Tuesday, November 30, 2010

[Yasmin_discussions] Science, Technology, Art, POETRY

From: sharada srinivasan <sharasri@gmail.com>


Nice to hear of this new Yasmin effort re poetry;
and nice to hear that you write poetry!

new YASMIN discussion beginning Dec 1 2010 :

Science, Technology, POETRY

At this INSAP conference there was Jocelyn Bell who had a good
selection of astronomy related poems that she got some of us to read
out so that was fun, (and I got by chance a particularly long poem on
Herschel...)also remember being in touch with a poet in london William
Radice at SOAS who was working on a poetry effort with
Marcus Du Sautoy. In India, actually some of the poetry of poets like
Keki Daruwala and Jayanta Mahapatra (who also first was a physics
major) do have echoes of these, I will try to mention to them.. anyway
its a fun topic, perhaps one ought to do somethign on this end too
with that!
best

Sharada
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Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Science, Technology, Art, POETRY

For possibly THE book on early digital poetics look at Chris Funkhouser's
Prehistoric Digital Poetry page (and book, available through Amazon).
http://web.njit.edu/~funkhous/prehistoric.html

For the best jumping off point for both breadth and depth in electronic
literature and digital poetics go to Loss Glazier's site at SUNY Buffalo:
http://epc.buffalo.edu/e-poetry/

For what we are doing in Europe go to:
http://www.elmcip.net/

For Southern European perspectives try:
http://www.hermeneia.net/eng/index.html

There are lot's of other resources. There have been a series of really good
books from Germany this year edited by Peter Gendolla and Joergen Schaefer.
Look for them on Amazon.

Best

Simon


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> From: Paul Brown <paul@paul-brown.com>
> Reply-To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@estia.media.uoa.gr>
> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 21:05:22 +0000
> To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@estia.media.uoa.gr>
> Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Science, Technology, Art, POETRY
>
> Roger - a few historical pointers to early computer poetry:
>
> Christopher Strachey's "Loveletters" first run in 1952 on the Ferranti Mark 1
> at Manchester University and now available on David Link's emulator here :
> http://www.alpha60.de/research/muc/
>
> Margaret Masterman and Robin McKinnon-Wood's "Computer Haiku" - shown at
> Cybernetic Serendipity in 1968. Their essay is published in:
> http://staff.cch.kcl.ac.uk/~wmccarty/DHO/readings/foreground/1971/Reichardt,%2
> 0Cybernetics,%20art%20and%20ideas.pdf (this is only Jasia Reichardt's
> introductory essay)
>
> Robin SHirley's "Dune Tune" from 1972:
> http://www.bbk.ac.uk/hosted/cache/archive/PAGE/PAGE25.pdf -- and note at the
> end of that essay Robin thanks the University of Surrey for "authorising an
> annual budget for computer poetry since 1969"!!
>
> I also just found this and it looks interesting but I haven't had time to look
> into it yet: http://writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/Funkhouser-IBM-Poetry.html
>
> Best
> Paul
>
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[Yasmin_discussions] poetry

Introduction 30 Dec 2010
My voice/wind poetry is of long standing interest and whose conceptual
history is referenced below. Since retiring, I have delimited my
exposure via UMDuluth, Minnesota US web pages and
http://www.archive.org/(enter LeifBrush) for sounds, and continue to
benefit from re-blogs and re-broadcasts of same. The archived analog
research (below) has zeroed in on nature soundings using solar powered
triaxial xyz accelerometers, and outputing re-constructed or realtime
terrestrial phenomena from Terrain based Instruments and, specifically,
the WINDRIBBON. A proposed U grant due this month is intended to
re-focus and permit constructs -from a conceptual nano backbone- of the
essential details which would allow my use of smart xyz accelerometers
and hydrophones- with A and D outputs. In additionI'd like to advance
beyond the pretense of simulated multiplexed I/Os where I'm using an
analog modulated laser with B&W video. Also, key conceptual aspects
target segueing with an Internet2 group and anticipate the posting of
resulting outputs to the public domain, emphasizing domestic and
international (Skype) two-way interactivities for handhelds.

