Re: [Yasmin_discussions] art science and the city

Roger, Robert,

Yes, i agree with you that homogeneity is not a desirable objective, for
sure. For me was fresh air to participate in a confernece with very
different disciplines and with lots of different trends to perform the
talks. But when many people from different disciplines came together, they
are mediated by their "languaje", "mode", which is adapted from its own
discipline. And this could make some missunderstandings by itself. The
solution would be not to homogeneizate all the talks with the same form,
but may be to understand why has this form/mode/use of languaje. For
example:

One participant, who cames from Phylosophy, read a paper. I never seen this
in my field (Physics). However, i understood that, even this would be an
error in physics, this is the perfect talk for phylosopy. Why?, because in
phylosophy you are presenting a pure thinking (we can use the music "mode"
metaphore as "unpluged thinking!!"), and the words are the tools for the
thinking, so each word, and no other, must be selected by their precise
meaning. In science i can use many words, the important thing is the data
and the experiment, but i can capture it with many different words.
However, as reading is a difficult to follow technique, for the audience,
there are different techniques for reading and to involucrate to the
audience. This participant selects an special voice, very charm, and
delicate. This voice was so seductive, that helps a lot to get in touch
with the thinking. However, i can not imaging this kind of talk in a, for
example, Optics and Sensors Devices conference. Which is not bad, is only
different by their different needs.

Another thing. In the conference, here yes, like all the conferences, were
some problems with the timing. Michele Emmer said that in a political
context for the most important speachs it is used only 5 min. This is, for
me, another example for the different needs for different
modes/disciplines/subjetcs. I think 5 mins would be good for explicit
political contexts, because it is needed clear sentences and very well
known discurses. However, in a more scientific escenacrio may be it is
needed more time to present a discurse with meanings. May be it is needed
some time to offer a detailed description, and a "route" for the thinking.
So even Time would be a parameter that could define the signs and the needs
for the discipline of the talk.

May be to understand these differences could act as a vehicle to understand
some aspects of the different disciplines, but not in a way to make it
homogeneos, but to understand between us, and so, exchange and collaborate.


