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Today's Topics:
1. Re: [Yasmin_announcements] yasminers sense of touch and the
ecological imaginary (YASMIN DISCUSSIONS)
2. Re: [Yasmin_announcements] YASMIN next steps, a new YASMIN
discussion (YASMIN DISCUSSIONS)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2021 09:58:24 +0100
From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
To: roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu>
Cc: yasmin_announcements@ntlab.gr, yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr
Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] [Yasmin_announcements] yasminers
sense of touch and the ecological imaginary
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Hi Alyce, hi all,
I m very grateful that we are having this very interesting exchange and
discussion. It is very pleasant. So, first of all thanks to all your
mailings, a great pleasure to read it.
Alyce, I read your 4 points that summarize your suggestions. However I do
not understand the third one. May be I misinterpreted, but, in my opinion
science method needs radical care. May be radical care is here a specific
concept, but I understand that care within the community is essential. The
science community is quite large, because we can not elude that it should
include "the others" not only as objects, so as subjects too (science is
not an individual activity, and hence diversity, communities,... are
essential for its development). So, in my point of view is the communal
aspect of science the one that brings us to the method. So objectivity here
is made by agreement. Yes, we follow empirical, methematical, logical,
economical and societal rules, but agreement is the output (very difficult
always of course) and care is needed to find this agreements. So, I would
say that care between subjects is inside the method. Otherwise, agreement,
as a political output, should be very difficult.
Best wishes,
Guillermo.
El vie., 5 feb. 2021 1:34, roger malina <rmalina@alum.mit.edu> escribi?:
> Speaking of touch? My grad class just went through an exploration of
> the senses and examined Sommerer?s Nanoscape (touching what?s not
> there through the mind?s eye).
>
>
> yasminers
> read on- alyce santoro , below, raises the issue of 'radical care'
> which i immediately connected to the idea of tele-touch that cassini
> nazir
> brings up below and the whole idea of tele-epistemology ( see ken
> goldberg https://goldberg.berkeley.edu/art/tele/intro.html ) where he
> discusses the tele-garden which he created (
> https://goldberg.berkeley.edu/garden/Ars/ ) and finally annick bureaud
> heroric efforts on helping plants get passports (
> https://quoartis.org/project/the-traveling-plant/ and also
> https://rootsandseedsxxi.eu/leonardo-olats/ )
>
> yes thats what happens in the yasmin phoenix oasis- strange animals
> cross connect their work
>
> roger
>
> cassini says
> Perhaps there?s a market opportunity for a smart telehaptics company
> to simulate virtual touch?Look forward to giving you a hug, too,
> Roger!
> alyce says
> Since the idea of letting yasmin die was in no way intended, please
> allow me to rephrase/simplify the essence of my suggestion:
>
> 1. Radical care may be an important component of in any/all forms of
> phoenix (social, technological, economic, political, scientific, etc).
> 2. A desire to radically care can stem from a visceral understanding
> of interdependence.
> 3. Radical care is not (nor can or should it be) a tenet of the
> scientific method?which, by its very nature, requires an objective,
> detached stance.
> 4. Could science-minded creative practitioners assist in crafting a
> new, more radically caring ?ecological imaginary??
>
> Abstract from my recent thesis (which I would be grateful for the
> opportunity to discuss with anyone interested, off list if preferred):
>
> The contradictions inherent in European Enlightenment-based ?logics?
> that externalize humans from ?nature? were a concern for the Romantic
> Naturalists, Dadaists, and Surrealists. More recently, some in the
> environmental humanities and socio-ecologically-concerned arts and
> sciences have also posed challenges to anthropocentric, hierarchical,
> positivist modes of thought. I suggest that by engaging the ludic,
> imaginative, and collaborative while bearing the empirical in mind,
> dualisms (such as objective and subjective, individual and collective)
> dissipate, and existence as a dialectical state of intricate ensemble
> can be revealed. In light of catastrophic disruption to Earth?s
> life-sustaining processes by exploitative forms of human activity, I
> argue an ?ecological imaginary? is urgently needed, and everyone is
> capable of contributing to its prefiguring.
