Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Boundaries

Thank you for bringing this to the front. For me it is a key issue. I wrote:

- input protocols: lacking at the moment: granularity of experience

We have to work on applications towards capturing more granularity of
experience. If the IOT wants to be like the real world, then it has to try
to have the same kind of all out sensorial input. Currently we see as input
a lot of 'validated content', content that is validated prior to its
inclusion in the datasets that build the IOT.

Where is that sand in my shoes? Where is the gum on the pavement? My daily
negociations? Research into and quick and dirty applications of soft
biometrics and innovative ways of gaining biofeedback in intuitive and non
invasive ways is of paramount importance. Taking into account as much of
the granularity of experience as input into our systems, may lead to not
only an acceptance of ambient intelligence, but an embracing of it by people
who realize that this could actually help them gain more agency – individual
and collective - through getting realtime feedback on real actions and real
needs.

That is my positive side arguing as I realize that we can not stop the ship
itself ( Ted Kazcynski - who saw this all very early - is in jail and we can
not add more violence to the violence), but can only help build it (arguable
i agree).

I was really shocked to read all these FP7 security projects:

ftp://ftp.cordis.europa.eu/.../*fp7*/*security*/.../*towards-a-more*-*secure
*_en.pdf

mostly when I started to notice that the input they use for their
'visualizing and datmining services' is already 'validated' input, meaning
devoid of serendipity, life, chance....thus they can only build a Matrix,

salut! Rob

ps check if you want the Situated Technologies site next week. Christian
and me have written a pamphlet in the series and it should be out then,

On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 9:38 PM, <hight@34n118w.net> wrote:

> Rob,
>
> Great interview and it is cool to see Christian Nold on your team (he is
> also in the exhibition and we met back in 2004).
>
> this section to me is of great interest:
>
> RVK: Can you find connections to the FB generation? Do you want to?
>
> "It has a useful API as do all these new big sites; however there are
> restrictions entering the domains and boundaries of others especially when
> they try to cross over and get monitised."
>
> RvK: The key (or one of the keys) is the granularity of input for these
> 'smart' systems. How do you see this?
>
> "Yes, small unit blocks, simplified then re built , re-cored re-formed
> into an understanding that can re-communicate the complexity of the larger
> system. Strip the city down and re- configure it as a real-time
> visualization and plug it into other cities.".
>
> This small section of your exchange touches on a lot of deeply prescient
> elements and issues in this cartographic as well as transitional moment
> (for better or worse in several spheres).
>
> Facebook is now about as semiotically loaded as things get but it also has
> an odd duality. Many artists still use it despite the several waves of
> unsettling privacy and file re-usage issues. Social networking and
> locative media are right now the big topic in many advertising areas as is
> data mining. This is disturbing as it ties into uncomfortable issues of
> what our experience in the online space is as far as transparency and
> autonomy and how the near future may even see things really akin to the
> film Minority Report with site specific intuitive ad streams not only
> online but in smart skin architecture.
>
> The other side of the coin finds the meta-research and examination stanza
> and others are exploring as to smarter non semantic web searches, geo
> spatial archiving and resources and of Marcos Novak's concepts of Eversion
> and liquid architecture. The dystopic moment right now of people
> wandering around like zombies on smart phones also is tied into a need for
> a more mixed reality sense of space and moving within shared spaces
>
>
>
> > Hi Roger,
> >
> > I am not sure if this is really answered in this interview I did with
> > Stanza
> > but it might go in that direction:
> >
> >
> http://www.theinternetofthings.eu/content/stanza-can-we-use-new-technologies-imagine-world-where-we-are-liberated-and-empowered
> >
> > have a good week! Rob
> >
> >
> >> whats not clear to me is whether these kinds of work
> >> can really change our behaviours or relationship
> >> to the world= to the extenthat they occupy our
> >> mediated spaces they can perhaps "re thicken" our
> >> connection to phenomena that we only have
> >> abstract awareness of) but without embodiment
> >> do they remain un=intimate ? that boundary
> >> between the virtual and physical is multi layered
> >>
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[Yasmin_discussions] art agency and its constitution

WalkSpace:Beirut-Venice invites the participant on a drift through
Venice guided from Beirut and in Beirut guided from Venice.

http://thestateofmind.be/?p=119

The work involves two simultaneous dérives through the historic cities
of Beirut and Venice, connected in real time to eachother and to the
world. Two interconnected groups of participants will walk in each
city, each receiving instruction and guidance from theother as they
wander, get lost and explore the psychogeographical ambience of the
city. The progress of each group will be broadcast asa live video
stream via Bambuser, tracked in realtime on a map with Google latitude
and tweeted with followers having the option of giving instructions
via twitter.

