>
> we are(through our extensions) in superposition (simultaneously everywhere
> in time-space domain)
> we can call it: "Next Step mutual- self-Publishing" .
>
I just love the expression: is inspiring :)
thanks
oriana
> Avi.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr
> [mailto:yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr] On Behalf Of
> xDxD.vs.xDxD
> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 4:24 PM
> To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS
> Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Next Step Publishing: FakePress Statement
>
> hi Avi,
>
> actually: i completely agree to that.
>
> and that includes Bateson & Mead ( representation through differences and
> networked expressions and importance of personal experience) and Debord
> (redefinig the world according to experience/condition/context) and Deleuze
> (time and space unified by the subject)
>
> which probably answers both questions: which are probably the same single
> question placed according to different directions.
>
> images on cell phones and tv screens are personal experience, as much as we
> interpret them. and "we are seeing them with the eye": they could have
> easily not existed (man on the moon anyone?) and it wouldn't have mattered.
>
> as Orson Welles in "F for Fake": "it is not important if it's real or fake,
> as long as it is a good fake"
>
> and, turning around and observing the same thing from the opposite
> direction: these technologies which we are talking about are really about
> multiplication, fluidification and interconnection. multiplication of
> layers, emergence of unexpected somethings, identities that turn fluidly
> from 1 to 100000 to 0, as people move continuously back and forth from
> individuality, collectivity, anonymity, just as their information and
> stories do.
>
> in this situation: there is no answer. everything is a scenario.
>
> including the idea of intellectual property, data ownership and the
> definitions of what "forms of expressions" are.
>
> again here i think that the word "multiplication" helps a lot, and it looks
> to me as if it is a really effective descriptor of contemporary times.
>
> the more interesting ideas of a "next-step-publisher" that i can think of
> have a lot to do with it. And, sadly for Facebook & C., they requrie levels
> of accessibility, remixability, openness, transparency, plurality,
> autonomy,
> tolerance and freedom that these large operators just cannot provide.
> unless
> they mutate in radical ways.
>
> and this is not a "moral" consideration, but a technical one.
>
> salvatore
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Avi Rosen
> <avi@siglab.technion.ac.il>wrote:
>
> > Hi Salvatore,
> > Our knowledge of global and local events is not of a personal
> > experience anymore, it is heavily based on digital media : Facebook,
> > Twitter. Google, CNN, Wikileaks etc. as Jean Baudrillard
> > suggested:" The Middle east revolution Did Not Take Place" for most
> > of us it existed more as images on computer, cell phone and TV
> > screens than personal experience, that most of the decisions and
> > occurrences in the revolution were based on perceived data coming
> > from internet, images, sounds and news, than from actual
> seen-with-the-eye
> experience.
> >
> > The question in simulacra or Cimulacra (C=speed of light
> > communication) era, is what really are the "possibilities and freedoms
> > of expression and on creating the conditions for sustainable forms of
> > expression"? And what is "personal expression intellectual property
> > and data/information ownership"?...
> > Avi.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr
> > [mailto:yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr] On Behalf Of
> > xDxD.vs.xDxD
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 10:31 AM
> > To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS
> > Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Next Step Publishing: FakePress
> > Statement
> >
> > Hi Avi,
> >
> > global internet operators are, indeed, an interesting example of "next
> > step publishers", i totally agree to that. yet in their actions they
> > completely miss a series of points for what concerns the possibility
> > (and freedoms, by the way) of expression and on creating the
> > conditions for sustainable forms of expression.
> >
> > first of all the issues concerning intellectual property and
> > data/information ownership, and of censorship and openness.
> >
> > and then: while all these services enact entire new scenarios for
> > personal expression (and they assume the role of next-step-publishers
> > in this) their strategies focus a lot more on people working for free on
> their platforms.
> >
> > these operators seem more like next-step-governments (or
> > next-step-bureaucracies, or next-step-global-city-administrations)
> > than next-step-publishers, at least for what concerns their core
> businesses.
> >
> > it seems to me that really interesting scenarios for publishing live
> > more "on top" of these operators.
> >
> > As ethics change and the idea of "sharing" becomes a central component
> > of the idea of "value", and as networks complete their action in
> > creating one single, global, city-nation-metropolis that is layered on
> > top of the world, in which countries, local administrations and
> > governments start to loose all meanings and powers, global operators
> > turn into the new administrations and governments.
> >
> > i think it was remarkable observing how Google handled the debate with
> > China(!) about censorship: it was a diplomatic dialogue!
> >
> > as in all the scenarios opened up by augmented cities, senseable
> > cities, living cities and all the others, the place for publishers
> > will probably sit "on top" of the ecosystem created by these "new
> > countries" (which, actually,
> > overlap: which is another interesting point for analysis), layering
> > autonomous forms of expression on them.
> >
> > if this process is open and accessible, and if it is designed with
> > ethnography and cultural anthropology in mind, it can create entirely
> > new layers of information and narratives, bringing forth new forms of
> > awareness (to the environment, energy, emotions, economy...) together
> > with new forms of stories and, if openness, accessibility and freedoms
> > are a focus in this process, also with new tolerant, free forms of
> expressions.
