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Monday, October 26, 2009

Re: [Yasmin_discussions] The Arts in the Context of Darwinian Theory of Evolution Today

As I send my emails from gmail (all my addresses) I am afraid that it
will be flitered may be, so I resend my email with CC to Roger Malina

2009/10/27 Louise Desrenards <louise.desrenards@free.fr>:
> Dear subscribers,
Dear subscribers,

Formerly I had subscribed on the yasmine list, then there was the war
in Lebanon. When the list was back to normal again, I did not know if
it was necessary to confirm our registratio ; however it seems to me
that I was not any more registered but I did not follow to receive it.
Thus I have just subscribed again to the list under my gmail email
address and I greet you.

What notified me from a friend's alert is the global thematic proposed
by Roger Malina on The Arts in the Context Darwinian Theory of
Evolution Today. The reason of my attention is that from my part as
publisher of a thematic review online and publisher of some print
books I am currently reflecting about the revolution of the thought of
the biological life which places the genetic theory in a relative
measure but not more paradygmatic. The question of stochasticity as
predictable paradigm makes idelological problem because human appears
a random diposition of the species out of any finalism.

As our friends say: the muslim fundamentalism does not agree this new
scientific vision, but more: what is very important to know is that as
well fundamentalist christians as welll current christians do not more
appreciate this theory of the life even in France where although we
have one of the state-of-the-art research in this field, such as the
biologist and epistemologist of Science Jean-Jacques Kupiec who have
just a book out titled "The Origin of Individuals" which the
anglophone version is @ World scientific since March of 2009 and the
French version L'origine des individus @ Fayard since November of
2008. I have the chance to share something from Art and Poetry and
from Philosophy, about sciences from him, and we walk a bit together
for an event or a meeting sometimes.

At this point I can say that there is another problem which is not
ideological but hierarchical: the question of academics power in
certain countries such as ours one, power which is built on the
aristotelian frame that is following in reductionnist view of the
knowledge and of the scientific experiments... where genetics have
structured professional offices, public honors, money, industry and so
on... Because Molecular Biology works with The physics of particles,
and these two sciences walking together.needs personnalities who can
agree this mutual reverse from a field to another one. They are
several among whom from the USA and from Brittany who share the works
with the French team, but not a lot.

There is another reality which awards the heteronomy and the hetero
organization instead of autonomy and self organization, what confers
to the multitudes (diversity and singularity of the multiple),
cognitive knowledge, cognitive education and so on...

It can perfectly reveal the predictable relevance of the Queer theory.
Posthuman Bodies (Unnatural Acts: Theorizing the Performative) by
Judith M. Halberstam and Ira Livingston

Some more sources from Steven Shaviro
http://www.altx.com/interviews/steven.shaviro.html

his different reviews show that he is interested in the new Biology (
he has indexed the original FR version od The origin of individuals
http://www.shaviro.com/Blog/?now_reading_author=jean-jacques-kupiec )
and he quotes him in Panpsychism http://www.shaviro.com/Blog/?p=763
and in Reinventing the Sacred (Stuart Kauffman)
http://www.shaviro.com/Blog/?p=636

here or there
http://www.shaviro.com/Blog/?m=200905
The Medea Hypothesis: Is Life on Earth Ultimately Self-Destructive? by
Peter Ward
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Re: [Yasmin_discussions] The Arts in the Context of Darwinian Theory of Evolution Today

Dear subscribers,

Formerly I had subscribed on the yasmine list, then there was the war
in Lebanon. When the list was back to normal again, I did not know if
it was necessary to confirm our registratio ; however it seems to me
that I was not any more registered but I did not follow to receive it.
Thus I have just subscribed again to the list under my gmail email
address and I greet you.

What notified me from a friend's alert is the global thematic proposed
by Roger Malina on The Arts in the Context Darwinian Theory of
Evolution Today. The reason of my attention is that from my part as
publisher of a thematic review online and publisher of some print
books I am currently reflecting about the revolution of the thought of
the biological life which places the genetic theory in a relative
measure but not more paradygmatic. The question of stochasticity as
predictable paradigm makes idelological problem because human appears
a random diposition of the species out of any finalism.

As our friends say: the muslim fundamentalism does not agree this new
scientific vision, but more: what is very important to know is that as
well fundamentalist christians as welll current christians do not more
appreciate this theory of the life even in France where although we
have one of the state-of-the-art research in this field, such as the
biologist and epistemologist of Science Jean-Jacques Kupiec who have
just a book out titled "The Origin of Individuals" which the
anglophone version is  @ World scientific since March of 2009 and the
French version L'origine des individus @ Fayard since November of
2008. I have the chance to share something from Art and Poetry and
from Philosophy, about sciences from him, and we walk a bit together
for an event or a meeting sometimes.