http://thestateofmind.be/?p=119

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Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Boundaries

dear yasminers,

responding to the larger issues addressed in all three of 'how the virtual
can redirect us to the non-virtual' in teri's post, the issue of embodiment
which roger raises, and the image of 'small units' which is brought up by
stanza in the interview by rob. very intriguing emergent framework for the
psychological, possibly physical, and certainly, aesthetic regions of this
issue of boundaries.

i'll only cite a few instances of the late Bill Mitchell's who, of course,
wrote so vibrantly and technologically, of cities. in "Me++: Self, Cyborg
and the Networked City", which I exhausted in my dissertation, he gives a
history to data, and the movement of data from fixed place (one's own "file
cabinet" harddrive) to centralized server models (office plans) to the
mobile data we have today. i believe that the reason that many artists,
including myself, are beginning to think about data, nearly as a substance,
although this was done in MetaCity/Data town, the Dutch project,
is due to the fact that it is mobile, we are data, on our person, etc. but,
surely, also because if we are truly networked nowadays we have more than
one gadget at home; the desktop being but one screen in addition to a few
others which lie around, sit around or stand around. this being the case of
contemporary workers, artists, academics, and professionals, there are a few
points i'd like to look at. the first stems, again from Mitchell, who did
his best in this 2003 book to illustrate major arenas for boundary-making as
we approach the wireless city. Because my own dissertation, completed with
the assistance of the late Stephen Wilson, and an Australian media scholar,
Terry Flew, is on wireless cities and mobile culture, and the emergence of
mobile communications, Mitchell's work resonated with my own interest in
boundaries, architecture, and the impact of micromobility. Mitchell talks
about lines of defense drawn historically from medieval history and into the
present. He writes about access points. Now with the interior littered with
screens of all sizes, most of them "wirelessly enabled", the idea of a
firewall, has become a, hopefully, protecting labyrinth of electronic access
points, all of which are "accessible." the shape of defense changing at the
level of the individual communications. identity is dividual.

and certainly, in the area of maps and boundaries, responding briefly to
jeremy's questions, for me, maps are certainly about inclusion and
exclusion. what data is in? what data is out? who is steering the data into
the map? what information gets mapped and what does not? maps are essential
today for filtering the web; for constructing newly distributable stories
about what the web represents, in terms of cultures. i think about Rob
Kitchin's book, Mapping Cyberspace, which filled this gap in looking at the
internet, back in the early nineties.

history of searching, filtering, web blogs, as attempts to bracket, now,
like the map

and then I thought i would share a link from polis, on recent work of eric
swyngedouw:

http://www.thepolisblog.org/2011/06/eric-swyngedouw-on-designing-post.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+thepolisblog%2FpBWc+%28polis%29

because i think his notions of "empty signifiers" and his disscussions of
planning offer some insight to planning, maps, etc.

Molly
**

> Roger wrote:
>
> whats not clear to me is whether these kinds of work
> can really change our behaviours or relationship
> to the world= to the extenthat they occupy our
> mediated spaces they can perhaps "re thicken" our
> connection to phenomena that we only have
> abstract awareness of) but without embodiment
> do they remain un=intimate ? that boundary
> between the virtual and physical is multi layered
>
>
> Teri wrote:

Another example from the subway . . . we seem to be informal experts at
> managing furtive glances or even outright stares as a form of observation
> through which we become attuned to social contexts and communications at
> verbal and non-verbal levels. These are highly localized, yet powerful
> sources of affective knowledge that extrapolate to more abstract levels of
> behavior and decision making. The information we are gleaning in these
> moments and how we make sense of it may remain relatively inchoate, even
> over long exposure or extended experiences with the same conditions, yet
> still they form a sense of place and identity at less self-conscious levels
> that may be more important than we think. Yet just to point to it isn't
> very
> compelling, and may even be self-defeating if the goal is to foster diverse
> levels of attention and affective experience. Is this kind of knowing and
> experience eclipsed by "data layers" that promise to add other dimensions
> to
> our social interactions in public space, even as they may dull our capacity
> for deeply attuned and embodied forms of social exchange?
>

Rob and Stanza wrote:

*RvK: The key (or one of the keys) is the granularity of input for these
> 'smart' systems. How do you see this?*
>
> "Yes, small unit blocks, simplified then re built , re-cored re-formed into
> an understanding that can re-communicate the complexity of the larger
> system. Strip the city down and re- configure it as a real-time
> visualization and plug it into other cities.".
>
>

>
>
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[Yasmin_discussions] Art and Science Agency and Their Constitutions

Guillermo

thanks for your report from Valencia and the comment that although
there seem to be artists involved in the community meetings, you
have not seen any activity from scientists

I checked out the Precarios site you mentioned

http://precarios.org/tiki-index.php?page=portada

and didnt see any discussions about the current political discussions
in spain

i wonder if this is the case in egypt and tunisia

maybe that there is a basic asymmetry between artists agency
and scientists agency in the current events in the middle east
and north africa

as you point out most scientists are deeply embedded in government
or industry and perhaps have a deeper connection to the status quo

roger

There are many artist working in the organization and the developing
commisions of the spanish assemblies in all cities squares.

There are activities with poetry and phonetic poetry, for example. There are
individual works of artist that present in their work some critical aspect,
or thinking in a social critical way.

However, i can not fin any direct scientific involvement. I know that
there are many scientists in the popular assemblies, but i can not find any
scientist helping to this movement through his work.

This point is interesting, because i don´t think that there is any realistic
cause for this. The artists who helps in the assemblies are people who
export to their work any critical thinking. Lot of scientists have social
critical thinking but there is not easy to find any activity of this kind
developed at any work place (for example, we don not have any regular
meeting for our science social producing results. At least not for the
younger and without any science policies responsablilities). I try to
express that social critical thinking is an individual activity for
scientist which is not easyly view as conected to our work, but of course it
is. We are dealing with technology, industry, so, we are part of the
"product" developing and comercialization, so science has tremendous impact
in society and needs lot of social critical thinking. Indeed, we have
tremendous social problems, as for example the percentual annual state
butget dedicated to science, the numbers of grants and contracts, ... , and
some time appears movements for the scientis rights (here at spain we have a
scientists plataform called "Precarios", or "Joves Investigadors", for
example (it works as a king of syndicate, although it is not the same). But
it is dificult to find and scientist involved to social commonly
problems.

As an experimental data: art is represented commonly in all this
assemblies but science is not offering any, for example, concrete
discussion, any science commission. If this would be tha case, could be we
can develope another example for science contact with people: not to
develope a science popularization event (which at the same time could be one
parallel idea) but to make science policies realistic debates of within our
neiborghoods. The finality of this debates would not be to take action to
the science policies (there are many experts and profesionals for this
work), but of course it would be to listen people, put science and
scientists in social contexts and collect any sugestions.

One week and a half after the democratic ellections here at Spain, the
assemblies are following their work and thinking the way to create an
perennial activity (segmenting the mean assemblies moving to multiple and
more local ones, ...).

Best,

Guillermo.
(Munoz)

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[Yasmin_discussions] art and science agency and their constitutions

yasminers

francis guiles in barcelona points us to

http://www.opendemocracy.net/

where many of the issues we are discussing re art and science
agency in the middle east and north africa are also being
discussed

he has just posted a personal memoir of his own interaction
with the politics of the region as a journalist ( for financial times
and other publications)

http://www.cidob.org/en/media/cidob_in_the_press/north_african_diversities_a_personal_odyssey

Francis is now at the Barcelona Center for International Affairs

Roger

The era of European colonial rule in the Maghreb was one of great
plurality and intermingling of cultures as well as of power and
violence. Several of these currents flow through the life of the
respected journalist and scholar Francis Ghilès. Here, he draws on a
remarkable familial and professional journey to reflect on the
experience of Tunisia, Algeria, and Morocco since the 1950s, and asks
whether Europe can meet the test of a new era in the region.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Francis Ghilès <fghiles@cidob.org>

openDemocracy.net and our website

Francis Ghilès
Senior Research Fellow
Fundació CIDOB - CIDOB Foundation
Elisabets, 12
08001 Barcelona, Spain
Tel. (+34) 93.302.64.95
Cell. (+34) 61.877.67.63
Fax. (+34) 93.302.21.18
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Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Boundaries

Hi All,

Happy to be a new Yasminer! And sorry to be so late in jumping into this
discussion - I have been busy writing a very long paper. Finally done. I
hope I am not introducing too much of a non sequitur with this comment.

