[Yasmin_discussions] Artists and Rising Sea Levels

yasminers

we set up a TWINE

http://www.twine.com/twine/12rmgqdcp-4mk/artists-and-rising-sea-levels

with the works of artists related to rising sea levels

if you have other examples, send them to yasmin or add them
to the twine yourself !

note=there are actually areas of the world where sea levels are dropping !!

roger
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Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Fwd: artists and rising sea levels

Sea Level Rise

On the Atlantic coast of New England, there has been a documented impact of
sea level rise, which is slowly drowning salt marsh plants not evolved to
sustain repeated tidal inundation. The weakened Spartina grasses are
weakened, then attacked by opportunistic pathogens and galls. The tides then
wash the plants out to sea further eroding the coastline in a subtractive
basis. Further, southerly species push northward causing a broken trophic
cascade of species migration and displacement.
This has been documented in a collaborative work called Requiem for a
Drowning Landscape, exhibited at the New York Hall of Science, 2008-2009.
http://josephemmanuelingoldsby.com/pdf_folder/orion_sacred_mundane.pdf
and written about in Vanishing Landscapes: The Atlantic Salt Marsh, Leonardo
Journal, 42-2-2009, MIT Press, Roger Malina, Executive Editor. Available
through MIT Press and academically through Project Muse.
http://www.mitpressjournals.org/toc/leon/42/2
Works include video projections on hand made Spartina paper set on a scrim
of sheer linen- Spartina Winter Ice, representing a time lapse of the last
day of winter on the salt marsh when the ice sheets break off, melt and are
absorbed by the rising spring tides.
A Memorial work represented a time line of growth and decay was installed
along the meanders of a tidal creek within a short form Spartina
alterniflora marsh, where the tides now cover the marsh on a regular basis.
The Museum and gallery installations followed the themes of Remembrance,
Recollection and Retelling as befits a Requiem for a Drowning Landscape.

Joseph Emmanuel Ingoldsby
Landscape Mosaics

On 11/18/09 1:21 PM, "Genco Gülan" <gencogulan2@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Mike, I made a video called Shopping Water in an ancient sunken city on
the
> Western coast of Turkey, showing that the cities have sunked before and
they
> may sunk again (soon?) Genco GULAN. PS: The video is available at
youtube.

On
> Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 11:13 PM, Mike Leggett <legart@ozemail.com.au>wrote:
>
>
> On 15/11/2009, at 12:18 AM, roger malina wrote:
>
> are any uyasminers
>>
> involved in art projects that deal in some way with rising
>> sea levels
> ?
>>
>
> In Australia, Ten Trenches invest, igates the impact of sea-level
> rise on
> the Shoalhaven River in New South Wales. It a is part of Bundanon
> Trust¹s
> SITEWORKS project, a three year conversation between artists,
> scientists,
> historians, archaeologists and local people exploring the
> Bundanon site.
>
> http://www.bundanon.com.au/content/ten-trenches-2
>
> As an
> artist involved in the project, I have contributed a short video
> report on
> this first stage of Siteworks:
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/user/bundanon1#p/a/u/1/Yee3aih6KLY
>
> Yasminers should
> be aware of the residency program at Bundanon and are
> encouraged to
> apply.
>
> Bests
> Mike
>
>
> Mike Leggett
> Creativity & Cognition Studios
>
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> University of Technology Sydney
> PO Box 123
> Broadway,
> SYDNEY
> NSW 2007
>
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Buyuk Hendek Caddesi 21/2 Kuledibi Beyoglu
> Istanbul
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Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Fwd: artists and rising sea levels

Hi Mike, I made a video called Shopping Water in an ancient sunken city on
the Western coast of Turkey, showing that the cities have sunked before and
they may sunk again (soon?) Genco GULAN. PS: The video is available at
youtube.

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 11:13 PM, Mike Leggett <legart@ozemail.com.au>wrote:

>
> On 15/11/2009, at 12:18 AM, roger malina wrote:
>
> are any uyasminers
>> involved in art projects that deal in some way with rising
>> sea levels ?
>>
>
> In Australia, Ten Trenches invest, igates the impact of sea-level rise on
> the Shoalhaven River in New South Wales. It a is part of Bundanon Trust's
> SITEWORKS project, a three year conversation between artists, scientists,
> historians, archaeologists and local people exploring the Bundanon site.
>
> http://www.bundanon.com.au/content/ten-trenches-2
>
> As an artist involved in the project, I have contributed a short video
> report on this first stage of Siteworks:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/user/bundanon1#p/a/u/1/Yee3aih6KLY
>
> Yasminers should be aware of the residency program at Bundanon and are
> encouraged to apply.
>
> Bests
> Mike
>
>
> Mike Leggett
> Creativity & Cognition Studios
> FEIT Building 10
> University of Technology Sydney
> PO Box 123
> Broadway, SYDNEY
> NSW 2007
>
>
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--
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Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Fwd: artists and rising sea levels

On 15/11/2009, at 12:18 AM, roger malina wrote:

> are any uyasminers
> involved in art projects that deal in some way with rising
> sea levels ?

In Australia, Ten Trenches investigates the impact of sea-level rise
on the Shoalhaven River in New South Wales. It a is part of Bundanon
Trust's SITEWORKS project, a three year conversation between artists,
scientists, historians, archaeologists and local people exploring the
Bundanon site.

http://www.bundanon.com.au/content/ten-trenches-2

As an artist involved in the project, I have contributed a short video
report on this first stage of Siteworks:

http://www.youtube.com/user/bundanon1#p/a/u/1/Yee3aih6KLY

Yasminers should be aware of the residency program at Bundanon and are
encouraged to apply.