2013/12/25 roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu>

> guillermo , robert
>
> am going to pick up on your exchange on 'modes of discourse"- as guillermo
> pointed out in the art science and city conference in Bilbao
> http://www.artsciencecity.com/?lang=en
> there were talks from architects, artists, urbanists, humanists and
> scientists- and indeed
> their way of developing and presenting their arguments varied- various
> 'discourses"
>
> i have just been asked by judy malloy to develop an article on how the
> leonardo
> community of practice developed the use of digital and on line media -
> particularly
> before the web- in our case the disruptive technology was desk top
> publishing
> which we started using in the mid 1980s but then with ray lauzzana in
> 1987/8
> started on line discussion/news groups on arpanet etc before
> internet-- and now 99% of our
> audience is on line and never sees our print products
>
> judy malloy is teaching a course at princeton on Social Media:
> History, Poetics, and Practice
>
>
> http://registrar.princeton.edu/course-offerings/course_details.xml?courseid=012458&term=1142
>
> the art and technology community because they were creating art using
> digital media
> also develop new modes of on line discourse to present and discuss
> their work-this
> happened much later in the humanities or urban studies- i think for
> example of
> galloway and rabinowicz electronic cafe
>
> http://18thstreet.org/public-programs/past-exhibitions-events/collaboration-labs/kit-galloway-sherrie-rabinowitz-electronic-cafe-international
> and in 1991 leonardo published art and interactive telecommunications
> edited by carl loeffler and roy ascott
> which documented much of the work in the 1980s
>
> the new media curating list
> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A0=new-media-curating
> just finished a really interesting discussion around the curating
> issues and documenting the work
> in the 1970s and 1980s that were pre web- but also the early web art
>
> things are accelerating again now with the development of various
> forms of 'grey literature'- but also
> open access publishing- and the ways that both artists present and
> document their work is evolving
> rapidly- we forget that the classic format of the scientific paper is
> very recent- and that artists writing about
> their own work ( which leonardo journal championed) is a relatively
> recent development in the art world
>
> so i think guillermo makes a good point that in these cross
> disciplinary conferences like art
> science and the city- we did see very different styles of arguing and
> presenting, differing
> rhetorical approaches from artists, urban planners, humanits,
> historians, scientists- that this
> diversity of approaches is valuable in itself as robert thill pointed
> out we should not be seeking
> to make modes of thought-and presentation- homogeneous
>
> roger malina
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 5:05 PM, robert thill <robert.thill@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Roger,
> >
> >
> > Guillermo,
> >
> > Your interpretation of modes of communication has been lampooned by
> > many. However, I think it is very helpful to hear your perception of
> > it when it is mixed at one conference. To me, the idea of
> > communication becoming "explicit discourse" is more interesting than
> > it becoming homogenous.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Robert Thill
> >
> >
> >
>
> >>
> >> 2013/12/18 ciencia pirata <piratas.de.la.ciencia@gmail.com>
> >>
> >>> Roger,
> >>>
> >>> This is a great idea. I have some minimal comments:
> >>>
> >>> 1) It was amazing that this was the first conference for me where the
> >>> communication by itself was transdisciplinary. I mean, the own
> >>> lectures/talks uses different communication skils and techniques just
> >>> because different disciplines have different languajes and signs.
> >>> (Phylosophy = reading with voice entonation; Ciencie = visual schemes
> >>> with
> >>> very direct languaje; Arts: More interactive talks with videos). For
> me,
> >>> at
> >>> the firs sight, i understood as "errors", beacuse i´m used to see only
> >>> one
> >>> tipe of talk, but i understanded that each discipline have its own
> tools,
> >>> and just for this needs different communication strategies. So, in
> >>> conclusion, this conference, for me, was mediated by another
> discipline,
> >>> which is communication. This is obvious, but if we push it into
> explicit
> >>> discurse i think we can stablish more rigorous and powerfull exchanges.
> >>>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Let´s follow,
> >>>
> >>> Guillermo.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2013/12/17 roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu>
> >>>
> >>> > guillermo
> >>> >
> >>> > it was great to see you and other yasminers at the
> >>> > first Art Science and the City conference
> >>> >
> >>> > http://www.artsciencecity.com/?lang=en
> >>> >
> >>> > that was held last week in Bilbao.
> >>> >
> >>> > As i understand it Valencia may host the second conference
> >>> > in two years.
> >>> >
> >>> > I thought it might be interesting if we shared our impressions
> >>> > and reactions to the conference ? any particular things stand out /
> >>> >
> >>> > For me - one of the interests of the conference was that it was
> >>> > dominated
> >>> > by the architects and urban studies professionals and activists- i
> dont
> >>> > often
> >>> > interact with those professions
> >>> >
> >>> > I expected more discussion of the on line world as a public space and
> >>> > what the architecture and design issues are- most studies of on line
> >>> > behaviour
> >>> > show that we carry over on line our habits and practices from the
> >>> > physical world-
> >>> > but maybe that there is even more segregation- homophily - on line
> >>> > that in physical
> >>> > spaces
> >>> >
> >>> > several papers of course discussed how computer aided design has
> become
> >>> > a
> >>> > source of new ideas in architecture- particularly the work of
> unstudio
> >>> > http://www.unstudio.com/
> >>> > where caroline bos presented their work
> >>> > their work in knowldge sharing is interesting and it connected
> >>> > to my own talk where i talked about open observatories and open data
> >>> >
> >>> > roger malina
> >>> >
> >>> > KNOWLEDGE SHARING IN KNOWLEDGE PLATFORMS
> >>> >
> >>> > Since the founding of the practice, UNStudio has been developing
> >>> > design knowledge as a result of combining the designing and building
> >>> > of projects with an active participation in architectural theory. In
> >>> > 2008, following a continued interest in geometry, digital production,
> >>> > material effects and attainable design solutions, this communal
> >>> > knowledge led to the introduction of knowledge platforms to the
> >>> > studio.
> >>> > Whilst the primary objective of our project teams is to deliver the
> >>> > 'result' of architectural thinking (buildings, plans, designs), the
> >>> > objective of the knowledge platforms is to distill knowledge from
> >>> > within the practice of architecture in order to propel design
> thinking
> >>> > and innovation.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >>> > From: Guillermo Muñoz <m.m.guillermo@gmail.com>
> >>> > Date: Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 4:26 PM
> >>> > Subject: [Yasmin: This week Yasmin moderator
> >>> > To: YASMIN ANNOUNCEMENTS <Yasmin_announcements@estia.media.uoa.gr>
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Dear Yasminers,
> >>> >
> >>> > I´m happy to be your Yasmin moderator along this week.
> >>> >
> >>> > I would like to offer to all new subscribers to present themselves
> and
> >>> > their related work to the art/sci context.
> >>> >
> >>> > I woud be happy to answer any doubt or try to solve any problem along
> >>> > the
> >>> > following week.
> >>> >
> >>> > Finally i just want to remeber to the list that some of us meet last
> >>> > week
> >>> > at Bilbao in the Art, Science and City congres, and was a delightly
> >>> > time
> >>> to
> >>> > meet and discuss some of the ideas concerning the advantages and
> >>> > difficulties to work in this networked area. We get a really
> motivated,
> >>> > inspirational and charm session and talks.
> >>> >
> >>> > All the best from Valencia and best whishes for the following
> hollydays
> >>> > days,
> >>> >
> >>> > Guillermo Muñoz.
> >>> > _______________________________________________
> >>> >
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Re: [Yasmin_discussions] art science and the city

guillermo , robert

am going to pick up on your exchange on 'modes of discourse"- as guillermo
pointed out in the art science and city conference in Bilbao
http://www.artsciencecity.com/?lang=en
there were talks from architects, artists, urbanists, humanists and
scientists- and indeed
their way of developing and presenting their arguments varied- various
'discourses"

i have just been asked by judy malloy to develop an article on how the leonardo
community of practice developed the use of digital and on line media -
particularly
before the web- in our case the disruptive technology was desk top publishing
which we started using in the mid 1980s but then with ray lauzzana in 1987/8
started on line discussion/news groups on arpanet etc before
internet-- and now 99% of our
audience is on line and never sees our print products

judy malloy is teaching a course at princeton on Social Media:
History, Poetics, and Practice

http://registrar.princeton.edu/course-offerings/course_details.xml?courseid=012458&term=1142

the art and technology community because they were creating art using
digital media
also develop new modes of on line discourse to present and discuss
their work-this
happened much later in the humanities or urban studies- i think for example of
galloway and rabinowicz electronic cafe
http://18thstreet.org/public-programs/past-exhibitions-events/collaboration-labs/kit-galloway-sherrie-rabinowitz-electronic-cafe-international
and in 1991 leonardo published art and interactive telecommunications
edited by carl loeffler and roy ascott
which documented much of the work in the 1980s

