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1. Re: Yasmin_discussions Digest, Vol 36, Issue 1
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2. Re: yasmin phoenicians and pirates: overcoming touch
deprivation pharmakon and provokaon (YASMIN DISCUSSIONS)
3. yasmin as the trigger for desirable micro-outcomes
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Salvatore makes an excellent point about how the size of an organization does not automatically reflect on the group's ability to produce meaningful results. Beyond sheer size of larger research organizations, the one component they may (or may not) contain is the ability to easily and widely disseminate the results of their efforts. Perhaps what we could discuss, as a group, are methodologies for both dissemination AND promotion of work performed by smaller research entities.
Cook et al discuss how increasing the size of a research group does not necessarily proportionally increase output. Instead, they find "that an increase in productivity will be achieved by funding more PIs with small research groups ...."
https://peerj.com/articles/989.pdf
So, the question is, what can folks do to increase the visibility and viability of small research groups? The more such groups exist, I believe, the greater the number of avenues of exploration will be traveled, resulting in an increase in needed solutions.
William J. Joel
Western Connecticut State University
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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 09:18:24 +0100
From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
Dear Frieder
> I am afraid, that takes away a lot from the situation of the little
> research center.
>
it's really a choice. And it has its pros and cons. In a small organisation you have more freedom and agility, and you don't necessarily have to adhere to the rankings and mad quantities (for example of students and publications each year). You have a say in what you choose to do.
On the other hand there's more risk involved, and you have to be really
active: there's no big organization that will back you up, or to provide the prestige or reputation. You will always be the odd one, or the one who really has to fight to get the point across.
But there's space for everyone. If the Internet taught us anything is that there is space both for Amazon and for niche boutiques. That is if boutiques manage to generate narratives and imaginaries that allow people to find them.
<snip>
kind wishes
Salvatore
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 21:55:57 +0100
From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr
Cc: Malina Roger <rmalina@alum.mit.edu>, Ranwa Yehia
<ranwayehia@googlemail.com>, yasmin_announcements@ntlab.gr,
yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr
Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] yasmin phoenicians and pirates:
overcoming touch deprivation pharmakon and provokaon
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Dear Yasminers.
As getting bombarded since 2 weeks with daily discussions from you (seemingly out of the past), I take the stance for a comment / reply.
As artist having dealt with research / both scientific / thematic and via residencies & paper presentations, the pandemic has urged me to stay in my Studio for now almost one year, clinging to the canvas, its subject and its outcome.
As in the past, engaging with research subjects, whether on land-use, the Anthropocene, or on philosophical speculations, the artist (me) was suddenly always embedded in a realm of representations, whether of the scientific community, tourism, the tech world etc., or on the other side avoiding the arts market ?capitalism? as a kind of critique, always suddenly also branded as such.
If there is freedom in the arts, whether based on knowledge, or whether on arts for arts sake, needs to opt out of ?representation? and not been taken as a brainchild for other means.
As even CERN offers now residencies for artists, to support the ?theory / proof? matter on a 9 Bio $ scale, with no end in sight to find ?dark matter? and ?dark energy?, but in need of a link to an audience, that is rather speechless about the same way the scientific community is leading its way into grandeur style to make ?earth fail? at the end, renders me the same speechless, not to say unwilling to follow.
As the arts community is now a bit limited, but auctions soar, this seems the same coin of the overall condition / situation.
Its not bad to acknowledge over use of resources in both strains of the consumerism, the art world and scientific community alike, means we are all held accountable on different spots.
To stay in the studio and follow the color seems a luxury on one side, not following any ?representational? strains, nor being able for research on site, but to follow a color drip in the composition is one responsibility I am willing to take atm.
Any other means of ?embedded? critical or non critical representations dont pay my studio rent, and dont make me move atm. This may change as soon the vaccine will be available to all, but sth. will remain in memory, the often too soon taken for granted position of the artists creativity for other means.
So, from my Berlin Studio, I?d just liked to add some thoughts for tonite.
Hope you are fine, my scientific research community from the past in my email box.
KLAUS HU / STUDIO KLAUS HU / BERLIN
> currently in progress > https://klaushu.blogspot.com/2015/01/hi-altitude-2019-21.html <https://klaushu.blogspot.com/2015/01/hi-altitude-2019-21.html>
> On Feb 15, 2021, at 9:18 AM, YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr> wrote:
>
> Dear Frieder
>
>> I am afraid, that takes away a lot from the situation of the little
>> research center.
>>
> it's really a choice. And it has its pros and cons. In a small organisation
> you have more freedom and agility, and you don't necessarily have to adhere
> to the rankings and mad quantities (for example of students and
> publications each year). You have a say in what you choose to do.
> On the other hand there's more risk involved, and you have to be really
> active: there's no big organization that will back you up, or to provide
> the prestige or reputation. You will always be the odd one, or the one who
> really has to fight to get the point across.
> But there's space for everyone. If the Internet taught us anything is that
> there is space both for Amazon and for niche boutiques. That is if
> boutiques manage to generate narratives and imaginaries that allow people
> to find them.
>
> Me and my wife abandoned universities like 6 years ago, and opened this
> "little research center".
> Even if we're really small (there's 15 of us, plus several people who go
> back and forth) we partner with other larger universities and
> organizations, we work with the EU Commissions and governments etc: we do
> all the things which other research centers do. But being smaller, we can
> discuss and choose.
>
> We publish. We have institutional and strategic communication.
> We have students, internships, masters. Many times, we hire (or work with)
> the people we taught something to.
>
> Soon, we will have an hotel, where we will live (some permanently, some
> temporarily), research, experiment, teach, learn, eat, invite, leave from,
> arrive at, etc
>
> In a way, we're more similar to what Donna Haraway would call a new type of
> kinship. Which is a nice thing to explore as a research center.
