Re: [Yasmin_discussions] networking 5.0

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>________________________________
> From: Leif Brush <lbrush@d.umn.edu>
>To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@estia.media.uoa.gr>
>Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 3:16 PM
>Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] networking 5.0
>
>Hello Jack
>
>I'm sending you a final failed grant summary for an collective interactive
>world playing attempt,,,Titled: xyz(utc-synced) supraterrestrial project
>assisted by two university undergrads, sofia v bustorff and Guy De Bievre's
>workshops ...-PDF-
>http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&ved=0CDUQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhi-ka-sk.be%2Ffiles%2Faudioworkshop.pdf&ei=1wTQTt63Eu2OsAKPhIS_Dg&usg=AFQjCNF21_y1x6w1EIZTgPJRBziD0mIV8w
>http://sproutland.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/guy-de-bic3a8vre-leif-brush_-terrain-instruments-partly-recorded1.mp3
>
>the world Playing attempt summary...
>
>>From each of four Terrain Instruments within a context: Tree, Windinch
>w/flow meter sensor monitorings, Box Kite strung w/.32ga stainless steel
>&w/xyz sensor, and Helium filled Balloon w/suspended spy camera hovering
>thge tree)... there will be four lines of information collected. All of the
>data that is not the universal time code information, we can use some kind
>of pick-up. The sensors will be hooked up to an Audrino... because this
>platform is the standard and there is a large community for this
>product...which could interconnect with mesh nets... after the Ardrino
>we'll use the xBee to transmit the data to a computer that is running an
>Audrino program...after the data is gathered and put into four different
>audio files, one for each Terrain Instrument...the four data files are run
>through our audio editing software, compressed all into one final file that
>can be uploaded to Sound Cloud or be made available globally, two-way
>connectable nets...on call fr/SC or x net in realtime. a/or when, from
>where & what you want to hear on call...month by month..via compatible
>networkings...of XYZ/sensors UTC-syncd wifi global sounds from global's
>latitudes and longitudes- on your handheld or monitor via a starter
>workshop...further, when these signals are received in a home environment
>fo the possible feed forwarding or feeding back into the net,..in house
>privacy would ask those currently using the WIFI-radiators to have a go
>w/the lightbulb of Dr. Harald Haas, inventor of li-fi...this is an 'outer
>year' summary of my ongoing sound/imaging quests...ideally the 2-way
>traffics would eventually employ muxed and demux modulated lasers., re
>ARTSCIENCE ART SCIENCE ARTSCIENCE,.. I admit to being originally highly
>encouraged in the 1980s by the introduction of a "Public Understanding of
>Science from NSF mailing when I was at U of Minnesota Duluth ('72-'02) Leif
>
>On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 3:46 PM, roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>
>> Jack
>>
>> yes both networked infrastructures and networked organisations are
>> relevant here=
>> since they often overlap
>>
>> do you know about the Marcel network ?
>>
>> http://www.mmmarcel.org/
>>
>> they do a lot of infrastructure networking
>>
>> one of the topics at the us national science foundation workwshop was that
>> there
>> is a proliferation of infrastructure network projects - but that are
>> not cross linked
>> and duplicate effort
>>
>> roger
>>
>> Hello Roger and all,
>>
>> Is there development of high-speed optical networking so that people
>> are able to meet with their data sets across oceans? Or are we
>> speaking here of other kinds of networking. I have read through
>> Roger's ongoing reports on the series of NSF Art Science workshops and
>> have not seen any talk about this subject. Are the storage archives
>> for large data sets in a cloud that is available to multiple entities?
>>
>> I am convinced that our networking needs to include actual optical
>> connections to one another- but it is extremely difficult to get that
>> up and running. The problems for me have been funding and getting
>> people on board who have never really seen or experienced what is
>> possible. Our CIO is now supporting small steps so that other faculty
>> will be able to see with their own ideas. For Instance, UNM just did a
>> series of Ursonate performances over the National LambdaRail between
>> Supercomputing11 in Seattle and the Center for Advanced Research
>> Computing. We were rehearsing and working out potential problems
>> before a Spring Fluxus Concert between Swinburne U. of Technology,
>> Melbourne, and UNM. These are baby steps designed to show people
>> potential.
>>
>> It is great to network- but we need to be able to do this without so
>> much physical travel. How do we make high-speed optical networking
>> available for a larger group of people in different communities?
>>
>> Can anyone comment on this- with your own experiences?
>>
>>
>> Jack Ox
>> Roger Malina is  Director of the Observatoire Astronomique de
>> Marseille Provence and Executive Editor of the Leonardo Publications
>> at MIT Press
>> and member of the steering committee of IMERA the Mediterranean
>> Institute for Advanced Studies.Postal Address: OAMP, 38 Rue Joliot
>> Curie, Marseille 13388, France
>>
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Re: [Yasmin_discussions] YASMIN discussion : Networking 5.0: Networks of Networks in Art-Science-Technology

Hi Richard,

Thanks so much for your response! I still cannot find on the Marcel site where they are using/occupying the high-speed optical networks like NLR and Internet2. Any help to find would be much appreciated. I did notice that Owen Smith is the manager- a good sign-- but no optical info.

Jack
On Nov 24, 2011, at 6:49 AM, rbrown wrote:

