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Yasmin_discussions Digest, Vol 3, Issue 1

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Today's Topics:

1. YASMIN entering phase [3] and restarting (YASMIN DISCUSSIONS)
2. yasmin discussion Science for the People (YASMIN DISCUSSIONS)


Message: 1
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 01:47:43 +0200
Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] YASMIN entering phase [3] and restarting
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Dear YASMINers,

We would like to announce that YASMIN is now moving on to phase [3]. We
started YASMIN in 2005 as a network of artists, scientists, engineers,
theoreticians and institutions promoting collaboration in art, science
and technology around the Mediterranean Rim and beyond. In its first
phase (2005-2009), YASMIN was an online forum with an announcements and
a discussions part. Then we moved to phase [2] (2009 ? 2017) where
YASMIN became a (mailman-based) mailing list consisting of a
YASMIN_announements and a YASMIN_discussions sub-list.

For various reasons of improving the functionality and robustness of our
system, we are now moving YASMIN to a new server and entering phase [3].
The lists will continue to function as they were and there is no need
for all subscribers to re-subscribe, as we have already done this for
you. However, we are still developing the new interface as well as the
archives of phase [1], phase [2] and current messages of phase [3]. We
need some more time for that and we will inform you when these are

For now, let?s start communicating again through YASMIN and Roger Malina
with Alyce Santoro have prepared a fascinating discussion subject to
start the new phase in the best possible manner. You will receive
relevant info very soon.

Please remember that YASMIN is above all a community and a project
supported by the voluntary work of all participating in it (artists,
academics, moderators, developers, etc.)

Best wishes
The YASMIN team of moderators
Roger Malina, Dimitris Charitos, Nina Czegledy, Pau Alsina, Monica
Bello, Ricardo Mbarkho, Guillermo Munoz Matutano, Houssine Soussi,
Jadwiga Charzynska


Message: 2
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 17:09:39 -0600
Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] yasmin discussion Science for the People
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we have good news, thanks to the hard work of Dimitris Charitos the list is now
up again on the cloud and we are pleased to announce the promised discussion
on Science for the People: Radical Science for the 21st Century.

The discussion will be moderated by Alyce Santoro and myself.

the science for the people organisation just held a convention

if you attended we encourage you to tell us about it

Alyce and Roger

Science for the People: Radical Science for the 21st Century.


In the late 1960s through late 1980s, scientists unwilling to
contribute to the development of technologies that pollute, oppress,
and destroy, or to research tainted by military, political, and
corporate interests, were organizing around the questions ?Why are we
scientists? For whose benefit do we serve? What is the full measure of
our moral and social responsibility??. Members of Science for the
People (SftP) (sometimes referred to more generally as ?the radical
science movement?) were dedicated to crafting a science that is
ethical, egalitarian, and cooperative, and were committed in their own
work to research that above all serves the health of humans and the

Science for the People is currently being revitalized by scientists
and scholars on college campuses across the US. Science for the
People: Documents from America?s Movement of Radical Scientists, a
brand new anthology of historical material, is fresh off the presses.
The second annual SftP National Convention took place at the
University of Michigan from February 2-4, 2017.

A bit more background:

Don't Just Defend Science, Mobilize It for the People: While science
is under attack, it could be an opportunity to advance a much stronger
vision of how it can serve the common good, writes Sigrid Schmalzer:

Which Way for Science? A statement by the SftP editorial team on the
occasion of the April 2017 March for Science



Lisette E. Torres is a disabled mother-scholar-activist of color
dedicated to critically examining the intersections of race, gender,
disability, and science identity and how they impact knowledge
production and STEM. She is a former aquatic ecologist, a member of
Science for the People, and a co-founder for the National Coalition
for Latinxs with Disabilities (CNLD).

Abha Sur is a scientist turned historian of science. She is the author
of Dispersed Radiance: Caste, Gender, and Modern Science in India (New
Delhi: Navayana, 2011). She teaches in the Program in Women's & Gender
Studies and in the Program in Science, Technology, and Society at MIT.
Abha Sur is a longstanding member of the Alliance for a Secular and
Democratic South Asia, a Cambridge based organization that raises
awareness about issues of social justice through seminars, panel
discussions and cultural events.

John Vandermeer is a theoretical ecologist, agroecologist and tropical
ecologist, who teaches at the University of Michigan and does research
in Michigan, Mexico and Puerto Rico. He was a long term member of the
original SftP, having been at the Chicago AAAS meetings where at least
one of the beginnings of the organization is reported to have
happened. He also is a founding member of the New World Agriculture
and Ecology group, an offshoot of SftP.

Ben Allen is a scientist, educator, and labor activist in east
Tennessee. He is an organizer for the revitalized Science for the
People and is member of the Science for the People Research
Collective. In addition to organizing, he works as a contractor on
computational biology projects related to energy and environment.

Alyce Santoro is a conceptual/sound artist and writer with a
background in biology and scientific illustration. She will be a
candidate in RISDs new Nature-Culture-Sustainability MA program
starting in fall 2018.

Yasmin Moderators:

Alyce Santoro and Roger Malina

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Lessons Learned

Whenever possible, the discussion goes better if the posts address
one point or at most two,
Posts should be ?short?: 2-3 paragraphs max
The organiser of the discussion ?manages? the central topic being
discussed at a given time( otherwise the discussion goes into multiple
direction and tends to dissipate).
The moderators are tasked with addressing problems such as making sure
spam doesnt get into the discussion I ideally one of the organisers
acts as a moderator to decide which post is approved immediately,
which are deferred to keep the discussion at a given time running its
Best not to approve more than 1-2 posts a day. Otherwise most
yasminers will disconnect,
Moderators over the years have had to block certain posts after
discussion with the person posting, because the topic had little
connection with the discussion under way, or was basically a personal
marketing promotion rather than engaging in discussion. The moderators
can block a post for ?reason? but must notify the other moderators and
the person posting that the post has been blocked. In some cases there
are culturally awkward discussions which are difficult to do on line,
and easier face to face.

roger malina


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