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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 19:32:36 -0600
From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr
Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] Science for the People
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Thanks to Roger and the YASMIN admin team for hosting this discussion, to our invited specialist commentators (welcome!), and to all members of the list for taking the time to read along and/or engage with this dialog!
As we are all amply aware, scientists, science-oriented-artists, and the public at large have extremely obvious, sound, and urgent reasons to defend and exalt science in general. At the same time, as interdisciplinary practitioners, we may be uniquely positioned to examine and critique underlying systems of power and the cooptation of scientific knowledge by commercial and militaristic interests.
Science for the People (SftP) <https://scienceforthepeople.org/> has been addressing these issues for decades. All of this discussion's invited Specialist Commentators are part of the newly re-formed SftP?one of them belonged to the original group that formed in the late 1960s.
While it would be very interesting to hear about ways members of the YASMIN list have been engaging in ?radical science? (confronting social issues within the context of your practice), the primary question I propose we begin with is one that has been previously alluded to on this list:
Is a new scientific method ? or an addendum or supplement to the standard one ? that contains ethical tenets necessary? What would it look like? How would it be implemented?
I have pasted a few references below that have informed my own thinking on the subject. I look forward to your responses!
With best wishes and hopes that we can all find ways to transmute current socio-political absurdities into meaningful, constructive action!
Alyce Santoro
alycesantoro.com <http://www.alycesantoro.com/>
@alyceobvious <http://www.twitter.com/alyceobvious>
RELATED READING. I hope that others will feel compelled to add to this list?along with your responses, if supporting materials come to mind, please do include them!
***HIGHLY RECOMMENDED: The brand new Science for the People: Documents from America?s Movement of Radical Scientists <http://www.umass.edu/umpress/title/science-people> edited by Sigrid Scmalzer, Daniel S. Chard, and Alyssa Botelho***
"Toward the Renewal of Science" <http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/08935699008657929> by Richard Levins (Rethinking Marxism, Volume 3, Number 3-4, Fall/Winter 1990) ? thanks to John Vandermeer for this recommendation!
The Dialectical Biologist <http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674202832&content=reviews> by Levins/Lewontin
Ecology: Key Concepts in Critical Theory <https://books.google.com/books/about/Ecology.html?id=RkYSAQAAIAAJ> edited by Carolyn Merchant
Goethe?s Way of Science: A Phenomenology of Nature <http://www.sunypress.edu/p-2720-goethes-way-of-science.aspx> edited by Henri Bortoft and Arthur Zajonc
The Wholeness of Nature:?Goethe's Way Toward a Science of Conscious Participation in Nature <https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Wholeness_of_Nature.html?id=xpogAQAAIAAJ> by Henri Bortoft
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 17:09:39 -0600
> From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr <mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>>
> To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr <mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
> Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] yasmin discussion Science for the People
> Message-ID:
> <mailman.1.1519434574.47506.yasmin_discussions_ntlab.gr@ntlab.gr <mailto:mailman.1.1519434574.47506.yasmin_discussions_ntlab.gr@ntlab.gr>>
> YASMINERS
>
> we have good news, thanks to the hard work of Dimitris Charitos the list is now
> up again on the cloud and we are pleased to announce the promised discussion
> on Science for the People: Radical Science for the 21st Century.
>
> The discussion will be moderated by Alyce Santoro and myself.
>
> the science for the people organisation just held a convention
>
> https://scienceforthepeople.org/index.php/national-convention/ <https://scienceforthepeople.org/index.php/national-convention/>
>
> if you attended we encourage you to tell us about it
>
> Alyce and Roger
>
> Science for the People: Radical Science for the 21st Century.
>
> SUMMARY:
>
> In the late 1960s through late 1980s, scientists unwilling to
> contribute to the development of technologies that pollute, oppress,
> and destroy, or to research tainted by military, political, and
> corporate interests, were organizing around the questions Why are we <http://science-for-the-people.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/SftP-SESPA_founding-document-3.pdf>scientists? For whose benefit do we serve? What is the full measure of <http://science-for-the-people.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/SftP-SESPA_founding-document-3.pdf>our moral and social responsibility <http://science-for-the-people.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/SftP-SESPA_founding-document-3.pdf>?. Members of Science for the <http://science-for-the-people.org/>People (SftP) <http://science-for-the-people.org/> (sometimes referred to more generally as the radical
> science movement) were dedicated to crafting a science that is
> ethical, egalitarian, and cooperative, and were committed in their own
> work to research that above all serves the health of humans and the
> environment.
