it¹s very interesting for me your discussion... in my opinion the next
future of publishing is creating ideas, data, news, in general, texts, but
no longer supports, just texts to introduce in a new space that is
cyberspace (³utopian²? maybe, or ³e-topia² as William Mitchell defined the
city in the networking society). In cyberspace every text will be sharable
and modifiable and it will create new texts. The problem is: and the author?
And copyright? That¹s the point. Every author creates a new author and new
texts ("Next Step mutual- self-Publishing")... this is the ruin of the
cultural market as we know it... Salvatore talked about ³intellectual
property and data/information ownership, and censorship and openness²...
Artists now can play with ³intellectual property and data/information
ownership, and censorship and openness² because they fight against an old
cultural market system, but what will happen after the crisis of this model?
I can not see different system. Maybe Sal is right when he writes: ³as in
all the scenarios opened up by augmented cities, senseable cities, living
cities and all the others, the place for publishers will probably sit "on
top" of the ecosystem created by these "new countries" (which, actually,
overlap: which is another interesting point for analysis), layering
autonomous forms of expression on them.² But we have to begin to think about
³augmented reality² as a real space. We experience the real space through
senses that are instruments (maybe media) and we experience cyberspace
through media that augmente our senses and evinromental. We modifie every
space with our living, with our senses and our instruments. Publishing is
like contemporary cities: a question of space (see Manuell Castells about
the question of space in network society).
We have to think in space and for space and leave a time model of thinking
(cinema, novel, history left to right, up to bottom, author, publishing
house, capitalism, in general Modernity). A space model of thinking means to
publish at the same time texts for individuals and community, for cities and
network, for local and global. Texts that are places.
You can see this other example, another website, ³cityoneminutes²
(http://www.cityoneminutes.org/#/utrecht/0), a map where you can see or
broadcast videos about cities. An emotional map of the international cities.
It¹s very interesting the overlap of two spaces: real and virtual. They
create a map and a (e-)book in fieri...
Simone
Il 17-02-2011 7:21, "Avi Rosen" <avi@siglab.technion.ac.il> ha scritto:
> Hi Salvatore
> Cyberspace is an Utopian space we live in, and completely agree upon :-)
> We can use it in any way, sometime subversive, like in "Digital Skin"
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj0-lFamDr4
> where I digitized myself to an embedded information layer of "Google earth &
> sky"...
> we are(through our extensions) in superposition (simultaneously everywhere
> in time-space domain)
> we can call it: "Next Step mutual- self-Publishing" .
> Avi.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr
> [mailto:yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr] On Behalf Of
> xDxD.vs.xDxD
> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 4:24 PM
> To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS
> Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Next Step Publishing: FakePress Statement
>
> hi Avi,
>
> actually: i completely agree to that.
>
> and that includes Bateson & Mead ( representation through differences and
> networked expressions and importance of personal experience) and Debord
> (redefinig the world according to experience/condition/context) and Deleuze
> (time and space unified by the subject)
>
> which probably answers both questions: which are probably the same single
> question placed according to different directions.
>
> images on cell phones and tv screens are personal experience, as much as we
> interpret them. and "we are seeing them with the eye": they could have
> easily not existed (man on the moon anyone?) and it wouldn't have mattered.
>
> as Orson Welles in "F for Fake": "it is not important if it's real or fake,
> as long as it is a good fake"
>
> and, turning around and observing the same thing from the opposite
> direction: these technologies which we are talking about are really about
> multiplication, fluidification and interconnection. multiplication of
> layers, emergence of unexpected somethings, identities that turn fluidly
> from 1 to 100000 to 0, as people move continuously back and forth from
> individuality, collectivity, anonymity, just as their information and
> stories do.
>
> in this situation: there is no answer. everything is a scenario.
>
> including the idea of intellectual property, data ownership and the
> definitions of what "forms of expressions" are.
>
> again here i think that the word "multiplication" helps a lot, and it looks
> to me as if it is a really effective descriptor of contemporary times.
>
> the more interesting ideas of a "next-step-publisher" that i can think of
> have a lot to do with it. And, sadly for Facebook & C., they requrie levels
> of accessibility, remixability, openness, transparency, plurality, autonomy,
> tolerance and freedom that these large operators just cannot provide. unless
> they mutate in radical ways.