Bests
Mike

Mike Leggett
Creativity & Cognition Studios
FEIT Building 10
University of Technology Sydney
PO Box 123
Broadway, SYDNEY
NSW 2007

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Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Fwd: artists and rising sea levels]

Hola everybody!

We are Pamela Campagna and omi (Thomas Scheiderbauer)from L-able, Seville.
And we just wanted to feedback the question from Roger some mails ago:

> ....
>
> are any yasminers
>
> involved in art projects that deal in some way with rising
>
> sea levels ?
>

Yes we are. As artists - or maybe better: design activists - we contributed a poster
to GOOD50x70, a yearly design contest in social-cultural contexts:

http://good50x70.org/2009/

on the left under GALLERY you find all the selected posters, under

http://good50x70.org/2009/gallery/climate-change/

those who deal (in a more or less direct manner) with climate change, resp. with rising sea leavels.

con cordiales saludos,
pam + omi

- - -

L-able,
Seville
http://www.l-able.net
+34 626 711 789 (pam)
+34 639 890 337 (omi

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Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Climate Change - Australian governmentresponding (maybe?)

A heartfelt post, Janelle.

Being originally from South Australia I am of course aware of the central
importance of two resources to that and other Australian states. Firstly,
the River Murray. Even when I was a kid, in the 60¹s, the Murray was in
crisis every summer. Salinity levels were regularly above internationally
recommended standards and phosphate levels more dangerously high. Water
levels often fell below that required to provide the 1.3 million people who
depended on it for their basic supply, triggering all sorts of rationing
tactics.

Secondly, the Great Artesian Basin, one of the World¹s largest aquifiers. It
is the sink into which what little rain that falls in 70% of the Australian
land mass flows. It has been there 100 million years or more. But now it too
is diminishing and, as with the Murray, the water is becoming saline and
polluted with phosphates that are caught up in run-off.

Most Australian¹s, living on the relatively wet East Coast, are not aware of
either the current problems nor of the probable outcome of current land and
water usage in the country. Perhaps they will notice when the South
Australian wine industry collapses or refugees from the drier states start
to move to the East.

I do return from time to time to Australia for work and even sometimes for a
holiday. I originally left Australia because opportunities seemed more
plentiful elsewhere but also because I felt residual guilt about the
appropriation of the country by Europeans from the indigenous people. OK,
the UK is hardly a guilt free zone but at least I have a sense of not
treading on bones that belong to others who died at the hands of my
ancestors. If I tread on bones in the UK they are not other to the same
degree. I hope that makes sense, as I am acutely aware how contentious this
subject can be ­ I do not want to argue we should all live on soil that is
soaked in our own blood, as that would be playing into the narrow
nationalist racial arguments of the extreme right that are not even
scientifically supportable.

That was the moral crisis I felt in the 1980¹s. Today my crisis would be
different. If a country is so short of a key resource like water then what
are the implications if I was to then choose to return to that country?
Wouldn¹t it be morally problematic on the grounds that by returning I would
be taking water from the mouth¹s of others?

Touchy stuff. Not sure if this is art and science...and not sure what art
and science can do about it. Looks like politics to me...

Best

Simon

Simon Biggs

Research Professor
edinburgh college of art
s.biggs@eca.ac.uk
www.eca.ac.uk

Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments
CIRCLE research group
www.eca.ac.uk/circle/

simon@littlepig.org.uk
www.littlepig.org.uk
AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk

From: Janelle Cugley <blueskythink@iprimus.com.au>
Reply-To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@estia.media.uoa.gr>
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 07:40:12 +0900
To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@estia.media.uoa.gr>
Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Climate Change - Australian
governmentresponding (maybe?)

The saying is
Its not all over till the fat lady sings....
the fat lady, being Australia has been singing for a very long time..... its
up to us to listen to the song and respond.. isn't this what we as artists
do? respond, resonate, reflect...re -member?
that land a'int going no where.
she's solid as a rock..

it's inland where we need to look more deeply.. into the underground streams
and rivers, the fertile soils, and respond to what's just under the surface
, knowing its all pegged anyway for mining.
We are rapidly moving into a time where food shortages are now a fact, and
yes the sea levels are rising, some development even the most recent
decisions to develop high density along the coast here in W.A. is absurd as
we here are seen to be the "sustainability state".. id like that to be the
case, however i feel deeply that until we respond to the environment in the
most graceful and intelligent way we can, and to the people from the Old
land, nurture what we have, and not be in our heads but our hearts as well,
we will tremble with the coast and be swallowed up by the anxieties that are
part and have been part of our own development for a long time.

Probably time to come back then Simon, check it out.. respond.. its
beautiful over here and yes the environment will change.. look at the
scorching heat at the moment in Adelaide and Melbourne, they too have water
shortage problems with the Murray river.. no water.. well we know no life!
Its not even summer and they are in their 40's degrees all ready. Lets not
forget the Fires in country Victoria early this year.

Its very good to hear the discussions moving in directions where artists
also can play a part of contributing ideas that science and government alone
cannot for-see.
Thanks to you, Paul and all who keep these discussions illuminated where i
think the most powerful creative responses can be conceived. Encouraging the
links with science and government, the oriallity of collective dialogue, the
deep sensory awareness we often as artists expel, I'm encouraged to keep
thinking, well the worlds always moving in directions that keep us
responding..

cheers
that's what we say over here in Perth, then we slap our nee. Footy here is
mor importent than thinking about climate change, Rising rivers engulfing
the city and we are hell bent to develop out City forshore. and floating man
made islands out of Freo. gosh whats going on?