> Do you know of the marcel network headed up by Don Forresta?
>
> http://www.mmmarcel.org/node/162
>
> The MARCEL Network, Past & Present
> MARCEL is a permanent very high band-width network dedicated to artistic, educational and cultural experimentation, exchange between art and science and collaboration between art and industry.
>
> It is also a portal site for the network listing information in art, science and industry for its members, but open to the public. MARCEL was designed as a tool to help people move into the high bandwidth network space with art, science and education and to claim a part of the network space for culture.
>
> During a meeting in Souillac, France in July 1997 a group of international experts from art and industry agreed on the importance of fundamental artistic research, rather than merely applied arts, in the development of telecommunication networks. The need for collaboration between artists, artistic establishments and the public and private sectors in building a permanent high band-width network for artistic experimentation was the central point of the first conference.
> ...
>
> Regards,
> Richard
>
> On 22/11/2011 22:20, roger malina wrote:
>> Networking 5.0: Networks of Networks in Art-Science-Technology
>>
>> Yasminers- I would like to stimulate a discussion over the coming days
>> on the YASMIN DISCUSSION LIST:
>>
>> http://estia.media.uoa.gr/mailman/listinfo/yasmin_discussions
>>
>> <a href="http://estia.media.uoa.gr/mailman/listinfo/yasmin_discussions"
>> title="yasmin discussion list"></a>
>>
>> about the new intense wave of developments of networks in our
>> art-science-technology
>> Community.
>>
>> I have just returned from the US National Science Foundation workshop \
>> At the Maryland Institute College of Art on the Network for Science,
>> Engineering, Art and Design (NSEAD) hosted by Gunalan. Nadarajan,
>> a good friend of Emerging the Art-Science-Technology field.
>>
>> ( http://malina.diatrope.com/2011/11/12/nsf-art-science-workshop-at-maryland-institute-college-of-art-nov-14-and-15-2011/
>> )
>> <a href="( http://malina.diatrope.com/2011/11/12/nsf-art-science-workshop-at-maryland-institute-college-of-art-nov-14-and-15-2011/
>> ) " title="MICA NSF workshop for NSEAD"></a>
>>
>> The last time I worked with Gunalan was at the REFRESH conference at
>> Banff in Canada when with Oliver Grau, Sara Diamond, Annick Bureaud,
>> Susan Kennard and an international committee we organized the first
>> International Conference on Histories of the Media Arts, Sciences
>> and Technology in 2005 :
>>
>> (http://www.banffcentre.ca/bnmi/programs/archives/2005/refresh/lisiten.asp ),
>> <a href="(http://www.banffcentre.ca/bnmi/programs/archives/2005/refresh/lisiten.asp
>> )," title="refresh"></a>
>>
>> The network that was initiated at that conference has continued to self mobilize
>> With the latest conference being held in Liverpool
>> (http://www.rewireconference2011.org/about/)
>>
>> One of the outcomes from this conference at FACT was a manifesto
>> organized by Oliver
>> Grau, Sean Cubitt and Ross Harley which has now been signed by over
>> 100 members of our community:
>>
>> http://www.mediaarthistory.org
>> <a href="http://www.mediaarthistory.org " title="manifesto"></a>
>>
>> which has as its goals :
>>
>> Goals
>> a.) Establish international and sustainable funding structures
>> Therefore it is essential to establish international and sustainable
>> funding structures that can guarantee the persistence of
>> these valuable resources, and to make use of networked collaboration
>> to archive key data in a cooperative process of knowledge
>> transfer between artists, institutions and researchers internationally. ..
>>
>> b.) Supporting an International Association/Institution for Shared Data
>> We urgently need global networked collaboration in Media Art research
>> across the aforementioned networks.
>> We need as many bridges into society as possible: archives,
>> conferences, text repositories, collective database
>> documentation, and preservation
>>
>> You can sign the manifesto at : http://www.mediaarthistory.org/
>> <a href="http://www.mediaarthistory.org/" title="manifesto"></a>
>>
>> This week at the MICA workshop the group (following the work of several other
>> Workshops between the US National Science Foundation and the US National
>> Endowment for the Arts ) concluded that a new Network for Science- Engineering-
>> Art- Design was needed as an advocacy organization for the emerging fields of
>> Science/Engineering- Art/Design Practice.
>>
>> The week before I participated in a conference at IKAS-ARTS in Bilabo on the
>> Invitation of Natxo Rodriguez:
>>
>> (http://www.ikas-art.com/ )
>> <a href="http://www.ikas-art.com/" title="ikas"></a>
>>
>> It is a network of 11 art and design schools in Spain, France and
>> internationally
>>
>> IKAS-ART IS AN ART ENCOUNTER FOR UNIVERSITIES. FINE ARTS FACULTIES
>> FROM ALL OVER THE
>> WORLD SHOW THEIR STUDENTS' WORK.
>>
>> There was discussion there of how this network could bid for funding
>> as a European
>> Creative Regions.
>>
>> An initiative Regional Studies Association Research Network on
>> Creative Regions in Europe is another
>> network that includes members of our community:
>>
>> <a href="http://www.creative-regions.eu/" title="creative
>> regions">http://www.creative-regions.eu/</a>
>>
>> We seem to have emerged in a new wave of institution building in art-science-
>> Technology and 'networks' is where the action (and the funding is) !!
>>
>> There have been a number of 'waves' that historians such as Eddie Shanken
>> have described of the kinds of institutions that have been build to
>> bridge our creative communities
>> ( Bauhaus, EAT/CAVS.., Media Lab/Ars/V2…. ISEA was founded in 1990,
>> YASMIN was created in 2000 HASTAC,…….).
>>
>> I guess my question is: are we entering an era of new ways that we
>> organize ourselves ?
>> Are we now in the era of 'networks of networks"? Operating networks
>> takes larges amount of time and resources.
>> How does a sustainable 'network of networks" organize itself (do we
>> follow the power Law of many scale free networks
>> as described by complex network science, ( with amazon and google
>> dominating the rest ? ) See Barabasi Scale-Free Networks: A Decade
>> and Beyond. :
>>
>> http://www.sciencemag.org/content/325/5939/412.full
>> <a href="http://www.sciencemag.org/content/325/5939/412.full "
>> title="complex"></a>
>>
>> Or are we creating a dense network with a different structure that
>> doesn't follow a
>> Power law see Matthias Scholz ?
>>
>> http://www.network-science.org/similaritymodel.html
>> <a href="http://www.network-science.org/similaritymodel.html"
>> title="non scale free"></a>
>>
>> Or does the long tail have the real impact ?
>>
>> On the YASMIN list we have many people who have set up and participated in
>> Networks in art/science/technology . It would be great to have some
>> discussion of the new systems we are
>> Building and how we design them to really do what we want.
>>
>> See you on YASMIN
>>
>> http://estia.media.uoa.gr/mailman/listinfo/yasmin_discussions
>>
>> Roger Malina
>> Yasmin Co Moderator
>>
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Re: [Yasmin_discussions] networking 5.0

Hello Jack

I'm sending you a final failed grant summary for an collective interactive
world playing attempt,,,Titled: xyz(utc-synced) supraterrestrial project
assisted by two university undergrads, sofia v bustorff and Guy De Bievre's
workshops ...-PDF-
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&ved=0CDUQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhi-ka-sk.be%2Ffiles%2Faudioworkshop.pdf&ei=1wTQTt63Eu2OsAKPhIS_Dg&usg=AFQjCNF21_y1x6w1EIZTgPJRBziD0mIV8w
http://sproutland.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/guy-de-bic3a8vre-leif-brush_-terrain-instruments-partly-recorded1.mp3

the world Playing attempt summary...

