Saturday, October 3, 2009

Re: [Yasmin_discussions] artists workng with scientists in extreme environments

Dear Simon

Is this not a rather Cartesian, mind/body split way of seeing
things. Please refer to George Lakoff and Mark Johnson's Philosophy
in the Flesh, or Francisco Varela's The Embodied Mind: Cognitive
Science and Human Experience, or Maurice Merleau-Ponty's
Phenomenology of Perception, or...

All the best

David

On 3 Oct 2009, at 16:59, Simon Biggs wrote:

> It could be asserted that exploring extreme states of mind (as
> opposed to
> the brain) is standard operating artists procedure (SOAP). The mind is
> arguably an imagined thing and artists routinely seek to imagine it
> in its
> strangest or most extreme state, whether as something isolated
> (mind as
> location of the individual) or networked (the mind as instantiation
> of the
> social being). As an artist I consciously seek to do this,
> imagining myself
> into a mental state. When it starts to feel dangerous that's when I
> think I
> might be getting somewhere.
>
> There is also a long history of artists who have been regarded as
> rather
> mad. Whether they were so because they were ill (in conventional
> medical
> terms – John Martin, for example - which is deeply problematic for
> anyone of
> a Foucauldian or Langian persuasion) or pushing their ideas to
> extremes
> (such that people thought them mad) or simply taking too many drugs
> (that
> seems to render other people mad).
>
> Turning back to extreme environments, artists have similarly
> explored these,
> even when the places they visited were either not that extreme or were
> actually imaginary. Here I am thinking of the Romantics, with
> Caspar David
> Friedrich or Beethoven seeking to evoke what they felt to be the
> sublime
> (extreme) in nature and the (extreme) states this transported them
> to. There
> was no need for them to go to the Moon to achieve this – although
> perhaps in
> our over-stimulated society this is the reason artists are seeking
> to do
> this. They are simply exhibiting our shared symptoms of environmental
> disassociation.
>
> Best
>
> Simon
>
>
> Simon Biggs
>
> Research Professor
> edinburgh college of art
> s.biggs@eca.ac.uk
> www.eca.ac.uk
>
> Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments
> www.eca.ac.uk/circle/
>
> simon@littlepig.org.uk
> www.littlepig.org.uk
> AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk
>
>
>
> From: roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu>
> Reply-To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@estia.media.uoa.gr>
> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 17:15:19 +0200
> To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <Yasmin_discussions@estia.media.uoa.gr>
> Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] artists workng with scientists in
> extreme
> environments
>
> yasminers
> here is another thought- are extreme environments only
> physical/geographical
> exploration- or can one also explore extreme mental states ?
>
> yesterday i was with christian xerri who is a neuroscientist in
> marseille
> and
> jim gimzewksi
>
> were were discussing the work that xerri does with alzheimers
> patients
>
> christian's work includes looking at ways the brain re organises
> itself after trauma
>
> *Curre*
> *Research topics *
>
> 1. Experience-dependent malleability of somatosensory cortical maps
> during development and maturation.
> 2. Postlesion remodeling of somatosensory maps after brain damage.
> 3. Spatio-temporal coding of tactile inputs within cortical
> networks.
> 4. Biochemical and morphological mechanisms involved in
> somatosensory map
> reorganization.
> 5. Elaboration and recognition of haptic and visual forms: a
> fMRI study.
>
> christian's son your is an artist and art therapist and they are
> working on
> art science collaborations
>
> xerri's lab has developed interactive software tools that are used
> to help
> patients with impaired
> memory etc
>
>
> a related connection is how humans in extreme environments have
> modified
> percetion
> , i heard a talk by michel marcelin who mentioned that at high altidue
> vision is affected ( see for instance
> http://ajplegacy.physiology.org/cgi/pdf_extract/140/3/354 )
>
> so for the discussion i thought i would introduce the topic of
> modification
> of mental states
> in extrement enviroments, but also extreme zones of mental states
> themselves
> as part
> of this discussion
>
> roger
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David Haley BA(Hons) MA FRSA

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Re: [Yasmin_discussions] artists workng with scientists in extreme environments

It could be asserted that exploring extreme states of mind (as opposed to
the brain) is standard operating artists procedure (SOAP). The mind is
arguably an imagined thing and artists routinely seek to imagine it in its
strangest or most extreme state, whether as something isolated (mind as
location of the individual) or networked (the mind as instantiation of the
social being). As an artist I consciously seek to do this, imagining myself
into a mental state. When it starts to feel dangerous that¹s when I think I
might be getting somewhere.

There is also a long history of artists who have been regarded as rather
mad. Whether they were so because they were ill (in conventional medical
terms ­ John Martin, for example - which is deeply problematic for anyone of
a Foucauldian or Langian persuasion) or pushing their ideas to extremes
(such that people thought them mad) or simply taking too many drugs (that
seems to render other people mad).

Turning back to extreme environments, artists have similarly explored these,
even when the places they visited were either not that extreme or were
actually imaginary. Here I am thinking of the Romantics, with Caspar David
Friedrich or Beethoven seeking to evoke what they felt to be the sublime
(extreme) in nature and the (extreme) states this transported them to. There
was no need for them to go to the Moon to achieve this ­ although perhaps in
our over-stimulated society this is the reason artists are seeking to do
this. They are simply exhibiting our shared symptoms of environmental
disassociation.