ARCHIVES (31 scroll down pages) http://www.d.umn.edu/~lbrush/
MIND VOICE NETWORK POETRY
http://www.google.com/search?q=mind+voice+network%2C+leif+brush&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
http://www.d.umn.edu/~lbrush/laser6.jpg
http://www.d.umn.edu/~lbrush/datapoetry.jpg
WIND VOICE POETRY
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30553577&l=83e3e0f1cf&id=1123850911
CV http://www.d.umn.edu/~lbrush/emeritus.htm
WINDRIBBON
http://www.google.com/search?q=mind+voice+network%2C+leif+brush&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=khn&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&&sa=X&ei=LBr1TPSTCaic4Aaeo8ixDg&sqi=2&ved=0CBIQvgUoAA&q=windribbon,+leif+brush&nfpr=1&fp=8bc48c66f0d3c525
TERRAIN INSTRUMENTS
http://www.google.com/search?q=Terrain+Instruments&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
--

*Leif Brush *

*Professor Emeritus*, *Department of Art + Design*

*University of Minnesota Duluth *

2909 Jefferson Street

Duluth, Minnesota 55812-2324

P: 218.728.2561

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Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Science, Technology, Art, POETRY

Dear Annick, Roger & all,

Do you know, TO (Transitoire observable)

Transitoire Observable is a grouping of numerical artists

The group was created on February 6, 2003 by three numerical poets : Philippe Bootz, Alexandre Gherban and Tibor Papp. It has been joined by several other numerical artists. Each artist of the grouping has already known personal poetics. These artists are focusing on the globality of systems which are using computers and not only on the forms of surface which can be observed on-screen.

This site contains theoretical approaches, works and information about the members of the grouping. It contains only elements which are concerned with the subject of the grouping and no general information about the artists of Transitoire Observable.

Having considered that most of the original objectives have been reached, on a common agreement, Transtoire Observable ceased to exist on december 6th 2007. We leave here, for consultation purposes, the theoritical texts, which constitute the archives of Transitoire Observable.

http://transitoireobs.free.fr/to/
Members :
• Membres
• Eric Sérandour
• Tibor Papp
• Philippe Bootz
• b-l-u-e-s-c-r-e-e-n
• drouillon
• Loss Pequeño Glazier
• Antoine Schmitt
• Alexandre Gherban
• xavier Leton
• Patrick-Henri Burgaud
• Frédéric Drouillon
• Philippe Castellin
• Jean-Pierre Balpe
• Wilton Azevedo

Best,
Xavier

Le 29 nov. 2010 à 22:59, Annick Bureaud a écrit :

> Dear Roger
>
> To the references of (new media) poetry and Leonardo (in LEA and in the Book Series) that you mention in your introductory post, I would like to add "Les Basiques : La littérature numérique" by Philippe Bootz in the Les Basiques Series on Leonardo/Olats :
> http://www.olats.org/livresetudes/basiques/litteraturenumerique/basiquesLN.php
> It is in French, but I am sure that many Yasminers read French.
>
>
> >What is it that
>> makes poetry vital for survival? We live in a dangerous age, do we
>> need a new poetics?
>
> I think that apart from some very short periods and only in very few countries, we (human beings at large) have always lived in a "dangerous age". I also think that art (and not only poetry) is vital for survival.
>
> Annick
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Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Science, Technology, Art, POETRY

Dear Annick.

As I wrote to Brenac (in private),
«... bit of redundancy here would not do any arm, since we tend to see
things separately, like poetry beeing a support for some scientific
and technological aspects only ... But in the end it really doesn't
matter so much, since not only poetry is art, but also most art forms
(if not all them) are poetic.»

