based on the excellent experience I had participating in a conference
he organized as part of Art Futura at the fabulous Es Baluard Museum
in Palma, as well as his writing in art.es and other venues. I warmly
welcome him to the Yasmin community, to which I'm quite certain he can
and will make a valuable contribution, and hope that a get together
will take place in Mallorca.
Ed
Dr. Edward Shanken
University of Amsterdam
www.artexetra.com
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> 1. Hybrid city as an interface = VillesAllantVers [?] (xavier leton)
> 2. Re: Hybrid Space - Hybrid Cities discussion (Veroniki Korakidou)
> 3. of flashmobs, foursquare and facades..... (Katharine S. Willis)
> 4. Re: of flashmobs, foursquare and facades..... (Martin Rieser)
> 5. Re: of flashmobs, foursquare and facades..... (molly Hankwitz)
> 6. Re: of flashmobs, foursquare and facades..... (Tobias Rosenberger)
> 7. Monica Bello Bugallo joins as yasmin moderator (roger malina)
> 8. Hybrid Space - Hybrid Cities discussion (Dimitris Charitos)
> 9. Presentation (Pau Waelder Laso)
> 10. Re: Hybrid Space - Hybrid Cities discussion (Martin Rieser)
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: xavier leton <xavier@confettis.org>
> To: yasmin_discussions@estia.media.uoa.gr
> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 15:56:43 +0200
> Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] Hybrid city as an interface = VillesAllantVers [?]
> Dear all,
> bonjour,
> --
> Multilingual fast translator (free):
> http://www.worldlingo.com/en/products_services/worldlingo_translator.html
> --
> *En*
> abstract :
> VillesAllantVers is a material and virtual multi-media workshop. The objective is to transform the repetitive "routes in the city" which we carry out, in texts of creations, drawings, films/animations and to create starting from these data, an installation on Internet and in situ.
> This in order to give to see and "feel" the city with height of its inhabitants. This creation is at the same time a sensitizing of a public to multi-media and visual arts and participative creation.
> It rests on the participation, which Agusto Boal calls of the specta_C_teurs.
> http://villesallantvers.org/
> --
> *Fr*
> Mes connaissances écrites de l'anglais ne me permettent pas de participer au débat concernant "Hybrid City".
> Néanmoins, je me demandais si l'atelier de création intitulé "Les VillesAllantVers" s'inscrit dans la thématique de ce débat ?
>
> Aussi permettez-moi de vous présentez Les "VillesAllantVers". Cette création repose sur un atelier multimédia matériel et virtuel. L'objectif est de transformer les "parcours" répétitifs que nous effectuons en villes, en textes de créations, dessins, collages, films et de créer à partir de ces données, une installation sur Internet et in situ. Ceci afin de donner à voir et "sentir" la ville à hauteur de ses habitants. Cette création est à la fois une sensibilisation d'un public aux arts médiatiques et visuels et une oeuvre à part entière. Elle repose sur la participation, ce que Agusto Boal appelle des specta_C_teurs.
>
> Afin d'en savoir plus sur le contenu de ce travail, je vous propose de lire le livret de présentation des VillesAllantVers à cette adresse :
> http://villesallantvers.org/spip.php?article106
> http://www.calameo.com/read/000045052b3b80f753900
>
> Vous pourrez voir les réalisations antérieures, le contenu de l'atelier et d'autres informations sur le site des VillesAllantVers :
> http://villesallantvers.org/
>
> Cette création a été réalisée par plus d'une centaine de personnes, à Madrid (Esp.), Bruxelles, Tarascon, Marseille et Béjaïa (Alg.) grâce au soutien de l'Agencia Espagnola de Cooperacion Internacional para el Desarrollo & Ministerio de Asuntos Exteriores y de Cooperacion. Cette année je réalise Les VillesAllantVers à Amsterdam et à Marseille.
> Je suis à la recherche de *résidences*, de *lieux d'accueil et de présentation* et de *collaborations*.
>
> En vous remerciant pour votre attention.
> Bien à vous,
> enjoy,
> Xavier Leton
>
> Pour
> http://villesallantvers.org/.
> Bien à vous,
> |_Xavier Leton
> |_47 rue de Lodi
> |_13006 Marseille
> |_++ 33 [+]4 91 42 52 57
> |_++ 33 [+]6 72 86 66 63
> -------------------------------|
> _::Présentation::
> Xavier LETON, réalisateur, multimédia pour des différents sites qu'il crée ou auxquels il collabore («confettiS.org», «larevuedesressources.org», «criticalsercret.com», «transitoire observable», «cipmarseille.com»). Il incite le lecteur à participer à la réalisation d'une oeuvre en tant qu'acteur à part entière, et critique du processus de création. Les créations réalisées en collaboration avec le réalisateur Chris Marker (Roseware), le chorégraphe Pierre Droulers (Mountain - Foutain) et le plasticien Michel François lui ont permis de faire de cette démarche le fil conducteur de son travail de création.
> ------------------------------|
> URL == http://->
> -> |_confettiS.org
> -> |_villeSAllantVers.org
> -> |_emigratrion.confettiS.org
> ------------------------------|
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Veroniki Korakidou <vkorakidou@yahoo.gr>
> To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@estia.media.uoa.gr>
> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 11:55:05 +0000 (GMT)
> Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Hybrid Space - Hybrid Cities discussion
>
>
> Dear Dimitris and Martin,
>
> First of all congrats for re-starting the topic.
>
> Many of these issues raised, canceptually fall into the category of Digital / Public Art.
>
> A good text to refer to is Christianne Paul's Digital / Public Art: Governance and Agency in the Networked Commons to be found on-line here:
>
> http://vectors.usc.edu/thoughtmesh/publish/81.php#
>
> You ask: "How do we (...) reframe ideas of privacy in public space to take account of (...) new pervasive technologies?
>
> (...) In experiencing this new public space how can the past and the present be brought together by the new technologies in ways that enrich our lives?"
>
> (...) We live in a world of lost histories-how can we reframe these successfully for the public? If pervasive media allows the enrichment of space, can we also enable the public to do this for themselves through processes which are not determined in a top-down but in a bottom-up manner? Now that such located rich media is emerging, how can this be filtered to ensure quality of experience for the user?"
>
> Paul refers in her text to Guatari's notion of "post-mass media age" where the mass media have to be reappropriated by a multiplicity of subject—groups who are able to administer them on a path of singularisation".
>
> (...) "What will happen when we have mobile non-verbal and two-way communication through enhanced or projected video conferencing!"
>
> I think a good start re-inventing art histories is "guerilla" public art, like the Surveillance Camera Players, who staged performances for surveiilance cameras in public buildings, only to mention an informant example :-)
>
> (...) "To affect emerging behaviours do we need to consider a more complex relationship between design and human behaviour? We are moving towards emotional sensing and predictive behaviour by buildings-an adaptive architecture sensing and reacting, but allowing the user to determine the core and auxiliary services, perhaps by learning through a neural net!"
>
>
> I thinks this last question turns back into the issue of "language"....
>
> Here's another quote from Paul's text maybe useful to this new discussion agenda:
>
> "Activist projects in the realm of digital art are frequently using strategies such as appropriation, remixing, and the cloning of Websites, or employ digital technologies as "tactical media" in order to reflect on the impact and control mechanisms of these technologies.
>
> A popular strategy is to turn the technology back on itself, as the Institute for Applied Autonomy does in its iSee project. iSee is a Web—based application that creates maps of the positions of closed—circuit television surveillance cameras in urban environments.The maps allow users to find routes through the city that avoid thesecameras and to choose "paths of least surveillance."
>
> Activist interventions occasionally take the form of hacktivism, a method of engagement that uses hacking — the breaking, reformatting and re—engineering of data and systems — as creative rather than merely destructive strategy. The spectrum of hacktivism encompasses projects that are harmless pranks and interventions that operate on the border of legality. (The Electronic Disturbance Theater, for example {...}"
>
> My best wishes for a fruitful -new discussion!