>
> Science for the People is currently being revitalized by scientists
> and scholars on college campuses across the US.Science for the <https://www.umass.edu/umpress/title/science-people>People: Documents from America?s Movement of Radical Scientists <https://www.umass.edu/umpress/title/science-people>, a
> brand new anthology of historical material, is fresh off the presses.
> The second annual SftP National Convention <https://scienceforthepeople.org/index.php/national-convention/> took place at the
> University of Michigan from February 2-4, 2017.
>
>
> A bit more background:
>
>
> Don't Just Defend Science, Mobilize It for the People <https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2017/03/14/importance-using-science-solve-social-problems-essay>: While science
> is under attack, it could be an opportunity to advance a much stronger
> vision of how it can serve the common good, writes Sigrid Schmalzer:
>
>
> Which Way for Science? <https://scienceforthepeople.org/index.php/2017/12/27/which-way-for-science/> A statement by the SftP editorial team on the
> occasion of the April 2017 March for Science
>
> __________
>
> DISCUSSION HOSTS/INVITED RESPONDENTS:
>
> Lisette E. Torres is a disabled mother-scholar-activist of color
> dedicated to critically examining the intersections of race, gender,
> disability, and science identity and how they impact knowledge
> production and STEM. She is a former aquatic ecologist, a member of
> Science for the People, and a co-founder for the National Coalition
> for Latinxs with Disabilities (CNLD).
> http://www.latinxdisabilitycoalition.com <http://www.latinxdisabilitycoalition.com/>
> https://about.me/TorresGerald <https://about.me/TorresGerald>
>
>
> Abha Sur is a scientist turned historian of science. She is the author
> of Dispersed Radiance: Caste, Gender, and Modern Science in India (New
> Delhi: Navayana, 2011). She teaches in the Program in Women's & Gender
> Studies and in the Program in Science, Technology, and Society at MIT.
> Abha Sur is a longstanding member of the Alliance for a Secular and
> Democratic South Asia, a Cambridge based organization that raises
> awareness about issues of social justice through seminars, panel
> discussions and cultural events.
>
> John Vandermeer is a theoretical ecologist, agroecologist and tropical
> ecologist, who teaches at the University of Michigan and does research
> in Michigan, Mexico and Puerto Rico. He was a long term member of the
> original SftP, having been at the Chicago AAAS meetings where at least
> one of the beginnings of the organization is reported to have
> happened. He also is a founding member of the New World Agriculture
> and Ecology group, an offshoot of SftP.
>
>
> Ben Allen is a scientist, educator, and labor activist in east
> Tennessee. He is an organizer for the revitalized Science for the
> People and is member of the Science for the People Research
> Collective. In addition to organizing, he works as a contractor on
> computational biology projects related to energy and environment.
>
>
> Alyce Santoro is a conceptual/sound artist and writer with a
> background in biology and scientific illustration. She will be a
> candidate in RISDs new Nature-Culture-Sustainability MA program
> starting in fall 2018. http://www.alycesantoro.com <http://www.alycesantoro.com/>
>
>
> Yasmin Moderators:
>
> Alyce Santoro and Roger Malina
>
------------------------------
Message: 2
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 13:42:28 +0100
From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr
Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] Presentation
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Hello Yasminers,
I would like to present myself.
I'm a polypolymath in arts and science based in Paris.
In science I have an extensive education in medecine, chemistry, biology
(especially neurobiology and neurosciences), and especially in theoretical
physics and pure mathematics. Recently my interests are around foundations
of mathematics, with model theory, set theory, homotopy and type theory,
category theory, topos; I have strong interest in axiomatic approach and
axiomatization and Shelah's works.
In arts, I have a strong development in music, esp. piano, improvisation
writing and composition, dance, esp. contemporary dance, physical theater,
dance theater, somatic education, yoga esp. vinyasasa and tibetan, acting
esp., Meisner practices, transactional analysis, and osteopathy practice. I
also have a strong practice of photography, still and motion. In all those
art fields I have both theoretical and experiential regular practice.
My interests are around artificial intelligence, artificial understanding,
from sensitive point of view and theoretical point of view, and theory of
sensitivity in both mathematical and experiential contexts. I was finalist
Innovator under 35 MITTR with a project involving cameras which capture and
share subjective experience of the spectator. Today's approaches in
artificial intelligence in my opinion have intrinsic limitations, due to
the statistical or naive neuronal approach.