Vítor

Citando Annick Bureaud <bureaud@altern.org>:

> Dear Roger
>
> To the references of (new media) poetry and Leonardo (in LEA and in
> the Book Series) that you mention in your introductory post, I would
> like to add "Les Basiques : La littérature numérique" by Philippe
> Bootz in the Les Basiques Series on Leonardo/Olats :
> http://www.olats.org/livresetudes/basiques/litteraturenumerique/basiquesLN.php It is in French, but I am sure that many Yasminers read
> French.
>
>
>> What is it that
>> makes poetry vital for survival? We live in a dangerous age, do we
>> need a new poetics?
>
> I think that apart from some very short periods and only in very few
> countries, we (human beings at large) have always lived in a
> "dangerous age". I also think that art (and not only poetry) is
> vital for survival.
>
> Annick
>
> --
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Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Science, Technology, Art, POETRY

We always need a new poetics as we always live in dangerous age. However,
any poetics that deserves our attention will always be reinventing itself.
It is in the nature of the poetic - it is a generative medium. Poetry
creates people as well as poems. That is to say, when you read a poem (or
view a picture, or whatever) you imagine a state into being, a state of self
that is predicated on an exchange between multiple selves. This is how
people are made. New poetics means new people. It happens everyday...

Best

Simon


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> From: Annick Bureaud <bureaud@altern.org>
> Reply-To: <bureaud@altern.org>, YASMIN DISCUSSIONS
> <yasmin_discussions@estia.media.uoa.gr>
> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 22:59:21 +0100
> To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@estia.media.uoa.gr>
> Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Science, Technology, Art, POETRY
>
> Dear Roger
>
> To the references of (new media) poetry and Leonardo (in LEA
> and in the Book Series) that you mention in your
> introductory post, I would like to add "Les Basiques : La
> littérature numérique" by Philippe Bootz in the Les Basiques
> Series on Leonardo/Olats :
> http://www.olats.org/livresetudes/basiques/litteraturenumerique/basiquesLN.php
>
> It is in French, but I am sure that many Yasminers read French.
>
>
>> What is it that
>> makes poetry vital for survival? We live in a dangerous age, do we
>> need a new poetics?
>
> I think that apart from some very short periods and only in
> very few countries, we (human beings at large) have always
> lived in a "dangerous age". I also think that art (and not
> only poetry) is vital for survival.
>
> Annick
>
> --
>
> ------------------------
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Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Science, Technology, Art, POETRY

Hi Everybody.

My name is Vítor Reia-Baptista and I work at the University of
Algarve, in South Portugal, where we have a research centre on Arts
and Communication - CIAC (Centro de Investigação em Artes e Comunicação)
http://www.ciac.pt/en/index.php

I do not have anu direct answer to Roger questions and I don't know if
they exist in general, but I'm certain that they apply to many of our
human kind situations: we do need poetry, in different shapes and
different states of mind and materia.

So, here are some starting contributes for a discussion maybe also
around the way Teknè makes Poietike possible, through knowledge
(Science) made visible by Art crafts?

Dave Morley, author of the poem «Mathematics of Light»
<http://www.liv.ac.uk/poetryandscience/poems/mathematics-of-light.htm>;
wrote:
«Think of an empty page as open space. It possesses no dimension. Human time
makes no claim. Everything is possible, at this point endlessly possible.
Anything can grow in it. Anybody, real or imaginary, can travel there, stay
put, or move on. There is no constraint, except the honesty of the writer
and the scope of imagination-qualities with which we are born and
characteristics that we can develop. Writers are born and made.»

This contribute may be found in the site of the Centre for Poetry and
Science at the University of Liverpool:
<http://www.liv.ac.uk/poetryandscience/poems/index.htm>;

From another perspective the Poetry Foudation claims that there are (at
least) 1875 Poems about Arts & Sciences, such as the «Equation for my
Children» by Wilmer Mills:
http://atirateaomar.blogspot.com/

Best wishes.
Vítor Reia

Citando roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu>:

> Science, Technology, Art, POETRY
> Opening Statement by YASMIN co moderator Roger Malina
>
> Poetry in the Asylum:
>
> There have been times in my life when I have been a voracious reader,
> and sometime writer, of poetry. Sometimes this state is triggered by
> jet lag. At those times I consume and generate poetry as if my very
> survival depended on it. At other times I am cold to poetry.
>
> My Czech grandparents were both musicians and music teachers and they
> raised my father in a home where music was almost a basic food. He
> used to listen to music as he carried out his scientific research in
> the 30s, and later as he created his kinetic art works in the 1950s;
> his seminal work "Jazz":
> (http://www.olats.org/pionniers/malina/bdd/oeuvre.php?oi=1201)
> is a visual poem linking sound and image. It was during this time that
> he was at personal risk, pursued by the US McCarthy staffers and the
> US FBI. Then suddenly in his 50s, after his political problems were
> over, he became oblivious to music and painted in silence for the rest
> of his life. Is this a coincidence or a connection? What is it that
> makes poetry vital for survival? We live in a dangerous age, do we
> need a new poetics?
>
> In recent decades, much of the art connected to science and new
> technologies has been non contemplative, often loud and insistent,
> un-poetical. But other artists, and poets, as they have explored these
> new terrains have developed new poetic impulses that have created new
> senses of the special and even the sacred. Examples come to mind that
> I would put in the category of poetic arts would include:
>
> Jeffrey Shaw's "Legible City : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61l7Y4MS4aU
> Char Davies "Ephemere": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa_aiw7yhpI
> David Rokeby's "Very Nervous System" :
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrawKucSSRw
> Mark Hansen and Ben Rubin's Listening post:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dD36IajCz6A
>
> The invited respondents in this discussion have a variety of
> approaches to poetry that connects to the sciences and technology of
> our age.
>
> When historian Robert Ilbert asked Samuel Bordreuil and I to set up
> the Art-Science wing of IMERA:
> http://www.imera.fr/index.php/en/organisation/101.html
> he named it : ASIL, or the French word for Asylum, with the acronym
> Arts-Sciences-Instrumentations-Language . Indeed the connections
> between the arts, sciences and technology must also be mediated by
> languages both image and word, and in particular by art forms that use
> language as their raw material. We have recently issued a new call for
> residency proposals :
> http://www.imera.fr/index.php/en/becoming-a-fellow/applications.html
> and we welcome proposals from poets that need to collaborate with
> scientists or research engineers to achieve their artistic vision. We
> need poetry in the Asylum.
>
> Ten years ago poet Tim Peterson, a participant in this discussion,
> led a Leonardo Electronic Almanac project around the new poetics :
> New Media Poetry and Poetics
>> From Concrete to Codework: Praxis in Networked and Programmable Media
> http://www.leoalmanac.org/journal/vol_14/lea_v14_n05-06/tpeterson.html
> and more recently in the Leonardo Book Series at MIT Press we published
> New Media Poetics: edited by Adalaide Morris and Thomas Swiss
> http://leonardo.info/isast/leobooks/books/swissmorris.html
> which documents some of the current work in new media poetics.
>
> In this YASMIN discussion we seek to discuss all the many ways that
> poetry connects to the new sciences and the new technologies that
> underpin so many of the new ways that we are becoming human.
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Monday, November 29, 2010

Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Science, Technology, Art, POETRY

Dear Roger

To the references of (new media) poetry and Leonardo (in LEA
and in the Book Series) that you mention in your
introductory post, I would like to add "Les Basiques : La
littérature numérique" by Philippe Bootz in the Les Basiques
Series on Leonardo/Olats :
http://www.olats.org/livresetudes/basiques/litteraturenumerique/basiquesLN.php

It is in French, but I am sure that many Yasminers read French.


>What is it that
> makes poetry vital for survival? We live in a dangerous age, do we
> need a new poetics?

I think that apart from some very short periods and only in
very few countries, we (human beings at large) have always
lived in a "dangerous age". I also think that art (and not
only poetry) is vital for survival.

Annick

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Roger - a few historical pointers to early computer poetry:

Christopher Strachey's "Loveletters" first run in 1952 on the Ferranti Mark 1 at Manchester University and now available on David Link's emulator here : http://www.alpha60.de/research/muc/

Margaret Masterman and Robin McKinnon-Wood's "Computer Haiku" - shown at Cybernetic Serendipity in 1968. Their essay is published in: http://staff.cch.kcl.ac.uk/~wmccarty/DHO/readings/foreground/1971/Reichardt,%20Cybernetics,%20art%20and%20ideas.pdf (this is only Jasia Reichardt's introductory essay)

Robin SHirley's "Dune Tune" from 1972: http://www.bbk.ac.uk/hosted/cache/archive/PAGE/PAGE25.pdf -- and note at the end of that essay Robin thanks the University of Surrey for "authorising an annual budget for computer poetry since 1969"!!