>From each of four Terrain Instruments within a context: Tree, Windinch
w/flow meter sensor monitorings, Box Kite strung w/.32ga stainless steel
&w/xyz sensor, and Helium filled Balloon w/suspended spy camera hovering
thge tree)... there will be four lines of information collected. All of the
data that is not the universal time code information, we can use some kind
of pick-up. The sensors will be hooked up to an Audrino... because this
platform is the standard and there is a large community for this
product...which could interconnect with mesh nets... after the Ardrino
we'll use the xBee to transmit the data to a computer that is running an
Audrino program...after the data is gathered and put into four different
audio files, one for each Terrain Instrument...the four data files are run
through our audio editing software, compressed all into one final file that
can be uploaded to Sound Cloud or be made available globally, two-way
connectable nets...on call fr/SC or x net in realtime. a/or when, from
where & what you want to hear on call...month by month..via compatible
networkings...of XYZ/sensors UTC-syncd wifi global sounds from global's
latitudes and longitudes- on your handheld or monitor via a starter
workshop...further, when these signals are received in a home environment
fo the possible feed forwarding or feeding back into the net,..in house
privacy would ask those currently using the WIFI-radiators to have a go
w/the lightbulb of Dr. Harald Haas, inventor of li-fi...this is an 'outer
year' summary of my ongoing sound/imaging quests...ideally the 2-way
traffics would eventually employ muxed and demux modulated lasers., re
ARTSCIENCE ART SCIENCE ARTSCIENCE,.. I admit to being originally highly
encouraged in the 1980s by the introduction of a "Public Understanding of
Science from NSF mailing when I was at U of Minnesota Duluth ('72-'02) Leif

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 3:46 PM, roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> Jack
>
> yes both networked infrastructures and networked organisations are
> relevant here=
> since they often overlap
>
> do you know about the Marcel network ?
>
> http://www.mmmarcel.org/
>
> they do a lot of infrastructure networking
>
> one of the topics at the us national science foundation workwshop was that
> there
> is a proliferation of infrastructure network projects - but that are
> not cross linked
> and duplicate effort
>
> roger
>
> Hello Roger and all,
>
> Is there development of high-speed optical networking so that people
> are able to meet with their data sets across oceans? Or are we
> speaking here of other kinds of networking. I have read through
> Roger's ongoing reports on the series of NSF Art Science workshops and
> have not seen any talk about this subject. Are the storage archives
> for large data sets in a cloud that is available to multiple entities?
>
> I am convinced that our networking needs to include actual optical
> connections to one another- but it is extremely difficult to get that
> up and running. The problems for me have been funding and getting
> people on board who have never really seen or experienced what is
> possible. Our CIO is now supporting small steps so that other faculty
> will be able to see with their own ideas. For Instance, UNM just did a
> series of Ursonate performances over the National LambdaRail between
> Supercomputing11 in Seattle and the Center for Advanced Research
> Computing. We were rehearsing and working out potential problems
> before a Spring Fluxus Concert between Swinburne U. of Technology,
> Melbourne, and UNM. These are baby steps designed to show people
> potential.
>
> It is great to network- but we need to be able to do this without so
> much physical travel. How do we make high-speed optical networking
> available for a larger group of people in different communities?
>
> Can anyone comment on this- with your own experiences?
>
>
> Jack Ox
> Roger Malina is Director of the Observatoire Astronomique de
> Marseille Provence and Executive Editor of the Leonardo Publications
> at MIT Press
> and member of the steering committee of IMERA the Mediterranean
> Institute for Advanced Studies.Postal Address: OAMP, 38 Rue Joliot
> Curie, Marseille 13388, France
>
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Re: [Yasmin_discussions] networking 5.0

Around the end of the Twentieth Century, I was involved in a project that did exactly what you are talking about:
http://www.cim.mcgill.ca/sre/projects/aes/
At the end of the day, the artistic results are not so interesting.
All told, it is more interesting to work with networks 'tel quel'.

Andrew

On 2011-11-24, at 3:24 PM, jack Ox wrote:

> Hi Roger,
>
> I knew about Marcel-- and have just looked at their site- thanks-- However, it seems that MARCEL is AccessGrid- a multi-window software platform-- not an optical network that allows potentially jitterless communication. Jitter, for all who might ask, is an irregular delay-- Musicians regularly deal with a delay; that is why there are conductors. And here is an interesting bit of trivia: The delay between the right side of a large orchestral stage and the left side is the same as between Amsterdam and Tokyo over high-speed optical networks on the highest wave-rate level (the speed of light). (info from Cees Delaat at the U of Amsterdam)
>
> We need to work to get this kind of high-speed optical networking to be available and not so dang hard! For more information you can go to http://www.glif.is/ and http://www.internet2.edu/
>
> While at SC11 at the UNM booth, we had an interesting visit from representatives of Internet2. There has been an ongoing political battle between National LambdaRail and Internet2. What I heard at SC11 is that a billionaire pharmaceutic investor has either 'bought' or 'invested in NLR-- This was supposed to be a research network that is owned and managed by industry and research institutions. The U. of Texas is certainly a big player here- as is the U. of California. The Internet2 people told me they are the arts networking people. I believe that both optical networking entities are now at the same technical level.
>
> As artists, artist-scientists, and researchers we need to harness and make available these resources.
>
> Jack
>
>
> Jack Ox
> www.jackox.net
>
> Associate Research Professor, Department of Music , College of Fine Arts, UNM
> Associated Faculty Member with the Center for Advanced Research Computing at UNM
> Research Associate, The ARTS Lab, UNM
>
> 2710 Hyder Ave SE
> Albuquerque, NM
> 87106
>
> landline- 505-217-2167
> cell 646-773-3324
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 23, 2011, at 2:46 PM, roger malina wrote:
>
>> Jack
>>
>> yes both networked infrastructures and networked organisations are
>> relevant here=
>> since they often overlap
>>
>> do you know about the Marcel network ?
>>
>> http://www.mmmarcel.org/
>>
>> they do a lot of infrastructure networking
>>
>> one of the topics at the us national science foundation workwshop was that there
>> is a proliferation of infrastructure network projects - but that are
>> not cross linked
>> and duplicate effort
>>
>> roger
>>
>> Hello Roger and all,
>>
>> Is there development of high-speed optical networking so that people
>> are able to meet with their data sets across oceans? Or are we
>> speaking here of other kinds of networking. I have read through
>> Roger's ongoing reports on the series of NSF Art Science workshops and
>> have not seen any talk about this subject. Are the storage archives
>> for large data sets in a cloud that is available to multiple entities?
>>
>> I am convinced that our networking needs to include actual optical
>> connections to one another- but it is extremely difficult to get that
>> up and running. The problems for me have been funding and getting
>> people on board who have never really seen or experienced what is
>> possible. Our CIO is now supporting small steps so that other faculty
>> will be able to see with their own ideas. For Instance, UNM just did a
>> series of Ursonate performances over the National LambdaRail between
>> Supercomputing11 in Seattle and the Center for Advanced Research
>> Computing. We were rehearsing and working out potential problems
>> before a Spring Fluxus Concert between Swinburne U. of Technology,
>> Melbourne, and UNM. These are baby steps designed to show people
>> potential.
>>
>> It is great to network- but we need to be able to do this without so
>> much physical travel. How do we make high-speed optical networking
>> available for a larger group of people in different communities?
>>
>> Can anyone comment on this- with your own experiences?
>>
>>
>> Jack Ox
>> Roger Malina is Director of the Observatoire Astronomique de
>> Marseille Provence and Executive Editor of the Leonardo Publications
>> at MIT Press
>> and member of the steering committee of IMERA the Mediterranean
>> Institute for Advanced Studies.Postal Address: OAMP, 38 Rue Joliot
>> Curie, Marseille 13388, France
>>
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Re: [Yasmin_discussions] networking 5.0

Hi Roger,

I knew about Marcel-- and have just looked at their site- thanks-- However, it seems that MARCEL is AccessGrid- a multi-window software platform-- not an optical network that allows potentially jitterless communication. Jitter, for all who might ask, is an irregular delay-- Musicians regularly deal with a delay; that is why there are conductors. And here is an interesting bit of trivia: The delay between the right side of a large orchestral stage and the left side is the same as between Amsterdam and Tokyo over high-speed optical networks on the highest wave-rate level (the speed of light). (info from Cees Delaat at the U of Amsterdam)

We need to work to get this kind of high-speed optical networking to be available and not so dang hard! For more information you can go to http://www.glif.is/ and http://www.internet2.edu/

While at SC11 at the UNM booth, we had an interesting visit from representatives of Internet2. There has been an ongoing political battle between National LambdaRail and Internet2. What I heard at SC11 is that a billionaire pharmaceutic investor has either 'bought' or 'invested in NLR-- This was supposed to be a research network that is owned and managed by industry and research institutions. The U. of Texas is certainly a big player here- as is the U. of California. The Internet2 people told me they are the arts networking people. I believe that both optical networking entities are now at the same technical level.

As artists, artist-scientists, and researchers we need to harness and make available these resources.

Jack

Jack Ox
www.jackox.net

Associate Research Professor, Department of Music , College of Fine Arts, UNM
Associated Faculty Member with the Center for Advanced Research Computing at UNM
Research Associate, The ARTS Lab, UNM

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On Nov 23, 2011, at 2:46 PM, roger malina wrote:

> Jack
>
> yes both networked infrastructures and networked organisations are
> relevant here=
> since they often overlap
>
> do you know about the Marcel network ?
>
> http://www.mmmarcel.org/
>
> they do a lot of infrastructure networking
>
> one of the topics at the us national science foundation workwshop was that there
> is a proliferation of infrastructure network projects - but that are
> not cross linked
> and duplicate effort
>
> roger
>
> Hello Roger and all,
>
> Is there development of high-speed optical networking so that people
> are able to meet with their data sets across oceans? Or are we
> speaking here of other kinds of networking. I have read through
> Roger's ongoing reports on the series of NSF Art Science workshops and
> have not seen any talk about this subject. Are the storage archives
> for large data sets in a cloud that is available to multiple entities?
>
> I am convinced that our networking needs to include actual optical
> connections to one another- but it is extremely difficult to get that
> up and running. The problems for me have been funding and getting
> people on board who have never really seen or experienced what is
> possible. Our CIO is now supporting small steps so that other faculty
> will be able to see with their own ideas. For Instance, UNM just did a
> series of Ursonate performances over the National LambdaRail between
> Supercomputing11 in Seattle and the Center for Advanced Research
> Computing. We were rehearsing and working out potential problems
> before a Spring Fluxus Concert between Swinburne U. of Technology,
> Melbourne, and UNM. These are baby steps designed to show people
> potential.
>
> It is great to network- but we need to be able to do this without so
> much physical travel. How do we make high-speed optical networking
> available for a larger group of people in different communities?
>
> Can anyone comment on this- with your own experiences?
>
>
> Jack Ox
> Roger Malina is Director of the Observatoire Astronomique de
> Marseille Provence and Executive Editor of the Leonardo Publications
> at MIT Press
> and member of the steering committee of IMERA the Mediterranean
> Institute for Advanced Studies.Postal Address: OAMP, 38 Rue Joliot
> Curie, Marseille 13388, France
>
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Re: [Yasmin_discussions] YASMIN discussion : Networking 5.0: Networks of Networks in Art-Science-Technology

Do you know of the marcel network headed up by Don Forresta?

http://www.mmmarcel.org/node/162

The MARCEL Network, Past & Present
MARCEL is a permanent very high band-width network dedicated to
artistic, educational and cultural experimentation, exchange between art
and science and collaboration between art and industry.

It is also a portal site for the network listing information in art,
science and industry for its members, but open to the public. MARCEL
was designed as a tool to help people move into the high bandwidth
network space with art, science and education and to claim a part of the
network space for culture.

During a meeting in Souillac, France in July 1997 a group of
international experts from art and industry agreed on the importance of
fundamental artistic research, rather than merely applied arts, in the
development of telecommunication networks. The need for collaboration
between artists, artistic establishments and the public and private
sectors in building a permanent high band-width network for artistic
experimentation was the central point of the first conference.
...