>
> Best regards,
>
> Veroniki
>
>
> --- Στις Τετ., 29/09/10, ο/η Dimitris Charitos <vedesign@otenet.gr> έγραψε:
>
>
> Από: Dimitris Charitos <vedesign@otenet.gr>
> Θέμα: [Yasmin_discussions] Hybrid Space - Hybrid Cities discussion
> Προς: yasmin_discussions@estia.media.uoa.gr
> Ημερομηνία: Τετάρτη, 29 Σεπτέμβριος 2010, 12:42
>
>
> Dear YASMINers,
>
> Although we announced the discussion a week ago, we did not manage to start
> very quickly but here is a first message that we hope will generate some
> response from all of you who may be interested.
>
> A bit more than a week ago, Martin Rieser and me recorded our discussion
> regarding the "Hybrid Space - Hybrid Cities" theme. Below we have attached
> an edited version of the content of our discussion which identified 6 main
> directions towards which this discussion could proceed. Big thanks to Martin
> for the transcription of this recording.
>
>
> ****************************************************************************
> *************
> Pervasive Media and Hybrid Cities/Hybrid spaces:
> Some Questions and Issues from a Conversation between Dimitris Charitos and
> Martin Rieser
> ****************************************************************************
> *************
>
> 1) Mobile communication in public space and emergent behaviours
> How is pervasive technology changing emergent public behaviour? Clearly the
> boundary between private and public space is altering, and the merging of
> the two has already been accelerated through mobile communication
> technologies and continues to do so more rapidly through the adoption of
> location– based and augmented mobile reality technologies. We note how
> performative public conversations sometimes appear. Phones in public are an
> intrusive technology and its appropriateness is often questionable. Some
> citizens' private space may intrude into others' public space in ways which
> the latter can rarely control. How therefore do we reframe ideas of privacy
> in public space to take account of these new pervasive technologies?
>
> 2) The impact of mobile communication and location-based technologies
> After 15 years of using mobile phones, we are still struggling to understand
> their full impact on everyday life. Is mobile media a REAL benefit or often
> just a noise or interference in our daily lives? One can cite the burden of
> the flexible or unscheduled meeting- our attitude to the city now, which we
> tend to re-imagine as an unwritten slate, so that we have a changed relation
> to synchronicity. Our trajectory through it and our sense of place in it
> seems to be altering from that of perceived fixed nodes to a more fluid
> experience- one constantly diverted by location-based hyperlinked
> information. Mapping technologies and push media accelerate this changing
> sense of place as no longer a fixed terrain, but an amorphous space of
> potential. Is psychogeography an appropriate model for this experience? Are
> we not really just part of a new public agora -where real political
> détournment is not really a consideration. In experiencing this new public
> space how can the past and the present be brought together by the new
> technologies in ways that enrich our lives?
>
> 3) Place and Space
> Can pervasive media successfully enrich place with meaning thus creating
> place out of space. Can this occur within those transferable spaces of
> alienation that Marc Auge' calls "non-places"? How can these non-places be
> transformed by locative media? Artists tend to experiment in memory-rich
> spaces, rather than those urban deserts. Accessibility is also an
> issue-since not everyone has the latest iphone, not to mention that they may
> not be able to afford high bandwidth mobile web access. We live in a world
> of lost histories-how can we reframe these successfully for the public? If
> pervasive media allows the enrichment of space, can we also enable the
> public to do this for themselves through processes which are not determined
> in a top-down but in a bottom-up manner? Now that such located rich media is
> emerging, how can this be filtered to ensure quality of experience for the
> user?
>
> 4) Hybridity
> In a hybrid spatial experience, material (space determined by material
> elements) and immaterial space (determined by digitally produced
> representations) are merging. There is no longer a clear line between them.
> We need to examine this phenomenon in relation to theories of the mind. Our
> ability to conceptualise the world and filter our sensory inputs makes
> "reality" a construction of the brain-there seems to be no such thing as
> direct perception. It seems likely that the brain does not differentiate
> between the real and virtual. For example, those blind from birth, who
> recover their sight, have not developed the neurones for facial
> recognition-our sense of reality therefore seems to depend on our developed
> internal wiring. A key question derived from various project
> user-evaluations is: do we actually process a mixed reality experience? It
> is very difficult to examine cognitive mapping in a mobile experience.
> Reports of research conducted in the context of the IPCity Project at the
> Fraunhofer Institute suggest that we may switch between the two modes of
> perception (Real and Virtual). Other reports suggest (Locunet project,
> University of Athens, Dept of Communication, NT Lab) that we do experience a
> mixed experience, a hybrid spatial experience while using mobile locative
> media. We need to observe the actual processing inside the brain, something
> not very easy with current technologies. But it is certain that the actual
> experience very much depends on the interface design too.
>
> 5) Future Technologies
> Mobile services are moving towards gesture recognition and natural language
> interfaces, as well as towards emotion sensing. How can we envisage the
> increasing invisibility of the device as this natural interaction develops
> into a form of "unforced" hybridity-which may include mobile projection?
> This may become a world where information streams start responding to our
> changing emotions. Such interwoven hybridity will in turn give rise to
> further new user behaviours. We already experience this with hands-free
> gestural performances on mobiles. What will happen when we have mobile
> non-verbal and two-way communication through enhanced or projected video
> conferencing!
>
> 6) Intelligent adaptive and transformative architecture
> Much research in Architecture at present focuses on technological
> developments, but not much thought seems to be given to underlying concepts
> for behaviour-changing spaces. Can the use of such technology in our homes
> and work-spaces actually change our behaviour? Perhaps we need hard, clear
> and accessible information streams before buildings can stimulate beneficial
> behaviour change. Smart homes can be helpful, but are largely passive in
> their effects. One friend's children, who are growing up in a smart home ,
> expect windows in other homes to open automatically according to light
> intensity or temperature etc. To affect emerging behaviours do we need to
> consider a more complex relationship between design and human behaviour? We
> are moving towards emotional sensing and predictive behaviour by
> buildings-an adaptive architecture sensing and reacting, but allowing the
> user to determine the core and auxiliary services, perhaps by learning
> through a neural net!
>
> We are looking for informed examples, which may engage with these issues.
>
> Of course, we are also looking forward to your responses which may add to
> these discussion directions that we suggested
>
> Best wishes
>
> Dimitris
>
> ********************************************************************
> Dr. Dimitrios Charitos
> Assistant Professor, Department of Communication and Media Studies
> National and Kapodistrian University of
> Athens
> e-mail: vedesign at otenet dot gr
> URL: www.media.uoa.gr/~charitos
>
>
>
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> From: "Katharine S. Willis" <willis@locatingmedia.uni-siegen.de>
> To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@estia.media.uoa.gr>
> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 12:06:01 +0200
> Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] of flashmobs, foursquare and facades.....
> Dear list members,
> In the discussion on hybrid spaces, an earlier post from Martin and Dimitiris (20 July) talked about 'The synchronous experience of a mobile spatial interface and of the non-mediated physical environment, a hybrid spatial experience, material (space determined by material elements) and immaterial space (determined by digitally produced representations) are merging'.
> This is a useful starting point and there is no doubt that the physical spaces we inhabit and move through are now mediated with technologies; they are hybrid spaces. Yet it seems to me that we are finding it difficult to move beyond the rhetoric and to really respond to the challenge of how to engage with these hybrid cities as designers and how to understand the new behaviours that are emerging in these layered spaces. Below I introduce some of my own thoughts and questions on this topic.
>
> of flashmobs, foursquare and facades....
>
> It puzzles me that when I look and move around I notice very few obvious changes in the physical nature of urban space (maybe I expect too much?). For sure I carry a device with me that augments the space. But the screen is still my interface; it rarely spills out into the city. In fact the city and the built space itself remains surprisingly neutral and passive. I may look at the city through a digital lens, but the physical world rarely responds to my passing or presence. When I try to grasp how space has been changed, it is summed up in these three areas:
>
> flash mobs.
