Yasmin List: January 2021

Sunday, January 31, 2021

Yasmin_discussions Digest, Vol 33, Issue 5

Friday, January 29, 2021

Yasmin_discussions Digest, Vol 33, Issue 4

Wednesday, January 27, 2021

Yasmin_discussions Digest, Vol 33, Issue 3

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1. Re: Yasmin_discussions Digest, Vol 33, Issue 2_and the
Etruscan too (YASMIN DISCUSSIONS)

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From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr
Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Yasmin_discussions Digest, Vol 33,
Issue 2_and the Etruscan too
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Dear Roger,

I am all in for the flight, and let's not forget the Etruscans !
all the best
Luca

Le mar. 26 janv. 2021 ? 11:00, <yasmin_discussions-request@ntlab.gr> a
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> 1. Re: [Yasmin_announcements] astronomer reports sighting of
> yasmin phenix - help us help it fly (YASMIN DISCUSSIONS)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2021 15:40:12 +0000
> From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
> To: roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu>, "yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr"
> <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>, "yasmin_announcements@ntlab.gr"
> <yasmin_announcements@ntlab.gr>
> Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] [Yasmin_announcements] astronomer
> reports sighting of yasmin phenix - help us help it fly
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> Roger -- as our nearest star rises seemingly anew over a political return
> to some sanity here in the U.S., your news feels timely and welcomed. Happy
> to climb aboard the flight of the YASMIN Phenix!
>
> /stephen
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> From: Yasmin_announcements <yasmin_announcements-bounces@ntlab.gr> on
> behalf of roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu>
> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2021 9:09 AM
> To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr; yasmin_announcements@ntlab.gr
> Subject: [Yasmin_announcements] astronomer reports sighting of yasmin
> phenix - help us help it fly
>
> Yasminers
> Yesterday a group of trouble makers and provocateurs met under the
> coordination of Dimitris
> in Athens- and we made a tentative decision to try and re-invent YASMIN
> and see if we can find other ways of contributing slowly emerging
> better ideas to the post pandemic world ( we throw ideas at each
> other, not stones and bombs, just as maturana and varela incited
> auto-poesis in complex systems)
>
> It was a rather emotional meeting-with long e-lost friends including
> andreas, soussi , and new friends such as Dalila and Penny
> In the brainstorming someone (Dalila?) mentioned the Phoenix and
> suddenly we started talking about the YASMIN Phenix- the phenix is a
> legendary mediterranean bird, south bank i think,
>
> So with this email the Yasmin Phoenicians solicit, invite, encourage,
> listen loudly to your thoughts and wishes for the Yasmin Phenix
> arising from the ashes of the pandemic
>
> i just looked up Phenicians and it sees like a good germ of a sead
>
> The Phoenicians came to prominence following the collapse (c. 1150 BC)
> of most major cultures during the Late Bronze Age ( aka 21st
> pandemic). They were renowned in antiquity as adept merchants, expert
> seafarers, and intrepid explorers and came to be known as Yasminers
> They developed an expansive maritime( air and space) trade network
> that lasted over a millennium, becoming the dominant (collaborative)
> commercial power for much of classical antiquity. Phenician trade also
> helped facilitate the exchange of cultures, ideas, and knowledge
> between major cradles of civilization such as Greece, Egypt, and
> Mesopotamia ( the native americans too)- as jadwiga reminds us trade
> routes such as the Amber and Silk roads were not only commercial, drug
> and other goods transmitters- for instance as Linda has explained- the
> design of patterns in cloth and pottery travelled along the trade
> routes- so yasminers- work with yourself and other to give birth to
> the Yasmin Phenix
>
> Roger Malina
> PS the Leonardo non=profit now as a safe space at Arizona State
> University- where apparently there is a town called Phoenix.
> Coincidence ? Serendipity ( david peat ?)
>
>
> phenix ('fi?n?ks ) NOUN
> 1. a legendary Arabian bird said to set fire to itself and rise anew
> from the ashes every 500 years
> 2. a person or thing of surpassing beauty or quality
> Collins English Dictionary. Copyright ? HarperCollins Publishers
> Word origin
> Old English fenix, via Latin from Greek phoinix; identical in form
> with Greek Phoinix Phoenician, purple
> Roger in Dallas, please phone/txt/ +15108532007 if urgent
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--
*Luca Forcucci <https://linktr.ee/lucaforcucci>*