> >
> > In this for example, i find both radically provocative and very
> > interesting the comment made earlier on by Natasha, as it points out a
> > real transformation of "self" inside a networked humanity. While i do
> > not share many of the points of view of transhumanism, i find very
> > interesting and stimulating the idea of suggesting a complete
> change/mutation.
> >
> > and i also the ideas of multiple, autonomous-yet-networked
> > individuals/groups in the examples by Simone, Roger and Massimo as new
> > forms of "eyes" which not only produce new "visions", but also produce
> > new "environments" and "imaginaries" for visions layered and
> > interconnectable on top of a digital-analog world.
> >
> > in this: the scenario suggested by large operators such as Facebook,
> > using centralized databases, closedness, inacessibility, censorship
> > and the lack of sustainability models (both cultural and economic)
> > for the participants is a *big* problem. And, again, it is not so much
> > about publishing: maybe more about government.
> >
> > best,
> > Salvatore
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 7:01 AM, Avi Rosen <avi@siglab.technion.ac.il
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Luca,
> > > I believe that the internet hubs such as "Google", "Yahoo", "Facebook"
> > > etc. are the future (present) publishers, while encompassing global
> > > data base they provide individually tailored content exemplar,
> > > according to surfer's preferences and browsing history (including
> > > references of Google Scholar 4 scientific content ...)
> > > http://www.artciencia.com/Admin/Ficheiros/AVIROSEN191.pdf
> > > A.
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr
> > > [mailto:yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr] On Behalf Of
> > > Luca Simeone
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 10:39 PM
> > > To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS
> > > Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Next Step Publishing: FakePress
> > > Statement
> > >
> > > Hi Avi & yasminers,
> > >
> > > I see your point. What we also see though is that in some cases
> > > publishing strategies are still partially driven by specific
> > > editorial processes. For example, as John Wilbanks argues in a
> > > recent post published on
> > > http://seedmagazine.com/content/article/on_science_publishing
> > > the distribution of scientific content is still strongly tied to
> > > traditional processes even though it has obviously changed because
> > > of what you call cyber-aura.
> > > Publishers and the evaluation / editorial processes they set up and
> > > organize are still an important component in selecting, packaging
> > > and distributing scientific content. So, again, we see that some
> > > elements from the traditional author/publisher relation are still
> > > alive and they still profoundly affect the distribution of scientific
> knowledge.
> > >
> > > Is this a value to save in the future? What will be the role of
> > > publishers in the future? Will there be a new configuration where
> > > horizontal processes (with no aura) cross vertical processes backed
> > > by
> > some sort of authorities?
> > >
> > > I guess this is our big question mark with FakePress!
> > >
> > > Ciao
> > > l
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Avi Rosen
> > > <avi@siglab.technion.ac.il>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Hi Luca & yasminers.
> > > >
> > > > " in (an auratic?) specific time and space"...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > When time-space is no longer experienced in Euclidian manner, the
> > > > gap between traditional publishing and individual content
> distribution
> > > > vanishes, as content rolls past the PC, tablet, or cellular display
> > > > according to our individual preferences and surfing history.
> > > >
> > > > At the turn of the twentieth century Paul Valery predicted: "Just
> > > > as water, gas, and electricity are brought into our houses from
> > > > far off to satisfy our need in response to a minimal effort, so we
> > > > shall be supplied with visual or auditory images, which will
> > > > appear and disappear at a simple movement of the hand, hardly more
> than a sign."
> > > >
> > > > This fact led to a dramatic turning-point of the disappearance of
> > > > the traditional author/publisher, and the birth of the cyber-aura
> > > > witnessed by the cyber-flâneur (surfer). The meaning of individual
> > > > cyber publishing and its cyber-aura according to traditional
> > > > iconological and iconographical tools turned irrelevant. It is now
> > > > valued according to a system of fuzzy logic, dealing with the
> > > > concept of partial truth with values ranging between "completely
> > > > true" and
> > > "completely false".
> > > >
> > > > Avi.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr
> > > > [mailto:yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr] On Behalf
> > > > Of Luca Simeone
> > > > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 10:42 PM
> > > > To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS
> > > > Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Next Step Publishing: FakePress
> > > > Statement
> > > >
> > > > hi marc and yasminers,
> > > >
> > > > well, i guess our point of view is that there are several,
> > > > multiple competing truths at the same time (or none). traditional
> > > > publishing processes select, package and distribute information
> > > > and, in so doing, design specific configurations of reality.
> > > > fakepress wants to somewhat re-articulate this approach
> > > > multiplying the layers related to the publishing process. this
> > > > process (for traditional publishers) was just fixed and determined
> > > > in (an auratic?) specific time and space. this sort of aura
> > > > related to the publishing processes was also an important component
> to
> shape the authority of the publishers.
> > > > in some ways, it's like fakepress wants to question both this
> > > > authority and the idea that the moment of 'printing' / 'publishing'
> > > > / 'press' is frozen in time and space. but, at the same time, we
> > > > don't want to abandon the idea and the role of publishers if seen
> > > > in a more open way. we still think that there is room for cultural
> > > > bodies that select, package and distribute information, especially
> > > > in this historical moment where the quantity of information will
> > > > keep increasing
> > > exponentially.
> > > >
> > > > fakepress looked like an oxymoron that represent our internal (and
> > > > not yet
> > > > resolved) tension.
> > > >
> > > > ciao!
> > > >
> > > > luca
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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