Regards,
Richard

On 22/11/2011 22:20, roger malina wrote:
> Networking 5.0: Networks of Networks in Art-Science-Technology
>
> Yasminers- I would like to stimulate a discussion over the coming days
> on the YASMIN DISCUSSION LIST:
>
> http://estia.media.uoa.gr/mailman/listinfo/yasmin_discussions
>
> <a href="http://estia.media.uoa.gr/mailman/listinfo/yasmin_discussions"
> title="yasmin discussion list"></a>
>
> about the new intense wave of developments of networks in our
> art-science-technology
> Community.
>
> I have just returned from the US National Science Foundation workshop \
> At the Maryland Institute College of Art on the Network for Science,
> Engineering, Art and Design (NSEAD) hosted by Gunalan. Nadarajan,
> a good friend of Emerging the Art-Science-Technology field.
>
> ( http://malina.diatrope.com/2011/11/12/nsf-art-science-workshop-at-maryland-institute-college-of-art-nov-14-and-15-2011/
> )
> <a href="( http://malina.diatrope.com/2011/11/12/nsf-art-science-workshop-at-maryland-institute-college-of-art-nov-14-and-15-2011/
> ) " title="MICA NSF workshop for NSEAD"></a>
>
> The last time I worked with Gunalan was at the REFRESH conference at
> Banff in Canada when with Oliver Grau, Sara Diamond, Annick Bureaud,
> Susan Kennard and an international committee we organized the first
> International Conference on Histories of the Media Arts, Sciences
> and Technology in 2005 :
>
> (http://www.banffcentre.ca/bnmi/programs/archives/2005/refresh/lisiten.asp ),
> <a href="(http://www.banffcentre.ca/bnmi/programs/archives/2005/refresh/lisiten.asp
> )," title="refresh"></a>
>
> The network that was initiated at that conference has continued to self mobilize
> With the latest conference being held in Liverpool
> (http://www.rewireconference2011.org/about/)
>
> One of the outcomes from this conference at FACT was a manifesto
> organized by Oliver
> Grau, Sean Cubitt and Ross Harley which has now been signed by over
> 100 members of our community:
>
> http://www.mediaarthistory.org
> <a href="http://www.mediaarthistory.org " title="manifesto"></a>
>
> which has as its goals :
>
> Goals
> a.) Establish international and sustainable funding structures
> Therefore it is essential to establish international and sustainable
> funding structures that can guarantee the persistence of
> these valuable resources, and to make use of networked collaboration
> to archive key data in a cooperative process of knowledge
> transfer between artists, institutions and researchers internationally. ..
>
> b.) Supporting an International Association/Institution for Shared Data
> We urgently need global networked collaboration in Media Art research
> across the aforementioned networks.
> We need as many bridges into society as possible: archives,
> conferences, text repositories, collective database
> documentation, and preservation
>
> You can sign the manifesto at : http://www.mediaarthistory.org/
> <a href="http://www.mediaarthistory.org/" title="manifesto"></a>
>
> This week at the MICA workshop the group (following the work of several other
> Workshops between the US National Science Foundation and the US National
> Endowment for the Arts ) concluded that a new Network for Science- Engineering-
> Art- Design was needed as an advocacy organization for the emerging fields of
> Science/Engineering- Art/Design Practice.
>
> The week before I participated in a conference at IKAS-ARTS in Bilabo on the
> Invitation of Natxo Rodriguez:
>
> (http://www.ikas-art.com/ )
> <a href="http://www.ikas-art.com/" title="ikas"></a>
>
> It is a network of 11 art and design schools in Spain, France and
> internationally
>
> IKAS-ART IS AN ART ENCOUNTER FOR UNIVERSITIES. FINE ARTS FACULTIES
> FROM ALL OVER THE
> WORLD SHOW THEIR STUDENTS' WORK.
>
> There was discussion there of how this network could bid for funding
> as a European
> Creative Regions.
>
> An initiative Regional Studies Association Research Network on
> Creative Regions in Europe is another
> network that includes members of our community:
>
> <a href="http://www.creative-regions.eu/" title="creative
> regions">http://www.creative-regions.eu/</a>
>
> We seem to have emerged in a new wave of institution building in art-science-
> Technology and 'networks' is where the action (and the funding is) !!
>
> There have been a number of 'waves' that historians such as Eddie Shanken
> have described of the kinds of institutions that have been build to
> bridge our creative communities
> ( Bauhaus, EAT/CAVS.., Media Lab/Ars/V2…. ISEA was founded in 1990,
> YASMIN was created in 2000 HASTAC,…….).
>
> I guess my question is: are we entering an era of new ways that we
> organize ourselves ?
> Are we now in the era of 'networks of networks"? Operating networks
> takes larges amount of time and resources.
> How does a sustainable 'network of networks" organize itself (do we
> follow the power Law of many scale free networks
> as described by complex network science, ( with amazon and google
> dominating the rest ? ) See Barabasi Scale-Free Networks: A Decade
> and Beyond. :
>
> http://www.sciencemag.org/content/325/5939/412.full
> <a href="http://www.sciencemag.org/content/325/5939/412.full "
> title="complex"></a>
>
> Or are we creating a dense network with a different structure that
> doesn't follow a
> Power law see Matthias Scholz ?
>
> http://www.network-science.org/similaritymodel.html
> <a href="http://www.network-science.org/similaritymodel.html"
> title="non scale free"></a>
>
> Or does the long tail have the real impact ?
>
> On the YASMIN list we have many people who have set up and participated in
> Networks in art/science/technology . It would be great to have some
> discussion of the new systems we are
> Building and how we design them to really do what we want.
>
> See you on YASMIN
>
> http://estia.media.uoa.gr/mailman/listinfo/yasmin_discussions
>
> Roger Malina
> Yasmin Co Moderator
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[Yasmin_discussions] networking 5.0

Jack

yes both networked infrastructures and networked organisations are
relevant here=
since they often overlap

do you know about the Marcel network ?

http://www.mmmarcel.org/

they do a lot of infrastructure networking

one of the topics at the us national science foundation workwshop was that there
is a proliferation of infrastructure network projects - but that are
not cross linked
and duplicate effort

roger

Hello Roger and all,

Is there development of high-speed optical networking so that people
are able to meet with their data sets across oceans? Or are we
speaking here of other kinds of networking. I have read through
Roger's ongoing reports on the series of NSF Art Science workshops and
have not seen any talk about this subject. Are the storage archives
for large data sets in a cloud that is available to multiple entities?