*New Albums*
De Rerum Natura
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Released by LFO Editions
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Released by Elektramusic
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*New Paper*
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*Next events*

*14.10 - 15.02.2021 *
<https://www.museoreinasofia.es/en/exhibitions/audiosphere>
Audiosphere / Sound Experimentation 1980-2020
<https://www.museoreinasofia.es/en/exhibitions/audiosphere>
Museo Reina Sofia / Madrid / Spain *(Exhibition)*
<https://www.museoreinasofia.es/en/exhibitions/audiosphere>

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<http://verylarge.works/>

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Tuesday, January 26, 2021

Yasmin_discussions Digest, Vol 33, Issue 2

Monday, January 25, 2021

Yasmin_discussions Digest, Vol 33, Issue 1

Friday, January 22, 2021

Yasmin_discussions Digest, Vol 32, Issue 1

Sunday, January 10, 2021

Yasmin_discussions Digest, Vol 31, Issue 2

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1. who has the right to reply to an extraterrestial civilisation
on behalf of all humans ? (YASMIN DISCUSSIONS)

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Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] who has the right to reply to an
extraterrestial civilisation on behalf of all humans ?
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Yasminers

Happy New

It is possible that the search for extraterrestrial intelligence has had a
first success:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/12/31/breakthrough-listen-seti-technosignatures/

The astronomical community is organising to figure out who/what has a right
to reply to his extraterrestrial

intelligence. There are NO international rules who who can reply on behalf
of humanity. Would you like your president to reply on behalf of human
civilisation ?

This may sound like science fiction or academic non sense, but if this is a
Breakthrough Listen BLC! then

the pandemic will be old news- i have signed the following statement which
has been submitted to the Washington Post and we would welcome a YASMIN
discussion.

Finally the YASMIN community is interested in knowing if you think we
should try and keep YASMIN going during the pandemic and if so, we are
looking for volunteers to help moderate and animate YASMIN

Roger Malina

Author's name:

John W. Traphagan, Anson Mount, William Alba, Carl DeVito, Jerome Barkow,
Jeffrey Lockwood, Roger F. Malina, Ian G. Roberts, Kelly Smith

Name of submitter:

John Traphagan

Contact email address:

jtrap@utexas.edu

Contact phone number:

737-222-1719

Subject:

BLC-1, astrobiology, SETI. Breakthrough Listen, social responsibility

Text of your submission:

Recent news about the detection of a candidate signal from an
extraterrestrial source relatively close to Earth has generated
considerable interest on the Internet.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/12/31/breakthrough-listen-seti-technosignatures/

In a Washington Post editorial, astrophysicist Adam Frank writes, somewhat
excitedly, about the possibility that Breakthrough Listen Candidate 1
(BLC-1, as the signal is known) actually might be the moment of First
Contact. He then announces that the age of technosignatures, meaning clear
indications of extraterrestrial technological civilizations, may finally be
upon us. The only reason we haven?t found life elsewhere, states Frank, is
because we just haven?t been looking hard enough.

Regardless of the level of technical challenges we face detecting
extraterrestrial life of any kind, we must also remember that the search is
not simply a technical endeavor. It?s also an event constructed in the
human imagination. News of BLC-1 leaked before the scientific team
analyzing the data had completed their work, which has led to a fair amount
of speculative writing in news and social media, but little in the way of
detail other than scientists reminding the public that it is unlikely BLC-1
represents an actual technosignature.

