this definition - *other from me, other from my culture, other from my
species* (each of these definitions including and not excluding the other
ones) - could be defined as 'matrioska', is very interesting and reinforce
the idea of an eco-logical approach to reality-nature-subjectivity-culture.
It seems that every approach pointing at a one way vision, as
anthropo(s)-centrism is reductive an not respondent to the sincretic
imperative of our ages.
On regards of this comment and of the Edgar Morin definition we could assume
that the three ways definition-approach, stated by Morin ( La méthode .
L'Humanité de l'humanité, l'identité humaine , 2001): *1. human being, 2.
individual, 3. part of the society* , could be taken in consideration at the
same time as part of same problem: Humankind. So I propose to do not
complexify the problem and to speak about Cultural Narcissism with a
comprehensivistic view that comprehend the three ways stated by Morin.
Indeed is interesting this recurrent of the number three. So human for some
cultural reason....we could look to other different species if there would
be some different recurrent number in their 'culture'...
Francesco
2010/4/23 Amos Bianchi <amos.bianchi@naba.it>
> Dear Francesco,
>
> here below my post.
>
> Amos
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> At the opening of yout thread, the narcissism seems to be related to
> humankind but, in a following step, it suddenly becomes part of the essence
> of the individual. I think it could be useful to approach the topic of the
> "anthropos" in three ways, according to what has been stated by Morin ( La
> méthode . L'Humanité de l'humanité, l'identité humaine , 2001): anthropos as
> 1. human being, 2. individual, 3. part of the society. By this complex
> approach the risk to shift from a concept of the anthropos to another one
> (i.e., from humankind to individual), because all the concepts, and the
> derived reciprocal feedbacks, must be taken in consideration at the same
> time. Moreover, even if the language seems to be just a property of the
> anthropos (see Maturana and Varela, Autopoiesis and Cognition , 1991)
> differentiating it from other living beings, the biblical domination of the
> man on the nature is passed over, in order to get a new relation with the
> other that assumes at least three different meanings: other from me, other
> from my culture, other from my species, each of these definitions including
> (and not excluding) the other ones.
>
> ----- Messaggio originale -----
> Da: "roger malina" <rmalina@alum.mit.edu>
> A: "YASMIN DISCUSSIONS" <Yasmin_discussions@estia.media.uoa.gr>
> Inviato: Mercoledì, 21 aprile 2010 11:05:50
> Oggetto: [Yasmin_discussions] Narcissism and Anthropocentrism
>
> Francesco
>
> Your example about Toxoplasma Gondii is about the importance of parasitic
> protozoa and I think is one good place to re think about
> anthropocentrism as most
> of the life forms on this planet are not primates or in close systems
> interaction
> with primates. Yet we are obsessed by primates as part of the cultural
> narcissism
> you describe.
>
> Ramon Guardans, in his essay " On Plant Physics: the silent power of
> waiting"
> argues that we should look at plants and their functioning as a useful
> way of re-thinking
>
> http://www.imera.fr/images/stories/PDF/ramon_guardans.pdf
>
> This paper is based on a remarkable book by Karl J. Niklas : Plant
> Allometry.
> The Scaling of Form and Process (U Chicago Press 1994)
> and introduces some of it to the reader. This paper argues that it
> would be useful to pay
> more theoretical, artistic, and scientific
> attention to the way plants grow and reproduce, use resources and
> dispose of waste over space,
> time and scale. We shal
> l argue that many aspects of our social behaviour are closer to plant
> strategies over
> the long range rather than shaped by
> urgencies of ambitious predators , these exist but are just a part of
> how change
> in living lineages come about. Other forms
> of interaction are relevant too.
> Summarising and commenting on Niklas's work, we draw attention to some
> distinctive
> aspects of the physics and biology
> of plants, regretting implicitly that not more of this work is in
> progress and accessible
> when considering long - term life processes
> The consideration of these issues is also applied to comment on the praise
> Charles Darwin deserves and how the poor man
> has been abused.
>
>
> Ramon, are you following this discussion ? maybe you would like to comment
> !!
>
> Roger
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