I have strong interests both in entrepreneurship and art creation, and I
guess in some extent academic works, but the context is not particularly
favorable, even considering a "pure mathematics" approach, since subjects
of research have today a top-down approach, which chokes innovation (in
Paris at least).
I'm those days having lots of entrepreneur moves, and I might prepare PhD
in mathematics provided I find the right conditions to do it.
Cheers to all
Mathieu
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From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr
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Thanks to Roger and the YASMIN admin team for hosting this discussion, to our invited specialist commentators (welcome!), and to all members of the list for taking the time to read along and/or engage with this dialog!
As we are all amply aware, scientists, science-oriented-artists, and the public at large have extremely obvious, sound, and urgent reasons to defend and exalt science in general. At the same time, as interdisciplinary practitioners, we may be uniquely positioned to examine and critique underlying systems of power and the cooptation of scientific knowledge by commercial and militaristic interests.
Science for the People (SftP) <https://scienceforthepeople.org/> has been addressing these issues for decades. All of this discussion's invited Specialist Commentators are part of the newly re-formed SftP?one of them belonged to the original group that formed in the late 1960s.
While it would be very interesting to hear about ways members of the YASMIN list have been engaging in ?radical science? (confronting social issues within the context of your practice), the primary question I propose we begin with is one that has been previously alluded to on this list:
Is a new scientific method ? or an addendum or supplement to the standard one ? that contains ethical tenets necessary? What would it look like? How would it be implemented?
I have pasted a few references below that have informed my own thinking on the subject. I look forward to your responses!
With best wishes and hopes that we can all find ways to transmute current socio-political absurdities into meaningful, constructive action!
Alyce Santoro
alycesantoro.com <http://www.alycesantoro.com/>
@alyceobvious <http://www.twitter.com/alyceobvious>
RELATED READING. I hope that others will feel compelled to add to this list?along with your responses, if supporting materials come to mind, please do include them!
***HIGHLY RECOMMENDED: The brand new Science for the People: Documents from America?s Movement of Radical Scientists <http://www.umass.edu/umpress/title/science-people> edited by Sigrid Scmalzer, Daniel S. Chard, and Alyssa Botelho***
"Toward the Renewal of Science" <http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/08935699008657929> by Richard Levins (Rethinking Marxism, Volume 3, Number 3-4, Fall/Winter 1990) ? thanks to John Vandermeer for this recommendation!
The Dialectical Biologist <http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674202832&content=reviews> by Levins/Lewontin
Ecology: Key Concepts in Critical Theory <https://books.google.com/books/about/Ecology.html?id=RkYSAQAAIAAJ> edited by Carolyn Merchant
Goethe?s Way of Science: A Phenomenology of Nature <http://www.sunypress.edu/p-2720-goethes-way-of-science.aspx> edited by Henri Bortoft and Arthur Zajonc
The Wholeness of Nature:?Goethe's Way Toward a Science of Conscious Participation in Nature <https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Wholeness_of_Nature.html?id=xpogAQAAIAAJ> by Henri Bortoft
-----------
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 17:09:39 -0600
> From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr <mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>>
> To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr <mailto:yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
> Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] yasmin discussion Science for the People
> Message-ID:
> <mailman.1.1519434574.47506.yasmin_discussions_ntlab.gr@ntlab.gr <mailto:mailman.1.1519434574.47506.yasmin_discussions_ntlab.gr@ntlab.gr>>
> YASMINERS
>
> we have good news, thanks to the hard work of Dimitris Charitos the list is now
> up again on the cloud and we are pleased to announce the promised discussion
> on Science for the People: Radical Science for the 21st Century.
>
> The discussion will be moderated by Alyce Santoro and myself.
>
> the science for the people organisation just held a convention
>
> https://scienceforthepeople.org/index.php/national-convention/ <https://scienceforthepeople.org/index.php/national-convention/>
>
> if you attended we encourage you to tell us about it
>
> Alyce and Roger
>
> Science for the People: Radical Science for the 21st Century.