At this point I can say that there is another problem which is not
ideological but hierarchical: the question of academics power in
certain countries such as ours one, power which is built on the
aristotelian frame that is following in reductionnist view of the
knowledge and of the scientific experiments... where genetics have
structured professional offices, public honors, money, industry and so
on... Because Molecular Biology works with The physics of particles,
and these two sciences walking together.needs personnalities who can
agree this mutual reverse from a field to another one. They are
several among whom from the USA and from Brittany who share the works
with the French team, but not a lot.

There is another reality which awards the heteronomy and the hetero
organization instead if autonomy and self organization, what confers
to the multitudes (diversity and singularity of the multiple),
cognitive knowledge, cognitive education and so on...

It can perfectly reveal the predictable relevance of the Queer theory.
Posthuman Bodies (Unnatural Acts: Theorizing the Performative) by
Judith M. Halberstam and Ira Livingston

Some more sources from Steven Shaviro
http://www.altx.com/interviews/steven.shaviro.html

his different reviews show that he is interested in the new Biology (
he has indexed the original FR version od The origin of individuals
http://www.shaviro.com/Blog/?now_reading_author=jean-jacques-kupiec )
and he quotes him in Panpsychism http://www.shaviro.com/Blog/?p=763
and in Reinventing the Sacred (Stuart Kauffman)
http://www.shaviro.com/Blog/?p=636

here or there
http://www.shaviro.com/Blog/?m=200905
The Medea Hypothesis: Is Life on Earth Ultimately Self-Destructive? by
Peter Ward


2009/10/26 roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu>
>
> jonathan zilbert sends us this link to his text in intelligent
> design in indonesia= unfortunately fundamentalists of mono
> theistic religions in general have trouble with the theory of
> evolution
>
> roger
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: jonathan zilberg <jonathanzilberg@gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 12:28 PM
> Subject: Darwin, Islam and Intelligent Design
> >
>
>
> Dear Roger and Mike,
>
> I thought either of you might be interested in this recently re-posted
> article of mine on Darwin and anti-Darwinism etc in Indonesia.
>
> In case, here is the link:
>
> http://tikarpandan.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=119:on-islam-and-intelligent-design-fusion&catid=54:artikel&Itemid=69
>
> Best regards
>
> Jonathan
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[Yasmin_discussions] The Arts in the Context of Darwinian Theory of Evolution Today

yasminers


Hunter Cole has started a twine on :  Bioart - Living Art

http://www.twine.com/twine/12y4t0bzb-3yc/bioart-living-art

with examples of her art work with bio luminescent bacteria

one of the discussions at the art and darwin symposium
in marseille was articulated by ramon guardans

his talk was on plants and he pointed out how discussions
on evolution tend to center on the evolution of primates,
(us), in a very homo centric fashion whereas an understanding
of deep ecology on the planet as a whole would instead look
at other models for how evolution functions, for instance by looking
at plants and bacteria

JP Changeux in his presentations and comments tends to argument
in ways where the humans are 'more complex' etc ( though we dont
have many more genes than the garden worm, we have many more neurons)
as if complexity in itself was a value

Guardans pointed out the resilience of plants and their ability to adapt
to changing ecological conditions is another way of viewing the success
of living species

the plants have already started migrating in response to climate change
( i think the figure was a few kilometers a year ?) while us primates are
still rebuilding in huricane zones and flood plains !!


are any yasminers creating other art works with bacteria ?
feel free to add your work to hunter cole's twine

http://www.twine.com/twine/12y4t0bzb-3yc/bioart-living-art

roger

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[Yasmin_discussions] The Arts in the Context of Darwinian Theory of Evolution Today

jonathan zilbert sends us this link to his text in intelligent
design in indonesia= unfortunately fundamentalists of mono
theistic religions in general have trouble with the theory of
evolution

roger

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: jonathan zilberg <jonathanzilberg@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 12:28 PM
Subject: Darwin, Islam and Intelligent Design
>


Dear Roger and Mike,

I thought either of you might be interested in this recently re-posted
article of mine on Darwin and anti-Darwinism etc in Indonesia.