Janelle

----- Original Message -----
From: "Simon Biggs" <s.biggs@eca.ac.uk>
To: "YASMIN DISCUSSIONS" <yasmin_discussions@estia.media.uoa.gr>
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Climate Change - Australian
governmentresponding (maybe?)

> There goes my ancestral home then :(
>
> http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Aldinga+Beach+
> Australia&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=17.361197,34.980469&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear
> =Aldinga+Beach+SA,+Australia&ll=-35.296502,138.446317&spn=0.00292,000427&t=
> h&z=18
>
> Best
>
> Simon
>
>
> Simon Biggs
>
> Research Professor
> edinburgh college of art
> s.biggs@eca.ac.uk
> www.eca.ac.uk
>
> Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments
> CIRCLE research group
> www.eca.ac.uk/circle/
>
> simon@littlepig.org.uk
> www.littlepig.org.uk
> AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk
>
>
>
> From: Paul Brown <paul@paul-brown.com>
> Reply-To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@estia.media.uoa.gr>
> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 14:33:22 +1000
> To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@estia.media.uoa.gr>
> Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] Climate Change - Australian government
> responding (maybe?)
>
> An addendum to the art & climate change discussion:
>
> 250,000 homes 'at risk' from rising seas
> By environment reporter Sarah Clarke and staff
> Posted 5 hours 38 minutes ago
> Updated 3 hours 2 minutes ago
>
> A new report has warned that up to 250,000 homes around Australia will
> be inundated due to climate change by the turn of the century.
>
> The Federal Government report titled Climate Change Risks to
> Australia's Coast is the most comprehensive assessment to date, taking
> into account a projected 1.1-metre rise in sea level and an increasing
> risk of extreme weather events like tidal and storm surges.
>
> More here: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/14/2742769.htm
>
> ====
> Paul Brown - based in OZ October 09 to January 2010
> mailto:paul@paul-brown.com == http://www.paul-brown.com
> OZ Landline +61 (0)7 3391 0094 == USA fax +1 309 216 9900
> OZ Mobile +61 (0)419 72 74 85 == Skype paul-g-brown
> ====
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> http://www.cogs.susx.ac.uk/ccnr/research/creativity.html
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Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Climate Change - Australian governmentresponding (maybe?)

The saying is
Its not all over till the fat lady sings....
the fat lady, being Australia has been singing for a very long time..... its
up to us to listen to the song and respond.. isn't this what we as artists
do? respond, resonate, reflect...re -member?
that land a'int going no where.
she's solid as a rock..

it's inland where we need to look more deeply.. into the underground streams
and rivers, the fertile soils, and respond to what's just under the surface
, knowing its all pegged anyway for mining.
We are rapidly moving into a time where food shortages are now a fact, and
yes the sea levels are rising, some development even the most recent
decisions to develop high density along the coast here in W.A. is absurd as
we here are seen to be the "sustainability state".. id like that to be the
case, however i feel deeply that until we respond to the environment in the
most graceful and intelligent way we can, and to the people from the Old
land, nurture what we have, and not be in our heads but our hearts as well,
we will tremble with the coast and be swallowed up by the anxieties that are
part and have been part of our own development for a long time.

Probably time to come back then Simon, check it out.. respond.. its
beautiful over here and yes the environment will change.. look at the
scorching heat at the moment in Adelaide and Melbourne, they too have water
shortage problems with the Murray river.. no water.. well we know no life!
Its not even summer and they are in their 40's degrees all ready. Lets not
forget the Fires in country Victoria early this year.

Its very good to hear the discussions moving in directions where artists
also can play a part of contributing ideas that science and government alone
cannot for-see.
Thanks to you, Paul and all who keep these discussions illuminated where i
think the most powerful creative responses can be conceived. Encouraging the
links with science and government, the oriallity of collective dialogue, the
deep sensory awareness we often as artists expel, I'm encouraged to keep
thinking, well the worlds always moving in directions that keep us
responding..

cheers
that's what we say over here in Perth, then we slap our nee. Footy here is
mor importent than thinking about climate change, Rising rivers engulfing
the city and we are hell bent to develop out City forshore. and floating man
made islands out of Freo. gosh whats going on?

Janelle

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> There goes my ancestral home then :(
>
> http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Aldinga+Beach+
> Australia&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=17.361197,34.980469&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear
> =Aldinga+Beach+SA,+Australia&ll=-35.296502,138.446317&spn=0.00292,000427&t=
> h&z=18
>
> Best
>
> Simon
>
>
> Simon Biggs
>
> Research Professor
> edinburgh college of art
> s.biggs@eca.ac.uk
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>
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>
> simon@littlepig.org.uk
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>
>
>
> From: Paul Brown <paul@paul-brown.com>
> Reply-To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@estia.media.uoa.gr>
> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 14:33:22 +1000
> To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@estia.media.uoa.gr>
> Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] Climate Change - Australian government
> responding (maybe?)
>
> An addendum to the art & climate change discussion:
>
> 250,000 homes 'at risk' from rising seas
> By environment reporter Sarah Clarke and staff
> Posted 5 hours 38 minutes ago
> Updated 3 hours 2 minutes ago
>
> A new report has warned that up to 250,000 homes around Australia will
> be inundated due to climate change by the turn of the century.
>
> The Federal Government report titled Climate Change Risks to
> Australia's Coast is the most comprehensive assessment to date, taking
> into account a projected 1.1-metre rise in sea level and an increasing
> risk of extreme weather events like tidal and storm surges.
>
> More here: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/14/2742769.htm
>
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Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Climate Change - Australian government responding (maybe?)

