Greetings from Minnesota US
re Lizz Tuckerman' point: "Most of the work that results from
collaborations between artists and scientists result in some type of art
work rather than scientific papers. This benefits the artist but is of
minor career advantage to. I'm interested in what you think."
Richard Wong, "The subtle benefits quite often comes as a nice surprise! "
Based on the years of my 1972-2002 University teaching experience, I concur
with many of roberta buiani's thinking, "Art is a knowledge system, and its
histories consist of many different ways of observation, and thinking
through these observations. " "... I find it sometimes difficult to
convince the scientist to participate. Issues involving department
politics, lack of confidence about the ability to face artists or just busy
schedules make this task very slow and labor intensive. However, in
general, I find that most scientists I contacted thought their productivity
would improve their own work as well as the artist's. All this to say that
I believe that it is not the desire that is missing here, but a sustainable
process (and intermediaries) that allow dialogues to take place", now,
beyond 2013.
Danny's comments resonate with me "...the most interesting collaborations
have had a kind of indisciplined quality where both artist and scientist
are in a state of departure from their very different modes of
socialisation..."
Leif Brush http://weblackwhole.net
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 2:20 AM, Danny Butt <db@dannybutt.net> wrote:
> Hi all
>
> It is indeed old ground but always fruitful precisely because so
> intractable. The limitations of the third space discourse from my point of
> view are mostly that it carries the positivist legacy that it is possible
> or desirable to define new spaces for practice, rather than pursuing better
> descriptions of the incommensurability of practices and discourses.
> Critical art practices of the avant-garde have traditionally worked in a
> more negative direction of departure, so many artists would find the
> question of how their collaborative practices contribute to scientific
> research pointless or even offensive (it is also true that many would find
> it similarly unhappy to be asked how their practice contributes to art
> history).
>
> With the insertion of artistic research into the techno-scientific
> university there are indeed new modes of practical collaboration and
> interdisciplinary and transdisciplinary practices being institutionalised,
> for myself the most interesting collaborations have had a kind of
> indisciplined quality where both artist and scientist are in a state of
> departure from their very different modes of socialisation.
>
> Of course some people are better working across the two cultures (or more
> than two) than others but it's hard to believe we are really at any state
> of departure from that paradigm when the question can still be asked "How
> Can History of Science Matter to Scientists?" Maienschein et al, Isis,
> 2008, 99:341-349. My preferred conversation is "how can art-science
> collaboration contribute to discourses of artistic autonomy and
> interrogation of form"? Yes there have been a few interesting interventions
> made there but the hyphen in art-science is far from disappearing and
> there's nothing wrong with that IMO.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Danny
>
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> On 24/08/2013, at 12:17 AM, David Haley <D.Haley@mmu.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> > Bronac, hi
> > I agree with all your observations. Indeed the third way (culture,
> included middle) is now a common theme associated with Transdisciplinarity.
> Of course, many misinterpretations and much confusion surround this
> near-mistical quality, but it does provide some interesting debate in the
> process.
> >
> > All the best
> > David
> > PS. I hope you are well.
> >
> >
> > Dr David Haley. Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On 23 Aug 2013, at 13:39, "bronac@boundaryobject.org" <
> bronac@boundaryobject.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Roger, Brian and Yasmin colleagues
> >>
> >> I've been following this trail (feeling a little that perhaps we're
> going over familiar ground). But re: is the art-science category one of
> the difficulties? At the recent launch of 'Parasite' in Cambridge the
> speaker from the Sanger Genomics Research Institute said that for her it
> represented a perfect example of 'the Third Culture' (..caps mine). I was
> quite taken by this bid to go beyond the binary and would be keen to see
> this discussed further...what might be the possible limitations of such a
> descriptor? It opens things up I feel rather than closing down.
> >> All best
> >>
> >> Bronac
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