In case, here is the link:

http://tikarpandan.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=119:on-islam-and-intelligent-design-fusion&catid=54:artikel&Itemid=69

Best regards

Jonathan
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Sunday, October 25, 2009

[Yasmin_discussions] The Arts in the Context of Darwinian Theory of Evolution Today

Yasminers

we are just out of the three day arts and darwin conference in marseille
and much fun was had by all

one of the issues that of course came up is how neurobiology can
deal with subjective experience, enaction etc

jean pierre changeux made a strong claim that there are objective
correlates in neurobiological signals of subjective experience

martin timsit initiated comments about the need to 'average' results
on brains , and that this averaging process inevitably discriminated against
exceptional individuals, which presumably where the interesting stuff goes
on in creative work

the issue came up again in dominique lestel's presentation on animal
culture of how one deals with 'anecdotic' evidence where one has isolated
examples of behaviours ( eg there is one primate that has been studied
that makes knots=but there is only one known example)

the last day composer jean claude risset reported on his witnessing
a 25 minute musical performance by a lyre bird that was clearly engaged
in activity that gave pleasure to the bird itself and was not a sexual
display

the issue of subjectivity was a ghost in the machine all week

roger
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Wednesday, October 21, 2009

[Yasmin_discussions] The Arts in the Context of Darwinian Theory of Evolution Today/For Fish in Coral Reefs, It’s Useful to Be Smart

NYTimes
October 20, 2009
Remarkable Creatures
For Fish in Coral Reefs, It's Useful to Be Smart
By SEAN B. CARROLL

I have long suspected that fish are smarter than we give them credit for.

As a child, I had an aquarium with several pet goldfish. They
certainly knew it was feeding time when my hand appeared over their
tank, and they excitedly awaited their delicious fish flakes.

They also exhibited a darker, disturbing behavior. Evidently, a safe
life with abundant food was not fulfilling. From time to time, either
sheer ennui or the long gray Toledo winter got to one of the fish and
it ended its torment with a leap to my bedroom floor.

Maybe my anthropomorphizing is a bit over the top. But, really, just
how smart are fish? Can they learn?

A 10-gallon tank with a plastic sunken pirate ship is certainly not
the most stimulating habitat. But in the colorful, diverse and
dangerous world of coral reefs, fish must be able to recognize not
only food, but also to discriminate friends from foes, and mates from
rivals, and to take the best action. In such a complex and dynamic
environment, it would pay to be flexible and able to learn.

A series of studies has recently revealed that reef fish are
surprisingly adaptable. Freshly caught wild fish quickly learn new
tasks and can learn to discriminate among colors, patterns and shapes,
including those they have never encountered. These studies suggest
that learning and interpreting new stimuli play important roles in the
lives of reef fish.

To test the ability of fish to learn to discriminate shapes, a
research team led by Ulrike E. Siebeck at the University of Queensland
in Brisbane, Australia, trained damselfish to feed from a feeding tube
to which they attached a variety of visual stimuli. The latter
included a three-dimensional latex disc, a two-dimensional blue disc
painted on a plastic board, or black circles or propeller patterns on
white boards. The fish were rewarded with food when they repeatedly
tapped the stimulus — not the tube — with their snout or mouth.

The fish rapidly learned this task. The researchers then presented the
fish with the original stimulus and one alternative distracting shape
— bars versus discs, squares versus discs, or circles versus
propellers, and the fish had to nose the shape they had been trained
to tap in order to receive a reward. The fish tapped the correct shape
about 70 percent of the time in the first trial; this improved to 80
percent to 90 percent in subsequent trials.

Remarkably, the fish also learned when the food reward was delayed and
delivered far from the stimulus. The damselfish exhibited what is
called anticipatory behavior, in that they would tap the image and
then swim quickly to the other end of their tank in anticipation of
their food reward. This response is much like Pavlov's dogs who
learned to anticipate food at the sound of a bell.

In another set of experiments, Dr. Siebeck trained damselfish on
different color stimuli. She selected blue and yellow because these
are highly contrasting colors that are found on many reef fish. After
the fish quickly learned to repeatedly tap colored latex targets to
gain a food reward, they were presented with a choice between the
training target and the alternative color target. The fish were even
better at color discrimination, tapping the correct target more than
90 percent of the time.

Perhaps it is less surprising that the fish learned to discriminate
colors. After all, they live in a colorful environment. But the
question of why reef fish are typically so colorful has challenged
biologists for a very long time. It seems obvious that bright color
patterns would be effective communication signals in the shallow,
well-lighted water around coral reefs. But in that fish-eat-fish
world, bright colors would also make fish conspicuous to predators. So
how are these advantages and disadvantages balanced?

It turns out that some brightly colored fish make a living by
providing a valuable service to what may otherwise be their predators:
they clean them. In fact, cleaner fish like the cleaner wrasse form an
important part of coral reef communities. They establish small
territories as "cleaning stations," which are visited by all sorts of
"client" fish that have their parasites removed.