the new media curating list
https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A0=new-media-curating
just finished a really interesting discussion around the curating
issues and documenting the work
in the 1970s and 1980s that were pre web- but also the early web art

things are accelerating again now with the development of various
forms of 'grey literature'- but also
open access publishing- and the ways that both artists present and
document their work is evolving
rapidly- we forget that the classic format of the scientific paper is
very recent- and that artists writing about
their own work ( which leonardo journal championed) is a relatively
recent development in the art world

so i think guillermo makes a good point that in these cross
disciplinary conferences like art
science and the city- we did see very different styles of arguing and
presenting, differing
rhetorical approaches from artists, urban planners, humanits,
historians, scientists- that this
diversity of approaches is valuable in itself as robert thill pointed
out we should not be seeking
to make modes of thought-and presentation- homogeneous

roger malina



On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 5:05 PM, robert thill <robert.thill@gmail.com> wrote:
> Roger,
>
>
> Guillermo,
>
> Your interpretation of modes of communication has been lampooned by
> many. However, I think it is very helpful to hear your perception of
> it when it is mixed at one conference. To me, the idea of
> communication becoming "explicit discourse" is more interesting than
> it becoming homogenous.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Robert Thill
>
>
>

>>
>> 2013/12/18 ciencia pirata <piratas.de.la.ciencia@gmail.com>
>>
>>> Roger,
>>>
>>> This is a great idea. I have some minimal comments:
>>>
>>> 1) It was amazing that this was the first conference for me where the
>>> communication by itself was transdisciplinary. I mean, the own
>>> lectures/talks uses different communication skils and techniques just
>>> because different disciplines have different languajes and signs.
>>> (Phylosophy = reading with voice entonation; Ciencie = visual schemes
>>> with
>>> very direct languaje; Arts: More interactive talks with videos). For me,
>>> at
>>> the firs sight, i understood as "errors", beacuse i´m used to see only
>>> one
>>> tipe of talk, but i understanded that each discipline have its own tools,
>>> and just for this needs different communication strategies. So, in
>>> conclusion, this conference, for me, was mediated by another discipline,
>>> which is communication. This is obvious, but if we push it into explicit
>>> discurse i think we can stablish more rigorous and powerfull exchanges.
>>>
>>
>>>
>>> Let´s follow,
>>>
>>> Guillermo.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/12/17 roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu>
>>>
>>> > guillermo
>>> >
>>> > it was great to see you and other yasminers at the
>>> > first Art Science and the City conference
>>> >
>>> > http://www.artsciencecity.com/?lang=en
>>> >
>>> > that was held last week in Bilbao.
>>> >
>>> > As i understand it Valencia may host the second conference
>>> > in two years.
>>> >
>>> > I thought it might be interesting if we shared our impressions
>>> > and reactions to the conference ? any particular things stand out /
>>> >
>>> > For me - one of the interests of the conference was that it was
>>> > dominated
>>> > by the architects and urban studies professionals and activists- i dont
>>> > often
>>> > interact with those professions
>>> >
>>> > I expected more discussion of the on line world as a public space and
>>> > what the architecture and design issues are- most studies of on line
>>> > behaviour
>>> > show that we carry over on line our habits and practices from the
>>> > physical world-
>>> > but maybe that there is even more segregation- homophily - on line
>>> > that in physical
>>> > spaces
>>> >
>>> > several papers of course discussed how computer aided design has become
>>> > a
>>> > source of new ideas in architecture- particularly the work of unstudio
>>> > http://www.unstudio.com/
>>> > where caroline bos presented their work
>>> > their work in knowldge sharing is interesting and it connected
>>> > to my own talk where i talked about open observatories and open data
>>> >
>>> > roger malina
>>> >
>>> > KNOWLEDGE SHARING IN KNOWLEDGE PLATFORMS
>>> >
>>> > Since the founding of the practice, UNStudio has been developing
>>> > design knowledge as a result of combining the designing and building
>>> > of projects with an active participation in architectural theory. In
>>> > 2008, following a continued interest in geometry, digital production,
>>> > material effects and attainable design solutions, this communal
>>> > knowledge led to the introduction of knowledge platforms to the
>>> > studio.
>>> > Whilst the primary objective of our project teams is to deliver the
>>> > 'result' of architectural thinking (buildings, plans, designs), the
>>> > objective of the knowledge platforms is to distill knowledge from
>>> > within the practice of architecture in order to propel design thinking
>>> > and innovation.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> > From: Guillermo Muñoz <m.m.guillermo@gmail.com>
>>> > Date: Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 4:26 PM
>>> > Subject: [Yasmin: This week Yasmin moderator
>>> > To: YASMIN ANNOUNCEMENTS <Yasmin_announcements@estia.media.uoa.gr>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Dear Yasminers,
>>> >
>>> > I´m happy to be your Yasmin moderator along this week.
>>> >
>>> > I would like to offer to all new subscribers to present themselves and
>>> > their related work to the art/sci context.
>>> >
>>> > I woud be happy to answer any doubt or try to solve any problem along
>>> > the
>>> > following week.
>>> >
>>> > Finally i just want to remeber to the list that some of us meet last
>>> > week
>>> > at Bilbao in the Art, Science and City congres, and was a delightly
>>> > time
>>> to
>>> > meet and discuss some of the ideas concerning the advantages and
>>> > difficulties to work in this networked area. We get a really motivated,
>>> > inspirational and charm session and talks.
>>> >
>>> > All the best from Valencia and best whishes for the following hollydays
>>> > days,
>>> >
>>> > Guillermo Muñoz.
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > Yasmin_discussions mailing list
>>> > Yasmin_discussions@estia.media.uoa.gr
>>> > http://estia.media.uoa.gr/mailman/listinfo/yasmin_discussions
>>> >
>>> > Yasmin URL: http://www.media.uoa.gr/yasmin
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Clarissa Ribeiro
>> www.clarissaribeiro.com
>> UCLA Art|Sci Fulbright Post-doctoral Research Scholar
>> art.sci.ucla.edu <http://artsci.ucla.edu/>
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Re: [Yasmin_discussions] art science and the city

Roger,

While I did not attend the conference, I am interested to join the discussion.

