Saturday, February 19, 2011

Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Next Step Pubishing: some examples, and questions

Hi Annick,
Living in audiovisual saturated environment imposes instant self-publishing,
once performed by writing(Barthes)....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCQzM639FYY&feature=player_embedded
avi.

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questions

Sorry, hit the send button too quickly.

I suppose that my question is also : can we make a difference between
"writing" and "publishing" in the examples that have been given all along
this discussion ? It seems to me that there is one and that some projects
belong more to the writing model than to the publishing one.

Annick

xDxD.vs.xDxD wrote:
> Dear Yasminers,
> some pointers to interesting developments that can show possible
> scenarios for next step publishing processes, and the ways in which
> new forms of expression can open up interesting questions and spaces
>
> first of all Manifest.AR
> http://www.manifestar.info/
> and their interventions in MoMA and at the Venice Biennial, through
> which they explore reappropriation of spaces and interesting
> possibilities to create spaces for expression "on top" of other ones
>
> and then the first steps towards enhancing the experience of books:
> http://www.bookbusinessmag.com/article/atria-books-employs-new-smart-p
> hone-technology-add-digital-experience-physical-books/
> Atria books add tags to books allowing readers to access authors'
> other works and additional materials such as video and documentation:
> publishing books inside books
>
> and interstitial publishing can create revenues such as at Windermere
> Real Estates
> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/tag/archive/2010/04/20/real-estate-windermere-
> tag.aspx in which microinformation is published directly on the houses
> for sale, allowing potential buyers to see house interiors, open
> dialogues, etc
>
> moving onto totally different domains, the "Selective Memory Theatre"
> creates artificial memory mechanisms by using Fickr as a global brain,
> trying to mimicking the ways our brains work
> http://www.fastcodesign.com/1663245/selective-memory-theatre-uses-flic
> kr-to-mimic-the-brain-video this is an interesting concept for
> generative publishing mechanisms
>
> and, remaining in the human body, the beautifully poetic project "Eye
> am You" by artist Jarashi Suki http://works.jarashi.tv/ suggests how
> devices can be built to publish small, intense, narratives onto bodies
>
> and even the disappearance of user interfaces can bear new spaces full
> of information that build languages made of gestures
> http://news.designlanguage.com/post/1611663345
>
> or as in the proximeter developed at the information ecology lab at
> MIT http://eco.media.mit.edu/static/proximeter/index.html
> the present and past of our social clouds become publishable gestures
>
> and one last example: Sukey
> http://sukey.org/
> this is a realtime mobile application created and used by student
> movements to publish the urban scenario during protests, including
> positions of the police, of the crowds of protesters, and with tools
> specifically designed to publish escape routes, safety areas, and
> collaborative, emergent urban paths across the city.
>
> all these examples, among the hundreds that start filling websites and
> our mailboxes every day, suggest interesting questions on important
> issues such as citizenship, privacy, property and on the re-encoding
> of our time and space.
>
> for example: what is the form of a publisher who choses to create a
> "publication" like the proximeter? how does it deal with privacy? what
> business model does it enact? how can these publications scale to
> become a part of our lives, allowing us to live in more informed, aware
ways?
>
> or, in the case of Sukey: how can these tools be shaped to provide
> opportunities for peer to peer organization? and to create autonmous
> information spaces?
>
> Salvatore
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Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Next Step Pubishing: some examples, and questions

Sorry, hit the send button too quickly.

I suppose that my question is also : can we make a
difference between "writing" and "publishing" in the
examples that have been given all along this discussion ? It
seems to me that there is one and that some projects belong
more to the writing model than to the publishing one.

Annick

xDxD.vs.xDxD wrote:
> Dear Yasminers,
> some pointers to interesting developments that can show possible scenarios
> for next step publishing processes, and the ways in which new forms of
> expression can open up interesting questions and spaces
>
> first of all Manifest.AR
> http://www.manifestar.info/
> and their interventions in MoMA and at the Venice Biennial, through which
> they explore reappropriation of spaces and interesting possibilities to
> create spaces for expression "on top" of other ones
>
> and then the first steps towards enhancing the experience of books:
> http://www.bookbusinessmag.com/article/atria-books-employs-new-smart-phone-technology-add-digital-experience-physical-books/
> Atria books add tags to books allowing readers to access authors' other
> works and additional materials such as video and documentation: publishing
> books inside books
>
> and interstitial publishing can create revenues such as at Windermere Real
> Estates
> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/tag/archive/2010/04/20/real-estate-windermere-tag.aspx
> in which microinformation is published directly on the houses for sale,
> allowing potential buyers to see house interiors, open dialogues, etc
>
> moving onto totally different domains, the "Selective Memory Theatre"
> creates artificial memory mechanisms by using Fickr as a global brain,
> trying to mimicking the ways our brains work
> http://www.fastcodesign.com/1663245/selective-memory-theatre-uses-flickr-to-mimic-the-brain-video
> this is an interesting concept for generative publishing mechanisms
>
> and, remaining in the human body, the beautifully poetic project "Eye am
> You" by artist Jarashi Suki
> http://works.jarashi.tv/
> suggests how devices can be built to publish small, intense, narratives onto
> bodies
>
> and even the disappearance of user interfaces can bear new spaces full of
> information that build languages made of gestures
> http://news.designlanguage.com/post/1611663345
>
> or as in the proximeter developed at the information ecology lab at MIT
> http://eco.media.mit.edu/static/proximeter/index.html
> the present and past of our social clouds become publishable gestures
>
> and one last example: Sukey
> http://sukey.org/
> this is a realtime mobile application created and used by student movements
> to publish the urban scenario during protests, including positions of the
> police, of the crowds of protesters, and with tools specifically designed to
> publish escape routes, safety areas, and collaborative, emergent urban paths
> across the city.
>
> all these examples, among the hundreds that start filling websites and our
> mailboxes every day, suggest interesting questions on important issues such
> as citizenship, privacy, property and on the re-encoding of our time and
> space.
>
> for example: what is the form of a publisher who choses to create a
> "publication" like the proximeter? how does it deal with privacy? what
> business model does it enact? how can these publications scale to become a
> part of our lives, allowing us to live in more informed, aware ways?
>
> or, in the case of Sukey: how can these tools be shaped to provide
> opportunities for peer to peer organization? and to create autonmous
> information spaces?
>
> Salvatore
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Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Next Step Pubishing: some examples, and questions

