bit emotionally raw for me. I believe in Science as a core foundation
Richard Buckminster Fuller was fired from his job at Southern Illinois
University, Carbondale for general misbehavior.
Among other things to generally enrage enrage his co-workers, he once
addressed an assembly by saying that anyone who had a Ph.D was basically
full of shit. From my experience in Academia, I have come to agree with
It appears to me that the cost/benefit ratio for a Scientific Ph.D
degree in the United States is far too high.
What a Ph.D candidate must endure within a scientific discipline
consists to a great extent of academic hazing. The degree programme is
too much about eliminating those who cannot endure its demands.
Anyone who has succeeded in obtaining a Scientific Ph.D degree has been
groomed for a particular research track by his or her Advisor. The
role of a graduate student is basically slave labour for the benefit of
the Advisor. The Post-Doc
carries this experience and attitude with them through the remainder of
their careers. A research organization, even outside of the University
will develop the same caste structure as the University. It makes
those working within it profoundly bitter and mean-spirited.
An artist cannot survive within this environment, because his technical
aptitude is constantly under attack. An artist is not qualified to ask
questions of a scientific nature.
A Scientist cannot investigate a question which lies beyond that which
can be funded. A project proposal cannot be funded without a person
holding a Ph.D as its Principal Investigator. Scientific Research has
justification in hard terms of innovation in application as return on
investment, but its chances of return are extremely low compared to most
investments. Fine art is even worse.
A Scientist is wasting his time and jeopardizing his career by
considering questions outside of his field of research.
Art runs counter to all of the principles guiding the practice of science.
To a scientist, the creative process is wildly out of control and dangerous.
I have never been a brilliant student, therefore, I have been found
unfit to dwell within a scientific Institution.
On 5/17/10 4:32 PM, roger malina wrote:
> For our collaboration topic, here is a underlying question: do artists
> and scientists share
> the same cultures of inquiry ? Sundar Sarukkai in his article
> on Science and the Ethics of Curiosity which I have quoted several
> times on yasmin:
> Points out that scientific curiosity is often framed within
> the following ethos:
> Intellectual Honesty, Integrity, Epistemic Communism
> Organized skepticism,Dis-interestedness
> Impersonality, Universality
> It seems to me that many artists do not share all these values,
> and that when artists and scientists seek to collaborate
> these cultural difference can create friction, sometimes productive
> sometimes not.
> in my talks i like to insist that artistic curiosity is often;
> non universal : a work can be loaded with meaning in one
> context and meaningless in another. There is a large discussion
> against "universals" in art. In science there is no concept of locally
> meaningful science.
> Impersonal: whereas scientists seek to remove the personality
> of the scientist from their work, artists often seem to ground the
> work in their embodied specificity.
> Disinterested: basic scientists like to have an intellectual distance between
> their work and the sponsor of their work (how succesful they are is another
> Many artists work on commissions where indeed the work is intended to be
> situated within the framing of the institution or sponsor that funds the work.
> eg the Bilbau museum is inseparable as a building from the ethos of the
> Guggenheim Foundation. ( but of course scientists working on applications
> are sponsor contextualised)
> I know that I am over-generalising here, but there is much discussion
> about the need for a "third culture' that somehow melds the scientific
> and the artistic ( or even E O Wilson's concept of conscilience). I often
> get very uncomfortable with these discussions, because it seems to me
> there are valuable differences between the goals, values and methods
> of scientists
> and those of artists - and that often these implicit cultural
> differences between
> artists and scientists are not made explicit.
> There is a large literature in the business world on what are called strategic
> alliances= most collaborations between businesses fail, often because so
> many implicit values are not made explicit before a collaboration is
> entered into.
> In the case of art science collaborations, many of them fail to be successful
> from the point of view of one or both the art and science participants.
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