Roger wrote:

whats not clear to me is whether these kinds of work
can really change our behaviours or relationship
to the world= to the extenthat they occupy our
mediated spaces they can perhaps "re thicken" our
connection to phenomena that we only have
abstract awareness of) but without embodiment
do they remain un=intimate ? that boundary
between the virtual and physical is multi layered

I wonder:

What about the phenomena that we only have abstract awareness of that lies
right in plain view and sensible without aid or "visualization," yet resists
quantification or reduction to mediated representations? Do mediated
overlays of data sets possibly eclipse or dull our senses to such rich
information? How might the capacity to direct movement and gaze or
attention - also critical capacities of locative media - be used to bring us
back to the fundamental experience of our own embodiment that is so often
pushed to the margins of our consciousness as we seek evermore data
"enhanced" experiences, often tailored to data-obsessed, media-attuned
sensibilities?

I also am drawn to think about the ways that "layers and layers" of data may
actually distance us from the richness of ambiguous, yet ubiquitous,
phenomena that give richness to interaction in public spaces - the level of
conscious and unconscious apprehension of our surroundings that "places" us
in relation to environment and other inhabitants. For example, the smells
in a crowded subway car that shift with the rocking of cars and bodies, the
sources of such smells ranging from the fuel or electric power of the
infrastructure, the materials of the train itself, to the smells of hair
products, laundry detergent, food, sweat, urine, etc. - all of which inform
our sense of identity, placing us and displacing us in the moment, location,
and social context. Displacement may be even more important to challenging
who we are and what unites and divides us in public, personal and private
space, yet how do data overlays facilitate such displacements - especially
since most are intent upon fixing us in space, or in specific relationship
to others, framing the context around concrete themes and easily recognized
meanings? I wonder about the affective experiences we cannot quite
articulate, visualize or explain which are nonetheless powerful factors that
inform our feelings, attitudes, opinions, and actions, behavior, etc. How
is this level of experience folded into so-called "locative media"?

Another example from the subway . . . we seem to be informal experts at
managing furtive glances or even outright stares as a form of observation
through which we become attuned to social contexts and communications at
verbal and non-verbal levels. These are highly localized, yet powerful
sources of affective knowledge that extrapolate to more abstract levels of
behavior and decision making. The information we are gleaning in these
moments and how we make sense of it may remain relatively inchoate, even
over long exposure or extended experiences with the same conditions, yet
still they form a sense of place and identity at less self-conscious levels
that may be more important than we think. Yet just to point to it isn't very
compelling, and may even be self-defeating if the goal is to foster diverse
levels of attention and affective experience. Is this kind of knowing and
experience eclipsed by "data layers" that promise to add other dimensions to
our social interactions in public space, even as they may dull our capacity
for deeply attuned and embodied forms of social exchange?

How can the virtual re-direct us to the non-virtual?

On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 3:49 PM, <hight@34n118w.net> wrote:

> Vicki,
>
> I love the title "Echology". echo/ecology=data and even feedback loop
>
> It sounds fascinating and very timely. I have studied meteorology and
> climatology since I was a little kid and Australia in the last year has
> had some wild events. Yassi comes to mind first, but also the unusual
> inland flooding both in the east and in the west central dry regions that
> had a temporary lake. The effects of La Nina and arguably climate change
> have been immense and wide ranging to the extreme there. As I write we are
> expecting a storm in a few days to bring up to 2 inches of rain in parts
> of northern california which is unheard of in June (some all time records
> are .89 inches down to near a trace).
>
> I would love to know what you and other yasminers think of data and how it
> is timely in relation to larger issues and concerns. I think right away
> of archiving and older platforms and hardware as well as the work being
> down by the Buckminster Fuller Insitute and the recent challenge winners
> among a wide array of ecological and semiotic concerns around data and
> measure.
>
> best,
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
> > On 30/05/11 4:24 AM, "hight@34n118w.net" <hight@34n118w.net> wrote:
> >> Good point. I think the fascinating thing is the larger gestalt
> >
> > Jeremy,
> >
> > You're not kidding about the larger gestalt! Just in the past couple of
> > months arts/culture orgs including Future Everything, Eyebeam and
> MediaLab
> > Prado, have presented some really exciting projects around data.
> >
> > Here at ANAT in Australia we've been developing 'ECHOLOGY: making sense
> of
> > data', which will take place from 2011-13. Kicking off with a travelling
> > seminar in November, the project is especially interested in data
> > representations that move beyond the screen and play to the fuller suite
> > of
> > senses, embracing sound, light, kinetics, materials (water, sand, gas,
> > fire,
> > etc) in their realisation.
> >
> > We're not quite at launch stage, but I thought yasminers might be
> > interested
> > in what we're planning, so I've included a brief overview below.. If
> you'd
> > like to know more, please get in touch.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Vicki
> >
> > ----
> > ECHOLOGY: making sense of data
> >
> > The 21st Century is an era of pervasive and ever-increasing data
> > collection;
> > it tracks who we are, what we do and how we live our lives ­ in effect
> > creating a complex, connected universe of information-based ecologies.
> > Alongside this, there has been a rapid proliferation of proprietary and
> > open
> > source publication and aggregation tools, enabling critical and creative
> > approaches to data representation well beyond the intent and scope of
> > those
> > involved in its collection.
> >
> > Presented by the Australian Network of Art & Technology (ANAT) and Carbon
> > Arts, ECHOLOGY: making sense of data introduces artists and other
> creative
> > types to the use of real-time data in the production of artworks for the
> > public realm ­ bringing these abstract information ecologies into our
> more
> > grounded, local spaces. We are especially interested in approaches that
> > embrace new ways of representing data through the use of sound, kinetics,
> > materials (water, sand, plants) and light.
> >
> > Timeline
> > 2011: Travelling roadshow featuring Julie Freeman, Usman Haque, Joyce
> > Hinterding, Geo Homsy, Natalie Jeremijenko and DV Rogers.
> > 2012: Site identification, call for proposals, development lab
> > 2013: Production, unveiling at ISEA2013 (hosted by ANAT in Sydney).
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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[Yasmin_discussions] Living data