There goes my ancestral home then :(

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Aldinga+Beach+
Australia&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=17.361197,34.980469&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear
=Aldinga+Beach+SA,+Australia&ll=-35.296502,138.446317&spn=0.00292,000427&t=
h&z=18

Best

Simon

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s.biggs@eca.ac.uk
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From: Paul Brown <paul@paul-brown.com>
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 14:33:22 +1000
To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@estia.media.uoa.gr>
Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] Climate Change - Australian government
responding (maybe?)

An addendum to the art & climate change discussion:

250,000 homes 'at risk' from rising seas
By environment reporter Sarah Clarke and staff
Posted 5 hours 38 minutes ago
Updated 3 hours 2 minutes ago

A new report has warned that up to 250,000 homes around Australia will
be inundated due to climate change by the turn of the century.

The Federal Government report titled Climate Change Risks to
Australia's Coast is the most comprehensive assessment to date, taking
into account a projected 1.1-metre rise in sea level and an increasing
risk of extreme weather events like tidal and storm surges.

More here: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/14/2742769.htm

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[Yasmin_discussions] Fwd: artists and rising sea levels

paul

thanks for the post

the rethink art re climate change discussion is going on
at

http://www.rethinkclimate.org/debat/rethink-art/

<http://www.rethinkclimate.org/debat/rethink-art/>but maybe yasminers can
contribute to the discussion
leading to copenhagen in december= are any uyasminers
involved in art projects that deal in some way with rising
sea levels ?

mediterranean sea level rises are predicted to be less
more like 25 cm

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6VF0-4RKCHT9-1&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1092651230&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=47c620752023ffe2b28098cce0bd0d0b

but some extreme models predict 1m rise which endangers the nile delta

http://www.enn.com/top_stories/article/22263

here is an example of an artists work that relies on the tide water to
destroy his art work

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1202491/Race-tide-Artist-creates-intricate-masterpieces--sea-washes-away-hours.html

there is a group in england mobiliser around rising sea levels including
artists

http://risingtide.org.uk/

Luke Jerrram has a very nice work that translates normal tidal variations
into
a water sculpure inside a gallery

http://www.da2.org.uk/tide/index.htm

roger

<http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6VF0-4RKCHT9-1&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1092651230&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=47c620752023ffe2b28098cce0bd0d0b>

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Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] Climate Change - Australian government
responding (maybe?)
To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@estia.media.uoa.gr>

An addendum to the art & climate change discussion:

250,000 homes 'at risk' from rising seas
By environment reporter Sarah Clarke and staff
Posted 5 hours 38 minutes ago
Updated 3 hours 2 minutes ago

A new report has warned that up to 250,000 homes around Australia will be
inundated due to climate change by the turn of the century.

The Federal Government report titled Climate Change Risks to Australia's
Coast is the most comprehensive assessment to date, taking into account a
projected 1.1-metre rise in sea level and an increasing risk of extreme
weather events like tidal and storm surges.

More here: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/14/2742769.htm

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[Yasmin_discussions] Climate Change - Australian government responding (maybe?)

An addendum to the art & climate change discussion:

250,000 homes 'at risk' from rising seas
By environment reporter Sarah Clarke and staff
Posted 5 hours 38 minutes ago
Updated 3 hours 2 minutes ago

A new report has warned that up to 250,000 homes around Australia will
be inundated due to climate change by the turn of the century.

The Federal Government report titled Climate Change Risks to
Australia's Coast is the most comprehensive assessment to date, taking
into account a projected 1.1-metre rise in sea level and an increasing
risk of extreme weather events like tidal and storm surges.

More here: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/14/2742769.htm

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Re: [Yasmin_discussions] about orality during the real life /second life workshop between Algeria(Myriam) and Tunisia(Wafa) this april 2009

Myriam , Wafa and another Yasminers:
                                                             What's the best manner in the endurance of a tradition and folk literature?
                                                             Orally!
                                                             That's shown in many peoples from Mapuches (Mapu : Land  Che: People People of Land) to Roms, Imazighen , Kurdish Yezidis, Inuits etc etc.
                                                              And the oral history maintain a kind of actuallity and vivid form that one person hearing the stories of a "griot" in a farest hamlet of  Senegal you've a visual manner of personages and you thought in to be one or another is the same with the Imazighen poetry and stories, the human voice only (no as in the Javanese theater or in the Turkish Karagöz with marionets or Chinese shadows as a support)1
                                                               So, oral tradition even trhough electronics means for protect it must be conserve because is one of the most valuables treasuries of humanakind.
                                                               Best regards
                                                                       ricardo gustavo espeja

--- On Mon, 11/9/09, Myriam Hammani <mhammani@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Myriam Hammani <mhammani@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] about orality during the real life /second life workshop between Algeria(Myriam) and Tunisia(Wafa) this april 2009
To: yasmin_discussions@estia.media.uoa.gr
Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 6:05 AM