Dear Salvatore, Dear Yasminers,

Reading Salvatore email and looking at the links he
suggested, I was wandering if the words "publisher" and
"publishing" were not changing meanings (or recovering an
original meaning ?).

Publishing is "making things public", it has been attached
to printed matters for many years, it is interesting that it
needed "new electronic media" to be detached from the
printed format.
Television has not been seen as a "publishing" system, which
it is.

So, I suspect that my question tonight is : can we define
new names to label the different forms of "making things
public" ?

Annick

xDxD.vs.xDxD wrote:
> Dear Yasminers,
> some pointers to interesting developments that can show possible scenarios
> for next step publishing processes, and the ways in which new forms of
> expression can open up interesting questions and spaces
>
> first of all Manifest.AR
> http://www.manifestar.info/
> and their interventions in MoMA and at the Venice Biennial, through which
> they explore reappropriation of spaces and interesting possibilities to
> create spaces for expression "on top" of other ones
>
> and then the first steps towards enhancing the experience of books:
> http://www.bookbusinessmag.com/article/atria-books-employs-new-smart-phone-technology-add-digital-experience-physical-books/
> Atria books add tags to books allowing readers to access authors' other
> works and additional materials such as video and documentation: publishing
> books inside books
>
> and interstitial publishing can create revenues such as at Windermere Real
> Estates
> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/tag/archive/2010/04/20/real-estate-windermere-tag.aspx
> in which microinformation is published directly on the houses for sale,
> allowing potential buyers to see house interiors, open dialogues, etc
>
> moving onto totally different domains, the "Selective Memory Theatre"
> creates artificial memory mechanisms by using Fickr as a global brain,
> trying to mimicking the ways our brains work
> http://www.fastcodesign.com/1663245/selective-memory-theatre-uses-flickr-to-mimic-the-brain-video
> this is an interesting concept for generative publishing mechanisms
>
> and, remaining in the human body, the beautifully poetic project "Eye am
> You" by artist Jarashi Suki
> http://works.jarashi.tv/
> suggests how devices can be built to publish small, intense, narratives onto
> bodies
>
> and even the disappearance of user interfaces can bear new spaces full of
> information that build languages made of gestures
> http://news.designlanguage.com/post/1611663345
>
> or as in the proximeter developed at the information ecology lab at MIT
> http://eco.media.mit.edu/static/proximeter/index.html
> the present and past of our social clouds become publishable gestures
>
> and one last example: Sukey
> http://sukey.org/
> this is a realtime mobile application created and used by student movements
> to publish the urban scenario during protests, including positions of the
> police, of the crowds of protesters, and with tools specifically designed to
> publish escape routes, safety areas, and collaborative, emergent urban paths
> across the city.
>
> all these examples, among the hundreds that start filling websites and our
> mailboxes every day, suggest interesting questions on important issues such
> as citizenship, privacy, property and on the re-encoding of our time and
> space.
>
> for example: what is the form of a publisher who choses to create a
> "publication" like the proximeter? how does it deal with privacy? what
> business model does it enact? how can these publications scale to become a
> part of our lives, allowing us to live in more informed, aware ways?
>
> or, in the case of Sukey: how can these tools be shaped to provide
> opportunities for peer to peer organization? and to create autonmous
> information spaces?
>
> Salvatore
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[Yasmin_discussions] Next Step Pubishing: some examples, and questions

Dear Yasminers,
some pointers to interesting developments that can show possible scenarios
for next step publishing processes, and the ways in which new forms of
expression can open up interesting questions and spaces

first of all Manifest.AR
http://www.manifestar.info/
and their interventions in MoMA and at the Venice Biennial, through which
they explore reappropriation of spaces and interesting possibilities to
create spaces for expression "on top" of other ones

and then the first steps towards enhancing the experience of books:
http://www.bookbusinessmag.com/article/atria-books-employs-new-smart-phone-technology-add-digital-experience-physical-books/
Atria books add tags to books allowing readers to access authors' other
works and additional materials such as video and documentation: publishing
books inside books

and interstitial publishing can create revenues such as at Windermere Real
Estates
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/tag/archive/2010/04/20/real-estate-windermere-tag.aspx
in which microinformation is published directly on the houses for sale,
allowing potential buyers to see house interiors, open dialogues, etc

moving onto totally different domains, the "Selective Memory Theatre"
creates artificial memory mechanisms by using Fickr as a global brain,
trying to mimicking the ways our brains work
http://www.fastcodesign.com/1663245/selective-memory-theatre-uses-flickr-to-mimic-the-brain-video
this is an interesting concept for generative publishing mechanisms

and, remaining in the human body, the beautifully poetic project "Eye am
You" by artist Jarashi Suki
http://works.jarashi.tv/
suggests how devices can be built to publish small, intense, narratives onto
bodies

and even the disappearance of user interfaces can bear new spaces full of
information that build languages made of gestures
http://news.designlanguage.com/post/1611663345

or as in the proximeter developed at the information ecology lab at MIT
http://eco.media.mit.edu/static/proximeter/index.html
the present and past of our social clouds become publishable gestures

and one last example: Sukey
http://sukey.org/
this is a realtime mobile application created and used by student movements
to publish the urban scenario during protests, including positions of the
police, of the crowds of protesters, and with tools specifically designed to
publish escape routes, safety areas, and collaborative, emergent urban paths
across the city.