Yasminers,

I am interested to read Vikki's post, particularly have
experienced last week's VIVID event. I too have observed a growing
number of artists who are attracted to working with data. The word
data seems to have gathered around it an appeal that goes beyond its
definition as mere measurements and statistics.

The VIVID event comprised many small
and large scale light projections. At the launch it was was promoted
as a Design event that was innovative, sustainable and creative.
Individual statements by designers and design companies made references
to their innovative projections of data. Was it innovative? Apart
from the fact that LED lights are now replacing incandescent lighting
forms, many of the works appeared to collect and project the same old
data (random movements of people) in the same old ways (through motion,
heat or light sensors). Sustainable? The scale of the event was so huge
it made me wonder about its carbon footprint. Creative? Creativity has
no clear definition, but I had to ask, How does such work contribute
to creating a more sustainable world?

However, VIVID gave many people pleasure. It was, quite simply
seductive colour and movement. It brought people together in a
space and made us think and talk. I was seduced by the beauty of
the works and stimulated by discussions that they led to. One
discussion was about how there are artists and scientists
who have an interest in connecting many people to data that has more
meaning than random human actions. We agreed that there is a
place for designers to develop such displays, but a need for
connections to be made between them and artists and scientists.

Such connections are starting to be made at UTS, and I am keen to know
of other places where this is happening.

At UTS this year, a confluence of interests naturally arose between
me, a climate change scientist and an artist who works with data. This
has led to a new research project, Living data: How animation can bring
scientific data to life, which I will lead through the Climate Change
Cluster (C3) in the Faculty of Scientists. I will work with
plankton ecologist Martina Doblin (PhD UTS) and artist and data
visualizer Gail Kenning (PhD UNSW). Students and their tutors at UTS and
other universities in Australia and overseas will be offered
opportunities to participate in the research through field trips,
workshops, exhibitions, conferences, publications and the on-line
research journal.

Please read the Project Outline below and let us know if you would like
us to us keep you posted of our progress.

Project Outline

The need to communicate accurate and accessible information about the
integral connections between human actions and the global ecosystem is
urgent. As artists and scientists we propose a two-year program of
research into how art and science methods can be used to make digital
animations that present scientific data in ways that can expand
awareness of the place of humans within the natural systems. A visual
language of archetypal forms used in art and science to describe
feelings of connection and forces of change in the natural world will
be combined. Animations that appeal to the senses and intellect will
give new meanings to climate change data by connecting them to human
experience. Animations will be made accessible from a free on-line
archive and distributed widely. Our research will model a new
pedagogical framework for teaching and learning that reflects our view
of the world as a dynamic integrated whole.

Roberts, L; Doblin, M.; Kenning, G. May 2011

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Lisa Roberts, PhD Fine Arts (UNSW)

www.lisaroberts.com.au
www.antarcticanimation.com

Post:-
PO Box 486
Newtown NSW
Australia 2042

Tel. +61 2 9550 2806
Mob. 0428 502 805
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