Best

Simon


Simon Biggs

Research Professor
edinburgh college of art
s.biggs@eca.ac.uk
www.eca.ac.uk

Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments
www.eca.ac.uk/circle/

simon@littlepig.org.uk
www.littlepig.org.uk
AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk

From: roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu>
Reply-To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@estia.media.uoa.gr>
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 17:15:19 +0200
To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <Yasmin_discussions@estia.media.uoa.gr>
Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] artists workng with scientists in extreme
environments

yasminers
here is another thought- are extreme environments only
physical/geographical
exploration- or can one also explore extreme mental states ?

yesterday i was with christian xerri who is a neuroscientist in marseille
and
jim gimzewksi

were were discussing the work that xerri does with alzheimers
patients

christian's work includes looking at ways the brain re organises
itself after trauma

*Curre*
*Research topics *

1. Experience-dependent malleability of somatosensory cortical maps
during development and maturation.
2. Postlesion remodeling of somatosensory maps after brain damage.
3. Spatio-temporal coding of tactile inputs within cortical networks.
4. Biochemical and morphological mechanisms involved in somatosensory map
reorganization.
5. Elaboration and recognition of haptic and visual forms: a fMRI study.

christian's son your is an artist and art therapist and they are working on
art science collaborations

xerri's lab has developed interactive software tools that are used to help
patients with impaired
memory etc


a related connection is how humans in extreme environments have modified
percetion
, i heard a talk by michel marcelin who mentioned that at high altidue
vision is affected ( see for instance
http://ajplegacy.physiology.org/cgi/pdf_extract/140/3/354 )

so for the discussion i thought i would introduce the topic of modification
of mental states
in extrement enviroments, but also extreme zones of mental states themselves
as part
of this discussion

roger
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[Yasmin_discussions] artists workng with scientists in extreme environments

yasminers
here is another thought- are extreme environments only
physical/geographical
exploration- or can one also explore extreme mental states ?

yesterday i was with christian xerri who is a neuroscientist in marseille
and
jim gimzewksi

were were discussing the work that xerri does with alzheimers
patients

christian's work includes looking at ways the brain re organises
itself after trauma

*Curre*
*Research topics *

1. Experience-dependent malleability of somatosensory cortical maps
during development and maturation.
2. Postlesion remodeling of somatosensory maps after brain damage.
3. Spatio-temporal coding of tactile inputs within cortical networks.
4. Biochemical and morphological mechanisms involved in somatosensory map
reorganization.
5. Elaboration and recognition of haptic and visual forms: a fMRI study.

christian's son your is an artist and art therapist and they are working on
art science collaborations

xerri's lab has developed interactive software tools that are used to help
patients with impaired
memory etc


a related connection is how humans in extreme environments have modified
percetion
, i heard a talk by michel marcelin who mentioned that at high altidue
vision is affected ( see for instance
http://ajplegacy.physiology.org/cgi/pdf_extract/140/3/354 )

so for the discussion i thought i would introduce the topic of modification
of mental states
in extrement enviroments, but also extreme zones of mental states themselves
as part
of this discussion

roger
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Friday, October 2, 2009

Re: [Yasmin_discussions] art in extreme environments

I have just been made aware of this by Amanda
McDonald Crowley on my Facebook account (she is working at
Eyebeam in NY and the work of Robert Ransick "Casa Segura"
wich has been developed during a residency at Eyebeam is
featured in the book).

Ruth Slavid's new book "Extreme Architecture, Building for
Challenging Environments". http://bit.ly/vYuWI

Of course, I haven't read it yet. ...

Best
Annick
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Re: [Yasmin_discussions] art in extreme environments

Dear Yasminers,

Some available documents to bring "food for thoughts" and
discussions :

1 - The catalogue of the @rt Outsiders festival is now
available to download at :
http://www.art-outsiders.com/edition2009/expo.htm

This catalogue is bilingual French/English
In it, you'll find :
- texts by the artists about their work
- introduction by the co-curators (Jean-Luc Soret and myself)
- A very interesting and challenging text by Louis Bec that
should bring more debates and exchanges in our discussion
and that I strongly recommend reading.

2 - (Self) interview of Stephen Eastaugh (based on a
question we asked him)
available at :
http://www.art-outsiders.com/edition2009/artiste05.htm
(scroll down the page)
Note that Stephen is currently wintering over at the
antarctic australian base of Mawson and cannot (for various
reasons) take part in our discussion. In this trip, he will
have spend over a year in Antarctica (and he has been to the
Continent several times on shorter stays).
For Stephen (who is familiar with all sorts of environments,
and particularly barren ones), and who is spending *real*
time there, Antarctica is anything but "home" and far from
becoming so, if at all (I think I am true to his ideas by
saying that).
This interview (only 5 minutes long) is worth listening to.

Well, in case, you didn't know what to do during your
week-end, now you have a plan !

Best
Annick

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Re: [Yasmin_discussions] art in extreme environments

to Sarah Jane and all Yasminers


I suspect another way to phrase it shortly is :

from my point of view as long as a place remains "exotic",
we are in trouble, as long as anything remains exotic, we
are in trouble.


Annick

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