>
> Once again, in solidarity,
> Alyce
> alycesantoro.com
>
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2021 09:21:27 +0100
From: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr>
To: yasmin_discussions@ntlab.gr
Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] [Yasmin_announcements] YASMIN next
steps, a new YASMIN discussion
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Dear All,
I don't know why but the messages to the discussion list do?
not come with the name of the sender. So please do sign your
posts with your full name.
For instance, I have no idea who wrote this message to
Roger, Dimitris and Salvatore ...
Best Regards
Annick Bureaud
Le 04/02/2021 ? 12:11, YASMIN DISCUSSIONS a ?crit?:
> Hello Roger, Dimitris and Salvatore,
>
> I believe I have been one of the very very silent participants in YASMIN
> for almost 13 years now. I connected with Roger when I was still
> starting up Arab Digital Expression Foundation in Cairo. The foundation of
> our work has been the integration or art, technology, media into
> alternative fun educational modules for teenagers and young professionals.
> We have since implemented our activities in Egypt, Tunisia and Lebanon,
> with our network snowballing year and year as more people are impacted by
> our activities. As silent as I have been, I was attentive and curious to
> quite a few of the postings on this group. I agree that with the pandemic,
> as horribl as it has been, has also opened ways for new possibilities. Now
> we are as close to our next door neighbour as we are to anyone in the world
> because of the pandemic. and somehow, to me, this makes the world closer to
> me. I hence also feel closer to this community. As I expand the work of
> ADEF, now also establishing an entity in Berlin and me personally moving
> there with my family next summer, I have to say it is exciting what
> Salvatore is proposing. I have decided to establish ADEF Berlin because
> over the past 6 years many of the active politically and socially engaged
> artists, techies, academics, researchers in many Arab countries have moved
> to Berlin in fear of their lives - be it the violence in Syria, the
> military rule in Egypt or the devastating state of Lebanon. I want to
> capitalize on the role of this Arab diaspora.
>
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 5:49 PM xDxD.vs.xDxD <xdxd.vs.xdxd@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello Dimitris and everyone!
>> it's really nice to see this in the inbox :)
>>
>>
>>> - What would we like to see YASMIN evolving into in the post-pandemic
>>> era ?
>>>
>>> you know Dimitris, I really enjoy staying up to date in what all of you
>> are doing and, as a matter of fact, this kind of curated, selectes,
>> communal kind of selection that can take place in this kind of mailing list
>> helps a lot to grasp signal from noise. From this point of view, I wish
>> there was more of this storytelling. What are you all doing? Don't keep it
>> to yourselves in these times of isolation and of communicational fatigue. I
>> have always had good ideas come up from our interactions.
>>
>> And, on top of that, I think that in these times one other thing that
>> could really spice things up in meaningful ways would be the idea of
>> collaboration.
>> If, on the one hand, I love to hear what you're doing, I would love even
>> more doing something together.
>> So why not have collaborations from the beginning of the process? Project
>> ideas, partner search, collaborative project writing etc
>> Let's do a European project together! Let's find some grants together and
>> tackle one or more of the topics we are talking about.
>> I've done it already with a couple of you all and it's been wonderful. I
>> guess that doing it as an explicitly out in the public, would bring people
>> further together and give even more the sense of a Mediterranean way to
>> arts+science+technology
>>
>> to help this not get out of hand, maybe for both these things we could
>> have "formats" or something like it: a "what are you up to" format, a
>> "project idea" format, a "partner search" format etc
>>
>> or, we may find out that the "format" thing is too cumbersome, and we just
>> need the intention and purpose, and that communal informality fits more the
>> mediterranean. I don't know, and I can't say it alone.
>>
>> But i wanted to bring these two things out, as I feel that they could help
>> shape a shared effort and bring us closer together (and also augment
>> Yasmin's impact)
>>
>> cheers and hugs!
>> Salvatore
>>
>> --
>> *Art is Open Source *- http://www.artisopensource.net
>> *Human Ecosystems Relazioni* - https://www.he-r.it/
>> *Ubiquitous Commons *- http://www.ubiquitouscommons.org
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