I also just found this and it looks interesting but I haven't had time to look into it yet: http://writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/Funkhouser-IBM-Poetry.html

Best
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[Yasmin_discussions] Science, Technology, Art, POETRY

Paragraphs to Stimulate Discussion of Poetry and Science
from Jared Smith
November 21, 2010

I think that we can all start out with the assumption that anybody who
is reading Leonardo on a regular
basis or is participating in this YASMIN discussion already
understands at least intuitively that both the arts
and the sciences are related to pattern-thinking, as well as to a
striving to recognize within each newly
perceived or hard won pattern something which is larger or more
magnificent than anything which we have
ever perceived before. Each of us, whether scientist or artist,
rushes along one corridor or another of linear
thought which will propel us to a desired level of sensitivity to the
world about us or to a level of desired
control over that which we can control, and then suddenly those who
are luckiest among us find our linear
paths exploded by other linear paths that come from congruent angles
or by parallel awarenesses stemming
from perhaps sub-quantum foci that suddenly explode our past arguments
or awareness and carry us toward
even greater appreciations of what surrounds us and what we are
composed of. Wonderful discussions of
the parallels between creative thought in the arts and creative
thought in the sciences can be found in such
books as Arthur Kostler's Act of Creation, or in the proceedings of
Myron Color's Creative Science Seminar
series, or of course in the archives of any issue of Leonardo.

What determines the degree of value we place upon an insight or a
thought process that allows us to determine
whether it is art or science, then? That is harder to define.
Oppenheimer wrote and translated French
Romantic poetry: was that separate from his work with nuclear physics?
Coleridge and Shelley and Lord
Byron were Romantic poets, yet they shared in-depth intellectual
discussions with the leading scientists
of their day and published at times in the same small-circulation
journals bending their intellects on both
sides, artistic and scientific through both linear and nonlinear
junctions to such matters as what defines the
spark of life that animates men and is that spark if recreated by
scientific or technological means then the
same as life itself. (I refer you to Richard Holmes remarkable book
The Age of Wonder.) Were these the
same questions that reverberated through the marble sculptures and the
earthen tones of paint that Michelangelo
wove his visions around, and with which he illustrated a vision of
touch and singularity that arises from a man's
extended finger and the hand of that which is greater than he? Do any
of these things that we think of in our
deeper moments, that we quest for, have any discernible value to
define them as arts or sciences separate from
each other when measured in the scope of our existence—or do we
merely severely limit ourselves by defining
them as first one and then another? If T.S. Eliot was right in his
determination and definition of an "objective
correlative" in art or in poetry as being a series of images which
when read by any careful reader (any scientist
who is trained in the art?) will produce within that reader only one
vision or understanding which is the same in
each person who reads it thusly, cannot one say that the words of a
poet must be wielded with as much care
and knowledge and skill as the mathematics of quantum physics scrawled
out in hard earned bursts of joy on
university blackboards. Are not the visions brought by the words of
one poet to a select and educated few as
dramatic in their meaning and intent, and as decisive in their
creation, as that of a director at CERN to a
similarly well educated and small, select group? Can those two
groups overlap, and is there value in that?

Well, yes, perhaps, you might say so, if we could only know which poet
or which artist were wielding the right vision
and sharpening with the right tools or words. But how could we know?
Who could verify? This is important
because as we all know in science and with regard to technology, when
we mix ingredients or procedures together
while controlling all variables, we will always get the same action
and reaction, the same objective correlative.
And that action and reaction may have value, or they may not. And if
they do have value, it may take many
decades or even hundreds of years to determine what that value is and
whether it lies within the intellectual or
material realm. We have a great many institutions of learning which
turn out a great many men and women
of considerable intellect who are trained to study each scientific
theorem as it evolves and to place it within
other theorems for greater substance and meaning. At times, this
study and evolving is a time-curdling
process where the mind grows infinitely older and achieves little; but
at times, it can take flight in new and
unexpected colonies of bacilli blossoming into definable space on a
petri dish, taking shape as a poem
from the small things we know about the expanding world around us.
Call it art. Call it nonlinear spontaneity.
And when it sings in the back rooms of our minds, when it speaks in a
language that reverberates not only
with our higher brain functions but also within the reptile brain we
have so little understanding of, when it
creates a song that we know is worth listening to in the quietness of
our non-salaried time, and makes us
feel alive as individuals in ways we cannot explain with out
mathematical formulas or our surface linguistics,
let's call it poetry with the honor it so deserves. Poetry at its
best is the only art that combines linear thought
with musical rhythms and meter to produce an exacting language that
transcends the speech of our time.

