Pau
thanks for your comment and in particular:
But I have to say that in our case we didn't follow the track we opened by
> creating, for example, a Society, Association, or else that could have
> definitively helped to take the White Paper beyond that moment and continue
> to influence cultural policies and strengthen the community as a whole. We
> still have this in the list of key things to do.
I guess its not clear to me how this SEAD community of practice should
organise itself as a collective of interested people= there are dozens or
even hundreds of existing organisations and societies that do a great job.
I suspect we need to think differently for two obvious reasons:
a) we need to re invent professional organisations in the networked
world= maybe we need networks of networks rather than new
organisations. Professional societies are an invention of the
nineteenth century ( taking over from guilds etc).What is a twenty
first century model of how emerging communities of practice can
link to each other and be mutually supportive.
b) the science/engineering to arts/design/humanities covers a vast
territory= and in fact in many cases dont share the same "culture
of practice" ( we see the disintegration under way in new media arts
because new media is not a conceptually clear category)
In the book by allen repko on interdisciplinary theory and practice
one of the things he does is discuss how different kinds of scientists
have different cultures
eg observational sciences like astronomy
vs experimental sciences like chemistry
vs field sciences like ecology
vs mathematical sciences like complex networks
they are all sciences but in fact the scientists have different practices.
does it make sense to combine them all or should we create
translation methods between culturs of practice ?
in arts and humanities we also find similar variations on how
the discipline deals with information about the world
and intervening in the world= time based arts differ
from architecture etc
Anway i know that the FECYT report and the process that led to
it was very useful in spain= as are other efforts internationally
for instance in the USA the mellon foundation has just funded a major
project to promote integrating arts practice into the research university
http://artsengine.umich.edu/
ArtsEngine National has been awarded a $500,000, 3.5 year grant from
the Andrew W. Mellon
Foundation to create the first comprehensive guide to best practices
in the integration of arts
practice in U.S. research universities. To be published in Fall 2015,
the guide is to identify models,
obstacles, implementation strategies, costs, and impact on students
and faculty as well as on
research, practice, and teaching in other knowledge areas.
With this award, the Mellon Foundation has enabled the national
network to make major progress
toward our mission of integrating arts practice into the research university.
This activity of course is a heads on collision between the "studio
based" artists practice
versus the research model for the arts ( and all the debate on to PhD
or not to PhD )
So my question to your statement:
"But I have to say that in our case we didn't follow the track we opened by
> creating, for example, a Society, Association, or else that could have
> definitively helped to take the White Paper beyond that moment and continue
> to influence cultural policies and strengthen the community as a whole. We
> still have this in the list of key things to do."
is what is really missing in the organisational landscape ? how do
we network networks ? what are the roadblocks to implementing the
FECYT report recommendations ?
roger
On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Pau Alsina <palsinag@uoc.edu> wrote:
> Dear Roger and Roc,
>
> I find truly valuable the creation and sharing of White Papers in AST, or
> better, SEAD as you named it.
>
> In the case of Spain I can say that it contributed to influence (slowly,
> and in some aspects) the cultural policies of some cities like Barcelona,
> Madrid or other places. The creation of a collectively organised discourse
> and a set of practical actions to do I believe has proved to be highly
> strategically relevant.
>
> But I have to say that in our case we didn't follow the track we opened by
> creating, for example, a Society, Association, or else that could have
> definitively helped to take the White Paper beyond that moment and continue
> to influence cultural policies and strengthen the community as a whole. We
> still have this in the list of key things to do.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Pau Alsina
>
>
>
>
> 2012/7/4 Roc Parés i Burguès <roc.pares@upf.edu>
>
>> Dear Roger and Dear Yasminers,
>>
>> Allow me to contribute to your SEAD project with this reference on a
>> similar initiative, leaded by José Luis Brea (1957-2010), in which I had
>> the honour of participating, in 2007.
>>
>> "White Paper on the Interrelation of Art, Science and Technology in Spain"
>> http://www.fecyt.es/fecyt/docs/tmp/115539236.pdf
>>
>> Published by:
>> FECYT (Spanish Foundation for Science and Technology)
>> National Book Catalogue Number: M-9179-2007
>> ISBN: 978-84-690-3520-7
>>
>> This document is a bilingual edition in Spanish and in English and has
>> these four different chapters:
>>
>>
>> 1. Training: Salomé Cuesta and Bárbaro Miyares (Polytechnic University
>> of Valencia)
>> 2. Research: Juan Martín Prada (University of Cádiz)
>> 3. Production: Roc Parés (Pompeu Fabra University)
>> 4. Dissemination: Remedios Zafra (University of Seville)
>>
>>
>> Pau Alsina (Open University of Catalonia) was the relator of the book and
>> can provide more details on the whole process of preparation, discussion
>> and final elaboration of the conclusions, actions and recommendations to
>> Policy Makers gathered in this book.