> These highly choreographed performances in public space show how media and technology can inform new ways of behaving in public space that's moved way beyond rheingolds smartmobs. They come into being through a whole plethora of media platforms, twitter, facebook and sms and demonstrate a temporality that the physical space of the city cannot (will not?) respond to. It can only be a passive observer or stage. How can the static nature of out built environment and space start to respond to these forms of serendipity and micro-coordination of social behaviour? Can hybrid space start to perform, to come together and disperse when its use is over?
>
> foursquare.
> love it or hate it the use of foursquare represents a new practice of recognising and naming presence in space on technology's terms. Take a look at foursquare listings at any place and you will find as diverse a set of descriptions for places as you could imagine. It documents the sociality and mobility of places we are present in, where people pass through and encounter others; train stations, airports, sandwich bars, stores and nightclubs. These are places of shared experience, not addresses or locations, and our presence our physical environment is a presence in this hybrid space. So as locative media re-values the sociality of presence with strangers in urban public space how can the spaces start to allow for these passing encounters? Do we simply need a few more places to be 'slow' and to stop (without having to pay for a coffee), where we can be present in both digital space and the physical space without causing disruption due to our civil inattention. Is it as simple as more benches, more meeting points with wifi and a power supply?
>
> facades.
> As I move through transit spaces there is a growing number of screens showing digital images, sometimes they respond to my input. Whole facades are superimposed with images and sometimes projections or even screens. Do we need windows in public buildings any more? probably not. So how do we design for spaces that need not look out, but that offer other ways of both enclosing and making interfaces between one space and the next? Mirjam Struppek's work on highlighting the important issue of urban screens starts to reclaim the screens as a creative design problem. But on a broader level how do we connect our physical spaces with our digital spaces. How do we make a less diss-jointed hybridity, drawing together the physical requirements of the built space to connect outside and inside, and the media spaces which demand a different kind of accessibility; one which is only concerned with non-visual, unbroken links to the network?
>
> Although this is my personal perspective on some of the issues facing us in the design of hybrid spaces I also introduce them in the context of the 2010 Mediacity conference in Weimar, Germany (http://bit.ly/dvNeK0) which will take place at the end of October. This will also provide the opportunity to consider and discuss some of the challenges of the hybrid city in a co-located panel discussion, which I will be moderating.
> It would be great if list members were also able to contribute to this discussion in some way either by responding to some of the topics or above or by introducing their own questions and comments. I will do my best to include these in the debate.
>
>
> regards,
> Katharine
>
> www.trolleyinteractive.com
> http://www.uni-siegen.de/locatingmedia/personen/willis_katharine.html?lang=de
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Martin Rieser <martin.rieser@gmail.com>
> To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@estia.media.uoa.gr>
> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 12:43:41 +0100
> Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] of flashmobs, foursquare and facades.....
> Dear Yasminers
>
> Thank you both to Veroniki and Katherine for opening up the discussion, and
> providing some valuable observations. I suspect that while the
> transformation of city fabric and urban design approaches is already
> happening at a rapid pace in some advanced urban spaces, like lobsters in
> the pot- we cannot sense how radically all our cities are currently being
> altered through our changing behaviours- dictated by this new technology.
> Alhough the visible changes to fabric are not yet universal- they will soon
> follow our altering patterns of use. The technologies to deliver true and
> seamless hybridity are already invented, but are slow to develop in our city
> streets-I think this lag is a normal one and that when a technological use
> matures it appears ubiquitously with extreme rapidity.
>
> I think Flashmobs are an extreme case of what the new technologies imply-a
> performative role in public space for each individual-a role we see at one
> end of the spectrum with the posting of photos of a dead man's body by
> English school kids on Twitter-before the death was reported to the Police-
> and at the other by the ubiquitous mobile public conversation with distant
> friends, complete with gestures and facial expressions.
>
> I agree that Foursquare and Layar present space as a social and shared
> experience-I am more interested in how we can use this sense as a tool to
> creatively reinvent urban space as contiguous between past and present, and
> to show connectivities which are not so obvious-eg the origins of
> commodities in shops etc...
>
> Facades and projection will be the next big alteration to our urban
> experience-particularly the arrival of mobile projection. I think Michele
> Teran's Frutiskino work http://www.ubermatic.lftk.org/blog/?p=223 is a great
> exemplar of the privacy questions these technologies raise.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Martin
>
> On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Katharine S. Willis <
> willis@locatingmedia.uni-siegen.de> wrote:
>
>> Dear list members,
>> In the discussion on hybrid spaces, an earlier post from Martin and
>> Dimitiris (20 July) talked about 'The synchronous experience of a mobile
>> spatial interface and of the non-mediated physical environment, a hybrid
>> spatial experience, material (space determined by material elements) and
>> immaterial space (determined by digitally produced representations) are
>> merging'.
>> This is a useful starting point and there is no doubt that the physical
>> spaces we inhabit and move through are now mediated with technologies; they
>> are hybrid spaces. Yet it seems to me that we are finding it difficult to
>> move beyond the rhetoric and to really respond to the challenge of how to
>> engage with these hybrid cities as designers and how to understand the new
>> behaviours that are emerging in these layered spaces. Below I introduce some
>> of my own thoughts and questions on this topic.
>>
>> of flashmobs, foursquare and facades....
>>
>> It puzzles me that when I look and move around I notice very few obvious
>> changes in the physical nature of urban space (maybe I expect too much?).
>> For sure I carry a device with me that augments the space. But the screen is
>> still my interface; it rarely spills out into the city. In fact the city and
>> the built space itself remains surprisingly neutral and passive. I may look
>> at the city through a digital lens, but the physical world rarely responds
>> to my passing or presence. When I try to grasp how space has been changed,
>> it is summed up in these three areas:
>>
>> flash mobs.
>> These highly choreographed performances in public space show how media and
>> technology can inform new ways of behaving in public space that's moved way
>> beyond rheingolds smartmobs. They come into being through a whole plethora
>> of media platforms, twitter, facebook and sms and demonstrate a temporality
>> that the physical space of the city cannot (will not?) respond to. It can
>> only be a passive observer or stage. How can the static nature of out built
>> environment and space start to respond to these forms of serendipity and
>> micro-coordination of social behaviour? Can hybrid space start to perform,
>> to come together and disperse when its use is over?
>>
>> foursquare.
>> love it or hate it the use of foursquare represents a new practice of
>> recognising and naming presence in space on technology's terms. Take a look
>> at foursquare listings at any place and you will find as diverse a set of
>> descriptions for places as you could imagine. It documents the sociality and
>> mobility of places we are present in, where people pass through and
>> encounter others; train stations, airports, sandwich bars, stores and
>> nightclubs. These are places of shared experience, not addresses or
>> locations, and our presence our physical environment is a presence in this
>> hybrid space. So as locative media re-values the sociality of presence with
>> strangers in urban public space how can the spaces start to allow for these
>> passing encounters? Do we simply need a few more places to be 'slow' and to
>> stop (without having to pay for a coffee), where we can be present in both
>> digital space and the physical space without causing disruption due to our
>> civil inattention. Is it as simple as more benches, more meeting points with
>> wifi and a power supply?
>>
>> facades.
>> As I move through transit spaces there is a growing number of screens
>> showing digital images, sometimes they respond to my input. Whole facades
>> are superimposed with images and sometimes projections or even screens. Do
>> we need windows in public buildings any more? probably not. So how do we
>> design for spaces that need not look out, but that offer other ways of both
>> enclosing and making interfaces between one space and the next? Mirjam
>> Struppek's work on highlighting the important issue of urban screens starts
>> to reclaim the screens as a creative design problem. But on a broader level
>> how do we connect our physical spaces with our digital spaces. How do we
>> make a less diss-jointed hybridity, drawing together the physical
>> requirements of the built space to connect outside and inside, and the media
>> spaces which demand a different kind of accessibility; one which is only
>> concerned with non-visual, unbroken links to the network?
