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1. Re: science for the people discussion: redesigning science
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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 15:03:35 +0100
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Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] science for the people discussion:
redesigning science itself
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Dear Yasminers and Moderators,
In the previous Yasmin List-system, we could identify
immediately who was sending the message and we could answer
this person only if we wanted to.
It seems that this function is no longer possible, which is
a bit annoying.
So, I would kindly ask that everyone makes sure to *sign*
their post with their full names + email.
Thanks!
Annick Bureaud (anikburo(at)gmail.com)
Le 02/03/2018 ? 00:05, YASMIN DISCUSSIONS a ?crit?:
> Alyce
> thanks for starting the discussion on science for the people
> Science for the People: Radical Science for the 21st Century.
>
> your post about the Dec 2017 Las ConCiencias conference ? "a call for
> scientists to organize, to create new organizational systems for
> aiding grassroots struggles? you say "gets to the heart of issues
> around how to create a science that is truly by and for the people":
>
> i have three related comments
>
> a) as you know i have been advocating that we change 'science for the
> people' to 'science for the people and planet" because the scientific
> method is implicitly anthropocentric since humans conduct science (
> there is an interesting literature on how the fact that humans are
> symmetric animals has biased us towards the use of symmetry principles
> in science and thus missing certain kinds of hypotheses)
>
> b) in the last few years there has been a dramatic growth in
> discoveries being made by AI/deep learning algorithms -there was a
> recent editorial in science magazine which pointed out that the
> scientists who use these AI systems cannot explain how the discovery
> was made by the deep learning system, nor what hypotheses were tested
> and discarded- so the software should be one of the co authors ( judge
> john marshall has written about how this poses the problem of how
> you interrogate software the same way you can interrogate the human on
> what exactly they did so you can replicate it)
>
> c) so yes -one of the issues for science for the people and planet in
> the 21st century is the whole issue of how science is embedded in
> society ( right now its conducted in ghettos called R and D labs or
> also in ghettos called universities !) so yes the social embedding of
> science needs to be redesigned as advocated by helga nowotny and
> others, and the Las ConCiencias conference group is one issue.
>
> but i think also the scientific method itself needs to be redesigned (
> as it has always evolved over the centuries- newton would not
> recognise current scientific methods !) not only to take into account
> the AI issue i mentioned above, but also the development of the
> sciences of complexity where emergent phenomena cannot be attributed
> to simple cause and effect relationships using the kinds of equations
> develped over the centuries ( eg you cant write an equation for
> climate change, or your state of mind !)
>
> if any yasminers attended Las ConCiencias conference it would be
> great to hear from you !
>
> roger malina in response to alyce santoros post below
>
>
>
>
> the science for the people organisation just held a convention
>
> https://scienceforthepeople.org/index.php/national-convention/
>
> if you attended we encourage you to tell us about it
>
> Alyce and Roger
>
> Science for the People: Radical Science for the 21st Century.
> roger malina
> is in Dallas
>
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