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Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 09:29:17 +0100
From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
To: Dimitris Charitos <vedesign@otenet.gr>
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Hello Dimitris and everyone!
it's really nice to see this in the inbox :)
> - What would we like to see YASMIN evolving into in the post-pandemic
> era ?
>
> you know Dimitris, I really enjoy staying up to date in what all of you
are doing and, as a matter of fact, this kind of curated, selectes,
communal kind of selection that can take place in this kind of mailing list
helps a lot to grasp signal from noise. From this point of view, I wish
there was more of this storytelling. What are you all doing? Don't keep it
to yourselves in these times of isolation and of communicational fatigue. I
have always had good ideas come up from our interactions.
And, on top of that, I think that in these times one other thing that could
really spice things up in meaningful ways would be the idea of
collaboration.
If, on the one hand, I love to hear what you're doing, I would love even
more doing something together.
So why not have collaborations from the beginning of the process? Project
ideas, partner search, collaborative project writing etc
Let's do a European project together! Let's find some grants together and
tackle one or more of the topics we are talking about.
I've done it already with a couple of you all and it's been wonderful. I
guess that doing it as an explicitly out in the public, would bring people
further together and give even more the sense of a Mediterranean way to
arts+science+technology
to help this not get out of hand, maybe for both these things we could have
"formats" or something like it: a "what are you up to" format, a "project
idea" format, a "partner search" format etc
or, we may find out that the "format" thing is too cumbersome, and we just
need the intention and purpose, and that communal informality fits more the
mediterranean. I don't know, and I can't say it alone.
But i wanted to bring these two things out, as I feel that they could help
shape a shared effort and bring us closer together (and also augment
Yasmin's impact)
cheers and hugs!
Salvatore
--
*Art is Open Source *- http://www.artisopensource.net
*Human Ecosystems Relazioni* - https://www.he-r.it/
*Ubiquitous Commons *- http://www.ubiquitouscommons.org
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Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 11:05:17 -0600
From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
To: roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu>
Cc: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>,
"yasmin_announcements@ntlab.gr" <yasmin_announcements@ntlab.gr>
Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] let yasmin die ?
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Dear Roger and All,
Since the idea of letting yasmin die was in no way intended, please allow me to rephrase/simplify the essence of my suggestion:
1. Radical care may be an important component of in any/all forms of phoenix (social, technological, economic, political, scientific, etc).
2. A desire to radically care can stem from a visceral understanding of interdependence.
3. Radical care is not (nor can or should it be) a tenet of the scientific method?which, by its very nature, requires an objective, detached stance.
4. Could science-minded creative practitioners assist in crafting a new, more radically caring ?ecological imaginary??
Abstract from my recent thesis <https://digitalcommons.risd.edu/masterstheses/415/> (which I would be grateful for the opportunity to discuss with anyone interested, off list if preferred):
The contradictions inherent in European Enlightenment-based ?logics? that externalize humans from ?nature? were a concern for the Romantic Naturalists, Dadaists, and Surrealists. More recently, some in the environmental humanities and socio-ecologically-concerned arts and sciences have also posed challenges to anthropocentric, hierarchical, positivist modes of thought. I suggest that by engaging the ludic, imaginative, and collaborative while bearing the empirical in mind, dualisms (such as objective and subjective, individual and collective) dissipate, and existence as a dialectical state of intricate ensemble can be revealed. In light of catastrophic disruption to Earth?s life-sustaining processes by exploitative forms of human activity, I argue an ?ecological imaginary? is urgently needed, and everyone is capable of contributing to its prefiguring.
Once again, in solidarity,
Alyce
alycesantoro.com <https://www.alycesantoro.com/>
> On Feb 1, 2021, at 1:06 PM, roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>
> yasminers
>
> Alyce Santoro pushes us to think differently with her reply to our
> discussions on whether YASMIN should re-arise ;like a phoenix after
> the pandemic. I think her reply is : MAYBE NOT- read on
>
> alyce says: knowledge production reinforces an impression that humans
> are autonomous entities/outside observers, separate from one another
> and the biosphere?