It is very interesting to read your posts Roger reminding us of Piaget 's studies on child cognitive developpement and the research of Allison Gornik which I will have to read up upon. But it is true that sound and visual is interconnected and maybe working in the same places of the brain although there is no proof to know for sure.
However I do beleive that when we create visual associations in our mind with oral information being received versus receiving visual and oral information spontaneaously at the same time, i beleive a different type of cognitive process is happening in a different part of the brain for case 1 and case 2.
It seems that looking and watching things is a passive activity and needs not much conscious attention nor conscious memory. Yet imagining visual scenarios in our mind's eye,day dreaming, requires active thinking, creation and memory to continue thethread of the visual 'story'. It is much more personal, intimate and memory conscious.
I will have to read up on Piaget's cognitive research with child hearing developpement and see what Allison Gornik has
written on the topic. If anybody knows any specific cognitive developpement research based on hearing please let me know.
I would like to add a comment about the real life / second life workshops i did with Wafa Bourkhis in April 2009 in Algeria...because it was an experience of visual creation and learning and oral communication through second life with Wafa who was located in Second life/Tunisia while we were located in Algeria at the art school and in second life.

This was a very interesting experiment, because it was the first time that the art students of ecole des beaux arts learned to
communicate on second life and navigated inside of it.
My role was to introduce the project from real life and guide them to make a textural video and digital images around the idea
of dolphins being chased away from their habitat on the edge of the italian coast and tunisian coast.
Once they had created their visions with video and digital collages, they came onto second life platform to meet up with
Wafa who guided them through the virtual world of second life to have their own avatar, their own clothing , navigate through
theater platforms and free hair clothing platforms as well as places where you can buy things with virtual money and put up their art works in the platform space of 'the isle des marquis'.
It was very interesting because at first I had to be an inbetween person, in the real world until they got completely in the virtual space where Wafa was with her avatar 'Aichi sunflower'. And they communicated much better with oral speech with Wafa then
with typing on second life. When Wafa talked about the different platforms second life offers, she spoke through her avatar Aichi Sunflower and we had a big stereo amplifying her voice and a classroom projection of the second life platform where she was teaching.
It seemed like a magical window opening up to another place, between Algeria and Tunisia.
However, the technical problems of delay and noise made it a more distant communication.
Another interesting experience was that the students became comfortable with the medium and soon were making 'friends ' with other avatars of other places , for example Dina made friends with avatars from America who were 'sunbathing' and 'tanning' in
a second life location. I beleive that Dina had no trouble because she was well trained with oral communication more so then
maybe somebody from Norway, Germany or France who comes from a less oraly operating society.
She also noticed that it was a world which was very controlled by money and time.
It is true that an avatar is judged alot on  how well dressed one is or if one has snazzy complex avatar moves.
Sometimes there are avatar people who will be open to teach and guide such as Wafa does.
However , there are many avatar/people I noticed who will ignore you and type to each other, and no longer talk openly so that the 'introders cannot join in or hear'.
Orality on second life is interesting. Because it is very controlled, and you are judged according to your belongings or group who you belong to.
So I do not know if second life is a free platform for true expression because there is the digital divide which keeps many
oralities from perpetuating on this modern platform.
I remember also, wanting to sing with other musicians...but it was very difficult to find them...and when i met a lady called
'Roxelo' avatar she did not want to communicate in another language then italian.
Of course these are problems which happen in real life also.
But the problem with second life, is that the algerian artists of our workshops were not able to freely create their own platform, they could not just make 'street art'...they had to limit themselves to showing 2 art pieces per person and the video could not be big, so we limited it to 2 minutes.although we had an hour of footage and 15 minute montage.
These are the limitations of technology and computer storage memory.
Even today, many artists from the digital divide do not have their art work up on the internet.
And also, the internet is still mostly an english dominated language communication tool.
Although second life has oral options. Many avatars prefer to communicate through typing because they reveal less their
emotions.
Many people on second life want to have another identity so they do not want you to recognize anything personal of
their true color tone.
examples:
A man who wants to disguise himself as woman.A French who wants to be latino indian.
A Mexican who wants to be seen as an American business man. An elderly who wants to be a youthful /sexy avatar.
These are all types of people who block orallity from shining through in Second life.
Those are my 2 cents worth on the subject....What do you think?

                         
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Re: [Yasmin_discussions] about orality during the real life /second life workshop between Algeria(Myriam) and Tunisia(Wafa) this april 2009

Dear Miriam, Roger and all.
I find this discussion fascinating. I was lucky enough to 'meet"
Wafa in Second Life, during the Slactions conference I recently co-
organized with Leonel Morgado and Nelson Zagalo ( in SL and in the
real world).

We had a small miscommunication and Wafa ended up setting up her
beautiful art *during* the break with the conference ongoing. This has
become my favorite anecdote to illustrate how utterly unique space/
time organization in SL is. Basically, Wafa and I went on private chat
during the conference, I gave her a ' Go Wafa!" and she set it up
while the audience was sitting and the speakers presenting (thank you
Wafa!)

All thanks to the Y axis.; ) We informed the audience after a break to
fly up straight from their seats and see Wafa's sclupture (which they
loved), then go straight down.

During Slactions, all the presenters walked up to the stage and most
did a Powerpoint presentation while using voice for the presentation.
While this is certainly not any criticism of the speakers – (certainly
not... and I encourage you to read more at www.slactions.org) I did
share my disappointment with the lack of more performative forms of
presentation with my colleagues Leonel and Nelson who were right in
noting that the setup (the architecture, the podium) had just
naturally resulted in a standard mode of presentation. Again, Wafa's
sculptures - and our use of the Y - axis:) _ disrupted this hegemonic
setup.

