A very interesting post and thank you for the reference. It poses the question of "who is the spectator" and "what is the spectacle".
To come back to Tobias, who first put the question of "public" authoring in participatory strategies, a relevant graffiti came to my mind - I pass through this writing on the wall in my neighbourhood every day: "when rape becomes a spectacle, then the spectator becomes a rapist".
Although I wish I am being mistaken, maybe the rhetoric of participatory action has already been reversed, like the rhetoric of social interaction back in the early 90s (through these popular media that you mentioned).
Any opposite point of view, however, would be quite welcome :-)
Very best,
Veroniki
--- Στις Τρίτ., 19/10/10, ο/η Daphne Dragona <daphne.dragona@gmail.com> έγραψε:
Από: Daphne Dragona <daphne.dragona@gmail.com>
Θέμα: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Hybrid Space - Hybrid Cities discussion
Προς: "YASMIN DISCUSSIONS" <yasmin_discussions@estia.media.uoa.gr>
Ημερομηνία: Τρίτη, 19 Οκτώβριος 2010, 10:28
Dear yasminers,
Thanks to everybody that has posted new interesting directions and points to
our discussion the last weeks. Some thoughts and questions came to my mind
as I was reading the emails, so here is a small contribution from my side.
Regarding the discussion on what does the "hybrid city as an interface"
could mean and in particular Katharine's and Dimitri's posts on one hand
*Katharine also suggests that "...For sure I carry a device with me
that augments the space. But the screen is still my interface; it
rarely spills out into the city."*
*When we are interacting we may move around in physical space in order to
trigger events
or read/write information onto space. In this sense, physical space is a
part of the context within which we interact and which is supporting
navigation and interacting with geo-located information. So in my mind it
may also be considered as an aspect of the interface that we experience. *
* *
and Tobias' comment on control on the other
* *
*"You can achieve the most effective control, if there is an illusion of
no control: If you create a dispositive, where participants / citizens have
the illusion to be authors / explorers of reality, it is much easier to
control the space and the people within."*
unavoidably brought the Google Empire into my mind. I believe that not only
the platforms themselves, that is Google earth, Google Maps and Google
Street Views , influence our notion of the city and enhance the hybrid city
model but that the ambiguous character of control plays an important role
to what this hybrid city is/ will be.
The image of the world today very much depends on Google's image of the
world, on its capturing through satellites, airplanes and google cars. It is
an image that we can jump into, we can navigate, we can experience and
explore, an image we can also contribute to with our own images. It seems
like a world which is open and accessible , but under whose gaze it is
mostly being assembled?
A very interesting recent book that refers to the metamorphosis of the
city's image through the media is
Eric Gordon's, The Urban Spectator : American Concept Cities from Kodak to
Google
For Gordon today's city is a "database city", "a city with no content other
than to grant access to content... built for a spectator who wants to
reconnect with the city, but doesn't want to be told precisely how that
connection is to take place. This is the same spectator stepped in the
language of digital networks and databases who desires a city he can possess
and organize into a personalized urban narrative.
…
We are being watched but by whom and for what reason is unclear even for
those watching. (taken from Kafka's Trial)"
Gordon furthermore explains that we enjoy the database cities for the same
reason that we like Google itself and we dont mind it having access to our
personal's search histories. Because there is a suggested transparency: even
if the same information is shared with marketers, we believe we are in
control of our data and we feel safe.
The potentialities given by the geographical oriented visual search engines
today are surely exciting. But are we really granted access and control
because we think that we can modify and personalise the urban environment?
Can a new image of the city be shaped by all users - habitants?
I think there is an interesting misunderstanding here , when believing or
hoping that we are mostly going from the public towards the common when we
are still in the stage of semi-private or semi-public exercising control.
Something Molly also mentioned from another perspective.
Cheers
daphne
On 18 October 2010 11:07, rob van kranenburg <kranenbuster@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Nina,
>
> Thanks!
> I know of it because my good friend Matt Ratto is running Critical Making.
> With Bronac Ferran, jaromil, Felipe Fonseca and Matt we set up Bricolabs
> http://www.bricolabs.net/
> in 2007
>
> Greetings, Rob
>
> On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 5:15 PM, nina czegledy <czegledy@interlog.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Dear All,
> >
> > thanks Rob - regarding the Internet of Things
> > please note Designing Digital Media for the Internet of Things (DDiMIT)
> our
> > University of Toronto initiative since 2009
> > http://criticalmaking.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Timbits2009.pdf
> >
> > best
> > nina czegledy
> >
> > Dear all,
> >>
> >> also please check out the workshops Council, a thinktank for the
> Internet
> >> of
> >> Things, launched with in december 2009
> >>
> >> http://www.theinternetofthings.eu/workshops
> >>
> >> This december 2010 in Paris:
> >> http://www.theinternetofthings.eu/council-france
> >>
> >> Salut! Rob
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