> and goes on to explain that humans are in-separable from viruses as
> the pandemic is now teaching us again.
>
> my comment: scientists realised only recently that the ideas we have,
> are as independent of the shape of our body as the shape of our
> clothes are ( einstein) so we now need to quote Alyce Santoro are the
> ideas we have independent of the nature of our viruses ?
>
> so how do we cross connect yasmin, with the biosphere and the world of
> the viruses we need to learn how to love (the good ones, not the bad
> ones)
>
>
> Roger Malina
>
> Alyce you say:
> knowledge production reinforce an impression that humans are
> autonomous entities/outside observers, separate from one another and
> the biosphere? Rather, might a fundamental sense of situatedness
> within, instead of outside of or above, an externalized conception of
> ?nature? lead to more constructive, egalitarian,
> humanist/post-humanist, solutions?and might creative practitioners
> ?excavating Could it be that empirical, hierarchical, dualistic forms
> of in the terrains of science? contribute to revealing ?that where
> scientists [alone] could not"? The virus has powerfully demonstrated
> the ways in which humanity is interwoven with and inseparable from the
> vast milieu of planetary systems and forces
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 12:35 PM Alyce Santoro <alyce@alycesantoro.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> I would like to elaborate on the point Stephen raises below: "Art excavating in the terrains of science, can reveal that where the scientists could not?. In a post to the group last April, I asked whether the objective stance we are obliged to take as good scientists may lead to an unintended consequence: knowledge production reinforce an impression that humans are autonomous entities/outside observers, separate from one another and the biosphere? Rather, might a fundamental sense of situatedness within, instead of outside of or above, an externalized conception of ?nature? lead to more constructive, egalitarian, humanist/post-humanist, solutions?and might creative practitioners ?excavating Could it be that empirical, hierarchical, dualistic forms of in the terrains of science? contribute to revealing ?that where scientists [alone] could not"? The virus has powerfully demonstrated the ways in which humanity is interwoven with and inseparable from the vast milieu of planetary systems and forces?at the same time it has emphasized the need for sound science and clear science communication.
>>
>> I ask: Can dualism be applied when due, while undue dualism is undone?
>>
>> I would also like to express appreciation for Roger?s mention of Gary Hall?s pirate philosophy and Guillermo Munoz? Piratas de la Ciencia. Here in the US, Science for the People is doing excellent work to challenge "militarization of scientific research, the corporate control of research agendas, the political implications of sociobiology and other scientific theories, the environmental consequences of energy policy, inequalities in health care, and many other issues.?
>>
>> Along the lines of pirate philosophy and the concept of mutual aid, I would like to add a recommendation to the work of social ecologist/communitarian anarchist philosopher John P. Clark. The Impossible Community, Realizing Communitarian Anarchy and Anarchy, Geography, Modernity: Selected Writings of Elis?e Reclus.
>>
>> In solidarity,
>> Alyce Santoro
>> alycesantoro.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 31, 2021, at 7:52 PM, YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Yasmin Phoenicians!
>>
>> Among stubborn socio-political/cultural bulwarks in need of being pirated by a certain 21st century progressive onset of activism, the dualist notion of a co-existing natural/supernatural reality to all things looms large. I think huge, actually -- elephant-in-the-room gigantic. Disinformation and alternative truths were not invented by Donald Trump -- they form the mass social-cultural backbone for all of human history -- i.e., an entirely anti-science notion that beneath its physical facade, the Universe is governed by supernatural forces. Not to mention the Earth itself, and in the face of today's advanced science, the muck of a deeply rooted and institutionalized, powerful and enormously wealthy supernatural belief complex among the planet's human animals, coupled with an inability of human scientists themselves to exploit and communicate the liberating non-supernatural spirituality and ontological meaning inherent in their simple search for a truth of things, is like a termite infestation in the woodwork structures of progressive desire for change.