>>
>> Although this is my personal perspective on some of the issues facing us
>> in the design of hybrid spaces I also introduce them in the context of the
>> 2010 Mediacity conference in Weimar, Germany (http://bit.ly/dvNeK0) which
>> will take place at the end of October. This will also provide the
>> opportunity to consider and discuss some of the challenges of the hybrid
>> city in a co-located panel discussion, which I will be moderating.
>> It would be great if list members were also able to contribute to this
>> discussion in some way either by responding to some of the topics or above
>> or by introducing their own questions and comments. I will do my best to
>> include these in the debate.
>>
>>
>> regards,
>> Katharine
>>
>> www.trolleyinteractive.com
>>
>> http://www.uni-siegen.de/locatingmedia/personen/willis_katharine.html?lang=de
>>
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> From: molly Hankwitz <mollyhankwitz@gmail.com>
> To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@estia.media.uoa.gr>
> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 14:10:49 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] of flashmobs, foursquare and facades.....
> Katharine, (and to Martin and Dmitri -
> Hello. An interesting set of points to depart from on the notion of hybrid city.
> I am responding here to some of your questions - I edited your
> sections slighlty to avoid a huge, long post - and, retroactively to
> Martin and Dmitri, who's questions are so close to the subject matter
> of my dissertation as to give me pause...pls find some preliminary
> responses below...and thank you for the link to the Mediacity project.
> I look forward to following that up, at least on line. My problem,
> still, in terms of the whole list discussion and this is surely no
> one's fault - is simply isolating those areas where we "see" or "hear"
> hybridity. At the recent press preview for Biennial ZerOne in San
> Jose, curated by none other than the forward thinking, STeve Dietz, I
> was struck, actually by how his/the emphasis upon "interactive city"
> had changed from ISEA 2006 to the present, largely, I felt as a result
> of 'green' and 'wireless' incorporated in to the consciousness of
> artists - and his curatorial introdcution which started with the
> observation that artists today are not making objects/installations/
> or even performances now - but are creating "platforms" in which the
> public and other artists can create projects...(paraphrasing)
>
> On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 3:06 AM, Katharine S. Willis
> <willis@locatingmedia.uni-siegen.de> wrote:
>
>> In the discussion on hybrid spaces, an earlier post from Martin and
>> Dimitiris (20 July) talked about 'The synchronous experience of a mobile
>> spatial interface and of the non-mediated physical environment, a hybrid
>> spatial experience, material (space determined by material elements) and
>> immaterial space (determined by digitally produced representations) are
>> merging'.
>
> Yes, definitely in need of merging anyway. Can we isolate specific
> examples of where they actually have merged? Off handheld devices?
>
>>
>> of flashmobs, foursquare and facades....
>>
>> It puzzles me that when I look and move around I notice very few obvious
>> changes in the physical nature of urban space (maybe I expect too much?).
>
> Its kind of too early too tell. There seems to be a movement in urban
> design towards lacing outdoor furniture with wi fi, powerpoints, and
> interactivity, such that it can be modularly arranged and
> provisionally used. (Fletcher Studio/Urban LAB/CCA)
>
>> flash mobs.
>> How can the static nature of out built
>> environment and space start to respond to these forms of serendipity and
>> micro-coordination of social behaviour? Can hybrid space start to perform,
>> to come together and disperse when its use is over?
>
> Well, I have never personally found much hope or promise or revolution
> in flashmobs, except where protest culture is concerned and a flash
> mob comes together to take a place or situation by surprise - but, i
> would think that responsive public space, which enables social
> interaction would be preferable to "managed" social space where
> flashmobs could not happen. I feel it is important myself to break
> down the city into its parts: the street, the sidewalk, the piazza,
> the park, the commercial, the residential - i can only grasp a
> politics of public and private in this way. there are new public
> spaces opening even in privatized American cities - new cooperative
> temporary "markets" run by young people; skate parks, art making
> spaces on the sidewalk which are impromptu and which accomplish some
> of this hybrid experience with or without technology - could be
> technologicalized, as well, in the sense of being designed again, or
> utilized as "rough" ideas for design
>>
>> foursquare.
>> lSo as locative media re-values the sociality of presence with
>> strangers in urban public space how can the spaces start to allow for these
>> passing encounters?
>
> I am reminded of an early large scale work by Julia Scher at the
> Museum of Contemprorary Art in Ohio that Eisenmann designed. I worked
> for her for a brief moment in time when she was still showing at Pat
> Hearn in NYC, before going to MIT. At that time we schemed to attach
> video cameras to telephone poles along the Bowery and run the images
> through a hole in the wall of the Anthology Film Archives. Really the
> Wexner Center project, and subsequent work she did at the Whitney
> Biennial, probed some of these questions early on about making the
> apparatus of security and surveillance part of the celebration of
> public encounter.
> In the Wexner, she mounted custom designed video monitors to the
> ceilings and walls along circulation zones and dispersed cameras all
> over, inside and outside. Visitors were immediately brought into the
> building or saw the inside on the outside via the monitors, which also
> allowed her to the artistic license to put text with random pictures
> of the public. Inigo Manglano Ovalle did something similar with gang
> kids in Chicago - drawing attention to them and making them self
> conscious in their behavior. I think this would be great for streets
> in some instances - or malls.
> It is always rather thrilling in the bank when one sees oneself and
> others on the monitor. Tends to locate the body into the space. (I
> created drawings for the Wexner Center project. ) If we are conscious
> of changing or supporting social behavior, then the camera and the
> screen are important. Face Time in iPhones has some promise if it can
> become more ubiquitous.
>
> Do we simply need a few more places to be 'slow' and to
>> stop (without having to pay for a coffee), where we can be present in both
>> digital space and the physical space without causing disruption due to our
>> civil inattention. Is it as simple as more benches, more meeting points with
>> wifi and a power supply?
>
> Most public spaces are not equipped for recharging laptops or phones,
> surely a practical hybridization of public space with ncts. Slow to
> come in. Being suggested by some of the outdoor furniture that I
> mentioned above. Also think, however, that
> sensing technologies could be incorporated, esp around environmental
> and density issues. How much particulate pollution, Andrea Polli asked
> in her Biennal project, Particulate Waterfall, at San Jose? I'd like
> to know 'how many people?' in a space - or
> how much power is generated by solar? There have been some recent
> schools designed where architects (EHDD) have incorporated these
> technologies into the learning environment so that students can
> understand their building and the environment and how the two sync. I
> often want to know when I see a solar panel
> randomly attached to a city light fixture - what its actually doing in
> terms of kwh.
> To me these kinds of informational "plaques" are similar to knowing
> how many vets died and for which this monument is erected, or who gave
> money for the park bench...you know? Reading the impact of tech upon
> cities. Seeing the results of green energy in this way...would be one
> way we could get some feedback upon ourselves. It's not only about
> "seeing" its also about hearing, or decibels. When I was walking in
> San Jose, I stopped at a light and there were bird calls coming from
> tiny speakers mounted on a traffic crosswalk signal box. This was such
> a surprise and so pleasant, but then, I had to consult a book or app
> to see which art project it was...I would have liked to have the info
> right there - what native bird...you know? Learn about the ecology of
> my city...
>
>>
>> facades.
>> As I move through transit spaces there is a growing number of screens
>> showing digital images, sometimes they respond to my input. Whole facades
>> are superimposed with images and sometimes projections or even screens. Do
>> we need windows in public buildings any more? probably not. So how do we
>> design for spaces that need not look out, but that offer other ways of both
>> enclosing and making interfaces between one space and the next?
>
> Unless we need no windows, I'm wondering how in the era of operable
> windows that designers are now experiencing - operable as opposed to
> HVAC, how we justify windowless environments? But, yes, I think other
> forms of mediation to the enclosure might be very very interesting. We
> really need to consider though, even with low voltage communications
> wiring, how much power is technology utilizing - design needs not
> contribute to yet another era of waste...cities need to go more solar
> all the time...as for lack of windows - hmm, where? I like the
> question. Sorry if i digress.