>
> SUMMARY:
>
> In the late 1960s through late 1980s, scientists unwilling to
> contribute to the development of technologies that pollute, oppress,
> and destroy, or to research tainted by military, political, and
> corporate interests, were organizing around the questions Why are we <http://science-for-the-people.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/SftP-SESPA_founding-document-3.pdf>scientists? For whose benefit do we serve? What is the full measure of <http://science-for-the-people.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/SftP-SESPA_founding-document-3.pdf>our moral and social responsibility <http://science-for-the-people.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/SftP-SESPA_founding-document-3.pdf>?. Members of Science for the <http://science-for-the-people.org/>People (SftP) <http://science-for-the-people.org/> (sometimes referred to more generally as the radical
> science movement) were dedicated to crafting a science that is
> ethical, egalitarian, and cooperative, and were committed in their own
> work to research that above all serves the health of humans and the
> environment.
>
> Science for the People is currently being revitalized by scientists
> and scholars on college campuses across the US.Science for the <https://www.umass.edu/umpress/title/science-people>People: Documents from America?s Movement of Radical Scientists <https://www.umass.edu/umpress/title/science-people>, a
> brand new anthology of historical material, is fresh off the presses.
> The second annual SftP National Convention <https://scienceforthepeople.org/index.php/national-convention/> took place at the
> University of Michigan from February 2-4, 2017.
>
>
> A bit more background:
>
>
> Don't Just Defend Science, Mobilize It for the People <https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2017/03/14/importance-using-science-solve-social-problems-essay>: While science
> is under attack, it could be an opportunity to advance a much stronger
> vision of how it can serve the common good, writes Sigrid Schmalzer:
>
>
> Which Way for Science? <https://scienceforthepeople.org/index.php/2017/12/27/which-way-for-science/> A statement by the SftP editorial team on the
> occasion of the April 2017 March for Science
>
> __________
>
> DISCUSSION HOSTS/INVITED RESPONDENTS:
>
> Lisette E. Torres is a disabled mother-scholar-activist of color
> dedicated to critically examining the intersections of race, gender,
> disability, and science identity and how they impact knowledge
> production and STEM. She is a former aquatic ecologist, a member of
> Science for the People, and a co-founder for the National Coalition
> for Latinxs with Disabilities (CNLD).
> http://www.latinxdisabilitycoalition.com <http://www.latinxdisabilitycoalition.com/>
> https://about.me/TorresGerald <https://about.me/TorresGerald>
>
>
> Abha Sur is a scientist turned historian of science. She is the author
> of Dispersed Radiance: Caste, Gender, and Modern Science in India (New
> Delhi: Navayana, 2011). She teaches in the Program in Women's & Gender
> Studies and in the Program in Science, Technology, and Society at MIT.
> Abha Sur is a longstanding member of the Alliance for a Secular and
> Democratic South Asia, a Cambridge based organization that raises
> awareness about issues of social justice through seminars, panel
> discussions and cultural events.
>
> John Vandermeer is a theoretical ecologist, agroecologist and tropical
> ecologist, who teaches at the University of Michigan and does research
> in Michigan, Mexico and Puerto Rico. He was a long term member of the
> original SftP, having been at the Chicago AAAS meetings where at least
> one of the beginnings of the organization is reported to have
> happened. He also is a founding member of the New World Agriculture
> and Ecology group, an offshoot of SftP.
>
>
> Ben Allen is a scientist, educator, and labor activist in east
> Tennessee. He is an organizer for the revitalized Science for the
> People and is member of the Science for the People Research
> Collective. In addition to organizing, he works as a contractor on
> computational biology projects related to energy and environment.
>
>
> Alyce Santoro is a conceptual/sound artist and writer with a
> background in biology and scientific illustration. She will be a
> candidate in RISDs new Nature-Culture-Sustainability MA program
> starting in fall 2018. http://www.alycesantoro.com <http://www.alycesantoro.com/>
>
>
> Yasmin Moderators:
>
> Alyce Santoro and Roger Malina
>
------------------------------
Message: 2
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 13:42:28 +0100
From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr
Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] Presentation
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Hello Yasminers,
I would like to present myself.
I'm a polypolymath in arts and science based in Paris.
In science I have an extensive education in medecine, chemistry, biology
(especially neurobiology and neurosciences), and especially in theoretical
physics and pure mathematics. Recently my interests are around foundations
of mathematics, with model theory, set theory, homotopy and type theory,
category theory, topos; I have strong interest in axiomatic approach and
axiomatization and Shelah's works.