>>
>> I don't mean religions per se, there are many humanitarian ones or even a God notion whatever that means. It all begins with the stubborn fictional meme from our ancient past of "supernatural," derailing the momentum toward critical paths to our future at the 21st century. The notion of spirit, that being a profoundly emotional connection to existence, needs to be pirated from the falsely omniscious supernatural-based institutions that wield it, robbed from those pretenders and given back to the "natural" (i.e. science) in which it is properly nested, imbued with the rich biological sensations of meaning that evolution has gifted us as a reward for uncovering truth. Art excavating in the terrains of science, can reveal that where the scientists could not.
>>
>> Stephen Nowlin
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 12:19 PM
>> To: yasmin_announcements@ntlab.gr; yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr
>> Subject: yasmin phoenix, pirates, phoenicians and etruscans and and emerging digi-indigenous ingenious natives
>>
>> Yasminers
>> and in particular Dalila Honorato, Stephen Nowlin and Luca Forcucci
>> and Gullermo Munoz
>>
>> Dalila triggered the metaphor of YASMIN PHOENIX for the work we are
>> starting to have a new different YASMIN rise from the ashes of the
>> pandemic- let me add that we should think as yasminers as pirates
>>
>> Immediately it triggered my memory of reading Gary Hall's Pirate
>> Philosophy https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/pirate-philosophy__;!!Fh--17vRJmFW!h87pOpvBVOSMBCJEoYBf9xn0QDi5wgjBhCBipq_3iQpbigN8Ir1emxYySevwLtWHNujTwyof$ and his
>> unpacking the very useful innovation role that pirates played in the
>> Mediterranean- i have copied this email to him in case he has an
>> update on how pirate philosophy might be relevant in the post pandemic
>> digi-indigenous culture that the digi-natives are inventing as we read
>> the new rituals, customs and behaviours for the post pandemic world
>> and its increasing virtual reality- and we digital elders stand back
>> and notice but don't meddle- ok digi-natives take over YASMIN PHOENI
>>
>> secondly YASMIN moderator Guillermo Munoz co founded the group in
>> spain called "pirates of science'
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.piratasdelaciencia.com/blog/quienes-somos/__;!!Fh--17vRJmFW!h87pOpvBVOSMBCJEoYBf9xn0QDi5wgjBhCBipq_3iQpbigN8Ir1emxYySevwLtWHNrQ2xq-4$ so maybe the
>> pirate metaphor could be helpful as we work on the helping the YASMIN
>> PHOENIX arise from the ashes with the help of the YASMIN pirates and
>> phoenicians-- i have copied Guillermo also in case he has some
>> thoughts too
>>
>> luca forcucci also suggested: I am all in for the flight, and let's
>> not forget the Etruscans !
>> all the best Luca
>>
>> and stephen nowlin: Roger -- as our nearest star rises seemingly anew
>> over a political return to some sanity here in the U.S., your news
>> feels timely and welcomed. Happy to climb aboard the flight of the
>> YASMIN Phenix!
>>
>>
>> and
>>
>> Roger Malina
>> more on gary hall below:
>> Gary Hall is a critical theorist and media philosopher working in the
>> areas of digital culture, politics and technology. He is Professor of
>> Media at Coventry University, UK, where he directs the Centre for
>> Postdigital Cultures which brings together media theorists,
>> practitioners, activists and artists.
>>
>> He is the author of a number of books, including The Inhumanist
>> Manifesto (Techne Lab, 2017), Pirate Philosophy (MIT Press, 2016) and
>> The Uberfication of the University (Minnesota UP, 2016).
>>
>> How philosophers and theorists can find new models for the creation,
>> publication, and dissemination of knowledge, challenging the received
>> ideas of originality, authorship, and the book.
>>
>> In Pirate Philosophy, Gary Hall considers whether the fight against
>> the neoliberal corporatization of higher education in fact requires
>> scholars to transform their own lives and labor. Is there a way for
>> philosophers and theorists to act not just for or with the
>> antiausterity and student protestors??graduates without a future??but
>> in terms of their political struggles? Drawing on such phenomena as
>> peer-to-peer file sharing and anticopyright/pro-piracy movements, Hall
>> explores how those in academia can move beyond finding new ways of
>> thinking about the world to find instead new ways of being theorists
>> and philosophers in the world.