I am convinced that our networking needs to include actual optical
connections to one another- but it is extremely difficult to get that
up and running. The problems for me have been funding and getting
people on board who have never really seen or experienced what is
possible. Our CIO is now supporting small steps so that other faculty
will be able to see with their own ideas. For Instance, UNM just did a
series of Ursonate performances over the National LambdaRail between
Supercomputing11 in Seattle and the Center for Advanced Research
Computing. We were rehearsing and working out potential problems
before a Spring Fluxus Concert between Swinburne U. of Technology,
Melbourne, and UNM. These are baby steps designed to show people
potential.

It is great to network- but we need to be able to do this without so
much physical travel. How do we make high-speed optical networking
available for a larger group of people in different communities?

Can anyone comment on this- with your own experiences?

Jack Ox
Roger Malina is  Director of the Observatoire Astronomique de
Marseille Provence and Executive Editor of the Leonardo Publications
at MIT Press
and member of the steering committee of IMERA the Mediterranean
Institute for Advanced Studies.Postal Address: OAMP, 38 Rue Joliot
Curie, Marseille 13388, France

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Re: [Yasmin_discussions] YASMIN discussion : Networking 5.0: Networks of Networks in Art-Science-Technology

Hello Roger and all,

Is there development of high-speed optical networking so that people are able to meet with their data sets across oceans? Or are we speaking here of other kinds of networking. I have read through Roger's ongoing reports on the series of NSF Art Science workshops and have not seen any talk about this subject. Are the storage archives for large data sets in a cloud that is available to multiple entities?

I am convinced that our networking needs to include actual optical connections to one another- but it is extremely difficult to get that up and running. The problems for me have been funding and getting people on board who have never really seen or experienced what is possible. Our CIO is now supporting small steps so that other faculty will be able to see with their own ideas. For Instance, UNM just did a series of Ursonate performances over the National LambdaRail between Supercomputing11 in Seattle and the Center for Advanced Research Computing. We were rehearsing and working out potential problems before a Spring Fluxus Concert between Swinburne U. of Technology, Melbourne, and UNM. These are baby steps designed to show people potential.

It is great to network- but we need to be able to do this without so much physical travel. How do we make high-speed optical networking available for a larger group of people in different communities?

Can anyone comment on this- with your own experiences?

Jack Ox

Jack Ox
www.jackox.net

Associate Research Professor, Department of Music , College of Fine Arts, UNM
Associated Faculty Member with the Center for Advanced Research Computing at UNM
Research Associate, The ARTS Lab, UNM

2710 Hyder Ave SE
Albuquerque, NM
87106

landline- 505-217-2167
cell 646-773-3324

On Nov 22, 2011, at 3:20 PM, roger malina wrote:

> Networking 5.0: Networks of Networks in Art-Science-Technology
>
> Yasminers- I would like to stimulate a discussion over the coming days
> on the YASMIN DISCUSSION LIST:
>
> http://estia.media.uoa.gr/mailman/listinfo/yasmin_discussions
>
> <a href="http://estia.media.uoa.gr/mailman/listinfo/yasmin_discussions"
> title="yasmin discussion list"></a>
>
> about the new intense wave of developments of networks in our
> art-science-technology
> Community.
>
> I have just returned from the US National Science Foundation workshop \
> At the Maryland Institute College of Art on the Network for Science,
> Engineering, Art and Design (NSEAD) hosted by Gunalan. Nadarajan,
> a good friend of Emerging the Art-Science-Technology field.
>
> ( http://malina.diatrope.com/2011/11/12/nsf-art-science-workshop-at-maryland-institute-college-of-art-nov-14-and-15-2011/
> )
> <a href="( http://malina.diatrope.com/2011/11/12/nsf-art-science-workshop-at-maryland-institute-college-of-art-nov-14-and-15-2011/
> ) " title="MICA NSF workshop for NSEAD"></a>
>
> The last time I worked with Gunalan was at the REFRESH conference at
> Banff in Canada when with Oliver Grau, Sara Diamond, Annick Bureaud,
> Susan Kennard and an international committee we organized the first
> International Conference on Histories of the Media Arts, Sciences
> and Technology in 2005 :
>
> (http://www.banffcentre.ca/bnmi/programs/archives/2005/refresh/lisiten.asp ),
> <a href="(http://www.banffcentre.ca/bnmi/programs/archives/2005/refresh/lisiten.asp
> )," title="refresh"></a>
>
> The network that was initiated at that conference has continued to self mobilize
> With the latest conference being held in Liverpool
> (http://www.rewireconference2011.org/about/)
>
> One of the outcomes from this conference at FACT was a manifesto
> organized by Oliver
> Grau, Sean Cubitt and Ross Harley which has now been signed by over
> 100 members of our community:
>
> http://www.mediaarthistory.org
> <a href="http://www.mediaarthistory.org " title="manifesto"></a>
>
> which has as its goals :
>
> Goals
> a.) Establish international and sustainable funding structures
> Therefore it is essential to establish international and sustainable
> funding structures that can guarantee the persistence of
> these valuable resources, and to make use of networked collaboration
> to archive key data in a cooperative process of knowledge
> transfer between artists, institutions and researchers internationally. ..
>
> b.) Supporting an International Association/Institution for Shared Data
> We urgently need global networked collaboration in Media Art research
> across the aforementioned networks.
> We need as many bridges into society as possible: archives,
> conferences, text repositories, collective database
> documentation, and preservation
>
> You can sign the manifesto at : http://www.mediaarthistory.org/
> <a href="http://www.mediaarthistory.org/" title="manifesto"></a>
>
> This week at the MICA workshop the group (following the work of several other
> Workshops between the US National Science Foundation and the US National
> Endowment for the Arts ) concluded that a new Network for Science- Engineering-
> Art- Design was needed as an advocacy organization for the emerging fields of
> Science/Engineering- Art/Design Practice.
>
> The week before I participated in a conference at IKAS-ARTS in Bilabo on the
> Invitation of Natxo Rodriguez:
>
> (http://www.ikas-art.com/ )
> <a href="http://www.ikas-art.com/" title="ikas"></a>
>
> It is a network of 11 art and design schools in Spain, France and
> internationally
>
> IKAS-ART IS AN ART ENCOUNTER FOR UNIVERSITIES. FINE ARTS FACULTIES
> FROM ALL OVER THE
> WORLD SHOW THEIR STUDENTS' WORK.
>
> There was discussion there of how this network could bid for funding
> as a European
> Creative Regions.
>
> An initiative Regional Studies Association Research Network on
> Creative Regions in Europe is another
> network that includes members of our community:
>
> <a href="http://www.creative-regions.eu/" title="creative
> regions">http://www.creative-regions.eu/</a>
>
> We seem to have emerged in a new wave of institution building in art-science-
> Technology and 'networks' is where the action (and the funding is) !!
>
> There have been a number of 'waves' that historians such as Eddie Shanken
> have described of the kinds of institutions that have been build to
> bridge our creative communities
> ( Bauhaus, EAT/CAVS.., Media Lab/Ars/V2…. ISEA was founded in 1990,
> YASMIN was created in 2000 HASTAC,…….).
>
> I guess my question is: are we entering an era of new ways that we
> organize ourselves ?
> Are we now in the era of 'networks of networks"? Operating networks
> takes larges amount of time and resources.
> How does a sustainable 'network of networks" organize itself (do we
> follow the power Law of many scale free networks
> as described by complex network science, ( with amazon and google
> dominating the rest ? ) See Barabasi Scale-Free Networks: A Decade
> and Beyond. :
>
> http://www.sciencemag.org/content/325/5939/412.full
> <a href="http://www.sciencemag.org/content/325/5939/412.full "
> title="complex"></a>
>
> Or are we creating a dense network with a different structure that
> doesn't follow a
> Power law see Matthias Scholz ?
>
> http://www.network-science.org/similaritymodel.html
> <a href="http://www.network-science.org/similaritymodel.html"
> title="non scale free"></a>
>
> Or does the long tail have the real impact ?
>
> On the YASMIN list we have many people who have set up and participated in
> Networks in art/science/technology . It would be great to have some
> discussion of the new systems we are
> Building and how we design them to really do what we want.
>
> See you on YASMIN
>
> http://estia.media.uoa.gr/mailman/listinfo/yasmin_discussions
>
> Roger Malina
> Yasmin Co Moderator
>
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[Yasmin_discussions] YASMIN discussion : Networking 5.0: Networks of Networks in Art-Science-Technology