>
>
> Mirjam
>> Struppek's work on highlighting the important issue of urban screens starts
>> to reclaim the screens as a creative design problem. But on a broader level
>> how do we connect our physical spaces with our digital spaces. How do we
>> make a less diss-jointed hybridity, drawing together the physical
>> requirements of the built space to connect outside and inside, and the media
>> spaces which demand a different kind of accessibility; one which is only
>> concerned with non-visual, unbroken links to the network?
>
> I'm sorry, I don't understand last part of this. I can understand the
> desire for fluiditiy in design but i don't get the last part.
>
> I think we will have the capacity for a more hybrid city and better
> connectivity for what ever we want when WiMax or other city wide wi fi
> projects are put into place. AT the moment, there are several
> platforms and no democracy when it comes to wi fi or instrument
> ownership. my concern is more that the streets do not become more
> privatized, but remain public. in san francisco where i live some
> trends in the city and city government portend a future of control of
> the streetscape such that one wonders at civic participation and if it
> is the right of citizens to determine any thing much about their
> urbanism...loss of CAstro street party, development of City STreets no
> car days in certain zones (lots of fun but very official), proposition
> on the ballot this November to outlaw lying or sitting on the sidewalk
> and citizens movment against this...increased policing all over the
> city..., street vendor movement against removal...."parklets" designed
> for bicyclists cropping up...these events suggest greater social
> control of the street and sidewalks, and what it means in a democracy
> which has long left it as the place of public activity. but, our city
> is getting larger by the year, and so we may be jumping scales at the
> moment to an increase in bureacracy. while i enjoy the bike revolution
> here, there are some very repressive phases to it.
>
> finally, in this discussion of the hybrid, we really need at this
> point a post colonial critique of the meaning of urban land; function
> of ethnicity in determining 'green' ideas and 'environmental' ideas.
> the 'green' movment is great in theory and in practice, but its highly
> class and race based, so as part of any emerging hybrid, really needs
> to be examined as an ideologically loaded urbanism.
>
> my two bits
> molly
>>
>>
>>
>> regards,
>> Katharine
>>
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> From: Tobias Rosenberger <tobiasrosenberger@hotmail.com>
> To: <yasmin_discussions@estia.media.uoa.gr>
> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 16:24:07 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] of flashmobs, foursquare and facades.....
>
>
>
> Dear Dimitris and Martin,
>
>
>
> thanks a lot for sharing your
> discussion recording. This is really a very interesting discussion
> topic, and I perceived your 6 points as very inspiring
> thoughts to reflect about our attitude / relation to the public and
> the private, and also about impact, dangers and possibilities of
> pervasive media…
>
> Also Veroniki: thank you for pointing
> to the text by Christiane Paul - i think it is a really good
> introduction into the artistic discussion about public space and new
> media.
>
>
>
>
> I find it is especially important - as
> you already mentioned in your summary, and as it is also stressed by
> Paul - to stress the notions of accessibility, transparency, control
> and a real common involvement as an opposite to a top-down production
> manner.
>
>
>
> Just some of my (unfinished) thoughts
> about that:
>
>
>
> If we talk about complex issues, I find
> it always a good idea to go back to the very basics:
>
>
>
> Wikipedia gives following definition
> for public space:
> „A public space is a social space
> such as a town square that is open and accessible to all, regardless
> of gender, race, ethnicity, age or socio-economic level. One of the
> earliest examples of public spaces are commons. For example, no fees
> or paid tickets are required for entry, nor are the entrants
> discriminated based on background. Non-government-owned malls are
> examples of 'private space' with the appearance of being 'public
> space'."
>
>
>
> After travelling recently quite often
> to Asia's mega-cities, I was thinking a lot about the blurring of the
> boundaries, the semi-public spaces…. In the big cities here a lot
> of companies and agencies are competing, that make "creative
> use" of pervasive media and the latest technology. The so called
> "brand-spaces" seem to appear everywhere. If space after
> Lefebvre must be thought as a product of social praxis, for me there
> are many questions rising up. Are the people which define space also
> the owners of space, is just one of them. I think, it might now be a
> good time to talk about politics again, especially if we look for
> concept / practices, that try to resist the realms of power.
>
>
>
>
> - My former university organizes an
> interesting symposium (unfortunately I will have to do some work in
> China during these days), that is also partly dealing with these
> questions (maybe some of the points mentioned in the abstracts can
> enrich our discussion too, maybe also the notion of
> Gemeinschaft/community, see Nancy or Ranciere for more about that...
> ):
> http://www.thinking-resistance.de/conceptDeng.htm
> http://www.thinking-resistance.de/conceptReng.htm
> -
>
>
>
> I think a further fruitful notion in
> the context of our discussion could be the notion of manipulation.
>
>
>
> A small anecdote:
> Last week I visited Shanghai Expo. The
> Absolute Top Object here is for most of the Chinese Visitors a
> special Expo-Passport. In each pavilion they can collect stamps, and
> the passport functions in that way like a map of an unknown
> territory, that has to be discovered part for part: This way You
> always get a track record of what you have already visited and what
> you still have to visit: There is this illusion of that you can get
> the "complete experience", without missing anything, as a
> surrogate of the idea, that you are in control of the whole.
> Literally, the passport gives you a legitimation (you have a
> citizenship with its rights and duties). Afterwards you own a
> document, and you have a piece of memory and also a proof.
>
> This concept of the passport is so
> successful (it is one of the main discussion topics for the people of
> Shanghai), that this morning i was reading in the local newspaper
> that other institutions like the Beijing Zoo will now also introduce
> passports to attract more visitors. I think we can find here some
> structural correspondences with pervasive media, that are leading me
> to two questions / remarks: First: You can achieve the most effective
> control, if there is an illusion of no control: If you create a
> dispositive, where participants / citizens have the illusion to be
> authors / explorers of reality, it is much easier to control the
> space and the people within. Following Foucault and Deleuze there is
> a lot of academic writing about that. I think there is one possible
> future of pervasive media in manipulating people to be convinced,
> that they are acting while in reality they are following predefined
> patterns. There is kind of a labyrinth we are moving within, but a
> labyrinth has still its constructor, who is in possession of the
> building plan. I think that is also still true for many attempts to
> create interactive artworks, that still have a specific goal behind
> their conception (even or especially if that goal is the interactive
> component). So second, the invisible monitoring and collecting of the
> data becomes more and more the main issue. I think this point is also
> not new and is highly discussed too, especially if we talk about
> social networks.
>
>
>
>
> A
> simple definition of Pervasive Media (from:
> http://www.pmstudio.co.uk/what-pervasive-media ):
> „For more than a decade, scientists
> have promised a world of devices and services that infuse the
> landscape of our daily lives with experiences that are designed to
> fit the needs of the situation. [...]
> Pervasive Media is basically any
> experience that uses sensors and/or mobile/wireless networks to bring
> you content (film, music, images, a game…) that's sensitive to
> your situation – which could be where you are, how you feel, or who
> you are with."
>
>
>
>
> The important word in this definition
> is certainly „situation": We could say that who defines the
> „situation", will achieve the main benefits out of the use of
> pervasive media. If we talk about hybrid spaces / hybrid cities in
> relation to pervasive media, there are mostly at least two layers of
> authorship in public space (in fact i think it is a little bit more
> complicated...As Martin pointed out in his last email, there is also
> the question in how far technology dictates our behaviour and how far
> control is possible at all... but let's say knowledge plays an
> important role):
>
> The first layer of the user / consumer
> aka architect on the first layer and the second layer of the
> architect / interpreter / collector. Even if the first layer seems to
> be main experience, i think this layer is not important at all. It is
> simply about creating attraction through elaborated narratives. So it
> is no wonder that currently there is a big interest in pervasive
> media. There is a lot of funding for research in this area, both
> academic and commercial, and certainly in the realms of military
> research. If we reflect about artistic strategies i experience the writings of McLuhan also as
> quite fruitful:
>
>
>
> "We ought to have a few words words about why space has never
> been studied. Why not mention the Greek discovery of visual space,
> the Roman discovery of enclosed space and then also their discovery
> of the straight road. Bosch, Munch, Joyce, hardware, software."