>>
>> Hall describes the politics of online sharing, the battles against the
>> current intellectual property regime, and the actions of Anonymous,
>> LulzSec, Aaron Swartz, and others, and he explains Creative Commons
>> and the open access, open source, and free software movements. But in
>> the heart of the book he considers how, when it comes to scholarly
>> ways of creating, performing, and sharing knowledge, philosophers and
>> theorists can challenge not just the neoliberal model of the
>> entrepreneurial academic but also the traditional humanist model with
>> its received ideas of proprietorial authorship, the book, originality,
>> fixity, and the finished object. In other words, can scholars and
>> students today become something like pirate philosophers?
>>
>> and the phoenicians:
>> The Phoenicians came to prominence following the collapse (c. 1150 BC)
>> of most major cultures during the Late Bronze Age. They were renowned
>> in antiquity as adept merchants, expert seafarers, and intrepid
>> explorers.[citation needed] They developed an expansive maritime trade
>> network that lasted over a millennium, becoming the dominant
>> commercial power for much of classical antiquity. Phoenician trade
>> also helped facilitate the exchange of cultures, ideas, and knowledge
>> between major cradles of civilization such as Greece, Egypt, and
>> Mesopotamia. After its zenith in the ninth century BC, the Phoenician
>> civilization in the eastern Mediterranean slowly declined in the face
>> of foreign influence and conquest, though its presence would remain in
>> the central and western Mediterranean until the second century BC.
>>
>>
>> PS words matter: nina czegledy thinks the term 'digi-indigenous' is an
>> inappropriate appropriation of the values of indigenous cultures
>>
>> Roger in Dallas, please phone/txt/ +15108532007 if urgent
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2021 13:06:05 -0600
From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
To: Alyce Santoro <alyce@alycesantoro.com>
Cc: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr, "yasmin_announcements@ntlab.gr"
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yasminers
Alyce Santoro pushes us to think differently with her reply to our
discussions on whether YASMIN should re-arise ;like a phoenix after
the pandemic. I think her reply is : MAYBE NOT- read on
alyce says: knowledge production reinforces an impression that humans
are autonomous entities/outside observers, separate from one another
and the biosphere?
and goes on to explain that humans are in-separable from viruses as
the pandemic is now teaching us again.
my comment: scientists realised only recently that the ideas we have,
are as independent of the shape of our body as the shape of our
clothes are ( einstein) so we now need to quote Alyce Santoro are the
ideas we have independent of the nature of our viruses ?
so how do we cross connect yasmin, with the biosphere and the world of
the viruses we need to learn how to love (the good ones, not the bad
ones)
Roger Malina
Alyce you say:
knowledge production reinforce an impression that humans are
autonomous entities/outside observers, separate from one another and
the biosphere? Rather, might a fundamental sense of situatedness
within, instead of outside of or above, an externalized conception of
?nature? lead to more constructive, egalitarian,
humanist/post-humanist, solutions?and might creative practitioners
?excavating Could it be that empirical, hierarchical, dualistic forms
of in the terrains of science? contribute to revealing ?that where
scientists [alone] could not"? The virus has powerfully demonstrated
the ways in which humanity is interwoven with and inseparable from the
vast milieu of planetary systems and forces
On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 12:35 PM Alyce Santoro <alyce@alycesantoro.com> wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
> I would like to elaborate on the point Stephen raises below: "Art excavating in the terrains of science, can reveal that where the scientists could not?. In a post to the group last April, I asked whether the objective stance we are obliged to take as good scientists may lead to an unintended consequence: knowledge production reinforce an impression that humans are autonomous entities/outside observers, separate from one another and the biosphere? Rather, might a fundamental sense of situatedness within, instead of outside of or above, an externalized conception of ?nature? lead to more constructive, egalitarian, humanist/post-humanist, solutions?and might creative practitioners ?excavating Could it be that empirical, hierarchical, dualistic forms of in the terrains of science? contribute to revealing ?that where scientists [alone] could not"? The virus has powerfully demonstrated the ways in which humanity is interwoven with and inseparable from the vast milieu of planetary systems and forces?at the same time it has emphasized the need for sound science and clear science communication.