Again, I have enjoyed your posts immensely, Miriam.

I am curious about how oral would you 'rate' SL when in 5,000 years
from now – - as Roger suggested back in a post back in May also on
oral traditions - we assess "orality marks" of new media . I'm sure I
am doing a literal translation from Portuguese- when I say 'orality
marks'… but being a Portuguese living in the US, this is one of the
most refreshing things for me in being a Yasminer: our English
imperfections… which almost always bring a (Mediterranean?) clarity –
a new light.

Question... So revisiting Roger Malina's post then, and reflecting on
your experience with Wafa in RL and SL…. and if indeed a more
performative platform a more oral one (and/or vice-versa)....

- What were the implications of the huge improvements with voice in SL
(I am an early 'adopter' – 2004 - now a bit of a skeptical … so I
really witnessed the improvements). Is SL in general becoming more
performative?

- I guess one of the things that bothers me is why, having such a rich
platform available, we still have the same standard worn-out
'performances' (I know I am speaking here of a conference, but whether
a conference, or a non-conference the new buzz word it is still a
performative space. Do you have any thoughts on this?

- How do you Miriam, and you Wafa see the gesture routines in SL?
I'll call those routines 'macros'… to emphasize this type of pre-
programmed set of actions like in Excel… The famous Torley (Linden
Labs prolific tutorial writer) has a post with a self-explanatory
title that illustrates what I am mean: "Stacking Gestures on One Quick
Key in Second Life" (No sarcasm implied- Torley has taught me a lot
Does it really impact a speaker to have an audience that changes the
way they sit?.... Does that impact me, represented in SL by an avatar
that changes the way I sit?

- And I know there are those of you who are particularly interested in
filmic languages (Vitro Reia, whom I had the great pleasure of just
meeting at Euromeduc) and others. How to think of these SL routines
for SL machinima? Just last week I was browsing machinima filmmakers
and found that in one case, the filmmaker had had awards and in
"independent mainstream" film festivals too (the oxymoron meaning – in
real life…) . I was impressed! I checked it out and it was indeed an
award for the 'worst movie'. This is was an so was this a way the jury
found to chastise certain new lingo in the filmic language such as the
use of 'macros'?…

Sorry for the long post!

Ana Boa-Ventura

On Nov 9, 2009, at 8:05 AM, Myriam Hammani wrote:

>
>
>
> It is very interesting to read your posts Roger reminding us of
> Piaget 's studies on child cognitive developpement and the research
> of Allison Gornik which I will have to read up upon. But it is true
> that sound and visual is interconnected and maybe working in the
> same places of the brain although there is no proof to know for sure.
> However I do beleive that when we create visual associations in our
> mind with oral information being received versus receiving visual
> and oral information spontaneaously at the same time, i beleive a
> different type of cognitive process is happening in a different part
> of the brain for case 1 and case 2.
> It seems that looking and watching things is a passive activity and
> needs not much conscious attention nor conscious memory. Yet
> imagining visual scenarios in our mind's eye,day dreaming, requires
> active thinking, creation and memory to continue thethread of the
> visual 'story'. It is much more personal, intimate and memory
> conscious.
> I will have to read up on Piaget's cognitive research with child
> hearing developpement and see what Allison Gornik has
> written on the topic. If anybody knows any specific cognitive
> developpement research based on hearing please let me know.
> I would like to add a comment about the real life / second life
> workshops i did with Wafa Bourkhis in April 2009 in
> Algeria...because it was an experience of visual creation and
> learning and oral communication through second life with Wafa who
> was located in Second life/Tunisia while we were located in Algeria
> at the art school and in second life.
>
> This was a very interesting experiment, because it was the first
> time that the art students of ecole des beaux arts learned to
> communicate on second life and navigated inside of it.
> My role was to introduce the project from real life and guide them
> to make a textural video and digital images around the idea
> of dolphins being chased away from their habitat on the edge of the
> italian coast and tunisian coast.
> Once they had created their visions with video and digital collages,
> they came onto second life platform to meet up with
> Wafa who guided them through the virtual world of second life to
> have their own avatar, their own clothing , navigate through
> theater platforms and free hair clothing platforms as well as places
> where you can buy things with virtual money and put up their art
> works in the platform space of 'the isle des marquis'.
> It was very interesting because at first I had to be an inbetween
> person, in the real world until they got completely in the virtual
> space where Wafa was with her avatar 'Aichi sunflower'. And they
> communicated much better with oral speech with Wafa then
> with typing on second life. When Wafa talked about the different
> platforms second life offers, she spoke through her avatar Aichi
> Sunflower and we had a big stereo amplifying her voice and a
> classroom projection of the second life platform where she was
> teaching.
> It seemed like a magical window opening up to another place, between
> Algeria and Tunisia.
> However, the technical problems of delay and noise made it a more
> distant communication.
> Another interesting experience was that the students became
> comfortable with the medium and soon were making 'friends ' with
> other avatars of other places , for example Dina made friends with
> avatars from America who were 'sunbathing' and 'tanning' in
> a second life location. I beleive that Dina had no trouble because
> she was well trained with oral communication more so then
> maybe somebody from Norway, Germany or France who comes from a less
> oraly operating society.
> She also noticed that it was a world which was very controlled by
> money and time.
> It is true that an avatar is judged alot on how well dressed one is
> or if one has snazzy complex avatar moves.
> Sometimes there are avatar people who will be open to teach and
> guide such as Wafa does.
> However , there are many avatar/people I noticed who will ignore you
> and type to each other, and no longer talk openly so that the
> 'introders cannot join in or hear'.
> Orality on second life is interesting. Because it is very
> controlled, and you are judged according to your belongings or group
> who you belong to.
> So I do not know if second life is a free platform for true
> expression because there is the digital divide which keeps many
> oralities from perpetuating on this modern platform.
> I remember also, wanting to sing with other musicians...but it was
> very difficult to find them...and when i met a lady called
> 'Roxelo' avatar she did not want to communicate in another language
> then italian.
> Of course these are problems which happen in real life also.
> But the problem with second life, is that the algerian artists of
> our workshops were not able to freely create their own platform,
> they could not just make 'street art'...they had to limit themselves
> to showing 2 art pieces per person and the video could not be big,
> so we limited it to 2 minutes.although we had an hour of footage and
> 15 minute montage.
> These are the limitations of technology and computer storage memory.
> Even today, many artists from the digital divide do not have their
> art work up on the internet.
> And also, the internet is still mostly an english dominated language
> communication tool.
> Although second life has oral options. Many avatars prefer to
> communicate through typing because they reveal less their
> emotions.
> Many people on second life want to have another identity so they do
> not want you to recognize anything personal of
> their true color tone.
> examples:
> A man who wants to disguise himself as woman.A French who wants to
> be latino indian.
> A Mexican who wants to be seen as an American business man. An
> elderly who wants to be a youthful /sexy avatar.
> These are all types of people who block orallity from shining
> through in Second life.
> Those are my 2 cents worth on the subject....What do you think?
>
>
>
>
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[Yasmin_discussions] about orality during the real life /second life workshop between Algeria(Myriam) and Tunisia(Wafa) this april 2009