--Jared Smith, 11/21/10

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[Yasmin_discussions] Science, Technology, Art, POETRY

Science, Technology, Art, POETRY
Opening Statement by YASMIN co moderator Roger Malina

Poetry in the Asylum:

There have been times in my life when I have been a voracious reader,
and sometime writer, of poetry. Sometimes this state is triggered by
jet lag. At those times I consume and generate poetry as if my very
survival depended on it. At other times I am cold to poetry.

My Czech grandparents were both musicians and music teachers and they
raised my father in a home where music was almost a basic food. He
used to listen to music as he carried out his scientific research in
the 30s, and later as he created his kinetic art works in the 1950s;
his seminal work "Jazz":
(http://www.olats.org/pionniers/malina/bdd/oeuvre.php?oi=1201)
is a visual poem linking sound and image. It was during this time that
he was at personal risk, pursued by the US McCarthy staffers and the
US FBI. Then suddenly in his 50s, after his political problems were
over, he became oblivious to music and painted in silence for the rest
of his life. Is this a coincidence or a connection? What is it that
makes poetry vital for survival? We live in a dangerous age, do we
need a new poetics?

In recent decades, much of the art connected to science and new
technologies has been non contemplative, often loud and insistent,
un-poetical. But other artists, and poets, as they have explored these
new terrains have developed new poetic impulses that have created new
senses of the special and even the sacred. Examples come to mind that
I would put in the category of poetic arts would include:

Jeffrey Shaw's "Legible City : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61l7Y4MS4aU
Char Davies "Ephemere": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa_aiw7yhpI
David Rokeby's "Very Nervous System" :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrawKucSSRw
Mark Hansen and Ben Rubin's Listening post:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dD36IajCz6A

The invited respondents in this discussion have a variety of
approaches to poetry that connects to the sciences and technology of
our age.

When historian Robert Ilbert asked Samuel Bordreuil and I to set up
the Art-Science wing of IMERA:
http://www.imera.fr/index.php/en/organisation/101.html
he named it : ASIL, or the French word for Asylum, with the acronym
Arts-Sciences-Instrumentations-Language . Indeed the connections
between the arts, sciences and technology must also be mediated by
languages both image and word, and in particular by art forms that use
language as their raw material. We have recently issued a new call for
residency proposals :
http://www.imera.fr/index.php/en/becoming-a-fellow/applications.html
and we welcome proposals from poets that need to collaborate with
scientists or research engineers to achieve their artistic vision. We
need poetry in the Asylum.

Ten years ago poet Tim Peterson, a participant in this discussion,
led a Leonardo Electronic Almanac project around the new poetics :
New Media Poetry and Poetics
>From Concrete to Codework: Praxis in Networked and Programmable Media
http://www.leoalmanac.org/journal/vol_14/lea_v14_n05-06/tpeterson.html
and more recently in the Leonardo Book Series at MIT Press we published
New Media Poetics: edited by Adalaide Morris and Thomas Swiss
http://leonardo.info/isast/leobooks/books/swissmorris.html
which documents some of the current work in new media poetics.

In this YASMIN discussion we seek to discuss all the many ways that
poetry connects to the new sciences and the new technologies that
underpin so many of the new ways that we are becoming human.

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Dear YASMINERS

I am your yasmin moderator this week, from rainy Marseille.

Greetings to those of you who were at the meeting in Casablanca
last weekend. It was great to meet Yasminers from Syria, Tunisia,
Lebanon, Morocco, Egypt, Senegal and to hear of all the new excitement in the
east and south banks of the Mediterranean !