all these examples, among the hundreds that start filling websites and our
mailboxes every day, suggest interesting questions on important issues such
as citizenship, privacy, property and on the re-encoding of our time and
space.

for example: what is the form of a publisher who choses to create a
"publication" like the proximeter? how does it deal with privacy? what
business model does it enact? how can these publications scale to become a
part of our lives, allowing us to live in more informed, aware ways?

or, in the case of Sukey: how can these tools be shaped to provide
opportunities for peer to peer organization? and to create autonmous
information spaces?

Salvatore
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Thursday, February 17, 2011

Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Next Step Publishing: FakePress Statement

Next step publishing as narrative blogart:  My wife Miriam and I invite you to
join in celebrating our 52nd year of marriage by following our blogart project
"Torah Tweets: A Postdigital Biblical Commentary as a Blogart Narrative" at
http://torahtweets.blogspot.com.  During each of the 52 weeks of our 52nd year,
we post six photographs reflecting our life together with torah tweet captions
that relate the weekly biblical portion to our lives, past and present.
 Professor Mel Alexenberg, Head of the School of the Arts, Emuna College,
Jerusalem, Israel, former art professor, Columbia University, head of the art
department, Pratt Institute, and research fellow, MIT Center for Advanced Visual
Studies
Author of The Future of Art in a Postdigital Age: From Hellenistic to Hebraic
Consciousness and Educating Artists for the Future: Learning at the
Intersections of Art, Science, Technology, and Culture (Intellect
Books/University of Chicago Press) and in Hebrew: Dialogic Art in a Digital
World: Judaism and Contemporary Art (Jerusalem: Rubin Mass House)

melalexenberg@yahoo.com
www.melalexenberg.com 


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From: oriana persico <oriana.persico@gmail.com>
To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@estia.media.uoa.gr>
Sent: Thu, February 17, 2011 2:17:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Next Step Publishing: FakePress Statement

2011/2/17 Avi Rosen <avi@siglab.technion.ac.il>

>
> we are(through our extensions) in superposition (simultaneously everywhere
> in time-space domain)
> we can call it: "Next Step mutual- self-Publishing" .
>