>
> and this is not a "moral" consideration, but a technical one.
>
> salvatore
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Avi Rosen
> <avi@siglab.technion.ac.il>wrote:
>
>> Hi Salvatore,
>> Our knowledge of global and local events is not of a personal
>> experience anymore, it is heavily based on digital media : Facebook,
>> Twitter. Google, CNN, Wikileaks etc. as Jean Baudrillard
>> suggested:" The Middle east revolution Did Not Take Place" for most
>> of us it existed more as images on computer, cell phone and TV
>> screens than personal experience, that most of the decisions and
>> occurrences in the revolution were based on perceived data coming
>> from internet, images, sounds and news, than from actual seen-with-the-eye
> experience.
>>
>> The question in simulacra or Cimulacra (C=speed of light
>> communication) era, is what really are the "possibilities and freedoms
>> of expression and on creating the conditions for sustainable forms of
>> expression"? And what is "personal expression intellectual property
>> and data/information ownership"?...
>> Avi.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr
>> [mailto:yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr] On Behalf Of
>> xDxD.vs.xDxD
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 10:31 AM
>> To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS
>> Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Next Step Publishing: FakePress
>> Statement
>>
>> Hi Avi,
>>
>> global internet operators are, indeed, an interesting example of "next
>> step publishers", i totally agree to that. yet in their actions they
>> completely miss a series of points for what concerns the possibility
>> (and freedoms, by the way) of expression and on creating the
>> conditions for sustainable forms of expression.
>>
>> first of all the issues concerning intellectual property and
>> data/information ownership, and of censorship and openness.
>>
>> and then: while all these services enact entire new scenarios for
>> personal expression (and they assume the role of next-step-publishers
>> in this) their strategies focus a lot more on people working for free on
> their platforms.
>>
>> these operators seem more like next-step-governments (or
>> next-step-bureaucracies, or next-step-global-city-administrations)
>> than next-step-publishers, at least for what concerns their core
> businesses.
>>
>> it seems to me that really interesting scenarios for publishing live
>> more "on top" of these operators.
>>
>> As ethics change and the idea of "sharing" becomes a central component
>> of the idea of "value", and as networks complete their action in
>> creating one single, global, city-nation-metropolis that is layered on
>> top of the world, in which countries, local administrations and
>> governments start to loose all meanings and powers, global operators
>> turn into the new administrations and governments.
>>
>> i think it was remarkable observing how Google handled the debate with
>> China(!) about censorship: it was a diplomatic dialogue!
>>
>> as in all the scenarios opened up by augmented cities, senseable
>> cities, living cities and all the others, the place for publishers
>> will probably sit "on top" of the ecosystem created by these "new
>> countries" (which, actually,
>> overlap: which is another interesting point for analysis), layering
>> autonomous forms of expression on them.
>>
>> if this process is open and accessible, and if it is designed with
>> ethnography and cultural anthropology in mind, it can create entirely
>> new layers of information and narratives, bringing forth new forms of
>> awareness (to the environment, energy, emotions, economy...) together
>> with new forms of stories and, if openness, accessibility and freedoms
>> are a focus in this process, also with new tolerant, free forms of
> expressions.
>>
>> In this for example, i find both radically provocative and very
>> interesting the comment made earlier on by Natasha, as it points out a
>> real transformation of "self" inside a networked humanity. While i do
>> not share many of the points of view of transhumanism, i find very
>> interesting and stimulating the idea of suggesting a complete
> change/mutation.
>>
>> and i also the ideas of multiple, autonomous-yet-networked
>> individuals/groups in the examples by Simone, Roger and Massimo as new
>> forms of "eyes" which not only produce new "visions", but also produce
>> new "environments" and "imaginaries" for visions layered and
>> interconnectable on top of a digital-analog world.
>>
>> in this: the scenario suggested by large operators such as Facebook,
>> using centralized databases, closedness, inacessibility, censorship
>> and the lack of sustainability models (both cultural and economic)
>> for the participants is a *big* problem. And, again, it is not so much
>> about publishing: maybe more about government.
>>
>> best,
>> Salvatore
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 7:01 AM, Avi Rosen <avi@siglab.technion.ac.il
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Luca,
>>> I believe that the internet hubs such as "Google", "Yahoo", "Facebook"
>>> etc. are the future (present) publishers, while encompassing global
>>> data base they provide individually tailored content exemplar,
>>> according to surfer's preferences and browsing history (including
>>> references of Google Scholar 4 scientific content ...)