>>
>> I hope you all find it useful.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> Roc Parés
>>
>> 2012/7/4 roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu>
>>
>> > Dear YASMINERS
>> >
>> > I am proposing that on YASMIN DISCUSSION LIST we have some discussions
>> > on the problems that we face when we try to establish collaboration
>> between
>> > science/engineering with arts/design/humanities= with recommendations on
>> > how
>> > to overcome these problems. But also how to take advantage of the new
>> > opportunities.
>> >
>> > This is part of a project that a network of us have been developing ,
>> > SEAD, and will result in a report next summer 2013. Many reports have
>> > already been
>> > written and we will also be doing a meta-analysis of previous reports.
>> > We are working
>> > on a compilation of previous reports which you will find on our web site.
>> >
>> > http://sead.viz.tamu.edu/projects/white_papers.html
>> >
>> > Beyond the discussion on YASMIN, we would be delighted if any YASMINERS
>> > would like to develop what we are calling a white paper- this is a
>> > document (or
>> > can be a video) which identifies problems and opportunities with specific
>> > recommendations on how to enable the solutions. I provide more details
>> > below
>> > but you can find our inititial web site at:
>> >
>> > http://sead.viz.tamu.edu/projects/white_papers.html
>> >
>> > If you are not already on the YASMIN DISCUSSION list you need to
>> subscribe
>> > at
>> >
>> > http://estia.media.uoa.gr/mailman/listinfo/yasmin_discussions
>> >
>> > Here follows additional details
>> >
>> > Roger Malina
>> > YASMIN co moderator
>> >
>> > All of us encounter many roadblocks to develop
>> > the new opportunities that link science/engineering to
>> > arts/design/humanities
>> >
>> > In this international initiative we are calling for 'white papers' or
>> > short texts that identify problems
>> > and opportunities when one tries to have science/engineering
>> professionals
>> > collaborate with those in arts/humanities/design.
>> >
>> > These reports can be very short- one page with one recommendation, or
>> > even utube videos- or longer, They can be written by one person or many.
>> >
>> > We are also compiling all the reports written on these issues in the last
>> > twenty years and will be doing a meta-analysis of the previous
>> > recommendations.
>> >
>> > We would be delighted if anyone on YASMIN would like to submit a short or
>> > longer white paper with recommendations. Please contact me at rmalina
>> > ( AT) alum.mit.edu
>> >
>> >
>> > More details below
>> > Roger Malina
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > SEAD Network for Sciences, Engineering, Arts and Design announces a
>> > call for White Papers on issues facing the international community
>> > seeking to enhance transdisciplinary collaboration
>> >
>> > We are seeking to survey concerns, roadblocks and opportunities, and
>> > solicit recommendations for enhancing collaboration between sciences
>> > and engineering with practioners in arts and design. These position
>> > papers will be submitted as part of a report to US National Science
>> > Foundation and the community
>> > from the SEAD network in the summer of 2013. With grateful
>> > appreciation for US funding, we recognize that activity connecting the
>> > sciences, engineering, to arts, and design is international and,
>> > furthermore, that global involvements are essential in today's
>> > economy. Therefore we are interested both in what US collaborators can
>> > learn from experiences in other countries, and vice versa, institution
>> > or region specific issues, and also in how to foster collaborations
>> > that bridge beyond regions . Cultural cross-fertilization
>> > via the SEAD network – whether from disciplinary, organizational or
>> > ethnic perspectives – is a vital component of our purpose and goals.
>> >
>> > Chair, Roger Malina, Leonardo/ISAST Chair Emeritus, Leonardo Governing
>> > Board Member. Distinguished Professor of Art and Technology at the
>> > University of Texas, Dallas
>> >
>> > Co-Chair, Carol Strohecker, Director, Center for Design Innovation,
>> > University of North Carolina system; Professor, Winston-Salem State
>> > University; Chief Research Officer & Instructor, UNC School of the
>> > Arts; SEAD Co-PI
>> >
>> > For more information:
>> >
>> > http://sead.viz.tamu.edu/projects/white_papers.html
>> >
>> > This material is based upon work supported by the National Science
>> > Foundation under Grant No.1142510 , IS, Human Centered Computing,
>> > "Collaborative Research: EAGER: Network for Science, Engineering, Arts
>> > and Design (NSEAD)
>> >
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