Saturday, May 28, 2016

Re: [Yasmin_discussions] scathing review of Ryoji Ikeda's art project from CERN residency

Dear Roger,

A very interesting set of questions to arise at this point in time of intense mutual admiration between art and science and lack of responsible criticism in the arts and as science falls prey to conservative doubting, at least in States, and what I would argue is an over determination from technology sectors in education.

Perhaps it's not so much that artists should "understand" or take a deeply creative interest in mimicking science in their practices, but that both can learn different sets of questions and directions for research from each other and that deep critique both positive and negative is needed in both fields. We have enough problems to solve on this planet!

I had a chat with Erik Davis after a presentation he did about psychedelia in which he screened early CIA scientific experiments with LSD - controlled in a white office, with clock, with men in ties. If this is "objectivity" about the type of mystical experience possible on psilocybin then scientists have missed something crucial about aesthetics and sensual pleasure in affecting mind-alteration. He also talked about a recent study done at Johns Hopkins where it was determined that there was some kind of universally-had mystical experience. Presumably this more recent study used control environments more conducive to tripping than the CIA did in the sixties.

My point being that Science could gain important insights into how it is posing questions and proving its ideas from artists and artists would do well not to treat their own practices as if Art were for producing results that need to be proved--what has seemed a creeping concern in both criticism and practice and a peculiar (funding driven?) demand on artists in the last decade.

Molly Hankwitz, PhD
Independent scholar, curator, editor
Bivoulab "scientist"



> On May 27, 2016, at 1:13 PM, Malina, Roger <rxm116130@utdallas.edu> wrote:
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> Yasminers
>
> Here is a very very negative review of Ryoji's Ikeda's art installation resulting from his cern residency
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/jonathanjonesblog/2015/apr/23/art-respond-science-cern-ryoji-ikeda-supersymmetry
>
> Should art respond to science? On this evidence, the answer is simple: no way
> Japanese artist Ryoji Ikeda's installation Supersymmetry is inspired by his residency at Cern -
> but signifies little more than that physics is weird. Isn't it time we stopped expecting artists to understand the complexities of science?
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/jonathanjonesblog/2015/apr/23/art-respond-science-cern-ryoji-ikeda-supersymmetry
>
> this is very much along the lines of my colleague Jean Marc Levy=Lebond's book 'Science is not art' where he attacks
> much of the mystification of art science practice
>
> the review ends with:
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> Art<https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/art> and science, we feel, should have something to say to each other. But perhaps they speak different languages after all. I don't speak the language of science too
> well, either, but I do know one thing: it is concerned with the wonder of nature. There is a depressing lack of wonder in this technically sophisticated but intellectually and emotionally empty art.
>
> would be interested in Yasminer reactions= has anyone seen the work ?
>
> roger malina
>
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