In arts, I have a strong development in music, esp. piano, improvisation
writing and composition, dance, esp. contemporary dance, physical theater,
dance theater, somatic education, yoga esp. vinyasasa and tibetan, acting
esp., Meisner practices, transactional analysis, and osteopathy practice. I
also have a strong practice of photography, still and motion. In all those
art fields I have both theoretical and experiential regular practice.
My interests are around artificial intelligence, artificial understanding,
from sensitive point of view and theoretical point of view, and theory of
sensitivity in both mathematical and experiential contexts. I was finalist
Innovator under 35 MITTR with a project involving cameras which capture and
share subjective experience of the spectator. Today's approaches in
artificial intelligence in my opinion have intrinsic limitations, due to
the statistical or naive neuronal approach.
I have strong interests both in entrepreneurship and art creation, and I
guess in some extent academic works, but the context is not particularly
favorable, even considering a "pure mathematics" approach, since subjects
of research have today a top-down approach, which chokes innovation (in
Paris at least).
I'm those days having lots of entrepreneur moves, and I might prepare PhD
in mathematics provided I find the right conditions to do it.
Cheers to all
Mathieu
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Dear YASMINers,
We would like to announce that YASMIN is now moving on to phase [3]. We
started YASMIN in 2005 as a network of artists, scientists, engineers,
theoreticians and institutions promoting collaboration in art, science
and technology around the Mediterranean Rim and beyond. In its first
phase (2005-2009), YASMIN was an online forum with an announcements and
a discussions part. Then we moved to phase [2] (2009 ? 2017) where
YASMIN became a (mailman-based) mailing list consisting of a
YASMIN_announements and a YASMIN_discussions sub-list.
For various reasons of improving the functionality and robustness of our
system, we are now moving YASMIN to a new server and entering phase [3].
The lists will continue to function as they were and there is no need
for all subscribers to re-subscribe, as we have already done this for
you. However, we are still developing the new interface as well as the
archives of phase [1], phase [2] and current messages of phase [3]. We
need some more time for that and we will inform you when these are
ready.
For now, let?s start communicating again through YASMIN and Roger Malina
with Alyce Santoro have prepared a fascinating discussion subject to
start the new phase in the best possible manner. You will receive
relevant info very soon.
Please remember that YASMIN is above all a community and a project
supported by the voluntary work of all participating in it (artists,
academics, moderators, developers, etc.)
Best wishes
The YASMIN team of moderators
Roger Malina, Dimitris Charitos, Nina Czegledy, Pau Alsina, Monica
Bello, Ricardo Mbarkho, Guillermo Munoz Matutano, Houssine Soussi,
Jadwiga Charzynska
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 17:09:39 -0600
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YASMINERS
we have good news, thanks to the hard work of Dimitris Charitos the list is now
up again on the cloud and we are pleased to announce the promised discussion
on Science for the People: Radical Science for the 21st Century.
The discussion will be moderated by Alyce Santoro and myself.
the science for the people organisation just held a convention
https://scienceforthepeople.org/index.php/national-convention/
if you attended we encourage you to tell us about it
Alyce and Roger
Science for the People: Radical Science for the 21st Century.
SUMMARY:
In the late 1960s through late 1980s, scientists unwilling to
contribute to the development of technologies that pollute, oppress,
and destroy, or to research tainted by military, political, and
corporate interests, were organizing around the questions ?Why are we
scientists? For whose benefit do we serve? What is the full measure of
our moral and social responsibility??. Members of Science for the
People (SftP) (sometimes referred to more generally as ?the radical
science movement?) were dedicated to crafting a science that is
ethical, egalitarian, and cooperative, and were committed in their own
work to research that above all serves the health of humans and the
environment.
Science for the People is currently being revitalized by scientists
and scholars on college campuses across the US. Science for the
People: Documents from America?s Movement of Radical Scientists, a
brand new anthology of historical material, is fresh off the presses.
The second annual SftP National Convention took place at the
University of Michigan from February 2-4, 2017.