>
> I ask: Can dualism be applied when due, while undue dualism is undone?
>
> I would also like to express appreciation for Roger?s mention of Gary Hall?s pirate philosophy and Guillermo Munoz? Piratas de la Ciencia. Here in the US, Science for the People is doing excellent work to challenge "militarization of scientific research, the corporate control of research agendas, the political implications of sociobiology and other scientific theories, the environmental consequences of energy policy, inequalities in health care, and many other issues.?
>
> Along the lines of pirate philosophy and the concept of mutual aid, I would like to add a recommendation to the work of social ecologist/communitarian anarchist philosopher John P. Clark. The Impossible Community, Realizing Communitarian Anarchy and Anarchy, Geography, Modernity: Selected Writings of Elis?e Reclus.
>
> In solidarity,
> Alyce Santoro
> alycesantoro.com
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 31, 2021, at 7:52 PM, YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr> wrote:
>
>
> Yasmin Phoenicians!
>
> Among stubborn socio-political/cultural bulwarks in need of being pirated by a certain 21st century progressive onset of activism, the dualist notion of a co-existing natural/supernatural reality to all things looms large. I think huge, actually -- elephant-in-the-room gigantic. Disinformation and alternative truths were not invented by Donald Trump -- they form the mass social-cultural backbone for all of human history -- i.e., an entirely anti-science notion that beneath its physical facade, the Universe is governed by supernatural forces. Not to mention the Earth itself, and in the face of today's advanced science, the muck of a deeply rooted and institutionalized, powerful and enormously wealthy supernatural belief complex among the planet's human animals, coupled with an inability of human scientists themselves to exploit and communicate the liberating non-supernatural spirituality and ontological meaning inherent in their simple search for a truth of things, is like a termite infestation in the woodwork structures of progressive desire for change.
>
> I don't mean religions per se, there are many humanitarian ones or even a God notion whatever that means. It all begins with the stubborn fictional meme from our ancient past of "supernatural," derailing the momentum toward critical paths to our future at the 21st century. The notion of spirit, that being a profoundly emotional connection to existence, needs to be pirated from the falsely omniscious supernatural-based institutions that wield it, robbed from those pretenders and given back to the "natural" (i.e. science) in which it is properly nested, imbued with the rich biological sensations of meaning that evolution has gifted us as a reward for uncovering truth. Art excavating in the terrains of science, can reveal that where the scientists could not.
>
> Stephen Nowlin
>
> ________________________________________
> From: roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu>
> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 12:19 PM
> To: yasmin_announcements@ntlab.gr; yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr
> Subject: yasmin phoenix, pirates, phoenicians and etruscans and and emerging digi-indigenous ingenious natives
>
> Yasminers
> and in particular Dalila Honorato, Stephen Nowlin and Luca Forcucci
> and Gullermo Munoz
>
> Dalila triggered the metaphor of YASMIN PHOENIX for the work we are
> starting to have a new different YASMIN rise from the ashes of the
> pandemic- let me add that we should think as yasminers as pirates
>
> Immediately it triggered my memory of reading Gary Hall's Pirate
> Philosophy https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/pirate-philosophy__;!!Fh--17vRJmFW!h87pOpvBVOSMBCJEoYBf9xn0QDi5wgjBhCBipq_3iQpbigN8Ir1emxYySevwLtWHNujTwyof$ and his
> unpacking the very useful innovation role that pirates played in the
> Mediterranean- i have copied this email to him in case he has an
> update on how pirate philosophy might be relevant in the post pandemic
> digi-indigenous culture that the digi-natives are inventing as we read
> the new rituals, customs and behaviours for the post pandemic world
> and its increasing virtual reality- and we digital elders stand back
> and notice but don't meddle- ok digi-natives take over YASMIN PHOENI
>
> secondly YASMIN moderator Guillermo Munoz co founded the group in
> spain called "pirates of science'
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.piratasdelaciencia.com/blog/quienes-somos/__;!!Fh--17vRJmFW!h87pOpvBVOSMBCJEoYBf9xn0QDi5wgjBhCBipq_3iQpbigN8Ir1emxYySevwLtWHNrQ2xq-4$ so maybe the
> pirate metaphor could be helpful as we work on the helping the YASMIN
> PHOENIX arise from the ashes with the help of the YASMIN pirates and
> phoenicians-- i have copied Guillermo also in case he has some
> thoughts too
>
> luca forcucci also suggested: I am all in for the flight, and let's
> not forget the Etruscans !