Networking 5.0: Networks of Networks in Art-Science-Technology

Yasminers- I would like to stimulate a discussion over the coming days
on the YASMIN DISCUSSION LIST:

http://estia.media.uoa.gr/mailman/listinfo/yasmin_discussions

<a href="http://estia.media.uoa.gr/mailman/listinfo/yasmin_discussions"
title="yasmin discussion list"></a>

about the new intense wave of developments of networks in our
art-science-technology
Community.

I have just returned from the US National Science Foundation workshop \
At the Maryland Institute College of Art on the Network for Science,
Engineering, Art and Design (NSEAD) hosted by Gunalan. Nadarajan,
a good friend of Emerging the Art-Science-Technology field.

( http://malina.diatrope.com/2011/11/12/nsf-art-science-workshop-at-maryland-institute-college-of-art-nov-14-and-15-2011/
)
<a href="( http://malina.diatrope.com/2011/11/12/nsf-art-science-workshop-at-maryland-institute-college-of-art-nov-14-and-15-2011/
) " title="MICA NSF workshop for NSEAD"></a>

The last time I worked with Gunalan was at the REFRESH conference at
Banff in Canada when with Oliver Grau, Sara Diamond, Annick Bureaud,
Susan Kennard and an international committee we organized the first
International Conference on Histories of the Media Arts, Sciences
and Technology in 2005 :

(http://www.banffcentre.ca/bnmi/programs/archives/2005/refresh/lisiten.asp ),
<a href="(http://www.banffcentre.ca/bnmi/programs/archives/2005/refresh/lisiten.asp
)," title="refresh"></a>

The network that was initiated at that conference has continued to self mobilize
With the latest conference being held in Liverpool
(http://www.rewireconference2011.org/about/)

One of the outcomes from this conference at FACT was a manifesto
organized by Oliver
Grau, Sean Cubitt and Ross Harley which has now been signed by over
100 members of our community:

http://www.mediaarthistory.org
<a href="http://www.mediaarthistory.org " title="manifesto"></a>

which has as its goals :

Goals
a.) Establish international and sustainable funding structures
Therefore it is essential to establish international and sustainable
funding structures that can guarantee the persistence of
these valuable resources, and to make use of networked collaboration
to archive key data in a cooperative process of knowledge
transfer between artists, institutions and researchers internationally. ..

b.) Supporting an International Association/Institution for Shared Data
We urgently need global networked collaboration in Media Art research
across the aforementioned networks.
We need as many bridges into society as possible: archives,
conferences, text repositories, collective database
documentation, and preservation

You can sign the manifesto at : http://www.mediaarthistory.org/
<a href="http://www.mediaarthistory.org/" title="manifesto"></a>

This week at the MICA workshop the group (following the work of several other
Workshops between the US National Science Foundation and the US National
Endowment for the Arts ) concluded that a new Network for Science- Engineering-
Art- Design was needed as an advocacy organization for the emerging fields of
Science/Engineering- Art/Design Practice.

The week before I participated in a conference at IKAS-ARTS in Bilabo on the
Invitation of Natxo Rodriguez:

(http://www.ikas-art.com/ )
<a href="http://www.ikas-art.com/" title="ikas"></a>

It is a network of 11 art and design schools in Spain, France and
internationally

IKAS-ART IS AN ART ENCOUNTER FOR UNIVERSITIES. FINE ARTS FACULTIES
FROM ALL OVER THE
WORLD SHOW THEIR STUDENTS' WORK.

There was discussion there of how this network could bid for funding
as a European
Creative Regions.

An initiative Regional Studies Association Research Network on
Creative Regions in Europe is another
network that includes members of our community:

<a href="http://www.creative-regions.eu/" title="creative
regions">http://www.creative-regions.eu/</a>

We seem to have emerged in a new wave of institution building in art-science-
Technology and 'networks' is where the action (and the funding is) !!

