc) but perhaps more in the sense of an
> > > expanded field (taking on board plant vision and growth as a living and
> > > real metaphor) just as Rosalind Krauss talked about the blurring of
> > > boundaries in the art object and 'sculpture' against the 'expanded
> field'
> > > also through photography in dialogue with architecture many years back
> > > looking at static and dry structures (is the work what we encounter on
> the
> > > surface or what is also underneath?). How can we account for the
> messiness
> > > and fluidity of water (waste) but if it is also something that we
> produce
> > > perhaps we should also have a payback from the profits of its
> management
> > > -as a tax return concerned with underground biological activity though
> a
> > > new as a living biological space in democratic deficit.
> > > >>
> > > >> Plants have roots which extend deep down in the soil (often fed and
> > > watered by sewers) but are encountered (from an anthropocentric view)
> at
> > > street level (as part of the city topography, as perspectival
> additions) as
> > > elements of the horizon.
> > > >> Their growth by taking on board an expanded field leads also to a
> > > different thinking about more inclusive ways of participation in the
> > > profits of the new economy of waste as a plant-building-civic thought
> > > experiment. A
> > > >>
> > > >>>>> I am currently 'polling" plants in dallas and so far have
> discovered
> > > >>>> that:
> > > >>>>> a) i notice more unhappy people than unhappy plants- why cant
> dallas
> > > >>>>> provide all humans a minimum annual income-
> > > >>>>> as they do to plants who are watered and clipped and planted by
> the
> > > >>>>> city for free.
> > > >>>>> b) i dont know how to know whether a plant is 'happy' and my son
> > > >>>>> xavier said i was projecting
> > > >>>>> on plants things that are desirable to humans ( eg happiness)
> instead
> > > >>>>> of asking plants what THEY desire
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> If anyone would like to help us organise this discussion contact
> nina
> > > >>>> and I
> > > >>>>> via rmalina@ alum.mit.edu and czegledyn@gmail.com
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >>
> > > >> Assimina Kaniari, D.Phil Oxford, M.Phil Cambridge.
> > > >>
> > > >> Assistant Professor, Art History, Athens School of Fine Arts.
> > > >>
> > > >> https://www.leonardo.info/led/4685
> > > >>
> > > >> http://www.asfa.gr/assimina-kaniari
> > > >>
> > > >> Publications
> > > >>
> > > >> Acts of Seeing Artists, Scientists and the History of the Visual : A
> > > Volume Dedicated to Martin Kemp
> > > >>
> > > >> Assimina Kaniari, Marina Wallace, Martin Kemp
> > > >>
> > > >> Institutional Critique to Hospitality: Bio Art Practice Now. A
> critical
> > > anthology
> > > >>
> > > >> Assimina Kaniari (editor)
> > > >>
> > > >> Grigori Publications
> > > >>
> > > >> 2017
> > > >>
> > > >> http://suzanneanker.com/wp-content/uploads/02.pdf
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
> https://www.leonardo.info/review/2017/09/review-of-institutional-critique-to-hospitality-and-open-science-singularity-and
> > > >>
> > > >> Review of Susan Merril Squier's Epigenetic Landscapes: Drawings as
> > > Metaphor, Leonardo.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
> https://www.leonardo.info/review/2020/08/epigenetic-landscapes-drawings-as-metaphor
> > > >
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2021 20:24:02 +0200
From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr
Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] Fwd: asamina kaniari challenges
yasminers to think about living architectures
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there is also this exceptional project / film by Zheng Bo about having sex with plants he called Pteridophilia, 2016 ongoing,
connecting spores and sperms
see here > https://www.art-werk.ch/de/journal/zheng-bo-how-can-we-think-beyond-human-exceptionalism <https://www.art-werk.ch/de/journal/zheng-bo-how-can-we-think-beyond-human-exceptionalism>
his blog > http://zhengbo.org <http://zhengbo.org/>

> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
> Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] asamina kaniari challenges yasminers to think about living architectures
> Date: May 30, 2021 at 9:12:33 PM GMT+2
> To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr
> Reply-To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr
>
> Before anything, do plants have free will ? How is it demonstrated ? Which
> elements of its biology support this ?
> And then, how will this free will be expressed and in particular the vote
> decision ?
>
> Mathieu Pr?vot
> Paris
>
> Le dim. 30 mai 2021 ? 20:58, YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
> a ?crit :
>
>> or give plants a voting right (the most radical request so far)
>> or
>> implement the biosphere into the declaration of rights, constitution or
>> fundamental / basic law (as in Bhutan)
>>
>> Klaus Hu
>> Studio Klaus Hu / Berlin
>>
>>> On May 29, 2021, at 8:42 PM, YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <
>> yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr> wrote:
>>>
>>> asamina and yasminers
>>>
>>> asamina thanks about your incitation of using 'living architecture'
>>> methods- yasminers her email is included
>>> and find out how to complete a tax return concerned with underground
>>> biological activity though a new as a living biological space in
>>> democratic deficit.
>>>
>>> we hope you are 'polling' the plants in your neighborhood as a first
>> step to
>>> helping them to vote in your next city election-- recently i have been
>>> visiting 'decorative' plants and gardens in dallas
>>> manicured lawns and plants with every leaf designed by humans. Are
>>> urban gardens a help or a hindrance to
>>> making the plant world happier ? or both.
>>>
>>> i note that the nation state is an irrelevant 'scale' for intervention
>>> on climate change ( see the ideas of ramon guardans
>>> and nina czegledy)- we need global scales and neighborhood scales-
>>> satellites give us a sense of global climate
>>> change and by looking in your neighborhood you get a sense of local
>>> changes( eg increased flooding in many
>>> neighborhoods)- hence jonathon keats provocation to poll your local
>> plants
>>>
>>> after we finish the plant polling over the next few weeks Jonathon
>>> Keats will lead the next steps in our
>>> yasmin discussions- but for now yasminers are invited to observe and
>>> notice whether their local plants
>>> are feeling well or not and report back. Once we have the plant
>>> opinion polls we can step forward.
>>>
>>> Roger Malina
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 29, 2021 at 5:19 AM Assimina Kaniari
>>> <assimina.kaniari@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear Roger and Nina and Jonathan,
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if it would be useful to the plants thought experiment to
>> think in terms of analogies between (city/urban/civic) plants (planted) and
>> residents 'settled', by way of housing as a metaphor (through
>> architecture). Building 'houses' which grow in a vertical manner (just as
>> city growth in modern cities) resembles the way plants grow (vertically-yet
>> without following rules of perspective, as Hockney has written about trees).
>>>> I always found interesting Kader Attia's discussion of modernism and
>> mass architecture housing in France (and his work revisiting Le Corbusier's
>> ideal city as couscous at Tate).
>>>>
>>>> Suzanne Anker has discussed how plants sense and feel (by drawing on M.
>> Marder's Plant thinking: a philosophy of vegetal life in her discussion of
>> her work Astroculture looking at links between speculative and real and
>> historical conditions of plant growth (a terrarium as a space experiment in
>> 0 gravity as a cabinet of curiosity) to think about plants, science and
>> culture from the perspective of plants and ?how above ground and
>> underground environments appear to plants'..
>>>> http://suzanneanker.com/wp-content/uploads/02.pdf
>>>>
>> https://www.leonardo.info/review/2017/09/review-of-institutional-critique-to-hospitality-and-open-science-singularity-and
>>>>
>>>> This way of thinking about plants the living physicality of plants,
>> their 'architecture' and survival patterns is indeed a thought metaphor for
>> a rethinking of a 'living' architecture (not only in terms of the people
>> that it hosts, like a biblical arc) but perhaps more in the sense of an
>> expanded field (taking on board plant vision and growth as a living and
>> real metaphor) just as Rosalind Krauss talked about the blurring of
>> boundaries in the art object and 'sculpture' against the 'expanded field'
>> also through photography in dialogue with architecture many years back
>> looking at static and dry structures (is the work what we encounter on the
>> surface or what is also underneath?). How can we account for the messiness
>> and fluidity of water (waste) but if it is also something that we produce
>> perhaps we should also have a payback from the profits of its management
>> -as a tax return concerned with underground biological activity though a
>> new as a living biological space in democratic deficit.
>>>>
>>>> Plants have roots which extend deep down in the soil (often fed and
>> watered by sewers) but are encountered (from an anthropocentric view) at
>> street level (as part of the city topography, as perspectival additions) as
>> elements of the horizon.
>>>> Their growth by taking on board an expanded field leads also to a
>> different thinking about more inclusive ways of participation in the
>> profits of the new economy of waste as a plant-building-civic thought
>> experiment. A
>>>>
>>>>>>> I am currently 'polling" plants in dallas and so far have discovered
>>>>>> that:
>>>>>>> a) i notice more unhappy people than unhappy plants- why cant dallas
>>>>>>> provide all humans a minimum annual income-
>>>>>>> as they do to plants who are watered and clipped and planted by the
>>>>>>> city for free.
>>>>>>> b) i dont know how to know whether a plant is 'happy' and my son
>>>>>>> xavier said i was projecting
>>>>>>> on plants things that are desirable to humans ( eg happiness) instead
>>>>>>> of asking plants what THEY desire
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If anyone would like to help us organise this discussion contact nina
>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>> via rmalina@ alum.mit.edu and czegledyn@gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Assimina Kaniari, D.Phil Oxford, M.Phil Cambridge.
>>>>
>>>> Assistant Professor, Art History, Athens School of Fine Arts.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.leonardo.info/led/4685
>>>>
>>>> http://www.asfa.gr/assimina-kaniari
>>>>
>>>> Publications
>>>>
>>>> Acts of Seeing Artists, Scientists and the History of the Visual : A
>> Volume Dedicated to Martin Kemp
>>>>
>>>> Assimina Kaniari, Marina Wallace, Martin Kemp
>>>>
>>>> Institutional Critique to Hospitality: Bio Art Practice Now. A critical
>> anthology
>>>>
>>>> Assimina Kaniari (editor)
>>>>
>>>> Grigori Publications
>>>>
>>>> 2017
>>>>
>>>> http://suzanneanker.com/wp-content/uploads/02.pdf
>>>>
>>>>
>> https://www.leonardo.info/review/2017/09/review-of-institutional-critique-to-hospitality-and-open-science-singularity-and
>>>>
>>>> Review of Susan Merril Squier's Epigenetic Landscapes: Drawings as
>> Metaphor, Leonardo.
>>>>
>>>>
>> https://www.leonardo.info/review/2020/08/epigenetic-landscapes-drawings-as-metaphor
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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Date: Sun, 30 May 2021 14:53:24 -0500
From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr
Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] Luca Forcucci-- can you help us on
living architectures thinking? never mind the revolutionary genius of
plants
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luca
thanks for your self intro which is in the middle of this email