It is very interesting to read your posts Roger reminding us of Piaget 's studies on child cognitive developpement and the research of Allison Gornik which I will have to read up upon. But it is true that sound and visual is interconnected and maybe working in the same places of the brain although there is no proof to know for sure.
However I do beleive that when we create visual associations in our mind with oral information being received versus receiving visual and oral information spontaneaously at the same time, i beleive a different type of cognitive process is happening in a different part of the brain for case 1 and case 2.
It seems that looking and watching things is a passive activity and needs not much conscious attention nor conscious memory. Yet imagining visual scenarios in our mind's eye,day dreaming, requires active thinking, creation and memory to continue thethread of the visual 'story'. It is much more personal, intimate and memory conscious.
I will have to read up on Piaget's cognitive research with child hearing developpement and see what Allison Gornik has
written on the topic. If anybody knows any specific cognitive developpement research based on hearing please let me know.
I would like to add a comment about the real life / second life workshops i did with Wafa Bourkhis in April 2009 in Algeria...because it was an experience of visual creation and learning and oral communication through second life with Wafa who was located in Second life/Tunisia while we were located in Algeria at the art school and in second life.

This was a very interesting experiment, because it was the first time that the art students of ecole des beaux arts learned to
communicate on second life and navigated inside of it.
My role was to introduce the project from real life and guide them to make a textural video and digital images around the idea
of dolphins being chased away from their habitat on the edge of the italian coast and tunisian coast.
Once they had created their visions with video and digital collages, they came onto second life platform to meet up with
Wafa who guided them through the virtual world of second life to have their own avatar, their own clothing , navigate through
theater platforms and free hair clothing platforms as well as places where you can buy things with virtual money and put up their art works in the platform space of 'the isle des marquis'.
It was very interesting because at first I had to be an inbetween person, in the real world until they got completely in the virtual space where Wafa was with her avatar 'Aichi sunflower'. And they communicated much better with oral speech with Wafa then
with typing on second life. When Wafa talked about the different platforms second life offers, she spoke through her avatar Aichi Sunflower and we had a big stereo amplifying her voice and a classroom projection of the second life platform where she was teaching.
It seemed like a magical window opening up to another place, between Algeria and Tunisia.
However, the technical problems of delay and noise made it a more distant communication.
Another interesting experience was that the students became comfortable with the medium and soon were making 'friends ' with other avatars of other places , for example Dina made friends with avatars from America who were 'sunbathing' and 'tanning' in
a second life location. I beleive that Dina had no trouble because she was well trained with oral communication more so then
maybe somebody from Norway, Germany or France who comes from a less oraly operating society.
She also noticed that it was a world which was very controlled by money and time.
It is true that an avatar is judged alot on how well dressed one is or if one has snazzy complex avatar moves.
Sometimes there are avatar people who will be open to teach and guide such as Wafa does.
However , there are many avatar/people I noticed who will ignore you and type to each other, and no longer talk openly so that the 'introders cannot join in or hear'.
Orality on second life is interesting. Because it is very controlled, and you are judged according to your belongings or group who you belong to.
So I do not know if second life is a free platform for true expression because there is the digital divide which keeps many
oralities from perpetuating on this modern platform.
I remember also, wanting to sing with other musicians...but it was very difficult to find them...and when i met a lady called
'Roxelo' avatar she did not want to communicate in another language then italian.
Of course these are problems which happen in real life also.
But the problem with second life, is that the algerian artists of our workshops were not able to freely create their own platform, they could not just make 'street art'...they had to limit themselves to showing 2 art pieces per person and the video could not be big, so we limited it to 2 minutes.although we had an hour of footage and 15 minute montage.
These are the limitations of technology and computer storage memory.
Even today, many artists from the digital divide do not have their art work up on the internet.
And also, the internet is still mostly an english dominated language communication tool.
Although second life has oral options. Many avatars prefer to communicate through typing because they reveal less their
emotions.
Many people on second life want to have another identity so they do not want you to recognize anything personal of
their true color tone.
examples:
A man who wants to disguise himself as woman.A French who wants to be latino indian.
A Mexican who wants to be seen as an American business man. An elderly who wants to be a youthful /sexy avatar.
These are all types of people who block orallity from shining through in Second life.
Those are my 2 cents worth on the subject....What do you think?

