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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 07:26:37 +1100
From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr, roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu>
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Dear Roger,
I have followed Yasmin discussions for some time now.
The Eurocentic perspectives are not useful in the globally
Indigenous one that I inhabit.
I will continue to include you in Living Data updates and respect your
decision to be unsubscribed to that.
Wishing you well,
Lisa
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I respect the knowledge passed down through First Nations peoples.
I respect the arts as languages of relationship.
I respect the scientific method.
Lisa Roberts PhD
Artist in Residence, Faculty of Science
University of Technology Sydney
Visiting Scientist (a.k.a. artist)
Australian Antarctic Division
Lunartime.net.au
LivingData.net.au
LisaRoberts.com.au
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 10:56:00 -0600
From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
To: "xDxD.vs.xDxD" <xdxd.vs.xdxd@gmail.com>
Cc: Ranwa Yehia <ranwayehia@googlemail.com>, nake
<nake@uni-bremen.de>, yasmin_announcements@ntlab.gr,
yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr
Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] yasmin phoenicians and pirates:
overcoming touch deprivation pharmakon and provokaon
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ranwa, frieder, slavatore et yasmin phoenicians
a) let me pick up on frieders"
We could touch our old neighbor next door. We will never touch any of
all those others. We lose our skin and gain a bodiless existence.
Digital. Algorithmic.Frieder Nake
b) roger replies- strange how the sense of touch has become more
crucial than ever in this time when
touching is suspicious- the blind rely on the sense of touch to
navigate their own virtual reality-but now when they touch repeatedly
they are told to stop, to reduce the spread of the virus
last friday Dr Jin Kim of our dallas universities computer science
department told us about his research on develop a very advanced state
of 'touch' and proprioception in virtual reality
c)my instant post pandemic provocation is why, why, reproduce in
virtual reality the sense of human physical touch ? let's invent new
senses that can be deployed in virtual reality- like a sense for
trends in climate change. or the presence of covid q9 near us- our
dear recently departed stiegler would have insisted
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmakon_(philosophy) on a new
pharkaon for the post pandemic age - so yes frieder- the sense of
touch is greatly needed to be enhanced today, but lets use the methods
of the pharmakon to create enhanced sense of touch in the post
pandemic world, and lets invite the yasmin pirates to do their damage
and liberate us from old ways of thinking in the post pandemic world
d) frieder again: Now, "global" has become when so many of us feel our
neighbor, physically next door, is emotionally or intellectually or in
terms of shared interests or in collaborating on some project or in
exchanging exciting ideas, etc., farther away from us than a dozen or
more people around the globe.
frieder continues:
We could touch our old neighbor next door. We will never touch any of
all those others. We lose our skin and gain a bodiless existence.
Digital. Algorithmic.
Frieder Nake
Roger in Dallas, please phone/txt/ +15108532007 if urgent
On Sat, Feb 6, 2021 at 1:24 PM xDxD.vs.xDxD <xdxd.vs.xdxd@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Ranwa and Nake
>
> I agree both with the observation and with Ranwa's noting that we touch on both levels.
> A possible answer/approach could be to study the ecologies of this physical-digital-[what else?] environment.
> In the other message here on Yasmin i was using the terms "alliance" and "new living" to point in this direction.
> Kind wishes
> Salvatore
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 6, 2021 at 11:49 AM Ranwa Yehia <ranwayehia@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>> In fact, Nake, we are doing both. We continue to intensify in Egypt and also expand in Europe. We touch on both levels, and both in the physical and the digital.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 1:00 PM nake <nake@uni-bremen.de> wrote:
>>>
>>> What is interesting in Ranwa's statement ? or better: what I find interesting in his statement ? is this:
>>>
>>> He is active in founding the "Arab Digital Expression Foundation in Cairo". And he is pursuing and developing this successfully. Therefore, he wants to expand it. (Why expand, and not intensify?) And the expansion goes to Berlin, apparently more and more the global cultural center. Roughly, about eighty years after World War II that came from there. Berlin had been the cultural center once before, in the 1920s.
>>>
>>> Now, "global" has become when so many of us feel our neighbor, physically next door, is emotionally or intellectually or in terms of shared interests or in collaborating on some project or in exchanging exciting ideas, etc., farther away from us than a dozen or more people around the globe.
>>>
>>> We could touch our old neighbor next door. We will never touch any of all those others. We lose our skin and gain a bodiless existence. Digital. Algorithmic.