thanks for your email to yasmin which ties in both to asamina's argument:
I wonder if it would be useful to the plants thought experiment to
think in terms of analogies between (city/urban/civic) plants
(planted) and residents 'settled', by way of housing as a metaphor
(through architecture).

yes indeed- if you look at the surface of the earth from 1000
kilometers and study what is going on in a 1000 year time scale (
thanks ramon guardans)
both plants and buildings grow, die, spread, and behave in very
similar manners. both need food ( cement) and water , both have
limited
life spans- and like ants the ant hills of cities and the ants are
intermingled- but i dont think the DNA of plants metastasises with
the DNA
of buildings even though buildings have a lot of microbiome just like
humans and plants do-or maybe they do

your email also then addresses jonathon keats ideas on giving the
right of votes to plants ( if they have free will as pointed out
earlier)-
i append the outline of the book you recommended by Stefano Mancuso
The Revolutionary Genius of Plants: A New Understanding of Plant
Intelligence and Behavior

roger malina

Hi YASMINERS
from luc forcucci

Thanks for your message. In this context, my interest in exploring the
idea of plants intelligence, in particular following Stefano Mancuso
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/35721619-the-revolutionary-genius-of-plants

Here is my introduction:

Luca Forcucci?s research observes the perceptive properties of sound,
space and memory. The field of possibilities of the experience is
explored as the artwork. In this context, he is interested in
perception, subjectivity and consciousness.

Luca achieved a PhD in Sonic Arts from De Montfort University and a MA
in Sonic Arts from Queens University of Belfast. He studied
electroacoustic music with the Swiss composer Rainer Boesch in Geneva,
and was produced by Al Comet, former member of The Young Gods. Luca
has an extensive background in architecture informed by twenty five
years of professional practice.