We will be shortly starting our Science, Technology, Arts, POETRY
discussion on the YASMIN discussion list.

Note ; We accept posts on YASMIN in all the languages that the
moderators speak= if you send a post in another language than
english= please include a few sentences in english !! We get
a lot of spam posted to YASMIN, and its hard for some of us
who are language handicapped to screen spam out if there
arent a few sentences in english.

We have had some complaints that there are too many posts
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receiving on other lists also. After a discussion among the moderators
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Sunday, November 28, 2010

Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Science, Technology, POETRY

as an act of poetry maybe (my last paper):

"Emma Bovary et la thermodynamique"

http://flaubert.univ-rouen.fr/article.php?id=8

<http://flaubert.univ-rouen.fr/article.php?id=8>bien à vous

Zaven Paré

2010/11/27 roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu>

> new YASMIN discussion beginning Dec 1 2010 :
>
> Science, Technology, POETRY
>
> TOPIC:
>
> In this YASMIN (http://www.media.uoa.gr/yasmin/) discussion we wish
> to discuss the varieties of poetry today that connect to science, the arts
> and technology.
>
> There are examples of poets who have also been scientists or
> engineers; poetry that uses new
> technologies to find new forms for expression; poetry that uses
> mediated senses to explore and
> ground the feel and taste of data (the erotics of data?); poetry that
> grapples with how science and
> new technologies changes what it means to be human today and how we
> live together. We welcome
> submissions of poetry and links to poetry sites.
>
> This YASMIN discussion will be seeded by the following invited
> respondents, but of course all
> YASMINERS are invited to join in the discussion:
>
> Roger Malina : http://malina.diatrope.com
> An astronomer and editor. He is currently Director of the Observatoire
> Astronomique de Marseille
> Provence, Executive Editor of the Leonardo Publications at MIT Press,
> and co chair of the Art Science
> Program at the IMERA Mediterranean Institute for Advanced Studies. He
> writes poetry secretly.
>
> Vítor Reia-Baptista
> Professor and Director of the Department of Communication, Arts and
> Design of the School of
> Education and Communication at the University of Algarve, Portugal:
> <http://w3.ualg.pt/~vreia>
> Coordinator of the Research Group in Film, Communication and Visual
> Arts at the CIAC -
> Centro de Investigação em Artes e Comunicação:
> <http://www.ciac.pt/en/index.php>
> Author of the Blog on Arts, Science, Technology, Poetry and Culture:
> <http://www.atirateaomar.blogspot.com>
> And an active member of the Poetry-Jazz Group «Flajazzados» blending
> different styles
> of Jazz «Free, Be-Bop and Funky» with the tradition of the «Spoken
> Word» movements:
> <http://www.myspace.com/flajazzados>
>
> Nicolás Hernández Guillén
>
> Jared Smith
> http://www.jaredsmith.info
> http://secrettechnology.com/
>
> Jared Smith is the author of nine volumes of poetry, and the editor of
> several volumes in the applied
> sciences dealing with biotechnology, microelectronics, systems
> engineering, and energy measurement.
> He has served as an adviser on policy and technology to several White
> House Commissions under President
> Clinton; Team Leader for a national SCADA security encryption project
> funded by Department of Defense;
> Special Advisor to Argonne National Laboratory; and as a director of
> Research and Education at Institute of
> Gas Technology.
>
> Jason Nelson
> http://www.heliozoa.com
> Digital poet/artist, academic in Australia, founder of Netpoetic.com,
> with over forty digital artworks which have won
> numerous awards, and been exhibited and written about around the
> world. Recently re-built a digital poetry portal
> with the hope of spreading these kinds of works:
> http://www.heliozoa.com , currently centers of interfaces and they
> relate to the construction and creation of digital poems
>
> Tim Peterson
>
> Bronac Ferran:
> http://www.boundaryobject.org/index.html
> Bronac Ferran is a researcher in areas of art, science, technology,
> law, media and cultural production. Bronac
> was Director of Interdisciplinary Arts at Arts Council England .She
> has organised many events and generated
> numerous influential initiatives including the CODE conference.
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[Yasmin_discussions] Science, Technology, POETRY

new YASMIN discussion beginning Dec 1 2010 :

Science, Technology, POETRY

TOPIC:

In this YASMIN (http://www.media.uoa.gr/yasmin/) discussion we wish
to discuss the varieties of poetry today that connect to science, the arts
and technology.