> all the best Luca
>
> and stephen nowlin: Roger -- as our nearest star rises seemingly anew
> over a political return to some sanity here in the U.S., your news
> feels timely and welcomed. Happy to climb aboard the flight of the
> YASMIN Phenix!
>
>
> and
>
> Roger Malina
> more on gary hall below:
> Gary Hall is a critical theorist and media philosopher working in the
> areas of digital culture, politics and technology. He is Professor of
> Media at Coventry University, UK, where he directs the Centre for
> Postdigital Cultures which brings together media theorists,
> practitioners, activists and artists.
>
> He is the author of a number of books, including The Inhumanist
> Manifesto (Techne Lab, 2017), Pirate Philosophy (MIT Press, 2016) and
> The Uberfication of the University (Minnesota UP, 2016).
>
> How philosophers and theorists can find new models for the creation,
> publication, and dissemination of knowledge, challenging the received
> ideas of originality, authorship, and the book.
>
> In Pirate Philosophy, Gary Hall considers whether the fight against
> the neoliberal corporatization of higher education in fact requires
> scholars to transform their own lives and labor. Is there a way for
> philosophers and theorists to act not just for or with the
> antiausterity and student protestors??graduates without a future??but
> in terms of their political struggles? Drawing on such phenomena as
> peer-to-peer file sharing and anticopyright/pro-piracy movements, Hall
> explores how those in academia can move beyond finding new ways of
> thinking about the world to find instead new ways of being theorists
> and philosophers in the world.
>
> Hall describes the politics of online sharing, the battles against the
> current intellectual property regime, and the actions of Anonymous,
> LulzSec, Aaron Swartz, and others, and he explains Creative Commons
> and the open access, open source, and free software movements. But in
> the heart of the book he considers how, when it comes to scholarly
> ways of creating, performing, and sharing knowledge, philosophers and
> theorists can challenge not just the neoliberal model of the
> entrepreneurial academic but also the traditional humanist model with
> its received ideas of proprietorial authorship, the book, originality,
> fixity, and the finished object. In other words, can scholars and
> students today become something like pirate philosophers?
>
> and the phoenicians:
> The Phoenicians came to prominence following the collapse (c. 1150 BC)
> of most major cultures during the Late Bronze Age. They were renowned
> in antiquity as adept merchants, expert seafarers, and intrepid
> explorers.[citation needed] They developed an expansive maritime trade
> network that lasted over a millennium, becoming the dominant
> commercial power for much of classical antiquity. Phoenician trade
> also helped facilitate the exchange of cultures, ideas, and knowledge
> between major cradles of civilization such as Greece, Egypt, and
> Mesopotamia. After its zenith in the ninth century BC, the Phoenician
> civilization in the eastern Mediterranean slowly declined in the face
> of foreign influence and conquest, though its presence would remain in
> the central and western Mediterranean until the second century BC.
>
>
> PS words matter: nina czegledy thinks the term 'digi-indigenous' is an
> inappropriate appropriation of the values of indigenous cultures
>
> Roger in Dallas, please phone/txt/ +15108532007 if urgent
>
> _______________________________________________
> Yasmin_discussions mailing list
> Yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr
> http://ntlab.gr/mailman/listinfo/yasmin_discussions_ntlab.gr
>
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