Based on what I am seeing in the U.S. I would say to prepare yourself
for more interactions with architecture and urban studies
professionals and activists. While they can be a misunderstood tribe,
you will find that they are deeply involved in cross-disciplinary work
and discoveries. A dean at the University of Michigan's school of
architecture was involved in the NSF/NEA meetings related to SEAD.
Many of their ambitions permeate beyond what might be considered
traditional areas of their fields.

Guillermo,

Your interpretation of modes of communication has been lampooned by
many. However, I think it is very helpful to hear your perception of
it when it is mixed at one conference. To me, the idea of
communication becoming "explicit discourse" is more interesting than
it becoming homogenous.

Thanks,

Robert Thill

On 12/20/13, Clarissa Ribeiro <almeida.clarissa@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Yasminers,
>
> It is inspiring to hear about the conference. Hope I can join you next year
> and share my way to work in-between.
> Happy holidays to all,
>
> Clarissa
> < at the moment a Fulbright postdoctoral research scholar at the UCLA Art |
> Sci Center + Lab, conected to the CNSI - California NanoSystems
> Institute./>
>
> --
> Clarissa Ribeiro
> www.clarissaribeiro.com
> UCLA Art|Sci Fulbright Post-doctoral Research Scholar
> art.sci.ucla.edu <http://artsci.ucla.edu/>
>
>
> 2013/12/18 ciencia pirata <piratas.de.la.ciencia@gmail.com>
>
>> Roger,
>>
>> This is a great idea. I have some minimal comments:
>>
>> 1) It was amazing that this was the first conference for me where the
>> communication by itself was transdisciplinary. I mean, the own
>> lectures/talks uses different communication skils and techniques just
>> because different disciplines have different languajes and signs.
>> (Phylosophy = reading with voice entonation; Ciencie = visual schemes
>> with
>> very direct languaje; Arts: More interactive talks with videos). For me,
>> at
>> the firs sight, i understood as "errors", beacuse i´m used to see only
>> one
>> tipe of talk, but i understanded that each discipline have its own tools,
>> and just for this needs different communication strategies. So, in
>> conclusion, this conference, for me, was mediated by another discipline,
>> which is communication. This is obvious, but if we push it into explicit
>> discurse i think we can stablish more rigorous and powerfull exchanges.
>>
>> 2) For me it was surprising that the idea of city was extremly criticied
>> by
>> the local representants. In fact, some of them said that all the cities
>> have the same characteristics. Afterwards i was walking thorugh Bilbao,
>> and
>> i just get amazed from this city. So, for sure i understand that research
>> must be on the avantgarde of the discipline, but, as Roger said in one
>> round table, always is possible to choose a negative or positive
>> interpretation. I found Bilbao, as many other cities, as an space for
>> chances (of course always reality is complex and difficult), but even
>> with
>> this is amazing the energy, the culture and the people doing things. So,
>> i
>> think this field of interaction must recover this sense of participation.
>> Which is easy to say, and extremly difficult to do it.
>>
>> Let´s follow,
>>
>> Guillermo.
>>
>>
>> 2013/12/17 roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu>
>>
>> > guillermo
>> >
>> > it was great to see you and other yasminers at the
>> > first Art Science and the City conference
>> >
>> > http://www.artsciencecity.com/?lang=en
>> >
>> > that was held last week in Bilbao.
>> >
>> > As i understand it Valencia may host the second conference
>> > in two years.
>> >
>> > I thought it might be interesting if we shared our impressions
>> > and reactions to the conference ? any particular things stand out /
>> >
>> > For me - one of the interests of the conference was that it was
>> > dominated
>> > by the architects and urban studies professionals and activists- i dont
>> > often
>> > interact with those professions
>> >
>> > I expected more discussion of the on line world as a public space and
>> > what the architecture and design issues are- most studies of on line
>> > behaviour
>> > show that we carry over on line our habits and practices from the
>> > physical world-
>> > but maybe that there is even more segregation- homophily - on line
>> > that in physical
>> > spaces
>> >
>> > several papers of course discussed how computer aided design has become
>> > a
>> > source of new ideas in architecture- particularly the work of unstudio
>> > http://www.unstudio.com/
>> > where caroline bos presented their work
>> > their work in knowldge sharing is interesting and it connected
>> > to my own talk where i talked about open observatories and open data
>> >
>> > roger malina
>> >
>> > KNOWLEDGE SHARING IN KNOWLEDGE PLATFORMS
>> >
>> > Since the founding of the practice, UNStudio has been developing
>> > design knowledge as a result of combining the designing and building
>> > of projects with an active participation in architectural theory. In
>> > 2008, following a continued interest in geometry, digital production,
>> > material effects and attainable design solutions, this communal
>> > knowledge led to the introduction of knowledge platforms to the
>> > studio.
>> > Whilst the primary objective of our project teams is to deliver the
>> > 'result' of architectural thinking (buildings, plans, designs), the
>> > objective of the knowledge platforms is to distill knowledge from
>> > within the practice of architecture in order to propel design thinking
>> > and innovation.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> > From: Guillermo Muñoz <m.m.guillermo@gmail.com>
>> > Date: Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 4:26 PM
>> > Subject: [Yasmin: This week Yasmin moderator
>> > To: YASMIN ANNOUNCEMENTS <Yasmin_announcements@estia.media.uoa.gr>
>> >
>> >
>> > Dear Yasminers,
>> >
>> > I´m happy to be your Yasmin moderator along this week.
>> >
>> > I would like to offer to all new subscribers to present themselves and
>> > their related work to the art/sci context.
>> >
>> > I woud be happy to answer any doubt or try to solve any problem along
>> > the
>> > following week.
>> >
>> > Finally i just want to remeber to the list that some of us meet last
>> > week
>> > at Bilbao in the Art, Science and City congres, and was a delightly
>> > time
>> to
>> > meet and discuss some of the ideas concerning the advantages and
>> > difficulties to work in this networked area. We get a really motivated,
>> > inspirational and charm session and talks.
>> >
>> > All the best from Valencia and best whishes for the following hollydays
>> > days,
>> >
>> > Guillermo Muñoz.
>> > _______________________________________________
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
> --
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> UCLA Art|Sci Fulbright Post-doctoral Research Scholar
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Re: [Yasmin_discussions] art science and the city