>>> http://www.artciencia.com/Admin/Ficheiros/AVIROSEN191.pdf
>>> A.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr
>>> [mailto:yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr] On Behalf Of
>>> Luca Simeone
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 10:39 PM
>>> To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS
>>> Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Next Step Publishing: FakePress
>>> Statement
>>>
>>> Hi Avi & yasminers,
>>>
>>> I see your point. What we also see though is that in some cases
>>> publishing strategies are still partially driven by specific
>>> editorial processes. For example, as John Wilbanks argues in a
>>> recent post published on
>>> http://seedmagazine.com/content/article/on_science_publishing
>>> the distribution of scientific content is still strongly tied to
>>> traditional processes even though it has obviously changed because
>>> of what you call cyber-aura.
>>> Publishers and the evaluation / editorial processes they set up and
>>> organize are still an important component in selecting, packaging
>>> and distributing scientific content. So, again, we see that some
>>> elements from the traditional author/publisher relation are still
>>> alive and they still profoundly affect the distribution of scientific
> knowledge.
>>>
>>> Is this a value to save in the future? What will be the role of
>>> publishers in the future? Will there be a new configuration where
>>> horizontal processes (with no aura) cross vertical processes backed
>>> by
>> some sort of authorities?
>>>
>>> I guess this is our big question mark with FakePress!
>>>
>>> Ciao
>>> l
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Avi Rosen
>>> <avi@siglab.technion.ac.il>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi Luca & yasminers.
>>>>
>>>> " in (an auratic?) specific time and space"...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> When time-space is no longer experienced in Euclidian manner, the
>>>> gap between traditional publishing and individual content distribution
>>>> vanishes, as content rolls past the PC, tablet, or cellular display
>>>> according to our individual preferences and surfing history.
>>>>
>>>> At the turn of the twentieth century Paul Valery predicted: "Just
>>>> as water, gas, and electricity are brought into our houses from
>>>> far off to satisfy our need in response to a minimal effort, so we
>>>> shall be supplied with visual or auditory images, which will
>>>> appear and disappear at a simple movement of the hand, hardly more
> than a sign."
>>>>
>>>> This fact led to a dramatic turning-point of the disappearance of
>>>> the traditional author/publisher, and the birth of the cyber-aura
>>>> witnessed by the cyber-flâneur (surfer). The meaning of individual
>>>> cyber publishing and its cyber-aura according to traditional
>>>> iconological and iconographical tools turned irrelevant. It is now
>>>> valued according to a system of fuzzy logic, dealing with the
>>>> concept of partial truth with values ranging between ³completely
>>>> true² and
>>> ³completely false".
>>>>
>>>> Avi.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr
>>>> [mailto:yasmin_discussions-bounces@estia.media.uoa.gr] On Behalf
>>>> Of Luca Simeone
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 10:42 PM
>>>> To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS
>>>> Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Next Step Publishing: FakePress
>>>> Statement
>>>>
>>>> hi marc and yasminers,
>>>>
>>>> well, i guess our point of view is that there are several,
>>>> multiple competing truths at the same time (or none). traditional
>>>> publishing processes select, package and distribute information
>>>> and, in so doing, design specific configurations of reality.
>>>> fakepress wants to somewhat re-articulate this approach
>>>> multiplying the layers related to the publishing process. this
>>>> process (for traditional publishers) was just fixed and determined
>>>> in (an auratic?) specific time and space. this sort of aura
>>>> related to the publishing processes was also an important component to
> shape the authority of the publishers.
>>>> in some ways, it's like fakepress wants to question both this
>>>> authority and the idea that the moment of 'printing' / 'publishing'
>>>> / 'press' is frozen in time and space. but, at the same time, we
>>>> don't want to abandon the idea and the role of publishers if seen
>>>> in a more open way. we still think that there is room for cultural
>>>> bodies that select, package and distribute information, especially
>>>> in this historical moment where the quantity of information will
>>>> keep increasing
>>> exponentially.
>>>>
>>>> fakepress looked like an oxymoron that represent our internal (and
>>>> not yet
>>>> resolved) tension.
>>>>
>>>> ciao!
>>>>
>>>> luca
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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