There have been a number of 'waves' that historians such as Eddie Shanken
have described of the kinds of institutions that have been build to
bridge our creative communities
( Bauhaus, EAT/CAVS.., Media Lab/Ars/V2…. ISEA was founded in 1990,
YASMIN was created in 2000 HASTAC,…….).

I guess my question is: are we entering an era of new ways that we
organize ourselves ?
Are we now in the era of 'networks of networks"? Operating networks
takes larges amount of time and resources.
How does a sustainable 'network of networks" organize itself (do we
follow the power Law of many scale free networks
as described by complex network science, ( with amazon and google
dominating the rest ? ) See Barabasi Scale-Free Networks: A Decade
and Beyond. :

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/325/5939/412.full
<a href="http://www.sciencemag.org/content/325/5939/412.full "
title="complex"></a>

Or are we creating a dense network with a different structure that
doesn't follow a
Power law see Matthias Scholz ?

http://www.network-science.org/similaritymodel.html
<a href="http://www.network-science.org/similaritymodel.html"
title="non scale free"></a>

Or does the long tail have the real impact ?

On the YASMIN list we have many people who have set up and participated in
Networks in art/science/technology . It would be great to have some
discussion of the new systems we are
Building and how we design them to really do what we want.

See you on YASMIN

http://estia.media.uoa.gr/mailman/listinfo/yasmin_discussions

Roger Malina
Yasmin Co Moderator

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[Yasmin_discussions] new yasmin modetor

Yasminers

this is roger malina in marseille taking over from pau
alsina in barcelona as yasmin moderator for the coming week

if you are a new subscriber send us a short email
telling us about yourself !!

I just got back from the US National Science Foundation
workshop on setting up the Network for Science Engineering
Art and Design ( NSEAD). The first thing we decided
was to change the name !!

I will start a discussion on this initiative this week on
yasmin discussion liast- if you dont subscribe this
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[Yasmin_discussions] Leuphana Arts Program Symposium 16-18 November 2011

Dear Yasminers,

please find enclosed some information about the forthcoming "art/
science" conference at the University of Lüneburg (near Hambourg) and
which heralds the start of the new Leuphania Arts Programm. It echoes
some of the discussions about art & academia which we have had on
this list.

Cheers,

Jens

__________________________________________________

Leuphana Arts Program -Symposium

Degrees of Freedom. Art Programs at Universities

Leuphana University Lüneburg/Germany
16 - 18 November 2011

Universities are sites of research and of teaching. They are
sometimes also home to artistic practice. The symposium "Degrees of
Freedom. Art Programs at Universities" explores the roles and
potentials of art programs at universities, both for artists and for
the universities themselves.

Experts from different fields and institutional contexts discuss
historical examples of specific programs, experiences and incidents
from different countries. A particular focus will be placed on the
different ways in which the artistic practice is integrated into
university structures. The symposium asks, firstly, how universities
can foster and support artistic work and how artists can best benefit
from the university setting. Secondly, we will discuss the role of
artistic practice in the university and explore the potential of art
practice for a research and teaching institution. Thirdly, we will be
looking at concepts like agency, knowledge, creativity, etc., and
debate how their different connotations in art, science, research and
teaching can be brought into a fruitful dialogue.

The symposium "Degrees of Freedom" will prepare and inaugurate the
new "Leuphana Arts Program" through which Leuphana University will,
in the coming years, bring artists into the university. The work of
artists is based on forms of querying, of searching and exploring,
which are comparable to scientific research, even if they don't
subscribe to the same expectations about objectivity and truth.
Artistic research is aimed at strategically broadening and deepening
knowledge that is not ancillary to an individual project, but that
forms an integral part of an artistic practice. In dialogue with
scientific partners, artistic research can spark important innovative
impulses for the sciences by systematically questioning their
thematic, methodological and epistemological preconceptions.
The relationship between art, science and the humanities is not new
but has been evolving, in its modern Western form, ever since the
Renaissance. However, the conditions under which the dialogue between
these different fields takes place have changed dramatically over the
past century. It is therefore timely to investigate how new feedback
mechanisms might be constructed through which emerging forms of
knowledge and creativity in the arts or in the sciences can be
brought to bear on each other. At the same time, the changes that we
can observe may make it necessary for institutions - like
universities and art schools - to transform and reinvent themselves.
The Leuphana Arts Program serves to integrate art into the university
as a practice, as a form of knowledge and a form of discourse. The
Leuphana Arts Program focuses on the development of artistic
projects. It supports them in the interdisciplinary environment of
the university. The impulses for the evolving interdisciplinary
dialogues come from the artists who are regarded not as mere
'innovative disruptors', but as researchers and developers in their
own right.
LAP seeks to create friction and energy between the different areas
of artistic, scientific and social practice. It is a laboratory, a
site for people working in the crossover zones of artistic
production. Its work is oriented towards open processes rather than
towards finished products. The symposium will address the university
as a context for artistic exploration.

Symposium participants include: Jens Hauser (Ruhr Universität
Bochum), Irène Hediger (Swiss Artists-in-Labs, ZhdK Zurich), Sarat
Maharaj (Lund University), Pierre Guillet de Monthoux (Copenhagen
Business School), Sally-Jane Norman (Attenborough Centre for the
Creative Arts, University of Sussex), Susanne Märtens (HBK
Braunschweig), Claus Pias, Beate Soentgen, Martin Warnke, Ulf
Wuggenig (all Leuphana University Lüneburg), a.o. Moderation: Andreas
Broeckmann (Leuphana Arts Program)

Schedule:
Wed 16 Nov, 17:00-21:00 Get Together, Introduction, Opening Reception
Thu 17 Nov, 09:00-18:00 Symposium, 19:00-21:00 Panel discussion, LAP
inaugural Reception
Fri 18 Nov, 09:00-13:00 Symposium, Closing Lunch

Participation is free, reservation requested at: <lap@leuphana.de>
(also for general and accommodation inquiries)

Supported by the Ministry of Science and Culture of Lower Saxony.

Contact
Leuphana Universität Lüneburg
Leuphana Ars Program
Scharnhorststr. 1, Raum C5.225
21335 Lüneburg
Tel. +49 4131 677 2204
E-Mail lap@leuphana.de

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