His research was further conducted at University of the Arts of
Berlin, INA/GRM Paris (Institut National d?Audiovisuel / Groupe de
Recherches Musicales) while investigating at Biblioth?que Nationale de
France Franc?ois Mitt?rand. At the Brain Mind Institute in Switzerland
he explored cognitive neuroscience of out-of-body experiences. He
regularly lectures in Universities (University of Limerick, USP Sa?o
Paulo, PUC Rio de Janeiro, UFRJ Rio de Janeiro, URC California, UdK
Berlin, ZhDK Z?rich, EPFL Lausanne, SIVA Shanghai).

all the best

Luca

here is the stefani mancuso

The Revolutionary Genius of Plants: A New Understanding of Plant
Intelligence and Behavior

by Stefano Mancuso
4.07 ? Rating details ? 1,245 ratings ? 197 reviews
Do plants have intelligence? Do they have memory? Are they better
problem solvers than people? Plant Revolution?a fascinating,
paradigm-shifting work that upends everything you thought you knew
about plants?makes a compelling scientific case that these and other
astonishing ideas are all true.

Plants make up eighty percent of the weight of all living things on
earth, and yet it is easy to forget that these innocuous, beautiful
organisms are responsible for not only the air that lets us survive,
but for many of our modern comforts: our medicine, food supply, even
our fossil fuels.

On the forefront of uncovering the essential truths about plants,
world-renowned scientist Stefano Mancuso reveals the surprisingly
sophisticated ability of plants to innovate, to remember, and to
learn, offering us creative solutions to the most vexing technological
and ecological problems that face us today. Despite not having brains
or central nervous systems, plants perceive their surroundings with an
even greater sensitivity than animals. They efficiently explore and
react promptly to potentially damaging external events thanks to their
cooperative, shared systems; without any central command centers, they
are able to remember prior catastrophic events and to actively adapt
to new ones.

Every page of Plant Revolution bubbles over with Stefano Mancuso?s
infectious love for plants and for the eye-opening research that makes
it more and more clear how remarkable our fellow inhabitants on this
planet really are. In his hands, complicated science is wonderfully
accessible, and he has loaded the book with gorgeous photographs that
make for an unforgettable reading experience. Plant Revolution opens
the doors to a new understanding of life on earth. (less)

Le jeu. 27 mai 2021 ? 17:15, roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu> a ?crit :
>
> luca
> thanks for signilng up to the yasmiln discussion list
> maybe you could send an email introducing yourself
> and your interests
>
> i am copying this to jonathon keats who will be the lead
> provocateur for the discussion
>
>
> Roger in Dallas, please phone/txt/ +15108532007 if urgent

--
Luca Forcucci

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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2021 21:56:55 +0200
From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr
Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Luca Forcucci-- can you help us on
living architectures thinking? never mind the revolutionary genius of
plants
Message-ID:
<mailman.15.1622758102.38238.yasmin_discussions_ntlab.gr@ntlab.gr>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

and dont forget, plants are, like humans sensitive,
and regarding the links I posted yesterday, like to repeat this entry:

there is also this exceptional project / film by Zheng Bo about having sex with plants he called Pteridophilia, 2016 ongoing,
connecting spores and sperms
see here > https://www.art-werk.ch/de/journal/zheng-bo-how-can-we-think-beyond-human-exceptionalism <https://www.art-werk.ch/de/journal/zheng-bo-how-can-we-think-beyond-human-exceptionalism>
his blog > http://zhengbo.org <http://zhengbo.org/>

