Tuesday, July 10, 2012

Re: [Yasmin_discussions] How to enable collaboration between science/engineering and art and design


a) we need to re invent professional organisations in the networked
> world= maybe we need networks of networks rather than new
> organisations. Professional societies are an invention of the
> nineteenth century ( taking over from guilds etc).What is a twenty
> first century model of how emerging communities of practice can
> link to each other and be mutually supportive.

I also belive that we need first local networks and then global and, if
possible, finally, a networks of networks that could help to visualize,
connect and inspire all of them. Or it could be done the other way around
of course. For some reasons some countries like Spain don't have local
networks even though there is enough amount of people interested in the
"field". Many other countrys face the same problem. This kind of networks
are quite strategic as they make possible "dialogue" with all different
types of agents involved in development of AST directly or indirectly in
that area. Global networks don't work that well for that. But they do help
in many other aspects. A network of networks, sensible to all local aspects
(languages etc.), would be needed as well to reinforce all ecosystem,

I think we will need to start with a long list of all networks related that
would feel close or part of the "AST o SEAD community". I don't know if
someone has done it already. The list available in Wilson's web was the
most complete for me in a long time. But maybe you are aware of any

b) the science/engineering to arts/design/humanities covers a vast
> territory= and in fact in many cases dont share the same "culture
> of practice" ( we see the disintegration under way in new media arts
> because new media is not a conceptually clear category)

I said " that would feel close or part of the AST o SEAD" because as you
say It's complicated to limit the scope of what should be in or not with
such a diverse range of disciplines. So It is hard to define or limit, but
people/networks tend to identify or not with the community of SEAD as a
"feeling", people that "feel" they belong to that.

It's quite unclear but I believe should be seen as what ancient greeks
named as "daemon", spiritual inspiration or creative thougth around it. I
agree that terms like "new media" or "new media arts" have been transformed
and extended soooooo much in order to fit in a wide range of practices and
theories that tend to break down in pieces with such an inflation.

> In the book by allen repko on interdisciplinary theory and practice
> one of the things he does is discuss how different kinds of scientists
> have different cultures
> eg observational sciences like astronomy
> vs experimental sciences like chemistry
> vs field sciences like ecology
> vs mathematical sciences like complex networks
> they are all sciences but in fact the scientists have different practices.
> does it make sense to combine them all or should we create
> translation methods between culturs of practice ?
> in arts and humanities we also find similar variations on how
> the discipline deals with information about the world
> and intervening in the world= time based arts differ
> from architecture etc

You mean creating "bridges"? I believe, as Loius Bec says, that art itself
is a rare transformational agent that would do that function.

Those other "methodological" or "epistemological" bridges are really hard
to imagine as a universal set of tools. But of course there are
"practice-based-theories" that migth prove better bridges than others. This
would lead into another deep philosophical debate....(that I also enjoy a
lot, but migth be a whole new focus of discussion)

You migth not agree with Edgar O. Wilson's concept of consilience as it has
proved to be reductionist, and at the end not taking seriously all fields
of knowledge equally. But do you think that something not just theoretical
could came out from what Stephen Jay Gould says about "conscilience of
equal attention"? Are there already methodology or epistemology tools
coming out from that? Some techniques or strategies for "jumping together"
as Gould says?

Just wondering...

> Anway i know that the FECYT report and the process that led to
> it was very useful in spain= as are other efforts internationally
> for instance in the USA the mellon foundation has just funded a major
> project to promote integrating arts practice into the research university
> http://artsengine.umich.edu/
> ArtsEngine National has been awarded a $500,000, 3.5 year grant from
> the Andrew W. Mellon
> Foundation to create the first comprehensive guide to best practices
> in the integration of arts
> practice in U.S. research universities. To be published in Fall 2015,
> the guide is to identify models,
> obstacles, implementation strategies, costs, and impact on students
> and faculty as well as on
> research, practice, and teaching in other knowledge areas.
> With this award, the Mellon Foundation has enabled the national
> network to make major progress
> toward our mission of integrating arts practice into the research
> university.
> This activity of course is a heads on collision between the "studio
> based" artists practice
> versus the research model for the arts ( and all the debate on to PhD
> or not to PhD )

As you already know In Europe there is the Studiolabs innitaitive
http://www.studiolabproject.eu/ that migth work quite in the same way, am i

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