>
> And we have a model for it (we're completing the documentation right now
> (for now there's this:
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YUwoq5yLXcHlC5YBelflJQhUZ0cvsU49/view?usp=sharing
> ), so that it's also replicable, evolvable etc
>
> This is also a nice thing to explore on Yasmin: how to organize ourselves.
> Hope you explore with us!
>
> kind wishes
> Salvatore
>
> (note: what address should we use in the Yasmin-phoenix transition? I saw
> that it is currently defaulting to forwarding to both addresses, as well to
> personal addresses. I will do this last one like this, and maybe from the
> next one I will only use the discussions address?)
>
> --
> *Art is Open Source *- http://www.artisopensource.net
> *Human Ecosystems Relazioni* - https://www.he-r.it/
> *Ubiquitous Commons *- http://www.ubiquitouscommons.org
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2021 10:32:32 -0600
From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
To: Nina Yankowitz <nyankowitz@gmail.com>,
yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr, Cassini Nazir <cassininazir@gmail.com>,
salvatore iaconesi <salvatore.iaconesi@artisopensource.net>
Cc: "xDxD.vs.xDxD" <xdxd.vs.xdxd@gmail.com>,
yasmin_announcements@ntlab.gr
Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] yasmin as the trigger for desirable
micro-outcomes
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nina nina yankowitz
yes short and to the point your provocation
"Biosphere and cultural perceptions about ?Good and Evil? quests as
reflective mirrors of the time I think IS THE VALUE of continuing
Yasmin".
so how could yasmin help trigger desirable micro-outcomes that shift
us to futures we have thought about before they happen
there are 8 billion humans on the planet, organised in hives a bit
like bees. The black bees and the yellow bees fight whenever they
encroach on a desirable territory- so yasmin can question the
biosphere ( love that one- yes the biosphere is talking back) and
question cultural perceptions- after all astronomers know that 95% of
the universe doest emit electromagnetic signals of any kind ( nor does
the biosphere) so how can we perceive the biosphere and how do we
perceive culture to trigger desirable micro-outcomes with yasmin as
the instigator?
yes cybernetics, yes complex systems science, yes collective
intelligence rather than the collective stupidity that Texas
just exhibited during a minor snow storm that taught texans how the
rest of the world lives most of the time: disrupted
the shift to terminology of 'desirable micro-outcomes' comes from
cassini nazir at university of north texas-perhaps
he can explain his concept of designing desirable micro-outcomes (
and stop thinking about projects as the focus)
salvatore please help us think aloud collectively
Roger in Dallas, please phone/txt/ +15108532007 if urgent
On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 1:06 PM Nina Yankowitz <nyankowitz@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Dimitri,
> I meant to include you in my SHORT & SWEET
> reply so I?m sending again.
>
>
> Hi Alyce, Roger, Dimitri and all,
>
> A SHORT & SWEET REPLY ANSWER (I think).
> Biosphere and cultural perceptions about ?Good and Evil? quests as reflective mirrors of the time I think IS THE VALUE of continuing Yasmin.
>
> Going forward with flexible analytic groups to examine ever-changing old and current issues presented by ?then and now? philosophers, scientists, Citizen Scientists, and artist creative investigators, incestigators, outlier efforts, is an important and unique amalgamation algorithm that Yasmin can provide for bringing about ?New? questions.
>
> Best regards,
> Nina
>
> Nina Yankowitz
> 106 Spring St. #2N
> New York, N.Y. 10012
> www.ninayankowitz.com
> Mobile or text (1)917-575-0671
>
> Vimeopro.com/userninay/art-nina-yankowitz
>
> Nina Yankowitz History-Smithsonian Archives of American Art
>
> http://www.aaa.si.edu/download_pdf_transcript/ajax?record_id=edanmdm-AAADCD_oh_394656
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> On Feb 2, 2021, at 10:50 AM, xDxD.vs.xDxD <xdxd.vs.xdxd@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?
> Hello Dimitris and everyone!
> it's really nice to see this in the inbox :)
>
>> What would we like to see YASMIN evolving into in the post-pandemic era ?
>
> you know Dimitris, I really enjoy staying up to date in what all of you are doing and, as a matter of fact, this kind of curated, selectes, communal kind of selection that can take place in this kind of mailing list helps a lot to grasp signal from noise. From this point of view, I wish there was more of this storytelling. What are you all doing? Don't keep it to yourselves in these times of isolation and of communicational fatigue. I have always had good ideas come up from our interactions.
>
> And, on top of that, I think that in these times one other thing that could really spice things up in meaningful ways would be the idea of collaboration.
> If, on the one hand, I love to hear what you're doing, I would love even more doing something together.
> So why not have collaborations from the beginning of the process? Project ideas, partner search, collaborative project writing etc
> Let's do a European project together! Let's find some grants together and tackle one or more of the topics we are talking about.
> I've done it already with a couple of you all and it's been wonderful. I guess that doing it as an explicitly out in the public, would bring people further together and give even more the sense of a Mediterranean way to arts+science+technology
>
> to help this not get out of hand, maybe for both these things we could have "formats" or something like it: a "what are you up to" format, a "project idea" format, a "partner search" format etc
>
> or, we may find out that the "format" thing is too cumbersome, and we just need the intention and purpose, and that communal informality fits more the mediterranean. I don't know, and I can't say it alone.
>
> But i wanted to bring these two things out, as I feel that they could help shape a shared effort and bring us closer together (and also augment Yasmin's impact)
>
> cheers and hugs!
> Salvatore
>
> --
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> Human Ecosystems Relazioni - https://www.he-r.it/
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