>
> "Man in the electronic age has no possible environment except
> the globe and no possible occupation except information-gathering. "
>
> "I believe that artists, in all media, respond soonest to the
> challenges of new pressures. I would like to suggest that they also
> show us ways of living with new technology without destroying earlier
> forms and achievements. The new media, too, are not toys; they should
> not be in the hands of Mother Goose and Peter Pan executives. They
> can be entrusted only to new artists."
>
>
>
> I now want to describe shortly two examples of my own work, dealing with
> these questions to some extent:
>
>
>
> The Grand Defender (2010) was based on
> the military chapters of Chinese philosopher Mozi.
>
> These rarely published fragments
> (chapters 14 + 15 of the book Mozi) are the records of instructions
> for a group of military experts belonging to the philosophical school
> of Mozi (ca. 5th to 4th centuries B.C.). These Mohist experts were
> employed by ruler of states in the Warring states period (5th to 3rd
> centuries B.C.) in China to protect and defend cities and towns from
> attack by neighbouring states. The chapters are concerned to a large
> extent with the administration and regulation of a city, and they are
> an early and very interesting document about how effective control of
> the public can be achieved through the construction of an elaborate
> system of rules about data-processing and storing, message-carrying,
> summarizing and decision-making (in fact there are some astonishing
> parallels to the use of pervasive media).
>
>
>
> http://vimeo.com/10469263
>
>
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/tobiasrosenberger80/THEGRANDDEFENDER
>
>
>
> http://www.tobiasrosenberger.de/Download/defender_emaf_meier.pdf
>
>
>
>
>
>
> In 2008 I did a video-installation,
> where I hacked a robotic surveillance camera in public space in
> Barcelona. Its custom parameters as pan, tilt, zoom, iris...
> (normally used to track people) were controlled in extra developed
> software with predefined autonomous sequences of motion.These
> sequences were created after a purely aesthetical consideration,
> following a musical score for 4 "breathing voices" (Music:
> Elad Shniderman) for an arrangement of 4 screens in a row. The
> surveillance camera was no longer functional, but became autonomous.
>
>
>
> http://vimeo.com/2507814
>
>
>
>
> Last but not least, i really think that
> Your discussion recording would be the perfect starting point for an
> artist collaboration platform in the manner of the E-mobilArt
> project... :-)
>
>
>
> I found it really very inspiring.
>
>
>
> All the best
>
>
>
> Tobias
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> From: martin.rieser@gmail.com
>> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 12:43:41 +0100
>> To: yasmin_discussions@estia.media.uoa.gr
>> Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] of flashmobs, foursquare and facades.....
>>
>> Dear Yasminers
>>
>> Thank you both to Veroniki and Katherine for opening up the discussion, and
>> providing some valuable observations. I suspect that while the
>> transformation of city fabric and urban design approaches is already
>> happening at a rapid pace in some advanced urban spaces, like lobsters in
>> the pot- we cannot sense how radically all our cities are currently being
>> altered through our changing behaviours- dictated by this new technology.
>> Alhough the visible changes to fabric are not yet universal- they will soon
>> follow our altering patterns of use. The technologies to deliver true and
>> seamless hybridity are already invented, but are slow to develop in our city
>> streets-I think this lag is a normal one and that when a technological use
>> matures it appears ubiquitously with extreme rapidity.
>>
>> I think Flashmobs are an extreme case of what the new technologies imply-a
>> performative role in public space for each individual-a role we see at one
>> end of the spectrum with the posting of photos of a dead man's body by
>> English school kids on Twitter-before the death was reported to the Police-
>> and at the other by the ubiquitous mobile public conversation with distant
>> friends, complete with gestures and facial expressions.
>>
>> I agree that Foursquare and Layar present space as a social and shared
>> experience-I am more interested in how we can use this sense as a tool to
>> creatively reinvent urban space as contiguous between past and present, and
>> to show connectivities which are not so obvious-eg the origins of
>> commodities in shops etc...
>>
>> Facades and projection will be the next big alteration to our urban
>> experience-particularly the arrival of mobile projection. I think Michele
>> Teran's Frutiskino work http://www.ubermatic.lftk.org/blog/?p=223 is a great
>> exemplar of the privacy questions these technologies raise.
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Martin
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Katharine S. Willis <
>> willis@locatingmedia.uni-siegen.de> wrote:
>>
>> > Dear list members,
>> > In the discussion on hybrid spaces, an earlier post from Martin and
>> > Dimitiris (20 July) talked about 'The synchronous experience of a mobile
>> > spatial interface and of the non-mediated physical environment, a hybrid
>> > spatial experience, material (space determined by material elements) and
>> > immaterial space (determined by digitally produced representations) are
>> > merging'.
>> > This is a useful starting point and there is no doubt that the physical
>> > spaces we inhabit and move through are now mediated with technologies; they
>> > are hybrid spaces. Yet it seems to me that we are finding it difficult to
>> > move beyond the rhetoric and to really respond to the challenge of how to
>> > engage with these hybrid cities as designers and how to understand the new
>> > behaviours that are emerging in these layered spaces. Below I introduce some
>> > of my own thoughts and questions on this topic.
>> >
>> > of flashmobs, foursquare and facades....
>> >
>> > It puzzles me that when I look and move around I notice very few obvious
>> > changes in the physical nature of urban space (maybe I expect too much?).
>> > For sure I carry a device with me that augments the space. But the screen is
>> > still my interface; it rarely spills out into the city. In fact the city and
>> > the built space itself remains surprisingly neutral and passive. I may look
>> > at the city through a digital lens, but the physical world rarely responds
>> > to my passing or presence. When I try to grasp how space has been changed,
>> > it is summed up in these three areas:
>> >
>> > flash mobs.
>> > These highly choreographed performances in public space show how media and
>> > technology can inform new ways of behaving in public space that's moved way
>> > beyond rheingolds smartmobs. They come into being through a whole plethora
>> > of media platforms, twitter, facebook and sms and demonstrate a temporality
>> > that the physical space of the city cannot (will not?) respond to. It can
>> > only be a passive observer or stage. How can the static nature of out built
>> > environment and space start to respond to these forms of serendipity and
>> > micro-coordination of social behaviour? Can hybrid space start to perform,
>> > to come together and disperse when its use is over?
>> >
>> > foursquare.
>> > love it or hate it the use of foursquare represents a new practice of
>> > recognising and naming presence in space on technology's terms. Take a look
>> > at foursquare listings at any place and you will find as diverse a set of
>> > descriptions for places as you could imagine. It documents the sociality and
>> > mobility of places we are present in, where people pass through and
>> > encounter others; train stations, airports, sandwich bars, stores and
>> > nightclubs. These are places of shared experience, not addresses or
>> > locations, and our presence our physical environment is a presence in this
>> > hybrid space. So as locative media re-values the sociality of presence with
>> > strangers in urban public space how can the spaces start to allow for these
>> > passing encounters? Do we simply need a few more places to be 'slow' and to
>> > stop (without having to pay for a coffee), where we can be present in both
>> > digital space and the physical space without causing disruption due to our
>> > civil inattention. Is it as simple as more benches, more meeting points with
>> > wifi and a power supply?
>> >
>> > facades.
>> > As I move through transit spaces there is a growing number of screens
>> > showing digital images, sometimes they respond to my input. Whole facades
>> > are superimposed with images and sometimes projections or even screens. Do
>> > we need windows in public buildings any more? probably not. So how do we
>> > design for spaces that need not look out, but that offer other ways of both
>> > enclosing and making interfaces between one space and the next? Mirjam
>> > Struppek's work on highlighting the important issue of urban screens starts
>> > to reclaim the screens as a creative design problem. But on a broader level
>> > how do we connect our physical spaces with our digital spaces. How do we
>> > make a less diss-jointed hybridity, drawing together the physical
>> > requirements of the built space to connect outside and inside, and the media
>> > spaces which demand a different kind of accessibility; one which is only
>> > concerned with non-visual, unbroken links to the network?