Dear Yasminers,

It is inspiring to hear about the conference. Hope I can join you next year
and share my way to work in-between.
Happy holidays to all,

Clarissa
< at the moment a Fulbright postdoctoral research scholar at the UCLA Art |
Sci Center + Lab, conected to the CNSI - California NanoSystems Institute./>

--
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www.clarissaribeiro.com
UCLA Art|Sci Fulbright Post-doctoral Research Scholar
art.sci.ucla.edu <http://artsci.ucla.edu/>


2013/12/18 ciencia pirata <piratas.de.la.ciencia@gmail.com>

> Roger,
>
> This is a great idea. I have some minimal comments:
>
> 1) It was amazing that this was the first conference for me where the
> communication by itself was transdisciplinary. I mean, the own
> lectures/talks uses different communication skils and techniques just
> because different disciplines have different languajes and signs.
> (Phylosophy = reading with voice entonation; Ciencie = visual schemes with
> very direct languaje; Arts: More interactive talks with videos). For me, at
> the firs sight, i understood as "errors", beacuse i´m used to see only one
> tipe of talk, but i understanded that each discipline have its own tools,
> and just for this needs different communication strategies. So, in
> conclusion, this conference, for me, was mediated by another discipline,
> which is communication. This is obvious, but if we push it into explicit
> discurse i think we can stablish more rigorous and powerfull exchanges.
>
> 2) For me it was surprising that the idea of city was extremly criticied by
> the local representants. In fact, some of them said that all the cities
> have the same characteristics. Afterwards i was walking thorugh Bilbao, and
> i just get amazed from this city. So, for sure i understand that research
> must be on the avantgarde of the discipline, but, as Roger said in one
> round table, always is possible to choose a negative or positive
> interpretation. I found Bilbao, as many other cities, as an space for
> chances (of course always reality is complex and difficult), but even with
> this is amazing the energy, the culture and the people doing things. So, i
> think this field of interaction must recover this sense of participation.
> Which is easy to say, and extremly difficult to do it.
>
> Let´s follow,
>
> Guillermo.
>
>
> 2013/12/17 roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu>
>
> > guillermo
> >
> > it was great to see you and other yasminers at the
> > first Art Science and the City conference
> >
> > http://www.artsciencecity.com/?lang=en
> >
> > that was held last week in Bilbao.
> >
> > As i understand it Valencia may host the second conference
> > in two years.
> >
> > I thought it might be interesting if we shared our impressions
> > and reactions to the conference ? any particular things stand out /
> >
> > For me - one of the interests of the conference was that it was dominated
> > by the architects and urban studies professionals and activists- i dont
> > often
> > interact with those professions
> >
> > I expected more discussion of the on line world as a public space and
> > what the architecture and design issues are- most studies of on line
> > behaviour
> > show that we carry over on line our habits and practices from the
> > physical world-
> > but maybe that there is even more segregation- homophily - on line
> > that in physical
> > spaces
> >
> > several papers of course discussed how computer aided design has become a
> > source of new ideas in architecture- particularly the work of unstudio
> > http://www.unstudio.com/
> > where caroline bos presented their work
> > their work in knowldge sharing is interesting and it connected
> > to my own talk where i talked about open observatories and open data
> >
> > roger malina
> >
> > KNOWLEDGE SHARING IN KNOWLEDGE PLATFORMS
> >
> > Since the founding of the practice, UNStudio has been developing
> > design knowledge as a result of combining the designing and building
> > of projects with an active participation in architectural theory. In
> > 2008, following a continued interest in geometry, digital production,
> > material effects and attainable design solutions, this communal
> > knowledge led to the introduction of knowledge platforms to the
> > studio.
> > Whilst the primary objective of our project teams is to deliver the
> > 'result' of architectural thinking (buildings, plans, designs), the
> > objective of the knowledge platforms is to distill knowledge from
> > within the practice of architecture in order to propel design thinking
> > and innovation.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Guillermo Muñoz <m.m.guillermo@gmail.com>
> > Date: Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 4:26 PM
> > Subject: [Yasmin: This week Yasmin moderator
> > To: YASMIN ANNOUNCEMENTS <Yasmin_announcements@estia.media.uoa.gr>
> >
> >
> > Dear Yasminers,
> >
> > I´m happy to be your Yasmin moderator along this week.
> >
> > I would like to offer to all new subscribers to present themselves and
> > their related work to the art/sci context.
> >
> > I woud be happy to answer any doubt or try to solve any problem along the
> > following week.
> >
> > Finally i just want to remeber to the list that some of us meet last week
> > at Bilbao in the Art, Science and City congres, and was a delightly time
> to
> > meet and discuss some of the ideas concerning the advantages and
> > difficulties to work in this networked area. We get a really motivated,
> > inspirational and charm session and talks.
> >
> > All the best from Valencia and best whishes for the following hollydays
> > days,
> >
> > Guillermo Muñoz.
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Yasmin_discussions mailing list
> > Yasmin_discussions@estia.media.uoa.gr
> > http://estia.media.uoa.gr/mailman/listinfo/yasmin_discussions
> >
> > Yasmin URL: http://www.media.uoa.gr/yasmin
> >
> > HOW TO SUBSCRIBE: click on the link to the list you wish to subscribe to.
> > In the page that will appear ("info page"), enter e-mail address, name,
> and
> > password in the fields found further down the page.
> > HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE: on the info page, scroll all the way down and enter
> > your e-mail address in the last field. Enter password if asked. Click on
> > the unsubscribe button on the page that will appear ("options page").
> > HOW TO ENABLE / DISABLE DIGEST MODE: in the options page, find the "Set
> > Digest Mode" option and set it to either on or off.
> >
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UCLA Art|Sci Fulbright Post-doctoral Research Scholar
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Re: [Yasmin_discussions] art science and the city