The cleaners' work ethic is astounding. Alexandra Grutter of the
University of Queensland found that individual cleaner wrasse
inspected as many as 2,300 fish and consumed up to 1,200 parasites a
day, which amounted to about 7 percent of their body weight.
Furthermore, Dr. Grutter found that fish on reefs without cleaner fish
had about five times the number of parasites compared with fish on
reefs with cleaners.

It would seem, then, that it would benefit potential clients to visit
cleaning stations, and for carnivorous clients not to eat their
cleaners. So, how do clients find and recognize cleaners? It appears
that certain body colors, particularly blue and yellow, signal
cleaning behavior to potential clients.

To investigate the role of color in the cleaner-client relationship,
another research team from the University of Queensland — including
Dr. Grutter, Karen Cheney, Simon Blomberg and N. Justin Marshall —
first looked at the distribution of body colors among cleaner and
noncleaner fish from the same families. They found cleaner fish were
significantly more likely to have a blue or yellow coloration.

Furthermore, they showed that these colors were the most contrasting
ones on coral backgrounds to clients like barracuda or surgeonfish and
that the contrast was enhanced against black backgrounds. In fact, all
species they examined that make their living solely from cleaning also
had a contrast-enhancing black lateral body stripe adjacent to these
colors, whereas none of the 31 noncleaner species were so marked.

To test whether potential clients paid attention to these color
schemes, the researchers painted models with various permutations of
cleaner colors in which they omitted the blue pattern or replaced it
with red, or altered the pattern, orientation and width of body
stripes. They then placed these models around reefs fringing Lizard
Island, at the northern end of the Great Barrier Reef, and observed
the frequency with which client fish visited the models. They found
that the model that most closely represented the natural blue-streak
cleaner wrasse pattern was visited more frequently than any other
model color scheme.

In a similar study performed off Sulawesi, Indonesia, the length of
the model's black body stripe also affected the frequency of client
visits. On coral reefs, it pays to advertise, even when potential
enemies abound.

With their attention to colors, patterns and shapes and their ability
to learn about new forms, one wonders how much these creatures can
learn and what limitations they might have. They couldn't read Dr.
Seuss, of course, but they might enjoy looking at the pictures.

Sean B. Carroll, a molecular biologist and geneticist, is the author
of "Remarkable Creatures: Epic Adventures in the Search for the Origin
of Species," which has been nominated for a National Book Award.

On 10/21/09, roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> From: david mcconville <id@elumenati.com>
>
>
>
> Roger,
>
> I'm responding off-list because this isn't directly related to your
> question, but I recently gave a couple of performances at CalAcademy's
> new Morrison Planetarium (50th anniversary of Vortex Performances!)
> entitled "Perceiving Home: An Ecological View of the Cosmos". I'm
> increasingly focused in my own work on how "ecology" is an apt lens
> through which to consider not only the interactions of organisms with
> their environment, but also our perceptions within those interactions.
> Getting quite positive feedback since cosmological narratives -
> especially in science center contexts - are often focused on
> communicating the quantitative nature of observations than on
> discussions of ecological principles present across scales.
>
> I'm continuing to tour with this performance/presentation - something
> that seems relevant to the Darwinian Theory topics...
>
> cheers,
> david
>
>
>
>> Perceiving Home:
>> An Ecological View of the Cosmos
>> October 3rd, 2009
>> Presentations at 8pm and 9:30pm
>> West Coast Green After-Party at California Academy of Science Morrison
>> Planetarium
>> San Francisco, CA
>> Visions of the cosmos profoundly influence our interpretations of reality,
>> shaping the lenses through which we perceive the world. While mechanistic
>> metaphors have dominated our understanding since the scientific
>> revolution, contemporary sciences are discovering a universe that is
>> complex, dynamic, evolving, and self-organizing. The most radical findings
>> have revealed systemic interconnections across phenomena at micro and
>> macro scales that have contributed to the genesis and sustenance of life.
>> Perceiving Home visualizes some of these connections through an immersive
>> journey across vast scales of time and space within Cal Academy's new
>> state-of-the-art Morrison Planetarium. Using an interactive 3D atlas of
>> the observable universe, it explores how an emerging ecological paradigm
>> is shifting our perspectives on global and cosmic life support systems and
>> transforming perceptions of our home planet.
>>
>> Perceiving Home will be presented by media artist David McConville, the
>> Director of Noospheric Research of The Elumenati and a Director of the
>> Buckminster Fuller Institute. Live musical accompaniment will be provided
>> by violist Christen Lien , a classically trained violist that performs
>> original compositions using guitar effects and a looping machine that are
>> a beautiful mixture of East and West, classical and postmodern, and
>> acoustic and electronic.
>>
> ---
>
> david mcconville
> director, noospheric research division
> http://www.elumenati.com
>
> O
>
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