I knew about Marcel-- and have just looked at their site- thanks-- However, it seems that MARCEL is AccessGrid- a multi-window software platform-- not an optical network that allows potentially jitterless communication. Jitter, for all who might ask, is an irregular delay-- Musicians regularly deal with a delay; that is why there are conductors. And here is an interesting bit of trivia: The delay between the right side of a large orchestral stage and the left side is the same as between Amsterdam and Tokyo over high-speed optical networks on the highest wave-rate level (the speed of light). (info from Cees Delaat at the U of Amsterdam)
We need to work to get this kind of high-speed optical networking to be available and not so dang hard! For more information you can go to http://www.glif.is/ and http://www.internet2.edu/
While at SC11 at the UNM booth, we had an interesting visit from representatives of Internet2. There has been an ongoing political battle between National LambdaRail and Internet2. What I heard at SC11 is that a billionaire pharmaceutic investor has either 'bought' or 'invested in NLR-- This was supposed to be a research network that is owned and managed by industry and research institutions. The U. of Texas is certainly a big player here- as is the U. of California. The Internet2 people told me they are the arts networking people. I believe that both optical networking entities are now at the same technical level.
As artists, artist-scientists, and researchers we need to harness and make available these resources.
Jack
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On Nov 23, 2011, at 2:46 PM, roger malina wrote:
> Jack
>
> yes both networked infrastructures and networked organisations are
> relevant here=
> since they often overlap
>
> do you know about the Marcel network ?
>
> http://www.mmmarcel.org/
>
> they do a lot of infrastructure networking
>
> one of the topics at the us national science foundation workwshop was that there
> is a proliferation of infrastructure network projects - but that are
> not cross linked
> and duplicate effort
>
> roger
>
> Hello Roger and all,
>
> Is there development of high-speed optical networking so that people
> are able to meet with their data sets across oceans? Or are we
> speaking here of other kinds of networking. I have read through
> Roger's ongoing reports on the series of NSF Art Science workshops and
> have not seen any talk about this subject. Are the storage archives
> for large data sets in a cloud that is available to multiple entities?
>
> I am convinced that our networking needs to include actual optical
> connections to one another- but it is extremely difficult to get that
> up and running. The problems for me have been funding and getting
> people on board who have never really seen or experienced what is
> possible. Our CIO is now supporting small steps so that other faculty
> will be able to see with their own ideas. For Instance, UNM just did a
> series of Ursonate performances over the National LambdaRail between
> Supercomputing11 in Seattle and the Center for Advanced Research
> Computing. We were rehearsing and working out potential problems
> before a Spring Fluxus Concert between Swinburne U. of Technology,
> Melbourne, and UNM. These are baby steps designed to show people
> potential.
>
> It is great to network- but we need to be able to do this without so
> much physical travel. How do we make high-speed optical networking
> available for a larger group of people in different communities?
>
> Can anyone comment on this- with your own experiences?
>
>
> Jack Ox
> Roger Malina is Director of the Observatoire Astronomique de
> Marseille Provence and Executive Editor of the Leonardo Publications
> at MIT Press
> and member of the steering committee of IMERA the Mediterranean
> Institute for Advanced Studies.Postal Address: OAMP, 38 Rue Joliot
> Curie, Marseille 13388, France
>
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