There are examples of poets who have also been scientists or
engineers; poetry that uses new
technologies to find new forms for expression; poetry that uses
mediated senses to explore and
ground the feel and taste of data (the erotics of data?); poetry that
grapples with how science and
new technologies changes what it means to be human today and how we
live together. We welcome
submissions of poetry and links to poetry sites.

This YASMIN discussion will be seeded by the following invited
respondents, but of course all
YASMINERS are invited to join in the discussion:

Roger Malina : http://malina.diatrope.com
An astronomer and editor. He is currently Director of the Observatoire
Astronomique de Marseille
Provence, Executive Editor of the Leonardo Publications at MIT Press,
and co chair of the Art Science
Program at the IMERA Mediterranean Institute for Advanced Studies. He
writes poetry secretly.

Vítor Reia-Baptista
Professor and Director of the Department of Communication, Arts and
Design of the School of
Education and Communication at the University of Algarve, Portugal:
<http://w3.ualg.pt/~vreia>
Coordinator of the Research Group in Film, Communication and Visual
Arts at the CIAC -
Centro de Investigação em Artes e Comunicação:
<http://www.ciac.pt/en/index.php>
Author of the Blog on Arts, Science, Technology, Poetry and Culture:
<http://www.atirateaomar.blogspot.com>
And an active member of the Poetry-Jazz Group «Flajazzados» blending
different styles
of Jazz «Free, Be-Bop and Funky» with the tradition of the «Spoken
Word» movements:
<http://www.myspace.com/flajazzados>

Nicolás Hernández Guillén

Jared Smith
http://www.jaredsmith.info
http://secrettechnology.com/

Jared Smith is the author of nine volumes of poetry, and the editor of
several volumes in the applied
sciences dealing with biotechnology, microelectronics, systems
engineering, and energy measurement.
He has served as an adviser on policy and technology to several White
House Commissions under President
Clinton; Team Leader for a national SCADA security encryption project
funded by Department of Defense;
Special Advisor to Argonne National Laboratory; and as a director of
Research and Education at Institute of
Gas Technology.

Jason Nelson
http://www.heliozoa.com
Digital poet/artist, academic in Australia, founder of Netpoetic.com,
with over forty digital artworks which have won
numerous awards, and been exhibited and written about around the
world. Recently re-built a digital poetry portal
with the hope of spreading these kinds of works:
http://www.heliozoa.com , currently centers of interfaces and they
relate to the construction and creation of digital poems

Tim Peterson

Bronac Ferran:
http://www.boundaryobject.org/index.html
Bronac Ferran is a researcher in areas of art, science, technology,
law, media and cultural production. Bronac
was Director of Interdisciplinary Arts at Arts Council England .She
has organised many events and generated
numerous influential initiatives including the CODE conference.

If you are not already on the YASMIN discussion you need to subscribe at:
http://www.media.uoa.gr/yasmin/

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YASMIN announcements.
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Monday, November 1, 2010

Re: [Yasmin_discussions] your moderator for this week

Hello YASMIN,

My name is Andrew Davenport Brouse.
We have been in the Méditerranéen Région.
I research our: Art ∴ Religion ∴ Science

Andrew

On Mon, 1 Nov 2010 16:03:41 +0000, soussi houssine <soussi_h@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Dear Yasminers, I am Houssine SOUSSI from Paris and I am your moderator
> for this week.
> Just a reminder to new members of yasmin, it would
> be great if you could send a brief post to the list
> introducing yourself and your interests relevant to art
> and science in the mediterranean region.

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[Yasmin_discussions] your moderator for this week

Dear Yasminers, I am Houssine SOUSSI from Paris and I am your moderator for this week.
Just a reminder to new members of yasmin, it would
be great if you could send a brief post to the list
introducing yourself and your interests relevant to art
and science in the mediterranean region.
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