A bit more background:
Don't Just Defend Science, Mobilize It for the People: While science
is under attack, it could be an opportunity to advance a much stronger
vision of how it can serve the common good, writes Sigrid Schmalzer:
Which Way for Science? A statement by the SftP editorial team on the
occasion of the April 2017 March for Science
__________
DISCUSSION HOSTS/INVITED RESPONDENTS:
Lisette E. Torres is a disabled mother-scholar-activist of color
dedicated to critically examining the intersections of race, gender,
disability, and science identity and how they impact knowledge
production and STEM. She is a former aquatic ecologist, a member of
Science for the People, and a co-founder for the National Coalition
for Latinxs with Disabilities (CNLD).
http://www.latinxdisabilitycoalition.com
https://about.me/TorresGerald
Abha Sur is a scientist turned historian of science. She is the author
of Dispersed Radiance: Caste, Gender, and Modern Science in India (New
Delhi: Navayana, 2011). She teaches in the Program in Women's & Gender
Studies and in the Program in Science, Technology, and Society at MIT.
Abha Sur is a longstanding member of the Alliance for a Secular and
Democratic South Asia, a Cambridge based organization that raises
awareness about issues of social justice through seminars, panel
discussions and cultural events.
John Vandermeer is a theoretical ecologist, agroecologist and tropical
ecologist, who teaches at the University of Michigan and does research
in Michigan, Mexico and Puerto Rico. He was a long term member of the
original SftP, having been at the Chicago AAAS meetings where at least
one of the beginnings of the organization is reported to have
happened. He also is a founding member of the New World Agriculture
and Ecology group, an offshoot of SftP.
Ben Allen is a scientist, educator, and labor activist in east
Tennessee. He is an organizer for the revitalized Science for the
People and is member of the Science for the People Research
Collective. In addition to organizing, he works as a contractor on
computational biology projects related to energy and environment.
Alyce Santoro is a conceptual/sound artist and writer with a
background in biology and scientific illustration. She will be a
candidate in RISDs new Nature-Culture-Sustainability MA program
starting in fall 2018. http://www.alycesantoro.com
Yasmin Moderators:
Alyce Santoro and Roger Malina
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Dear YASMINers,
We would like to announce that YASMIN is now moving on to phase [3]. We
started YASMIN in 2005 as a network of artists, scientists, engineers,
theoreticians and institutions promoting collaboration in art, science
and technology around the Mediterranean Rim and beyond. In its first
phase (2005-2009), YASMIN was an online forum with an announcements and
a discussions part. Then we moved to phase [2] (2009 ? 2017) where
YASMIN became a (mailman-based) mailing list consisting of a
YASMIN_announements and a YASMIN_discussions sub-list.
For various reasons of improving the functionality and robustness of our
system, we are now moving YASMIN to a new server and entering phase [3].
The lists will continue to function as they were and there is no need
for all subscribers to re-subscribe, as we have already done this for
you. However, we are still developing the new interface as well as the
archives of phase [1], phase [2] and current messages of phase [3]. We
need some more time for that and we will inform you when these are
ready.
For now, let?s start communicating again through YASMIN and Roger Malina
with Alyce Santoro have prepared a fascinating discussion subject to
start the new phase in the best possible manner. You will receive
relevant info very soon.
Please remember that YASMIN is above all a community and a project
supported by the voluntary work of all participating in it (artists,
academics, moderators, developers, etc.)
Best wishes
The YASMIN team of moderators
Roger Malina, Dimitris Charitos, Nina Czegledy, Pau Alsina, Monica
Bello, Ricardo Mbarkho, Guillermo Munoz Matutano, Houssine Soussi,
Jadwiga Charzynska
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 17:09:39 -0600
From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr
Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] yasmin discussion Science for the People
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YASMINERS
we have good news, thanks to the hard work of Dimitris Charitos the list is now
up again on the cloud and we are pleased to announce the promised discussion
on Science for the People: Radical Science for the 21st Century.
The discussion will be moderated by Alyce Santoro and myself.
the science for the people organisation just held a convention
https://scienceforthepeople.org/index.php/national-convention/
if you attended we encourage you to tell us about it
Alyce and Roger
Science for the People: Radical Science for the 21st Century.
SUMMARY:
In the late 1960s through late 1980s, scientists unwilling to
contribute to the development of technologies that pollute, oppress,
and destroy, or to research tainted by military, political, and
corporate interests, were organizing around the questions ?Why are we
scientists? For whose benefit do we serve? What is the full measure of
our moral and social responsibility??. Members of Science for the
People (SftP) (sometimes referred to more generally as ?the radical
science movement?) were dedicated to crafting a science that is
ethical, egalitarian, and cooperative, and were committed in their own
work to research that above all serves the health of humans and the
environment.