I just love the expression: is inspiring :)
thanks
oriana

> Avi.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr
> [mailto:yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr] On Behalf Of
> xDxD.vs.xDxD
> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 4:24 PM
> To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS
> Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Next Step Publishing: FakePress Statement
>
> hi Avi,
>
> actually: i completely agree to that.
>
> and that includes Bateson & Mead ( representation through differences and
> networked expressions and importance of personal experience) and Debord
> (redefinig the world according to experience/condition/context) and Deleuze
> (time and space unified by the subject)
>
> which probably answers both questions: which are probably the same single
> question placed according to different directions.
>
> images on cell phones and tv screens are personal experience, as much as we
> interpret them. and "we are seeing them with the eye": they could have
> easily not existed (man on the moon anyone?) and it wouldn't have mattered.
>
> as Orson Welles in "F for Fake": "it is not important if it's real or fake,
> as long as it is a good fake"
>
> and, turning around and observing the same thing from the opposite
> direction: these technologies which we are talking about are really about
> multiplication, fluidification and interconnection. multiplication of
> layers, emergence of unexpected somethings, identities that turn fluidly
> from 1 to 100000 to 0, as people move continuously back and forth from
> individuality, collectivity, anonymity, just as their information and
> stories do.
>
> in this situation: there is no answer. everything is a scenario.
>
> including the idea of intellectual property, data ownership and the
> definitions of what "forms of expressions" are.
>
> again here i think that the word "multiplication" helps a lot, and it looks
> to me as if it is a really effective descriptor of contemporary times.
>
> the more interesting ideas of a "next-step-publisher" that i can think of
> have a lot to do with it. And, sadly for Facebook & C., they requrie levels
> of accessibility, remixability, openness, transparency, plurality,
> autonomy,
> tolerance and freedom that these large operators just cannot provide.
> unless
> they mutate in radical ways.
>
> and this is not a "moral" consideration, but a technical one.
>
> salvatore
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Avi Rosen
> <avi@siglab.technion.ac.il>wrote:
>
> > Hi Salvatore,
> > Our knowledge of global and local events is not of a personal
> > experience anymore, it is heavily based on digital media : Facebook,
> > Twitter. Google, CNN,  Wikileaks etc.  as Jean  Baudrillard
> > suggested:" The Middle east revolution Did Not Take Place"  for most
> > of us it existed more as images on computer, cell phone  and TV
> > screens than personal experience, that most of the decisions and
> > occurrences  in the revolution  were based on perceived data coming
> > from internet, images, sounds and news, than from actual
> seen-with-the-eye
> experience.
> >
> > The question in simulacra or Cimulacra (C=speed of light
> > communication) era, is what really are the "possibilities and freedoms
> > of expression and on creating the conditions for sustainable forms of
> > expression"? And what is "personal expression intellectual property
> > and data/information ownership"?...
> > Avi.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr
> > [mailto:yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr] On Behalf Of
> > xDxD.vs.xDxD
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 10:31 AM
> > To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS
> > Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Next Step Publishing: FakePress
> > Statement
> >
> > Hi Avi,
> >
> > global internet operators are, indeed, an interesting example of "next
> > step publishers", i totally agree to that. yet in their actions they
> > completely miss a series of points for what concerns the possibility
> > (and freedoms, by the way) of expression and on creating the
> > conditions for sustainable forms of expression.
> >
> > first of all the issues concerning intellectual property and
> > data/information ownership, and of censorship and openness.
> >
> > and then: while all these services enact entire new scenarios for
> > personal expression (and they assume the role of next-step-publishers
> > in this) their strategies focus a lot more on people working for free on
> their platforms.
> >
> > these operators seem more like next-step-governments (or
> > next-step-bureaucracies, or next-step-global-city-administrations)
> > than next-step-publishers, at least for what concerns their core
> businesses.
> >
> > it seems to me that really interesting scenarios for publishing live
> > more "on top" of these operators.
> >
> > As ethics change and the idea of "sharing" becomes a central component
> > of the idea of "value", and as networks complete their action in
> > creating one single, global, city-nation-metropolis that is layered on
> > top of the world, in which countries, local administrations and
> > governments start to loose all meanings and powers, global operators
> > turn into the new administrations and governments.
> >
> > i think it was remarkable observing how Google handled the debate with
> > China(!) about censorship: it was a diplomatic dialogue!
> >
> > as in all the scenarios opened up by augmented cities, senseable
> > cities, living cities and all the others, the place for publishers
> > will probably sit "on top" of the ecosystem created by these "new
> > countries" (which, actually,
> > overlap: which is another interesting point for analysis), layering
> > autonomous forms of expression on them.
> >
> > if this process is open and accessible, and if it is designed with
> > ethnography and cultural anthropology in mind, it can create entirely
> > new layers of information and narratives, bringing forth new forms of
> > awareness (to the environment, energy, emotions, economy...) together
> > with new forms of stories and, if openness, accessibility and freedoms
> > are a focus in this process, also with new tolerant, free forms of
> expressions.
> >
> > In this for example, i find both radically provocative and very
> > interesting the comment made earlier on by Natasha, as it points out a
> > real transformation of "self" inside a networked humanity. While i do
> > not share many of the points of view of transhumanism, i find very
> > interesting and stimulating the idea of suggesting a complete
> change/mutation.
> >
> > and i also the ideas of multiple, autonomous-yet-networked
> > individuals/groups in the examples by Simone, Roger and Massimo as new
> > forms of "eyes" which not only produce new "visions", but also produce
> > new "environments" and "imaginaries" for visions layered and
> > interconnectable on top of a digital-analog world.
> >
> > in this: the scenario suggested by large operators such as Facebook,
> > using centralized databases, closedness, inacessibility, censorship
> > and the lack of sustainability models (both cultural and economic)
> > for the participants is a *big* problem. And, again, it is not so much
> > about publishing: maybe more about government.
> >
> > best,
> > Salvatore
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 7:01 AM, Avi Rosen <avi@siglab.technion.ac.il
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Luca,
> > > I believe that the internet  hubs such as "Google", "Yahoo", "Facebook"
> > > etc. are the future (present) publishers, while encompassing global
> > > data base they provide individually tailored content exemplar,
> > > according to surfer's preferences and browsing history (including
> > > references of Google Scholar 4 scientific content ...)
> > > http://www.artciencia.com/Admin/Ficheiros/AVIROSEN191.pdf
> > > A.
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr
> > > [mailto:yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr] On Behalf Of
> > > Luca Simeone
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 10:39 PM
> > > To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS
> > > Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Next Step Publishing: FakePress
> > > Statement
> > >
> > > Hi Avi & yasminers,
> > >
> > > I see your point. What we also see though is that in some cases
> > > publishing strategies are still partially driven by specific
> > > editorial processes. For example, as John Wilbanks argues in a
> > > recent post published on
> > > http://seedmagazine.com/content/article/on_science_publishing
> > > the distribution of scientific content is still strongly tied to
> > > traditional processes even though it has obviously changed because
> > > of what you call cyber-aura.
> > > Publishers and the evaluation / editorial processes they set up and
> > > organize are still an important component in selecting, packaging
> > > and distributing scientific content. So, again, we see that some
> > > elements from the traditional author/publisher relation are still
> > > alive and they still profoundly affect the distribution of scientific
> knowledge.
> > >
> > > Is this a value to save in the future? What will be the role of
> > > publishers in the future? Will there be a new configuration where
> > > horizontal processes (with no aura) cross vertical processes backed
> > > by
> > some sort of authorities?
> > >
> > > I guess this is our big question mark with FakePress!
> > >
> > > Ciao
> > > l
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Avi Rosen
> > > <avi@siglab.technion.ac.il>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Hi Luca & yasminers.
> > > >
> > > > " in (an auratic?) specific time and space"...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > When time-space is no longer experienced in Euclidian manner, the
> > > > gap between traditional publishing and individual content
> distribution
> > > > vanishes, as content rolls past the PC, tablet, or cellular  display
> > > > according to our individual preferences and surfing history.
> > > >
> > > > At the turn of the twentieth century Paul Valery predicted: "Just
> > > > as water, gas, and electricity are brought into our houses from
> > > > far off to satisfy our need in response to a minimal effort, so we
> > > > shall be supplied with visual or auditory images, which will
> > > > appear and disappear at a simple movement of the hand, hardly more
> than a sign."
> > > >
> > > > This fact led to a dramatic turning-point of the disappearance of
> > > > the traditional author/publisher,  and the birth of the cyber-aura
> > > > witnessed by the cyber-flâneur (surfer). The meaning of individual
> > > > cyber publishing and its cyber-aura according to traditional
> > > > iconological and iconographical tools turned irrelevant. It is now
> > > > valued according to a system of fuzzy logic, dealing with the
> > > > concept of partial truth with values ranging between "completely
> > > > true" and
> > > "completely false".
> > > >
> > > > Avi.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr
> > > > [mailto:yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr] On Behalf
> > > > Of Luca Simeone
> > > > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 10:42 PM
> > > > To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS
> > > > Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Next Step Publishing: FakePress
> > > > Statement
> > > >
> > > > hi marc and yasminers,
> > > >
> > > > well, i guess our point of view is that there are several,
> > > > multiple competing truths at the same time (or none). traditional
> > > > publishing processes select, package and distribute information
> > > > and, in so doing, design specific configurations of reality.
> > > > fakepress wants to somewhat re-articulate this approach
> > > > multiplying the layers related to the publishing process. this
> > > > process (for traditional publishers) was just fixed and determined
> > > > in (an auratic?) specific time and space. this sort of aura
> > > > related to the publishing processes was also an important component
> to
> shape the authority of the publishers.
> > > > in some ways, it's like fakepress wants to question both this
> > > > authority and the idea that the moment of 'printing' / 'publishing'
> > > > / 'press' is frozen in time and space. but, at the same time, we
> > > > don't want to abandon the idea and the role of publishers if seen
> > > > in a more open way. we still think that there is room for cultural
> > > > bodies that select, package and distribute information, especially
> > > > in this historical moment where the quantity of information will
> > > > keep increasing
> > > exponentially.
> > > >
> > > > fakepress looked like an oxymoron that represent our internal (and
> > > > not yet
> > > > resolved) tension.
> > > >
> > > > ciao!
> > > >
> > > > luca
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Next Step Publishing: FakePress Statement