>> >
>> > Although this is my personal perspective on some of the issues facing us
>> > in the design of hybrid spaces I also introduce them in the context of the
>> > 2010 Mediacity conference in Weimar, Germany (http://bit.ly/dvNeK0) which
>> > will take place at the end of October. This will also provide the
>> > opportunity to consider and discuss some of the challenges of the hybrid
>> > city in a co-located panel discussion, which I will be moderating.
>> > It would be great if list members were also able to contribute to this
>> > discussion in some way either by responding to some of the topics or above
>> > or by introducing their own questions and comments. I will do my best to
>> > include these in the debate.
>> >
>> >
>> > regards,
>> > Katharine
>> >
>> > www.trolleyinteractive.com
>> >
>> > http://www.uni-siegen.de/locatingmedia/personen/willis_katharine.html?lang=de
>> >
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu>
> To: yasmin_announcements <yasmin_announcements@estia.media.uoa.gr>, YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <Yasmin_discussions@estia.media.uoa.gr>
> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 17:37:27 +0200
> Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] Monica Bello Bugallo joins as yasmin moderator
> Dear Yasminers
>
> We are pleased to inform you that Monica Bello Bugallo is joining
> as a YASMIN Moderator= we have a small dedicated group of
> moderators and correspondents who help keep YASMIN going
> ( no funding,volunteer and will-powered, but thanks very much to the
> university of athens for in kind support)
>
> Monica Bello Bugallo is a Spanish curator with a history of organising
> and co-curating events and exhibitions on art and science, such as
> Capsula, Res-qualia and others. She is currently the artistic director
> of the VIDA art and artificial life international awards, organized
> annually by Fundacion Telefonica. Previously she held the position of
> head of educational programs of LABoral Centro de Arte y Creación Industrial.
>
> Moderators also help put in place YASMIN discussions and help
> us find correspondents on art/science around the mediterranean
> region.
>
> I note that YASMIN is participating in the art-science-mediterranean
> meeting in Aix en Provence 9 November: http://www.imera.fr/index.php/en.html
>
> and we are hoping to
> stimulate future get togethers in other cities around the mediterranean
>
> Roger Malina,
> one of the YASMIN moderators
>
> Reminders:
>
> We hope that new members to YASMIN will send us a short
> email telling us who you are/where/what
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Dimitris Charitos" <vedesign@otenet.gr>
> To: <yasmin_discussions@estia.media.uoa.gr>
> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 00:01:31 +0300
> Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] Hybrid Space - Hybrid Cities discussion
> Dear YASMINers,
>
> Firstly, I would like to thank those who have so far contributed to the
> discussion for their very fruitful ideas and critical approach. I will
> respond below to some of the points made and also add a few more thoughts of
> mine on the discussion topic.
>
> Katharine suggests that "we are finding it difficult to move beyond
> the rhetoric and to really respond to the challenge of how to engage
> with these hybrid cities as designers and how to understand the new
> behaviours that are emerging in these layered spaces".
>
> I very much agree. Indeed, we have not yet seen many systematic studies
> and/or models of designing such hybrid spaces for supporting the hybrid
> spatial experiences of those who will act within them and inhabit them.
> Some very relevant references on the subject are:
> . Adriana de Souza Silva's earlier work as well as her new book: Souza
> e Silva, Α. & Sutko, D., (eds.), «Digital Cityscapes: Merging Digital and
> Urban Playspaces (Digital Formations)», Peter Lang Pub Inc,
> . Yianna Vogiazou's "Citi Tag" project (Knowledge Media Institute, The
> Open University, UK) and her "Designing for Emergence" book
> . "Shared Encounters" (edited by Willis, K.S., Roussos, G. Struppek,
> M., Chorianopoulos, K., Computer Supported Collaborative Work series,
> Springer-Verlag)
> These publications attempt to tackle the issue of designing hybrid spaces
> and experiences and I am looking forward to reading Richard Coyne's new book
> which I hope will shed some more light onto this issue too.
>
> Katharine also suggests that "...For sure I carry a device with me
> that augments the space. But the screen is still my interface; it
> rarely spills out into the city."
> But when we are using a location - based system/application, is the
> interface limited just within the context of the screen? When we are
> interacting we may move around in physical space in order to trigger events
> or read/write information onto space. In this sense, physical space is a
> part of the context within which we interact and which is supporting
> navigation and interacting with geo-located information. So in my mind it
> may also be considered as an aspect of the interface that we experience. As
> J.L Gassee's suggests: the interface is "the cognitive locus of interaction"
> (if I remember his words correctly).
>
> Indeed, I agree with Katharine that we are yet a bit far from a situation
> where a significant part of the built elements that comprise our physical
> environment may be movable and may respond to our actions. This is of course
> feasible but yet very complicated and expensive, but it is a matter of time
> until these systems become more affordable and are implemented within our
> everyday environments. And as Martin suggests, the lag in having these
> changes being implemented in the urban everyday context is normal. But when
> these technologies will become widely available and we will be accustomed to
> their use, it will be in a ubiquitous manner and Martin suggests (like
> lobsters in the pot.....) and this is exactly why we need a more critical
> approach to the matter and a more through understanding of the impact of the
> use of these socio-technical systems before they become a part of our
> everyday reality. This is where Tobias', Molly's and Katharine's thoughts
> are very useful into shedding some light onto the social and political
> impact of hybridizing the urban environment. (Tobias very rightly suggests
> that "You can achieve the most effective control, if there is an illusion of
> no control: If you create a dispositive, where participants / citizens have
> the illusion to be authors / explorers of reality, it is much easier to
> control the space and the people within.")
>
> Recently I have been a member of the evaluation committee for the PhD of
> Socrates Yannoudes the subject of which is very interesting and very
> relevant to this issue. Socrates, if you follow the discussion I would urge
> you to post your view on the subject.
>
>> In the discussion on hybrid spaces, an earlier post from Martin and
>> Dimitiris (20 July) talked about 'The synchronous experience of a
>> mobile spatial interface and of the non-mediated physical environment,
>> a hybrid spatial experience, material (space determined by material
>> elements) and immaterial space (determined by digitally produced
>> representations) are merging'.
>
> Molly askes here if "we can we isolate specific examples of where they
> actually have merged? Off handheld devices?"
>
> I believe that augmented reality systems are close to what this merging will
> be. The exact mapping of digitally produced and updated content onto
> physical space in a manner that the user can intuitively experience is
> closer to a "merging" of spatial elements which determine the spatial
> experience than a location-based system where the user needs some cognitive
> effort to mentally join the spatial representations in a "hybrid" spatial
> experience. Even in the last case though, some experiments we have conducted
> (at the NT Lab of our department) have shown that users do experience a
> "hybrid" sense of space.
>
> Some very interesting examples presented by Martin, Molly and Tobias have
> been very useful at illustrating the points made, thanks very much for
> these. These examples illustrate very well the need for a less disjointed
> hybridity, connecting the inside with the outside, the tangible object
> (bench) with the ethereal, immaterial network (wi-fi connection) etc. This
> reminds me of a very relevant point made by Dimitris Papalexopoulos in a
> message he send in this discussion (30th of July) where he stresses the
> significance of BRIDGES being made between the physical and the digital:
> "BRIDGES between the physical and the digital are discrete elements
> disposing of certain autonomy in their conception and internal structure".
> These bridges are indeed a very important element of designing hybrid
> spatial experiences. More soon.....
>
> Best wishes
>
> Dimitris
>
>
> ********************************************************************
> Dr. Dimitrios Charitos
> Assistant Professor, Department of Communication and Media Studies
> National and Kapodistrian University of
> Athens
> e-mail: vedesign at otenet dot gr
> URL: www.media.uoa.gr/~charitos
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Pau Waelder Laso <mail@pauwaelder.com>
> To: Yasmin_discussions@estia.media.uoa.gr
> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 11:31:21 +0200
> Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] Presentation
> Dear all,
>
> I have been reading this list for a while but I still haven't introduced myself.