Science for the People is currently being revitalized by scientists
and scholars on college campuses across the US. Science for the
People: Documents from America?s Movement of Radical Scientists, a
brand new anthology of historical material, is fresh off the presses.
The second annual SftP National Convention took place at the
University of Michigan from February 2-4, 2017.
A bit more background:
Don't Just Defend Science, Mobilize It for the People: While science
is under attack, it could be an opportunity to advance a much stronger
vision of how it can serve the common good, writes Sigrid Schmalzer:
Which Way for Science? A statement by the SftP editorial team on the
occasion of the April 2017 March for Science
__________
DISCUSSION HOSTS/INVITED RESPONDENTS:
Lisette E. Torres is a disabled mother-scholar-activist of color
dedicated to critically examining the intersections of race, gender,
disability, and science identity and how they impact knowledge
production and STEM. She is a former aquatic ecologist, a member of
Science for the People, and a co-founder for the National Coalition
for Latinxs with Disabilities (CNLD).
http://www.latinxdisabilitycoalition.com
https://about.me/TorresGerald
Abha Sur is a scientist turned historian of science. She is the author
of Dispersed Radiance: Caste, Gender, and Modern Science in India (New
Delhi: Navayana, 2011). She teaches in the Program in Women's & Gender
Studies and in the Program in Science, Technology, and Society at MIT.
Abha Sur is a longstanding member of the Alliance for a Secular and
Democratic South Asia, a Cambridge based organization that raises
awareness about issues of social justice through seminars, panel
discussions and cultural events.
John Vandermeer is a theoretical ecologist, agroecologist and tropical
ecologist, who teaches at the University of Michigan and does research
in Michigan, Mexico and Puerto Rico. He was a long term member of the
original SftP, having been at the Chicago AAAS meetings where at least
one of the beginnings of the organization is reported to have
happened. He also is a founding member of the New World Agriculture
and Ecology group, an offshoot of SftP.
Ben Allen is a scientist, educator, and labor activist in east
Tennessee. He is an organizer for the revitalized Science for the
People and is member of the Science for the People Research
Collective. In addition to organizing, he works as a contractor on
computational biology projects related to energy and environment.
Alyce Santoro is a conceptual/sound artist and writer with a
background in biology and scientific illustration. She will be a
candidate in RISDs new Nature-Culture-Sustainability MA program
starting in fall 2018. http://www.alycesantoro.com
Yasmin Moderators:
Alyce Santoro and Roger Malina
For information
YASMIN POLICY
NETIQUETTE RULES
No HTML, no attachments TXT ONLY emails
The information or discussion in the posts should be relevant to the
Mediterranean Area and the field of Art, Science and Technology
The official language of the Yasmin list is English. However, posts in
other languages mastered by the moderators are allowed as long as a
summary of the post in English is provided. Those languages are
currently: Arabic, Catalan, French, Greek, Hebrew, Italian,
Portuguese, Spanish, and Turkish
The list is moderated
Meaningful discussions require courtesy and mutual respect
SUBSCRIPTION POLICY
Each new subscriber is strongly invited to introduce him/herself to
the list and describe his/her activities
Subscription of new members has to be approved by the moderators
Subscriptions may be terminated or suspended in the case of persistent
violation of netiquette
The list archives are publicly available, so Yasmin list can also be
consulted and followed by people who are not subscribed
Lessons Learned
Whenever possible, the discussion goes better if the posts address
one point or at most two,
Posts should be ?short?: 2-3 paragraphs max
The organiser of the discussion ?manages? the central topic being
discussed at a given time( otherwise the discussion goes into multiple
direction and tends to dissipate).
The moderators are tasked with addressing problems such as making sure
spam doesnt get into the discussion I ideally one of the organisers
acts as a moderator to decide which post is approved immediately,
which are deferred to keep the discussion at a given time running its
course.
Best not to approve more than 1-2 posts a day. Otherwise most
yasminers will disconnect,
Moderators over the years have had to block certain posts after
discussion with the person posting, because the topic had little
connection with the discussion under way, or was basically a personal
marketing promotion rather than engaging in discussion. The moderators
can block a post for ?reason? but must notify the other moderators and
the person posting that the post has been blocked. In some cases there
are culturally awkward discussions which are difficult to do on line,
and easier face to face.
roger malina
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School of Economics and Political Sciences
National and Kapodistrian University of Athens
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