2011/2/17 Avi Rosen <avi@siglab.technion.ac.il>

>
> we are(through our extensions) in superposition (simultaneously everywhere
> in time-space domain)
> we can call it: "Next Step mutual- self-Publishing" .
>

I just love the expression: is inspiring :)
thanks
oriana

> Avi.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr
> [mailto:yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr] On Behalf Of
> xDxD.vs.xDxD
> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 4:24 PM
> To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS
> Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Next Step Publishing: FakePress Statement
>
> hi Avi,
>
> actually: i completely agree to that.
>
> and that includes Bateson & Mead ( representation through differences and
> networked expressions and importance of personal experience) and Debord
> (redefinig the world according to experience/condition/context) and Deleuze
> (time and space unified by the subject)
>
> which probably answers both questions: which are probably the same single
> question placed according to different directions.
>
> images on cell phones and tv screens are personal experience, as much as we
> interpret them. and "we are seeing them with the eye": they could have
> easily not existed (man on the moon anyone?) and it wouldn't have mattered.
>
> as Orson Welles in "F for Fake": "it is not important if it's real or fake,
> as long as it is a good fake"
>
> and, turning around and observing the same thing from the opposite
> direction: these technologies which we are talking about are really about
> multiplication, fluidification and interconnection. multiplication of
> layers, emergence of unexpected somethings, identities that turn fluidly
> from 1 to 100000 to 0, as people move continuously back and forth from
> individuality, collectivity, anonymity, just as their information and
> stories do.
>
> in this situation: there is no answer. everything is a scenario.
>
> including the idea of intellectual property, data ownership and the
> definitions of what "forms of expressions" are.
>
> again here i think that the word "multiplication" helps a lot, and it looks
> to me as if it is a really effective descriptor of contemporary times.
>
> the more interesting ideas of a "next-step-publisher" that i can think of
> have a lot to do with it. And, sadly for Facebook & C., they requrie levels
> of accessibility, remixability, openness, transparency, plurality,
> autonomy,
> tolerance and freedom that these large operators just cannot provide.
> unless
> they mutate in radical ways.
>
> and this is not a "moral" consideration, but a technical one.
>
> salvatore
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Avi Rosen
> <avi@siglab.technion.ac.il>wrote:
>
> > Hi Salvatore,
> > Our knowledge of global and local events is not of a personal
> > experience anymore, it is heavily based on digital media : Facebook,
> > Twitter. Google, CNN, Wikileaks etc. as Jean Baudrillard
> > suggested:" The Middle east revolution Did Not Take Place" for most
> > of us it existed more as images on computer, cell phone and TV
> > screens than personal experience, that most of the decisions and
> > occurrences in the revolution were based on perceived data coming
> > from internet, images, sounds and news, than from actual
> seen-with-the-eye
> experience.
> >
> > The question in simulacra or Cimulacra (C=speed of light
> > communication) era, is what really are the "possibilities and freedoms
> > of expression and on creating the conditions for sustainable forms of
> > expression"? And what is "personal expression intellectual property
> > and data/information ownership"?...
> > Avi.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr
> > [mailto:yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr] On Behalf Of
> > xDxD.vs.xDxD
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 10:31 AM
> > To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS
> > Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Next Step Publishing: FakePress
> > Statement
> >
> > Hi Avi,
> >
> > global internet operators are, indeed, an interesting example of "next
> > step publishers", i totally agree to that. yet in their actions they
> > completely miss a series of points for what concerns the possibility
> > (and freedoms, by the way) of expression and on creating the
> > conditions for sustainable forms of expression.
> >
> > first of all the issues concerning intellectual property and
> > data/information ownership, and of censorship and openness.
> >
> > and then: while all these services enact entire new scenarios for
> > personal expression (and they assume the role of next-step-publishers
> > in this) their strategies focus a lot more on people working for free on
> their platforms.
> >
> > these operators seem more like next-step-governments (or
> > next-step-bureaucracies, or next-step-global-city-administrations)
> > than next-step-publishers, at least for what concerns their core
> businesses.
> >
> > it seems to me that really interesting scenarios for publishing live
> > more "on top" of these operators.
> >
> > As ethics change and the idea of "sharing" becomes a central component
> > of the idea of "value", and as networks complete their action in
> > creating one single, global, city-nation-metropolis that is layered on
> > top of the world, in which countries, local administrations and
> > governments start to loose all meanings and powers, global operators
> > turn into the new administrations and governments.
> >
> > i think it was remarkable observing how Google handled the debate with
> > China(!) about censorship: it was a diplomatic dialogue!
> >
> > as in all the scenarios opened up by augmented cities, senseable
> > cities, living cities and all the others, the place for publishers
> > will probably sit "on top" of the ecosystem created by these "new
> > countries" (which, actually,
> > overlap: which is another interesting point for analysis), layering
> > autonomous forms of expression on them.
> >
> > if this process is open and accessible, and if it is designed with
> > ethnography and cultural anthropology in mind, it can create entirely
> > new layers of information and narratives, bringing forth new forms of
> > awareness (to the environment, energy, emotions, economy...) together
> > with new forms of stories and, if openness, accessibility and freedoms
> > are a focus in this process, also with new tolerant, free forms of
> expressions.
> >
> > In this for example, i find both radically provocative and very
> > interesting the comment made earlier on by Natasha, as it points out a