Klaus Hu / Berlin

> On May 30, 2021, at 9:53 PM, YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr> wrote:
>
> luca
> thanks for your self intro which is in the middle of this email
>
> thanks for your email to yasmin which ties in both to asamina's argument:
> I wonder if it would be useful to the plants thought experiment to
> think in terms of analogies between (city/urban/civic) plants
> (planted) and residents 'settled', by way of housing as a metaphor
> (through architecture).
>
> yes indeed- if you look at the surface of the earth from 1000
> kilometers and study what is going on in a 1000 year time scale (
> thanks ramon guardans)
> both plants and buildings grow, die, spread, and behave in very
> similar manners. both need food ( cement) and water , both have
> limited
> life spans- and like ants the ant hills of cities and the ants are
> intermingled- but i dont think the DNA of plants metastasises with
> the DNA
> of buildings even though buildings have a lot of microbiome just like
> humans and plants do-or maybe they do
>
> your email also then addresses jonathon keats ideas on giving the
> right of votes to plants ( if they have free will as pointed out
> earlier)-
> i append the outline of the book you recommended by Stefano Mancuso
> The Revolutionary Genius of Plants: A New Understanding of Plant
> Intelligence and Behavior
>
> roger malina
>
>
>
>
> Hi YASMINERS
> from luc forcucci
>
> Thanks for your message. In this context, my interest in exploring the
> idea of plants intelligence, in particular following Stefano Mancuso
> https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/35721619-the-revolutionary-genius-of-plants
>
> Here is my introduction:
>
> Luca Forcucci?s research observes the perceptive properties of sound,
> space and memory. The field of possibilities of the experience is
> explored as the artwork. In this context, he is interested in
> perception, subjectivity and consciousness.
>
> Luca achieved a PhD in Sonic Arts from De Montfort University and a MA
> in Sonic Arts from Queens University of Belfast. He studied
> electroacoustic music with the Swiss composer Rainer Boesch in Geneva,
> and was produced by Al Comet, former member of The Young Gods. Luca
> has an extensive background in architecture informed by twenty five
> years of professional practice.
>
> His research was further conducted at University of the Arts of
> Berlin, INA/GRM Paris (Institut National d?Audiovisuel / Groupe de
> Recherches Musicales) while investigating at Biblioth?que Nationale de
> France Franc?ois Mitt?rand. At the Brain Mind Institute in Switzerland
> he explored cognitive neuroscience of out-of-body experiences. He
> regularly lectures in Universities (University of Limerick, USP Sa?o
> Paulo, PUC Rio de Janeiro, UFRJ Rio de Janeiro, URC California, UdK
> Berlin, ZhDK Z?rich, EPFL Lausanne, SIVA Shanghai).
>
> all the best
>
> Luca
>
>
> here is the stefani mancuso
>
> The Revolutionary Genius of Plants: A New Understanding of Plant
> Intelligence and Behavior
>
> by Stefano Mancuso
> 4.07 ? Rating details ? 1,245 ratings ? 197 reviews
> Do plants have intelligence? Do they have memory? Are they better
> problem solvers than people? Plant Revolution?a fascinating,
> paradigm-shifting work that upends everything you thought you knew
> about plants?makes a compelling scientific case that these and other
> astonishing ideas are all true.
>
> Plants make up eighty percent of the weight of all living things on
> earth, and yet it is easy to forget that these innocuous, beautiful
> organisms are responsible for not only the air that lets us survive,
> but for many of our modern comforts: our medicine, food supply, even
> our fossil fuels.
>
> On the forefront of uncovering the essential truths about plants,
> world-renowned scientist Stefano Mancuso reveals the surprisingly
> sophisticated ability of plants to innovate, to remember, and to
> learn, offering us creative solutions to the most vexing technological
> and ecological problems that face us today. Despite not having brains
> or central nervous systems, plants perceive their surroundings with an
> even greater sensitivity than animals. They efficiently explore and
> react promptly to potentially damaging external events thanks to their
> cooperative, shared systems; without any central command centers, they
> are able to remember prior catastrophic events and to actively adapt
> to new ones.
>
> Every page of Plant Revolution bubbles over with Stefano Mancuso?s
> infectious love for plants and for the eye-opening research that makes
> it more and more clear how remarkable our fellow inhabitants on this
> planet really are. In his hands, complicated science is wonderfully
> accessible, and he has loaded the book with gorgeous photographs that
> make for an unforgettable reading experience. Plant Revolution opens
> the doors to a new understanding of life on earth. (less)
>
> Le jeu. 27 mai 2021 ? 17:15, roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu> a ?crit :
>>
>> luca
>> thanks for signilng up to the yasmiln discussion list
>> maybe you could send an email introducing yourself
>> and your interests
>>
>> i am copying this to jonathon keats who will be the lead
>> provocateur for the discussion
>>
>>
>> Roger in Dallas, please phone/txt/ +15108532007 if urgent
>
>
>
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