>
> I am an independent curator and art critic with a particular interest in the field of art and science. I live and work in Mallorca, Spain. I have curated several exhibitions and lectures about digital art and culture at the Joan Miró Foundation in Palma and I co-curate a contemporary art space in Palma.
>
> I am the editor of the Media Art section at art.es magazine (http://www.art-es.es), and I also write for ETC magazine (http://www.etcmontreal.com/) and the blog on Art, Culture and Innovation by LABoral Centro de Arte y Creación Industrial and UOC, the Open University of Catalonia (http://laboralcentrodearte.uoc.edu). I am also a consulting lecturer at UOC in several courses on digital culture.
>
> I hope I can contribute to the discussions on this list, and maybe bring a future get together to Mallorca.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Pau
>
> Pau Waelder Laso
> Email: pau@pauwaelder.com
> Site: http://www.pauwaelder.com
> skype: pauwaelder
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Martin Rieser <martin.rieser@gmail.com>
> To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@estia.media.uoa.gr>
> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:45:17 +0100
> Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Hybrid Space - Hybrid Cities discussion
> Dear YASMINERS
>
> I would like to pick up Dimitris's last point and mention emergent
> technologies which so far have not really entered the discussion-namely "The
> internet of Things" combined with the Semantic web. I believe that these
> technologies using passive RFID and intelligent tagging will eventually
> create the bridges between physical and virtual, making urban hybrid
> environments a de facto everyday experience. Much of the blue sky research
> in mobile interaction is into emotional gestural and natural language
> interfaces-seamless interaction will come sooner than we think. The issues
> then will be around personal freedom, cognitive overload, trust and data
> access- not to mention the type and quality of content.
>
> Martin
>
> 2010/10/14 Dimitris Charitos <vedesign@otenet.gr>
>
>> Dear YASMINers,
>>
>> Firstly, I would like to thank those who have so far contributed to the
>> discussion for their very fruitful ideas and critical approach. I will
>> respond below to some of the points made and also add a few more thoughts
>> of
>> mine on the discussion topic.
>>
>> Katharine suggests that "we are finding it difficult to move beyond
>> the rhetoric and to really respond to the challenge of how to engage
>> with these hybrid cities as designers and how to understand the new
>> behaviours that are emerging in these layered spaces".
>>
>> I very much agree. Indeed, we have not yet seen many systematic studies
>> and/or models of designing such hybrid spaces for supporting the hybrid
>> spatial experiences of those who will act within them and inhabit them.
>> Some very relevant references on the subject are:
>> . Adriana de Souza Silva's earlier work as well as her new book:
>> Souza
>> e Silva, Α. & Sutko, D., (eds.), «Digital Cityscapes: Merging Digital and
>> Urban Playspaces (Digital Formations)», Peter Lang Pub Inc,
>> . Yianna Vogiazou's "Citi Tag" project (Knowledge Media Institute,
>> The
>> Open University, UK) and her "Designing for Emergence" book
>> . "Shared Encounters" (edited by Willis, K.S., Roussos, G. Struppek,
>> M., Chorianopoulos, K., Computer Supported Collaborative Work series,
>> Springer-Verlag)
>> These publications attempt to tackle the issue of designing hybrid spaces
>> and experiences and I am looking forward to reading Richard Coyne's new
>> book
>> which I hope will shed some more light onto this issue too.
>>
>> Katharine also suggests that "...For sure I carry a device with me
>> that augments the space. But the screen is still my interface; it
>> rarely spills out into the city."
>> But when we are using a location - based system/application, is the
>> interface limited just within the context of the screen? When we are
>> interacting we may move around in physical space in order to trigger events
>> or read/write information onto space. In this sense, physical space is a
>> part of the context within which we interact and which is supporting
>> navigation and interacting with geo-located information. So in my mind it
>> may also be considered as an aspect of the interface that we experience. As
>> J.L Gassee's suggests: the interface is "the cognitive locus of
>> interaction"
>> (if I remember his words correctly).
>>
>> Indeed, I agree with Katharine that we are yet a bit far from a situation
>> where a significant part of the built elements that comprise our physical
>> environment may be movable and may respond to our actions. This is of
>> course
>> feasible but yet very complicated and expensive, but it is a matter of time
>> until these systems become more affordable and are implemented within our
>> everyday environments. And as Martin suggests, the lag in having these
>> changes being implemented in the urban everyday context is normal. But when
>> these technologies will become widely available and we will be accustomed
>> to
>> their use, it will be in a ubiquitous manner and Martin suggests (like
>> lobsters in the pot.....) and this is exactly why we need a more critical
>> approach to the matter and a more through understanding of the impact of
>> the
>> use of these socio-technical systems before they become a part of our
>> everyday reality. This is where Tobias', Molly's and Katharine's thoughts
>> are very useful into shedding some light onto the social and political
>> impact of hybridizing the urban environment. (Tobias very rightly suggests
>> that "You can achieve the most effective control, if there is an illusion
>> of
>> no control: If you create a dispositive, where participants / citizens have
>> the illusion to be authors / explorers of reality, it is much easier to
>> control the space and the people within.")
>>
>> Recently I have been a member of the evaluation committee for the PhD of
>> Socrates Yannoudes the subject of which is very interesting and very
>> relevant to this issue. Socrates, if you follow the discussion I would urge
>> you to post your view on the subject.
>>
>> > In the discussion on hybrid spaces, an earlier post from Martin and
>> > Dimitiris (20 July) talked about 'The synchronous experience of a
>> > mobile spatial interface and of the non-mediated physical environment,
>> > a hybrid spatial experience, material (space determined by material
>> > elements) and immaterial space (determined by digitally produced
>> > representations) are merging'.
>>
>> Molly askes here if "we can we isolate specific examples of where they
>> actually have merged? Off handheld devices?"
>>
>> I believe that augmented reality systems are close to what this merging
>> will
>> be. The exact mapping of digitally produced and updated content onto
>> physical space in a manner that the user can intuitively experience is
>> closer to a "merging" of spatial elements which determine the spatial
>> experience than a location-based system where the user needs some cognitive
>> effort to mentally join the spatial representations in a "hybrid" spatial
>> experience. Even in the last case though, some experiments we have
>> conducted
>> (at the NT Lab of our department) have shown that users do experience a
>> "hybrid" sense of space.
>>
>> Some very interesting examples presented by Martin, Molly and Tobias have
>> been very useful at illustrating the points made, thanks very much for
>> these. These examples illustrate very well the need for a less disjointed
>> hybridity, connecting the inside with the outside, the tangible object
>> (bench) with the ethereal, immaterial network (wi-fi connection) etc. This
>> reminds me of a very relevant point made by Dimitris Papalexopoulos in a
>> message he send in this discussion (30th of July) where he stresses the
>> significance of BRIDGES being made between the physical and the digital:
>> "BRIDGES between the physical and the digital are discrete elements
>> disposing of certain autonomy in their conception and internal structure".
>> These bridges are indeed a very important element of designing hybrid
>> spatial experiences. More soon.....
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Dimitris
>>
>>
>> ********************************************************************
>> Dr. Dimitrios Charitos
>> Assistant Professor, Department of Communication and Media Studies
>> National and Kapodistrian University of
>> Athens
>> e-mail: vedesign at otenet dot gr
>> URL: www.media.uoa.gr/~charitos <http://www.media.uoa.gr/%7Echaritos>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> --
> Martin Rieser
>
> Professor of Digital Creativity
> De Montfort University
> IOCT/Art and Design
> The Gateway, Leicester LE1 9BH
> 44 +116 250 6146
>
>
> http://www.ioct.dmu.ac.uk
> http://www.mobileaudience.blogspot.com
> http://www.martinrieser.com
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