>>>
>>> Frieder Nake
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 04.02.21 12:11, Ranwa Yehia wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Roger, Dimitris and Salvatore,
>>>
>>> I believe I have been one of the very very silent participants in YASMIN for almost 13 years now. I connected with Roger when I was still starting up Arab Digital Expression Foundation in Cairo. The foundation of our work has been the integration or art, technology, media into alternative fun educational modules for teenagers and young professionals. We have since implemented our activities in Egypt, Tunisia and Lebanon, with our network snowballing year and year as more people are impacted by our activities. As silent as I have been, I was attentive and curious to quite a few of the postings on this group. I agree that with the pandemic, as horribl as it has been, has also opened ways for new possibilities. Now we are as close to our next door neighbour as we are to anyone in the world because of the pandemic. and somehow, to me, this makes the world closer to me. I hence also feel closer to this community. As I expand the work of ADEF, now also establishing an entity in Berlin and me personally moving there with my family next summer, I have to say it is exciting what Salvatore is proposing. I have decided to establish ADEF Berlin because over the past 6 years many of the active politically and socially engaged artists, techies, academics, researchers in many Arab countries have moved to Berlin in fear of their lives - be it the violence in Syria, the military rule in Egypt or the devastating state of Lebanon. I want to capitalize on the role of this Arab diaspora.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 5:49 PM xDxD.vs.xDxD <xdxd.vs.xdxd@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello Dimitris and everyone!
>>>> it's really nice to see this in the inbox :)
>>>>
>>>>> What would we like to see YASMIN evolving into in the post-pandemic era ?
>>>>
>>>> you know Dimitris, I really enjoy staying up to date in what all of you are doing and, as a matter of fact, this kind of curated, selectes, communal kind of selection that can take place in this kind of mailing list helps a lot to grasp signal from noise. From this point of view, I wish there was more of this storytelling. What are you all doing? Don't keep it to yourselves in these times of isolation and of communicational fatigue. I have always had good ideas come up from our interactions.
>>>>
>>>> And, on top of that, I think that in these times one other thing that could really spice things up in meaningful ways would be the idea of collaboration.
>>>> If, on the one hand, I love to hear what you're doing, I would love even more doing something together.
>>>> So why not have collaborations from the beginning of the process? Project ideas, partner search, collaborative project writing etc
>>>> Let's do a European project together! Let's find some grants together and tackle one or more of the topics we are talking about.
>>>> I've done it already with a couple of you all and it's been wonderful. I guess that doing it as an explicitly out in the public, would bring people further together and give even more the sense of a Mediterranean way to arts+science+technology
>>>>
>>>> to help this not get out of hand, maybe for both these things we could have "formats" or something like it: a "what are you up to" format, a "project idea" format, a "partner search" format etc
>>>>
>>>> or, we may find out that the "format" thing is too cumbersome, and we just need the intention and purpose, and that communal informality fits more the mediterranean. I don't know, and I can't say it alone.
>>>>
>>>> But i wanted to bring these two things out, as I feel that they could help shape a shared effort and bring us closer together (and also augment Yasmin's impact)
>>>>
>>>> cheers and hugs!
>>>> Salvatore
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>> Human Ecosystems Relazioni - https://www.he-r.it/
>>>> Ubiquitous Commons - http://www.ubiquitouscommons.org
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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 11:06:18 -0600
From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
To: Lisa Roberts <lisa@lisaroberts.com.au>,
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Cc: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr
Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] unsubscribe ? yasmin is un-usefully
eurocentric ?
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lisa
a) thanks for your email to the yasminers regretting that our
eurocentric perspectives are
not useful during the pandemic
b) yes- and we have fallen into this trap with the very idea of yasmin
( your art science mediterranean international network0.
yes the mediterranean has a long history of disastrous pandemics (
visit the quarantine islands from centuries ago
in marseille), and we have compounded this with my own provocation to
be digi-indigenous, followed by the ideas around phoenix and the
phoenicians
so lisa, sorry you have decided to unsubscribe from yasmin- but maybe
maybe this will trigger slowly desirable
auto-poesis in our complex organic/inorganic complex system
roger malina
On Sat, Feb 6, 2021 at 2:26 PM Lisa Roberts <lisa@lisaroberts.com.au> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Roger,
>
> I have followed Yasmin discussions for some time now.
> The Eurocentic perspectives are not useful in the globally
> Indigenous one that I inhabit.
>
> I will continue to include you in Living Data updates and respect your
> decision to be unsubscribed to that.
>
>
> Wishing you well,
>
> Lisa
>
>
>
> ---------------------------
>
>
> `?.??.???`?.?.???`?...?><((((?<
>
> I respect the knowledge passed down through First Nations peoples.
> I respect the arts as languages of relationship.
> I respect the scientific method.
>
>
> Lisa Roberts PhD
> Artist in Residence, Faculty of Science
> University of Technology Sydney
> Visiting Scientist (a.k.a. artist)
> Australian Antarctic Division
>
> Lunartime.net.au
> LivingData.net.au
> LisaRoberts.com.au
> Antarcticanimation.com
>
> +61 428 502 805
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