My comment is not to say that Istanbul is not evolving still but rather that
the perception that it is backward and not forward thinking and moving.
Apologies for any confusion - this is a very big topic for discussion and
perhaps my short post falls very short of expressing the complexity of
issues that could/should be explored (in terms of the evolution of any
place/city).
Regards
Tracey
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:20 PM, c.tron@voila.fr <c.tron@voila.fr> wrote:
> Hello all,
> I must say that I don't understand very well.
> If you don't want to ear "still in development", do you mean that the
> development of istanbul has stopped ?
> I am from Marseille, and it is in France, and it is a poor city, and it is
> still in development because the city is still in tranformation, moving,
> changing its image.
> And it is not the same situation than Istanbul
> And if you read to the turkish Nobel price of litterature Orhan Pamuk, you
> can understand how Turkey has changed since the Ottoman empire, and how it
> has fall down during the XXth century.
> Now, for him, and I think in many points of view, it is better, and we have
> to distinguish the current economy from the hundreds of centuries of culture
> of a country.
> I hope everybody had time to visit the fabulous historical sites in
> Istambul, and you can see the great Ottoman empire, and even the magnificent
> byzantine culture
> And it continues to grow, to exchange, to invent, to develop, Isn't it ?
> Colette
>
>
>
> > Message du 28/09/11 à 13h49
> > De : "Elif Ayiter"
> > A : "YASMIN DISCUSSIONS" , "Cynthia Beth Rubin"
> > Copie à :
> > Objet : Re: [Yasmin_discussions] ISEA feedback
> >
> > Cynthia, a heartfelt thank you for your correction, to which I will
> > add a few words, if you will allow me:
> >
> > Contrary to popular belief, what you call "newly engaging more
> > conversation with Western Europe/North America...", and what I
> > personally prefer to call the process of democratization and
> > secularization of the Ottoman Empire, did not start a decade ago or
> > indeed materialize overnight in 1923 with the founding of the Turkish
> > Republic, but has its origins in the first half of the 19th century,
> > starting with Sultan Mecid and his extensive legal and social reforms,
> > for which you can see the wikipedia entry here:
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanzimat
> >
> > As for this city "still in development": Here, an estimated 3 million
> > people spend weekend nights in an area which is after all only a few
> > square miles wide. You have all been there, you have witnessed it with
> > your own eyes. Huge, indeed overwhelming crowds, and yet hardly ever a
> > fight, a brawl, an incident... And this despite some serious alcohol
> > consumption, I might add!
> >
> > In this city "still in development", instead of collecting them in
> > shelters and then heartlessly putting them down, the city
> > administration provides healthcare for its thousands of "city dogs"
> > which are taken care of, fed and sheltered by shop keepers and market
> > vendors throughout the city. Needless to even say, quite a big budget
> > is set aside in this city "still in development" for this task, since
> > the city provided animal healthcare includes a yearly booster shot for
> > rabies, which is checked through an RFID system implemented through
> > ear tags, with appended mobile veterinary teams etc...
> >
> > ;-)
> > elif
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue 27 Sep 2011 16:40:52 EEST, Cynthia Beth Rubin wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Colette and All
> > >
> > > I have been part of a few discussions on ISEA2011 on other lists,
> > > and it is refreshing to read Colette's positive summary. It makes me
> > > wish that I had chosen what to attend more carefully - and i look
> > > forward to seeing more about these panels on line. So much to do in
> > > so many days - and the compression led to a certain overload at
> > > times, that I believe that some of the best discussions to come may
> > > take place in the post-isea blogosphere. I plan to create blog for
> > > the panel that i chaired, and which ended up being far too
> > > compressed for the open discussion that that we now envision. (an
> > > aside - we had a free google site for the panel that we had planned
> > > to make live after ISE but I discovered that google sites are
> > > blocked in Turkey, although most smart Turkish people get around
> > > this by putting in an IP address that is from another country)
> > >
> > > A small correction to your thoughtful post. Turkey is not "still in
> > > development" - it is rather newly engaging more conversation with
> > > Western Europe/North America. (by new I mean last decade, not just
> > > this year). Turkish culture is quite developed, and has been for
> > > centuries. I was surprised to find ISEA goers who did not
> > > know/remember that less than 100 years ago Istanbul was the center
> > > of a great Empire with influence that extended throughout Eastern
> > > Asia and the Middle East, and into Europe. Several Turkish artists
> > > that I spoke with found it distressing that those coming from the
> > > countries that are now in power think of Turkey as under-developed.
> > >
> > > best wishes,
> > > Cynthia
> > >
> > > Cynthia Beth Rubin
> > > http://CBRubin.net
> > >
> > > =========
> > >
> > > Hi everybody,
> > > I have participed to ISEA for the 3rd time (Nagoya, Singapore,
> > > Istanbul), and it is still a big event in many ways and not only in
> > > quantity but in the quality of programm and discussions. It is an
> > > amazing brainstorming where people from so many countries can
> > > exchange about so many medias and practices, and in addition get
> > > some thinking, theories, and perspectives about electronic and
> > > digital tools and culture.
> > > Some little things that I can say :
> > > - it was so important to cross electronic art (ISEA) and
> > > contemporary art (Istanbul biennal) in a place, it means in a city,
> > > and a city as Istanbul , that is still in development, and at the
> > > junction of Europe and Asia... Now we have to know where can be the
> > > junctions between these practices : are they so different, are they
> > > in the same fields, are they in different economies, how to think
> > > their environment, technics, modes of production and diffusion ? We
> > > can see that the exhibitions for the practices and conferences for
> > > the theory are still the way to present them. In which kind of
> > > public area, in which modes of knowledge and culture can we share
> > > our experiments and creation, thinking and theory ? Can it be a way
> > > to explore the future of isea ? Can it be a way to invent some new
> > > tools, new objects (as things), new spaces ? For example, I was very
> > > interested by the experimentation by the Collectif Nunc
> > > www.nunc.com to explore the rôle of the catalogue as a way of
> > > knowledge, and creation ; and it is only one example
> > >
> > > - I was very interesseted too by the Mediterranean forum on digital
> > > culture, and the links with the arabic revolution. It was such
> > > appropriate to speak about that in an other mediterranean country,
> > > and to learn about how people used the digital and global media in
> > > one part of the world, that could be seen as a local revolution, but
> > > concerning the total humanity. And also it would be great to follow
> > > the discussion, cause : the revolution is going on and needs to be
> > > thinked to be realized, and new models seem to be necessary to
> > > invent. But, in that way, it is not only a local problem, but a
> > > global, if we think to the difficulties that each country can have
> > > with the economic crise. New medias could help to these non
> > > institutionnal exchanges. And help to find ways to invent a virtual
> > > global public space
> > >
> > >
> > > At the end I want to think all the people that organized this ISEA,
> > > and above all to think Baruch Gotlieb who was my panel chair about
> > > The persistence of hardware. I think we have open the beginning of a
> > > discussion about the electronic and digital environment that
> > > concern material, energy, production, economy, culture… that it
> > > would be important to follow and to developp cause it is a very
> > > crucial question in the use of these technology and its
> > > consequences, that is not so immaterial…
> > >
> > > Regards to all
> > > Colette Tron
> > > Marseille, France
> > > www.alphabetville.org
> > >
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