Roger and Guillermo and all friends that came to the conference last
week in Bilbao,

It has been a great pleasure to share this conference with you!

All my best wishes for the season and looking forward to meeting you again!

Cristina


El 17/12/13 09:48, roger malina escribió:
> guillermo
>
> it was great to see you and other yasminers at the
> first Art Science and the City conference
>
> http://www.artsciencecity.com/?lang=en
>
> that was held last week in Bilbao.
>
> As i understand it Valencia may host the second conference
> in two years.
>
> I thought it might be interesting if we shared our impressions
> and reactions to the conference ? any particular things stand out /
>
> For me - one of the interests of the conference was that it was dominated
> by the architects and urban studies professionals and activists- i dont often
> interact with those professions
>
> I expected more discussion of the on line world as a public space and
> what the architecture and design issues are- most studies of on line behaviour
> show that we carry over on line our habits and practices from the
> physical world-
> but maybe that there is even more segregation- homophily - on line
> that in physical
> spaces
>
> several papers of course discussed how computer aided design has become a
> source of new ideas in architecture- particularly the work of unstudio
> http://www.unstudio.com/
> where caroline bos presented their work
> their work in knowldge sharing is interesting and it connected
> to my own talk where i talked about open observatories and open data
>
> roger malina
>
> KNOWLEDGE SHARING IN KNOWLEDGE PLATFORMS
>
> Since the founding of the practice, UNStudio has been developing
> design knowledge as a result of combining the designing and building
> of projects with an active participation in architectural theory. In
> 2008, following a continued interest in geometry, digital production,
> material effects and attainable design solutions, this communal
> knowledge led to the introduction of knowledge platforms to the
> studio.
> Whilst the primary objective of our project teams is to deliver the
> 'result' of architectural thinking (buildings, plans, designs), the
> objective of the knowledge platforms is to distill knowledge from
> within the practice of architecture in order to propel design thinking
> and innovation.
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Guillermo Muñoz <m.m.guillermo@gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 4:26 PM
> Subject: [Yasmin: This week Yasmin moderator
> To: YASMIN ANNOUNCEMENTS <Yasmin_announcements@estia.media.uoa.gr>
>
>
> Dear Yasminers,
>
> I´m happy to be your Yasmin moderator along this week.
>
> I would like to offer to all new subscribers to present themselves and
> their related work to the art/sci context.
>
> I woud be happy to answer any doubt or try to solve any problem along the
> following week.
>
> Finally i just want to remeber to the list that some of us meet last week
> at Bilbao in the Art, Science and City congres, and was a delightly time to
> meet and discuss some of the ideas concerning the advantages and
> difficulties to work in this networked area. We get a really motivated,
> inspirational and charm session and talks.
>
> All the best from Valencia and best whishes for the following hollydays
> days,
>
> Guillermo Muñoz.
> _______________________________________________
>
> _______________________________________________
> Yasmin_discussions mailing list
> Yasmin_discussions@estia.media.uoa.gr
> http://estia.media.uoa.gr/mailman/listinfo/yasmin_discussions
>
> Yasmin URL: http://www.media.uoa.gr/yasmin
>
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Re: [Yasmin_discussions] art science and the city

>>Guillermo's global-wave segue is timely- beyond 2014.


"I found Bilbao, as many other cities, as an space for

chances (of course always reality is complex and difficult), but even with

this is amazing the energy, the culture and the people doing things. So, i

think this field of interaction must recover this sense of participation.

Which is easy to say, and extremly difficult to do it."


Sorry I could not participate in your essential artsciencecity.