> > real transformation of "self" inside a networked humanity. While i do
> > not share many of the points of view of transhumanism, i find very
> > interesting and stimulating the idea of suggesting a complete
> change/mutation.
> >
> > and i also the ideas of multiple, autonomous-yet-networked
> > individuals/groups in the examples by Simone, Roger and Massimo as new
> > forms of "eyes" which not only produce new "visions", but also produce
> > new "environments" and "imaginaries" for visions layered and
> > interconnectable on top of a digital-analog world.
> >
> > in this: the scenario suggested by large operators such as Facebook,
> > using centralized databases, closedness, inacessibility, censorship
> > and the lack of sustainability models (both cultural and economic)
> > for the participants is a *big* problem. And, again, it is not so much
> > about publishing: maybe more about government.
> >
> > best,
> > Salvatore
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 7:01 AM, Avi Rosen <avi@siglab.technion.ac.il
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Luca,
> > > I believe that the internet hubs such as "Google", "Yahoo", "Facebook"
> > > etc. are the future (present) publishers, while encompassing global
> > > data base they provide individually tailored content exemplar,
> > > according to surfer's preferences and browsing history (including
> > > references of Google Scholar 4 scientific content ...)
> > > http://www.artciencia.com/Admin/Ficheiros/AVIROSEN191.pdf
> > > A.
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr
> > > [mailto:yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr] On Behalf Of
> > > Luca Simeone
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 10:39 PM
> > > To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS
> > > Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Next Step Publishing: FakePress
> > > Statement
> > >
> > > Hi Avi & yasminers,
> > >
> > > I see your point. What we also see though is that in some cases
> > > publishing strategies are still partially driven by specific
> > > editorial processes. For example, as John Wilbanks argues in a
> > > recent post published on
> > > http://seedmagazine.com/content/article/on_science_publishing
> > > the distribution of scientific content is still strongly tied to
> > > traditional processes even though it has obviously changed because
> > > of what you call cyber-aura.
> > > Publishers and the evaluation / editorial processes they set up and
> > > organize are still an important component in selecting, packaging
> > > and distributing scientific content. So, again, we see that some
> > > elements from the traditional author/publisher relation are still
> > > alive and they still profoundly affect the distribution of scientific
> knowledge.
> > >
> > > Is this a value to save in the future? What will be the role of
> > > publishers in the future? Will there be a new configuration where
> > > horizontal processes (with no aura) cross vertical processes backed
> > > by
> > some sort of authorities?
> > >
> > > I guess this is our big question mark with FakePress!
> > >
> > > Ciao
> > > l
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Avi Rosen
> > > <avi@siglab.technion.ac.il>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Hi Luca & yasminers.
> > > >
> > > > " in (an auratic?) specific time and space"...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > When time-space is no longer experienced in Euclidian manner, the
> > > > gap between traditional publishing and individual content
> distribution
> > > > vanishes, as content rolls past the PC, tablet, or cellular display
> > > > according to our individual preferences and surfing history.
> > > >
> > > > At the turn of the twentieth century Paul Valery predicted: "Just
> > > > as water, gas, and electricity are brought into our houses from
> > > > far off to satisfy our need in response to a minimal effort, so we
> > > > shall be supplied with visual or auditory images, which will
> > > > appear and disappear at a simple movement of the hand, hardly more
> than a sign."
> > > >
> > > > This fact led to a dramatic turning-point of the disappearance of
> > > > the traditional author/publisher, and the birth of the cyber-aura
> > > > witnessed by the cyber-flâneur (surfer). The meaning of individual
> > > > cyber publishing and its cyber-aura according to traditional
> > > > iconological and iconographical tools turned irrelevant. It is now
> > > > valued according to a system of fuzzy logic, dealing with the
> > > > concept of partial truth with values ranging between "completely
> > > > true" and
> > > "completely false".
> > > >
> > > > Avi.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr
> > > > [mailto:yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr] On Behalf
> > > > Of Luca Simeone
> > > > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 10:42 PM
> > > > To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS
> > > > Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Next Step Publishing: FakePress
> > > > Statement
> > > >
> > > > hi marc and yasminers,
> > > >
> > > > well, i guess our point of view is that there are several,
> > > > multiple competing truths at the same time (or none). traditional
> > > > publishing processes select, package and distribute information
> > > > and, in so doing, design specific configurations of reality.
> > > > fakepress wants to somewhat re-articulate this approach
> > > > multiplying the layers related to the publishing process. this
> > > > process (for traditional publishers) was just fixed and determined
> > > > in (an auratic?) specific time and space. this sort of aura
> > > > related to the publishing processes was also an important component
> to
> shape the authority of the publishers.
> > > > in some ways, it's like fakepress wants to question both this
> > > > authority and the idea that the moment of 'printing' / 'publishing'
> > > > / 'press' is frozen in time and space. but, at the same time, we
> > > > don't want to abandon the idea and the role of publishers if seen
> > > > in a more open way. we still think that there is room for cultural
> > > > bodies that select, package and distribute information, especially
> > > > in this historical moment where the quantity of information will
> > > > keep increasing
> > > exponentially.
> > > >
> > > > fakepress looked like an oxymoron that represent our internal (and
> > > > not yet
> > > > resolved) tension.
> > > >
> > > > ciao!
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> > > > luca
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Wednesday, February 16, 2011

Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Next Step Publishing: FakePress Statement

Hi Salvatore
Cyberspace is an Utopian space we live in, and completely agree upon :-)
We can use it in any way, sometime subversive, like in "Digital Skin"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj0-lFamDr4
where I digitized myself to an embedded information layer of "Google earth &
sky"...
we are(through our extensions) in superposition (simultaneously everywhere
in time-space domain)
we can call it: "Next Step mutual- self-Publishing" .
Avi.

-----Original Message-----
From: yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr
[mailto:yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr] On Behalf Of
xDxD.vs.xDxD
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 4:24 PM
To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS
Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Next Step Publishing: FakePress Statement

hi Avi,

actually: i completely agree to that.

and that includes Bateson & Mead ( representation through differences and
networked expressions and importance of personal experience) and Debord
(redefinig the world according to experience/condition/context) and Deleuze
(time and space unified by the subject)

which probably answers both questions: which are probably the same single
question placed according to different directions.

images on cell phones and tv screens are personal experience, as much as we
interpret them. and "we are seeing them with the eye": they could have
easily not existed (man on the moon anyone?) and it wouldn't have mattered.

as Orson Welles in "F for Fake": "it is not important if it's real or fake,
as long as it is a good fake"

and, turning around and observing the same thing from the opposite
direction: these technologies which we are talking about are really about
multiplication, fluidification and interconnection. multiplication of
layers, emergence of unexpected somethings, identities that turn fluidly
from 1 to 100000 to 0, as people move continuously back and forth from
individuality, collectivity, anonymity, just as their information and
stories do.

in this situation: there is no answer. everything is a scenario.

including the idea of intellectual property, data ownership and the
definitions of what "forms of expressions" are.

again here i think that the word "multiplication" helps a lot, and it looks
to me as if it is a really effective descriptor of contemporary times.

the more interesting ideas of a "next-step-publisher" that i can think of
have a lot to do with it. And, sadly for Facebook & C., they requrie levels
of accessibility, remixability, openness, transparency, plurality, autonomy,
tolerance and freedom that these large operators just cannot provide. unless
they mutate in radical ways.

and this is not a "moral" consideration, but a technical one.

salvatore


On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Avi Rosen
<avi@siglab.technion.ac.il>wrote:

> Hi Salvatore,
> Our knowledge of global and local events is not of a personal
> experience anymore, it is heavily based on digital media : Facebook,
> Twitter. Google, CNN, Wikileaks etc. as Jean Baudrillard
> suggested:" The Middle east revolution Did Not Take Place" for most
> of us it existed more as images on computer, cell phone and TV
> screens than personal experience, that most of the decisions and
> occurrences in the revolution were based on perceived data coming
> from internet, images, sounds and news, than from actual seen-with-the-eye
experience.
>
> The question in simulacra or Cimulacra (C=speed of light
> communication) era, is what really are the "possibilities and freedoms
> of expression and on creating the conditions for sustainable forms of
> expression"? And what is "personal expression intellectual property
> and data/information ownership"?...
> Avi.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr
> [mailto:yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr] On Behalf Of
> xDxD.vs.xDxD
> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 10:31 AM
> To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS
> Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Next Step Publishing: FakePress
> Statement
>
> Hi Avi,
>
> global internet operators are, indeed, an interesting example of "next
> step publishers", i totally agree to that. yet in their actions they
> completely miss a series of points for what concerns the possibility
> (and freedoms, by the way) of expression and on creating the
> conditions for sustainable forms of expression.
>
> first of all the issues concerning intellectual property and
> data/information ownership, and of censorship and openness.
>
> and then: while all these services enact entire new scenarios for
> personal expression (and they assume the role of next-step-publishers
> in this) their strategies focus a lot more on people working for free on
their platforms.
>
> these operators seem more like next-step-governments (or
> next-step-bureaucracies, or next-step-global-city-administrations)
> than next-step-publishers, at least for what concerns their core
businesses.
>
> it seems to me that really interesting scenarios for publishing live
> more "on top" of these operators.
>
> As ethics change and the idea of "sharing" becomes a central component
> of the idea of "value", and as networks complete their action in
> creating one single, global, city-nation-metropolis that is layered on
> top of the world, in which countries, local administrations and
> governments start to loose all meanings and powers, global operators
> turn into the new administrations and governments.
>
> i think it was remarkable observing how Google handled the debate with
> China(!) about censorship: it was a diplomatic dialogue!
>
> as in all the scenarios opened up by augmented cities, senseable
> cities, living cities and all the others, the place for publishers
> will probably sit "on top" of the ecosystem created by these "new
> countries" (which, actually,
> overlap: which is another interesting point for analysis), layering
> autonomous forms of expression on them.
>
> if this process is open and accessible, and if it is designed with
> ethnography and cultural anthropology in mind, it can create entirely
> new layers of information and narratives, bringing forth new forms of
> awareness (to the environment, energy, emotions, economy...) together
> with new forms of stories and, if openness, accessibility and freedoms
> are a focus in this process, also with new tolerant, free forms of
expressions.
>
> In this for example, i find both radically provocative and very
> interesting the comment made earlier on by Natasha, as it points out a
> real transformation of "self" inside a networked humanity. While i do
> not share many of the points of view of transhumanism, i find very
> interesting and stimulating the idea of suggesting a complete
change/mutation.
>
> and i also the ideas of multiple, autonomous-yet-networked
> individuals/groups in the examples by Simone, Roger and Massimo as new
> forms of "eyes" which not only produce new "visions", but also produce
> new "environments" and "imaginaries" for visions layered and
> interconnectable on top of a digital-analog world.
>
> in this: the scenario suggested by large operators such as Facebook,
> using centralized databases, closedness, inacessibility, censorship
> and the lack of sustainability models (both cultural and economic)
> for the participants is a *big* problem. And, again, it is not so much
> about publishing: maybe more about government.
>
> best,
> Salvatore
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 7:01 AM, Avi Rosen <avi@siglab.technion.ac.il
> >wrote:
>
> > Hi Luca,
> > I believe that the internet hubs such as "Google", "Yahoo", "Facebook"
> > etc. are the future (present) publishers, while encompassing global
> > data base they provide individually tailored content exemplar,
> > according to surfer's preferences and browsing history (including
> > references of Google Scholar 4 scientific content ...)
> > http://www.artciencia.com/Admin/Ficheiros/AVIROSEN191.pdf
> > A.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr
> > [mailto:yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr] On Behalf Of
> > Luca Simeone
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 10:39 PM
> > To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS
> > Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Next Step Publishing: FakePress
> > Statement
> >
> > Hi Avi & yasminers,
> >
> > I see your point. What we also see though is that in some cases
> > publishing strategies are still partially driven by specific
> > editorial processes. For example, as John Wilbanks argues in a
> > recent post published on
> > http://seedmagazine.com/content/article/on_science_publishing
> > the distribution of scientific content is still strongly tied to
> > traditional processes even though it has obviously changed because
> > of what you call cyber-aura.
> > Publishers and the evaluation / editorial processes they set up and
> > organize are still an important component in selecting, packaging
> > and distributing scientific content. So, again, we see that some
> > elements from the traditional author/publisher relation are still
> > alive and they still profoundly affect the distribution of scientific
knowledge.
> >
> > Is this a value to save in the future? What will be the role of
> > publishers in the future? Will there be a new configuration where
> > horizontal processes (with no aura) cross vertical processes backed
> > by
> some sort of authorities?
> >
> > I guess this is our big question mark with FakePress!
> >
> > Ciao
> > l
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Avi Rosen
> > <avi@siglab.technion.ac.il>
> > wrote:
> > > Hi Luca & yasminers.
> > >
> > > " in (an auratic?) specific time and space"...
> > >
> > >
> > > When time-space is no longer experienced in Euclidian manner, the
> > > gap between traditional publishing and individual content distribution
> > > vanishes, as content rolls past the PC, tablet, or cellular display
> > > according to our individual preferences and surfing history.
> > >
> > > At the turn of the twentieth century Paul Valery predicted: "Just
> > > as water, gas, and electricity are brought into our houses from
> > > far off to satisfy our need in response to a minimal effort, so we
> > > shall be supplied with visual or auditory images, which will
> > > appear and disappear at a simple movement of the hand, hardly more
than a sign."
> > >
> > > This fact led to a dramatic turning-point of the disappearance of
> > > the traditional author/publisher, and the birth of the cyber-aura
> > > witnessed by the cyber-flâneur (surfer). The meaning of individual
> > > cyber publishing and its cyber-aura according to traditional
> > > iconological and iconographical tools turned irrelevant. It is now
> > > valued according to a system of fuzzy logic, dealing with the
> > > concept of partial truth with values ranging between "completely
> > > true" and
> > "completely false".
> > >
> > > Avi.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr
> > > [mailto:yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr] On Behalf
> > > Of Luca Simeone
> > > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 10:42 PM
> > > To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS
> > > Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Next Step Publishing: FakePress
> > > Statement
> > >
> > > hi marc and yasminers,
> > >
> > > well, i guess our point of view is that there are several,
> > > multiple competing truths at the same time (or none). traditional
> > > publishing processes select, package and distribute information
> > > and, in so doing, design specific configurations of reality.
> > > fakepress wants to somewhat re-articulate this approach
> > > multiplying the layers related to the publishing process. this
> > > process (for traditional publishers) was just fixed and determined
> > > in (an auratic?) specific time and space. this sort of aura
> > > related to the publishing processes was also an important component to
shape the authority of the publishers.
> > > in some ways, it's like fakepress wants to question both this
> > > authority and the idea that the moment of 'printing' / 'publishing'
> > > / 'press' is frozen in time and space. but, at the same time, we
> > > don't want to abandon the idea and the role of publishers if seen
> > > in a more open way. we still think that there is room for cultural
> > > bodies that select, package and distribute information, especially
> > > in this historical moment where the quantity of information will
> > > keep increasing
> > exponentially.
> > >
> > > fakepress looked like an oxymoron that represent our internal (and
> > > not yet
> > > resolved) tension.
> > >
> > > ciao!
> > >
> > > luca
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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