This underscores the need for a public discourse about how to handle
possible signal detection. In fact, although there is a robust history of
discussion among scientists involved with SETI (search for extraterrestrial
intelligence) about the need for post-detection protocols, and one was
developed in the 1980s intended to prevent leaks of unconfirmed detections,
the Internet has made control over news about signal detection essentially
impossible. In the 2000s, the International Academy of Astronautics? (IAA)
SETI committee revised the protocol, but the IAA board never approved the
revisions. To date, no government, nor international organization such as
the United Nations, has endorsed or pursued creation of any protocol or
legal framework to address issues related to technosignature detection and
there is no means for scientific bodies to control what is reported to the
public.

Because many astronomers treat detection of technosignatures as a technical
problem, the social and political ramifications of signal detection are
often overlooked in the media. On the surface, it seems that receiving a
signal from ET would be harmless. What could happen if ET is many light
years away? In the case of BLC-1, the source actually may be nearby at
Proxima Centauri, a mere 4.5 light years from Earth, and the Breakthrough
Starshot initiative is already working on technologies to send
nano-spacecraft to that star system. If ET were there, not only is radio
communication only a few years away, material interaction could happen in a
few decades.

But even if the source is much more distant, the history of competition
among great powers makes it clear that if an opportunity arises to gain an
advantage over global rivals, it will be taken. That advantage can be
military, economic, or political; and in the modern world, it may involve
access to and control over information, as we have seen through the furor
concerning Russian hacking of US government agencies.

As former Air Force General Ken Wisian and John Traphagan have argued, if
the information related to detection of a technosignature is deemed as
potentially advantageous, competing powers will vie for control over that
information?if there may be a perceived benefit, then governments will
likely attempt to monopolize access for national security reasons. And it
is not unreasonable to imagine a situation in which monopolization of
communication with an extraterrestrial civilization could lead to an
information-driven cold war.

Although the possibility of BLC-1 being an actual technosignature is low,
it piques the human imagination and there is something powerful captured in
the possibility that we may soon learn we are not alone in the universe.
However, scientists and the news media should be careful to avoid overly
optimistic musings about both the likelihood of detection and the possible
outcomes for human civilization should we find a technosignature. The
potential for human interest generated by leaks such as BLC-1 clearly
defines the responsibility that both scientists and the news media have to
be cautious and to carefully consider the unpredictable ways contact may
change our world.

Despite recent success in exoplanet hunting, the search for
extraterrestrial life faces hurdles and presents potential risk, even if
minor, for humans. Both the search for technosignatures and the societal
implications of that search require greater commitment to long-term
thinking and there has been insufficient public discussion about the
implications of First Contact. This should give us pause if we are at the
dawn of an era in which technosigatures of alien life become more than just
an imaginative exercise.

Of course, we could always shrug our collective shoulders and say that
contact is very unlikely to happen now or any time soon. But some people
used to say that about a global pandemic.

Comments:

The authors are all deeply engaged in research and thinking related to
social implications of astrobiology. John W. Traphagan is Professor of
Religious Studies and in the Program in Human Dimensions of Organization at
the University of Texas at Austin. Anson Mount is an actor, producer, and
podcaster. William Alba is Associate Teaching Professor of Chemistry at
Carnegie Mellon University. Carl DeVito is Associate Professor Emeritus of
Mathematics at the University of Arizona. Jerome H. Barkow is Professor
Emeritus of Social Anthropology at Dalhousie University. Jeffrey Lockwood
is Professor of Natural Sciences and Humanities in the Departments of
Philosophy & Religious Studies and Visual & Literary Arts at the University
of Wyoming. Roger F. Malina is Arts and Technology Distinguished Chair at
the University of Texas at Dallas. Ian G. Roberts is Professor of
Linguistics at the University of Cambridge. Kelly Smith is Professor of
Philosophy at Clemson University.

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