However, we are all concurrently with you.


leif BRUSH


On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 4:33 AM, ciencia pirata <
piratas.de.la.ciencia@gmail.com> wrote:

> Roger,
>
> This is a great idea. I have some minimal comments:
>
> 1) It was amazing that this was the first conference for me where the
> communication by itself was transdisciplinary. I mean, the own
> lectures/talks uses different communication skils and techniques just
> because different disciplines have different languajes and signs.
> (Phylosophy = reading with voice entonation; Ciencie = visual schemes with
> very direct languaje; Arts: More interactive talks with videos). For me, at
> the firs sight, i understood as "errors", beacuse i´m used to see only one
> tipe of talk, but i understanded that each discipline have its own tools,
> and just for this needs different communication strategies. So, in
> conclusion, this conference, for me, was mediated by another discipline,
> which is communication. This is obvious, but if we push it into explicit
> discurse i think we can stablish more rigorous and powerfull exchanges.
>
> 2) For me it was surprising that the idea of city was extremly criticied by
> the local representants. In fact, some of them said that all the cities
> have the same characteristics. Afterwards i was walking thorugh Bilbao, and
> i just get amazed from this city. So, for sure i understand that research
> must be on the avantgarde of the discipline, but, as Roger said in one
> round table, always is possible to choose a negative or positive
> interpretation. I found Bilbao, as many other cities, as an space for
> chances (of course always reality is complex and difficult), but even with
> this is amazing the energy, the culture and the people doing things. So, i
> think this field of interaction must recover this sense of participation.
> Which is easy to say, and extremly difficult to do it.
>
> Let´s follow,
>
> Guillermo.
>
>
> 2013/12/17 roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu>
>
> > guillermo
> >
> > it was great to see you and other yasminers at the
> > first Art Science and the City conference
> >
> > http://www.artsciencecity.com/?lang=en
> >
> > that was held last week in Bilbao.
> >
> > As i understand it Valencia may host the second conference
> > in two years.
> >
> > I thought it might be interesting if we shared our impressions
> > and reactions to the conference ? any particular things stand out /
> >
> > For me - one of the interests of the conference was that it was dominated
> > by the architects and urban studies professionals and activists- i dont
> > often
> > interact with those professions
> >
> > I expected more discussion of the on line world as a public space and
> > what the architecture and design issues are- most studies of on line
> > behaviour
> > show that we carry over on line our habits and practices from the
> > physical world-
> > but maybe that there is even more segregation- homophily - on line
> > that in physical
> > spaces
> >
> > several papers of course discussed how computer aided design has become a
> > source of new ideas in architecture- particularly the work of unstudio
> > http://www.unstudio.com/
> > where caroline bos presented their work
> > their work in knowldge sharing is interesting and it connected
> > to my own talk where i talked about open observatories and open data
> >
> > roger malina
> >
> > KNOWLEDGE SHARING IN KNOWLEDGE PLATFORMS
> >
> > Since the founding of the practice, UNStudio has been developing
> > design knowledge as a result of combining the designing and building
> > of projects with an active participation in architectural theory. In
> > 2008, following a continued interest in geometry, digital production,
> > material effects and attainable design solutions, this communal
> > knowledge led to the introduction of knowledge platforms to the
> > studio.
> > Whilst the primary objective of our project teams is to deliver the
> > 'result' of architectural thinking (buildings, plans, designs), the
> > objective of the knowledge platforms is to distill knowledge from
> > within the practice of architecture in order to propel design thinking
> > and innovation.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Guillermo Muñoz <m.m.guillermo@gmail.com>
> > Date: Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 4:26 PM
> > Subject: [Yasmin: This week Yasmin moderator
> > To: YASMIN ANNOUNCEMENTS <Yasmin_announcements@estia.media.uoa.gr>
> >
> >
> > Dear Yasminers,
> >
> > I´m happy to be your Yasmin moderator along this week.
> >
> > I would like to offer to all new subscribers to present themselves and
> > their related work to the art/sci context.
> >
> > I woud be happy to answer any doubt or try to solve any problem along the
> > following week.
> >
> > Finally i just want to remeber to the list that some of us meet last week
> > at Bilbao in the Art, Science and City congres, and was a delightly time
> to
> > meet and discuss some of the ideas concerning the advantages and
> > difficulties to work in this networked area. We get a really motivated,
> > inspirational and charm session and talks.
> >
> > All the best from Valencia and best whishes for the following hollydays
> > days,
> >
> > Guillermo Muñoz.
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Re: [Yasmin_discussions] art science and the city

Roger,

This is a great idea. I have some minimal comments:

1) It was amazing that this was the first conference for me where the
communication by itself was transdisciplinary. I mean, the own
lectures/talks uses different communication skils and techniques just
because different disciplines have different languajes and signs.
(Phylosophy = reading with voice entonation; Ciencie = visual schemes with
very direct languaje; Arts: More interactive talks with videos). For me, at
the firs sight, i understood as "errors", beacuse i´m used to see only one
tipe of talk, but i understanded that each discipline have its own tools,
and just for this needs different communication strategies. So, in
conclusion, this conference, for me, was mediated by another discipline,
which is communication. This is obvious, but if we push it into explicit
discurse i think we can stablish more rigorous and powerfull exchanges.

2) For me it was surprising that the idea of city was extremly criticied by
the local representants. In fact, some of them said that all the cities
have the same characteristics. Afterwards i was walking thorugh Bilbao, and
i just get amazed from this city. So, for sure i understand that research
must be on the avantgarde of the discipline, but, as Roger said in one
round table, always is possible to choose a negative or positive
interpretation. I found Bilbao, as many other cities, as an space for
chances (of course always reality is complex and difficult), but even with
this is amazing the energy, the culture and the people doing things. So, i
think this field of interaction must recover this sense of participation.
Which is easy to say, and extremly difficult to do it.

