Hi all
It is indeed old ground but always fruitful precisely because so intractable. The limitations of the third space discourse from my point of view are mostly that it carries the positivist legacy that it is possible or desirable to define new spaces for practice, rather than pursuing better descriptions of the incommensurability of practices and discourses. Critical art practices of the avant-garde have traditionally worked in a more negative direction of departure, so many artists would find the question of how their collaborative practices contribute to scientific research pointless or even offensive (it is also true that many would find it similarly unhappy to be asked how their practice contributes to art history).
With the insertion of artistic research into the techno-scientific university there are indeed new modes of practical collaboration and interdisciplinary and transdisciplinary practices being institutionalised, for myself the most interesting collaborations have had a kind of indisciplined quality where both artist and scientist are in a state of departure from their very different modes of socialisation.
Of course some people are better working across the two cultures (or more than two) than others but it's hard to believe we are really at any state of departure from that paradigm when the question can still be asked "How Can History of Science Matter to Scientists?" Maienschein et al, Isis, 2008, 99:341-349. My preferred conversation is "how can art-science collaboration contribute to discourses of artistic autonomy and interrogation of form"? Yes there have been a few interesting interventions made there but the hyphen in art-science is far from disappearing and there's nothing wrong with that IMO.
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Danny
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On 24/08/2013, at 12:17 AM, David Haley <D.Haley@mmu.ac.uk> wrote:
> Bronac, hi
> I agree with all your observations. Indeed the third way (culture, included middle) is now a common theme associated with Transdisciplinarity. Of course, many misinterpretations and much confusion surround this near-mistical quality, but it does provide some interesting debate in the process.
>
> All the best
> David
> PS. I hope you are well.
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> Dr David Haley. Sent from my iPhone
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> On 23 Aug 2013, at 13:39, "bronac@boundaryobject.org" <bronac@boundaryobject.org> wrote:
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>> Hi Roger, Brian and Yasmin colleagues
>>
>> I've been following this trail (feeling a little that perhaps we're going over familiar ground). But re: is the art-science category one of the difficulties? At the recent launch of 'Parasite' in Cambridge the speaker from the Sanger Genomics Research Institute said that for her it represented a perfect example of 'the Third Culture' (..caps mine). I was quite taken by this bid to go beyond the binary and would be keen to see this discussed further...what might be the possible limitations of such a descriptor? It opens things up I feel rather than closing down.
>> All best
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>> Bronac
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