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Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Orality, Communication, and the affective impact of Virtuality

This is such a wonderful analysis of SL. I gave a lecture on SL last week to
staff and students, citing much of the work Pat is talking about. I wish Pat
had written this email a week or so earlier.

Simon

Simon Biggs

Research Professor
edinburgh college of art
s.biggs@eca.ac.uk
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Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments
CIRCLE research group
www.eca.ac.uk/circle/

simon@littlepig.org.uk
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AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk

From: "Lichty, Patrick" <plichty@colum.edu>
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:11:26 -0600
To: YASMIN DISCUSSIONS <yasmin_discussions@estia.media.uoa.gr>
Subject: [Yasmin_discussions] Orality, Communication, and the affective
impact of Virtuality

Hello, everyone...

I was asked to contribute on behalf of Wafa Bourkhis in response to her
workshop in Tunisia having to do with "noise ratio", or the effect of marine
noise on wildlife, especially cetaceans.

I've been asked several questions by Wafa for inclusion here:

1: Give a brief intro to Second Front.
2: Let us know what your participation in the Noise Ratio event was.
3: Does Second Life represent a new Oral culture
4: What do we call art made in virtual worlds? Is it new?
5: What is the beauty in Second Life? How does it relate to the
transmission of experience in traditional, or oral sense?

1: Second Front
We are (most likely) the oldest and largest ongoing performance art
collective in Second Life. We have had 7-9 members, and we range from San
Francisco to Milan, Italy. SF has a great cadre of established & emerging
artists, and whiel we began in a form of Dada theatre, we have embraced the
Cage/Kaprow/Hansen "Happening" model, while incorporating references to
contemporary performance artists like Gomez-Pena, Abramovic, Anderson, and
others.

So far, we have doen over 40 performances, 35 of which are unique, and we
have released our third DVD.

2: Noise Ratio
Wafa Asked us to collaborate in the symposium, where we decided to do a
piece we called "noise Ratio"
http://www.secondfront.org/blog/?p=161

We arrived with numerous dophins in tow, Second Front gamboling and
frolicking with them in the seas of the Mediterranean.
At one point, the subterranean noise caused the dolphins to go mad,
hemorrhage and die.
After the carnage, we were left to reflect on our feelings as a group.
Gazira Babeli, rampaged through the site with a wooden mallet, punishing all
that were complicit with the act; most of us merely took places to mourn the
dead.
Because the site was no carpeted in dead dolphins, we were forceably ejected
from the site.

We felt that the performance was highly successful in that in the beginning
it evoked the joy of the lives of our partners in the sea, but then the
severe affective reaction to the dead, eliciting out ejection.

3: In wondering about orality in Second Life, I refutrn to my thoughts on
the Internet as an oral culture. While much of the Net is relatively
stable, and the current net culture is merely a recapitulation of the
preexisting cultural pyramid (except in terms or power, which print on
demand circumvents), only a small amount of material is committed to the
"atomic" record of books and print. therefore Second Life, as a proprietary
platform in an ephemeral medium, is only preserved persistently by culture
in terms of writing, video, and less so in blogs. The average site in SL
(anecdotally) lasts perhaps 3=6 months. And because of the user-created
aspect of it, there is little static content, making it less stabel than the
larger Internet by far.

Therefore, I classify Second Life as a largely oral culture.

4: To call Second Life art anything specific is to conflate the container
with the content. there is virtual sculpture, interactive installation,
performance, spatial composition - all of which can be called "Virtual
Worlds Art" within the larger Genre of New Media and Emergent Practices. In
that I realize that curators, scholars and critics need mnemonics to quickly
work with genres, I woudl call is virtual worlds art that engages with a
given subject matter.

The importance of this classification is that it allows us to step aside
from the New Media classification and allow us to link art happening in
virtual worlds to contemporary art with the same criteria of rigor, craft,
criticality and affect of the physical work.

5: Beauty is a problem for me, being raised in Conceptualism and
Postmodernism. Beauty has been dealt severe blows by Duchamp by detaching
art from the retina, by Warhol in making beauty banal, and by Serrano and
Murakami in the ambivalence of horror and beauty. but perhaps this is an
artifact of our times.

Beauty, nevertheless, still resonates in the peeling away of paint in
Richter and Murakami's work, the affect of Tiravanija and July, and so on.
This can also translate to she screen, but environments like Second Life can
seem beautiful if we just allow ourselves to be seduced by the idealized
forms and the candy-colored light from the screen. My thought is that
perhaps if there is beauty, or I would prefer to call transcendentally
affective, I think that it comes from the relational nature of it and the
ability to realize forms with a theatricality unattainable in the physical
world. And we can congregate from across the world at the same time and
share it.

I realize there are access issues around the world, but neither do I feel
that this should disallow us from exploring these forms.

Thanks for your time, and I hope this is helpful.

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