Let´s follow,

Guillermo.


2013/12/17 roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu>

> guillermo
>
> it was great to see you and other yasminers at the
> first Art Science and the City conference
>
> http://www.artsciencecity.com/?lang=en
>
> that was held last week in Bilbao.
>
> As i understand it Valencia may host the second conference
> in two years.
>
> I thought it might be interesting if we shared our impressions
> and reactions to the conference ? any particular things stand out /
>
> For me - one of the interests of the conference was that it was dominated
> by the architects and urban studies professionals and activists- i dont
> often
> interact with those professions
>
> I expected more discussion of the on line world as a public space and
> what the architecture and design issues are- most studies of on line
> behaviour
> show that we carry over on line our habits and practices from the
> physical world-
> but maybe that there is even more segregation- homophily - on line
> that in physical
> spaces
>
> several papers of course discussed how computer aided design has become a
> source of new ideas in architecture- particularly the work of unstudio
> http://www.unstudio.com/
> where caroline bos presented their work
> their work in knowldge sharing is interesting and it connected
> to my own talk where i talked about open observatories and open data
>
> roger malina
>
> KNOWLEDGE SHARING IN KNOWLEDGE PLATFORMS
>
> Since the founding of the practice, UNStudio has been developing
> design knowledge as a result of combining the designing and building
> of projects with an active participation in architectural theory. In
> 2008, following a continued interest in geometry, digital production,
> material effects and attainable design solutions, this communal
> knowledge led to the introduction of knowledge platforms to the
> studio.
> Whilst the primary objective of our project teams is to deliver the
> 'result' of architectural thinking (buildings, plans, designs), the
> objective of the knowledge platforms is to distill knowledge from
> within the practice of architecture in order to propel design thinking
> and innovation.
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Guillermo Muñoz <m.m.guillermo@gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 4:26 PM
> Subject: [Yasmin: This week Yasmin moderator
> To: YASMIN ANNOUNCEMENTS <Yasmin_announcements@estia.media.uoa.gr>
>
>
> Dear Yasminers,
>
> I´m happy to be your Yasmin moderator along this week.
>
> I would like to offer to all new subscribers to present themselves and
> their related work to the art/sci context.
>
> I woud be happy to answer any doubt or try to solve any problem along the
> following week.
>
> Finally i just want to remeber to the list that some of us meet last week
> at Bilbao in the Art, Science and City congres, and was a delightly time to
> meet and discuss some of the ideas concerning the advantages and
> difficulties to work in this networked area. We get a really motivated,
> inspirational and charm session and talks.
>
> All the best from Valencia and best whishes for the following hollydays
> days,
>
> Guillermo Muñoz.
> _______________________________________________
>
> _______________________________________________
> Yasmin_discussions mailing list
> Yasmin_discussions@estia.media.uoa.gr
> http://estia.media.uoa.gr/mailman/listinfo/yasmin_discussions
>
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[Yasmin_discussions] art science and the city

guillermo

it was great to see you and other yasminers at the
first Art Science and the City conference

http://www.artsciencecity.com/?lang=en

that was held last week in Bilbao.

As i understand it Valencia may host the second conference
in two years.

I thought it might be interesting if we shared our impressions
and reactions to the conference ? any particular things stand out /

For me - one of the interests of the conference was that it was dominated
by the architects and urban studies professionals and activists- i dont often
interact with those professions

I expected more discussion of the on line world as a public space and
what the architecture and design issues are- most studies of on line behaviour
show that we carry over on line our habits and practices from the
physical world-
but maybe that there is even more segregation- homophily - on line
that in physical
spaces

several papers of course discussed how computer aided design has become a
source of new ideas in architecture- particularly the work of unstudio
http://www.unstudio.com/
where caroline bos presented their work
their work in knowldge sharing is interesting and it connected
to my own talk where i talked about open observatories and open data

roger malina

KNOWLEDGE SHARING IN KNOWLEDGE PLATFORMS

Since the founding of the practice, UNStudio has been developing
design knowledge as a result of combining the designing and building
of projects with an active participation in architectural theory. In
2008, following a continued interest in geometry, digital production,
material effects and attainable design solutions, this communal
knowledge led to the introduction of knowledge platforms to the
studio.
Whilst the primary objective of our project teams is to deliver the
'result' of architectural thinking (buildings, plans, designs), the
objective of the knowledge platforms is to distill knowledge from
within the practice of architecture in order to propel design thinking
and innovation.




---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Guillermo Muñoz <m.m.guillermo@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 4:26 PM
Subject: [Yasmin: This week Yasmin moderator
To: YASMIN ANNOUNCEMENTS <Yasmin_announcements@estia.media.uoa.gr>


Dear Yasminers,

I´m happy to be your Yasmin moderator along this week.

I would like to offer to all new subscribers to present themselves and
their related work to the art/sci context.

I woud be happy to answer any doubt or try to solve any problem along the
following week.

Finally i just want to remeber to the list that some of us meet last week
at Bilbao in the Art, Science and City congres, and was a delightly time to
meet and discuss some of the ideas concerning the advantages and
difficulties to work in this networked area. We get a really motivated,
inspirational and charm session and talks.

All the best from Valencia and best whishes for the following hollydays
days,

Guillermo Muñoz.
_______________________________________________

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